K-girls

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sunnyday1 171 Reviews 2370 reads
posted
1 / 50

See my most recent review of Grace. I rated her a 10 in performance and she deserves it. I even mentioned BBBJ. The approver changed it to an 8.

Does anyone know what the hell is going on here???!?!??!

WHAT THE HELL

36363jensen 4 Reviews 107 reads
posted
2 / 50

then 8 would be the max. Have you read the review guidelines?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 168 reads
posted
3 / 50

The basic score for sex is a maximum of 7.  If you received DFK and BBBJ, each increases the max store by one point.  You only mentioned BBBJ, not DFK, so your max for Grace is an 8.   All reviews are moderated to make sure the content supports the score.  If you had added DFK, they would have changed it to a 9.

 
To get to a 10, you must have received anal service, been in a double with two providers, or a gang bang with at least one other man and the provider.  Any of these three will get you to a maximum score of 10 PROVIDING you also received BBBJ and DFK during the session.  Otherwise, without the BBBJ and DFK, anal would only get you to a max of 8.

useyrhead 4 Reviews 122 reads
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4 / 50

You can try what I did in my last review for Ellie (TER #347769) at LSC.

 
I like to break my reviews down to a face, body, service and attitude score. So I started adding that to the end of the review. In my opinion, this increases the usefulness of a review significantly. Though I’ll be the first to admit that I write far fewer reviews now than I did in the past (and the vast majority of those were on other sites). I’ve been using the FBSA scores in my reviews for quite a while.

 
Still, you should do whatever you think best.  

-- Modified on 10/13/2020 11:15:33 AM

-- Modified on 10/13/2020 11:49:37 AM

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 99 reads
posted
5 / 50

Which I wouldn't mind if a) moderators were transparent about changes they made to your review (why can't they not approve it in the first place and tell you what needs to be addressed rather than changing it after approval?) and b) other approved reviews weren't 10s.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 80 reads
posted
6 / 50

you where you have to click at the bottom that you "agree" explains the scoring rules BEFORE you go to the review template.  If you click you agree, they have a right to assume you read it.  Its a contract between you and TER.  Do you normally sign contracts without reading them?  They are going to assume no one does.  If you didn't follow the scoring rules, they will make the score comply with the content of your review.  If you got DFK and failed to put it in the review, that's on YOU, not them, and hurts the girl accordingly by lowering her average.  For guys that think a 6 is "above average", its a moot point. If the problem is your ad link, they will give it back to you for correction, and it will stay on your review list in edit format until you either supply a good link or die of old age.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 149 reads
posted
7 / 50

you are given a page with the Guidelines for submitting reviews. In that page, which you apparently just clicked through, you will find Section 8:

"In order to keep our overall performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she performs one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are performed, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum. Remember, it’s your review; within these guidelines you still get to decide what her score should be. You do not have to give her the ‘extra point’."

 
So I think the admins think you SHOULD have actually read the guidelines before submitting the review and if you did but didn't get it that explaining it to you again would waste their time. Easier to just fix it and post it for others to use. Of course they could just reject it and tell you to RTFM.

 
Based on your posting history you might be pretty new (July 2020) but given your participation one might think you've bothered to read the Instruction Manual on the Newbie Board by now. If not, take a look. I was just looking the the other day at various things and surprising just how much good information is there. No need to reinvent wheels or rehash well beaten dead horses.

-- Modified on 10/13/2020 5:44:59 PM

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 152 reads
posted
8 / 50

I understand the guidelines, but I assume there are those who don't, in which case, they'd be better served by being informed about any changes that need to be made pre-approval, redundant as they may be. Thinking your scoring range is from 1 to 8 would surely change your scoring as compared to thinking it's from 1 to 10. This aside, I think it more worrying that scores might be changed after approval. I could be missing it, but I didn't see that mentioned in the guidelines. Some of my reviews have been approved within the hour so surely the mods have time to mention issues that need to be addressed before approval.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 119 reads
posted
9 / 50

you submit a review that fully follows the rules.  The narrative content must match the score.  If it doesn't they will correct YOUR mistake.  I have not had any of mine corrected.  I read the rules BEFFORE submitting reviews here because I had written 400+ reviews on another site before TER and I correctly assumed the rules would be different.  There is a suggestion board if you want to suggestions to TER about changing their rules or policies.  

"Changing your way of thinking" would not change the score.  The max score is determined by the content in the narrative.  Change the narrative, and the max score will go up or down accordingly.  In order to avoid obvious manipulation, where guys want to shill for their favorite girls, you get one shot to get the content right.  Can you imagine that if  someone put up a review that is a 9-8, and then takes it back and adds to the content and resubmits it as a 9-9?   How unreliable does that makes the reviewer?  Who's going to believe he "forgot" that he got a BBBJ when it wasn't in the original review he submitted?  That's why its incumbent on us reviewers to make sure we have it right  before hitting submit.  You can still edit it anytime before its approved, so if you didn't proofread it before you hit "submit", you still have some time to edit.  You just don't know how long.  The time frame depends on the volume of reviews that day.  I rarely submit a review before 3:00p, so mine are usually approved overnight.  

36363jensen 4 Reviews 86 reads
posted
10 / 50

First, lets level set on what the rules are. You start with a MAX score of 7 (the same as the max for the MP girls). From there, if certain acts are included you may add 1 additional point for each of the act, up to a maximum of 10 IF you think the additional acts merit the bump (most do).

 
You seem to have wanted to give the girl a 10 not knowing the grading system. That would mean you want to give her a 7. Then TER added the point for BBBJ. That would be the same as your 10 -- the top allowed score.

 
What adjustment would you be making if you had known going in that the session you are reviewing had a range of 1 - 8 rather than 1 - 10?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 91 reads
posted
11 / 50

he either 1) made an honest mistake and forgot he did something with the girl that would have been worth another point, or 2) he would have added false content to increase her score artificially.  The fact that TER already stepped in saves him from himself in case he was even considering number 2, and he therefore retains both his personal integrity and review credibility, whether that was his ultimate intention or not.   Lol

sunnyday1 171 Reviews 106 reads
posted
12 / 50

hey jenses, yep, you're right, I see I failed to mention DFK, oh well. Lesson learned!

And CDL, that is hilarious.

team_rocket_qwerty 112 reads
posted
13 / 50

I had this happen to me when I first start reviewing girls here. My answer is if I knew that 10 will be the highest I would grade some girls lower than 8.

 
Meaning, 8 out of possible 9 looks a lot closer to top grade than 8 out of 10.

If 9 is the highest score of service unless anal or menage, then only top girls get 9s. Ie whole scale gets bumped down.

Maybe that's not what ya'll talking about,idk.

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 106 reads
posted
14 / 50

This is what I was referring to. Don't know how much it actually happens though.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 105 reads
posted
15 / 50

ydk

 
It is not nearly as complicated as you want to make this. You want to lump the whole scoring into a single range. That is not how the scoring system here really works -- this is completely separate from how anyone actually does their reviews.

 
ALL reviews start with a max of 7. You can increase that based on specific acts performed, limited to a total of 3 additional points. Everything above 7 is related to the specific additional acts performed not to the general performance of the session.  

 
The problem is thinking anything really needs to scale down if a girl does not perform at least 3 of the additional acts to be eligible for a 10. Set the base evaluation on the 1-7 scale and then add as you think is appropriate. Clearly if someone thinks the girl is a top performer but only performed DFK and BBBJ then 9 is what is given -- the 7 + 2.  If someone didn't think she was a top performer for some reason and gave an 8 it could be that a 6 was given but full points for the DFK and BBBJ. Alternatively, it could be they thought the general level of performance was a 7 but that one of the two additional acts did not merit a point -- or that both were lacking something but together was worth given 1 point. To get any idea about that you have to read the details -- which is one of the reasons why making a big deal about the numbers is so stupid.

team_rocket_qwerty 97 reads
posted
16 / 50

I merely was talking about my reviews and how not knowing the range impacted my few initial reviews. Then, I obviously adjusted.  

 

I don't really think what I said was very complicated (scale range) ,but to each his own.

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 72 reads
posted
17 / 50

People actually read the guidelines before posting, which they may not be bothered to do, just want VIP credit, etc. If they don't their max score is a 10.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 107 reads
posted
18 / 50

Not at all.

 
It is a given that some don't. Both rocket and the the OP were clear examples of that. So are some others.  

 
But if they are NOT going to pay attention to a page that is CLEARLY labeled for them to see and they just ignore it than they really have no basis for whining about rejected reviews or reduces scores.  As the OP here did, the smarter one's acknowledge their error and learn rather than trying to argue how it should be different because they did things differently on some other board.

 
Last, if all the reviewer is doing is reviewing for the 15 day VIP they they probably could care less if their score is changed as long as they get the 15 days -- and in general will be adding a review that is probably lower quality than those that review for other reasons. So they don't really seem to be the audience for this discussion. I also suspect that those reviewer are probably actually paying a bit more attention as they really do want some tangible benefit in return.

 
But I do agree, if you are clueless about the rules and writing a review you are very, very likely to do it incorrectly and have the admins reject it or change it.

 
Maybe TER should put a "I have read and understand" check box attesting to the guidelines and anyone that clicks it and then still submits a review that obviously violates any of the rules is banned from submitting reviews for 90 days.

impposter 49 Reviews 102 reads
posted
19 / 50

Be sure to search Newbie, General, Suggestion & Policy, and now K-Girl for "X-out-of-Y" scoring.  Basically, 7-out-of-7 is a top score. I have had some FANTASTIC 7-out-of-7s and 8-out-of-8s. 7-out-of-10 is meh.  
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And now back to our regularly scheduled posting ...

Posted By: 36363jensen
"In order to keep our overall performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she performs one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are performed, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum. Remember, it’s your review; within these guidelines you still get to decide what her score should be. You do not have to give her the ‘extra point’."

team_rocket_qwerty 99 reads
posted
20 / 50

I did read the guidelines. However, I never thought they'd be enforced AFTER the review was submitted. Meaning, I thought this is how you're supposed to grade, but you still can assign grades. Or you would limited by the system inside the review, ie you don't check 'anal', it would then not allow you to submit a review with 10 as a grade.  

 

Nowhere did it say that if you put a grade higher than allowed, TER reviewers will bump it down themselves and edit then. I haven't been on any site that ever did this.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 134 reads
posted
21 / 50

A provider merely had to have anal listed on her menu, and you could give her a 10, so a lot of the indies were scamming the system by saying its available  on a YMMV basis, but then, 50 reviews later, not a single reviewer claims to have actually received anal.  Meanwhile, some of these girls had 10-10's for most of their review scores.  About 3 years ago, TER changed the requirements so that you score is based on what services you actually received during the session, not what she claimed  was "available."  This is when the mods started correcting review scores when the content did not line up with the scores given by the reviewer.  

36363jensen 4 Reviews 146 reads
posted
22 / 50

You're working on the MAMAPOTY award pretty hard.

GaGambler 121 reads
posted
23 / 50

I am also thinking that Jensen's MAMA award may be getting some legs to it with a clear frontrunner to boot.

 
There are literally hundreds of threads dealing with TER's scoring system from both providers and mongers alike who HATE the rules, but they are the rules.

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 103 reads
posted
24 / 50

I'm surprised most people seem to be alright with TER changing scores after, rather than before, approval. I would think that would defeat the purpose of approval.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 144 reads
posted
25 / 50

None of us know when the review is approved but I suspect it is only approved AFTER the invalid score is reduced to the maximum allowed based on the information provided by the reviewer.

 
Just how often do you really think someone trying to give a 10, 9 or 8 that did not document the necessary activities for that score is then going to give something other than the  score the admin changes to in order to allow the review? My guess is ZERO.  

 
For example, guy loves the session and wants to give a 10 but only can document DFK and BBBJ. TER admin rejects the review and tells the guy you only listed two acts that make possible scores greater than 7. Max is 9. Who is going to say "Oh. Well on a scale of 1 - 9 I would have to give an 8" rather than the 9 the Admin would have given and then published the review?

 
Perhaps more importantly, some, and perhaps many, of those that don't read the rules but want to give the 10, if told would simply say -- "Crap, I forgot all about those other 10 guys in the room she was so good. So now we're good with the 10, right?"

team_rocket_qwerty 144 reads
posted
26 / 50

Dude, yes, I figured it out months ago. I'm not saying fuck the rules. I merely stated my opinion. And also offering some solution, such as user input validation pre review submission that forces you to lower your grade.  

 

I stated how I also felt the same way here WHEN I was starting out and agreed with "they'd be better served by being informed about any changes that need to be made pre-approval, redundant as they may be. Thinking your scoring range is from 1 to 8 would surely change your scoring as compared to thinking it's from 1 to 10".  

 
Jensen asked  

"What adjustment would you be making if you had known going in that the session you are reviewing had a range of 1 - 8 rather than 1 - 10?"  I answered him there, again my opinion-wise.  

This is what Floorhump was talking about and he even said as much after I posted my post,agreeing with me.  

 
Then Jensen accused me of not reading the guidelines. I said I did read them, but to me it the lack of indication that the review is going to be changed after submission,is an issue. The assumption that I didn't read the guidelines back then is wrong.  

 
Seriously, dude. Do you even read my posts?

team_rocket_qwerty 110 reads
posted
27 / 50

I read the guidelines, and then tried out if I could give 10 and it let me. With no input validation I figured the guidelines were not enforced, and it was a surprise to me when they were, indeed, enforced and not just you know, guidelines.  

 
Was I wrong for expecting to bypass the guidelines? Yes, I guess I was. I also got pissed because I didn't know that they were enforced. And that was my fault too.  

 

But I think a system that prevents you from submitting a review with a performance score of 10 if you don't check off Greek or threesome, would be better. The editing of reviews AFTER submission is counter-intuitive to me.  

 
Just my two cents

useyrhead 4 Reviews 146 reads
posted
28 / 50

I remember you doing the same.

-- Modified on 10/17/2020 1:13:42 PM

36363jensen 4 Reviews 106 reads
posted
29 / 50

I clearly asked you to confirm what you were clearly indicating: That you read the guidelines and then submitted a review knowing that you were not following them. Your answer appears to be Yes, "I read them and then ignored them." So it doesn't seem to be me that is accusing you of anything, merely pointing out what you have now said at least twice.

 
You now say that you did that as some form of QA test but that was NOT what you said initially or how you were reacting when you posted about not getting to give the 10 you wanted to give to your ATF.  

 
TER has clearly chosen to enforce its rules based on human review rather than some automated (and potentially imperfect programmatic approach). I get you're a coder so if you want to make a big deal out this the appropriate forum would be the Suggestions & Policy board. However, given the current review system design I don't think the change would be either trivial or cheap.

useyrhead 4 Reviews 94 reads
posted
30 / 50

It was pretty funny having the most notorious and blatant misreader on TER say “”Seriously, dude. Do you even read my posts?”

 
I’m still laughing.

GaGambler 104 reads
posted
31 / 50

We can just call it the RocketBoy award.  

 
I have never seen anyone as intentionally obtuse on this board before. Only Inicky who doesn't post on this board could hold a candle to RocketBoy where it comes to insisting that he didn't say things that are CLEARLY there for all to see.

team_rocket_qwerty 105 reads
posted
32 / 50

Let me clarify - in this thread, you clearly said that I did not read the guidelines. You accused me of not reading them.

 
Yes, what you say NOW is correct - I read the guidelines, then saw that I could grade my ATF a 10,  I did not think they're enforced. I also saw that others were grading some girls as 10s and figured they are doing the same thing. I was wrong.

Guidelines also state that 5 is an average score, not 8. But clearly people don't follow the guidelines for the scores here. So some parts of the guidelines are not enforced and it is not clear which parts are enforced. Hence me getting pissed about me grading my ATF with a 10, then the edit later. I've been writing reviews for many sites for many products for years, and I can't recall a single website doing the edit later. This is what caught me very offguard.

 
GaG then kindly explained the rules and their enforcements to me.

team_rocket_qwerty 120 reads
posted
33 / 50

One thing that I will say is that I always try to give out a score in the body of the review. This way, if a monger does read my review, he can clearly see what my grade was even if its not a 8 9 or 10 by TER scoring.  

This is one way of indicating a grade that is outside of TERs grade definition. I think that's about as far as we can go without changing how the review process works. So far, no one edited my ratings in the body of my reviews. My ATF still has 11 in attitude, in my review.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 107 reads
posted
34 / 50

I stand corrected. I gave you the benefit of the doubt however many posts before my post you responded to. My bad.

GaGambler 128 reads
posted
35 / 50

I have quit being so fucking kind in recent weeks as nothing I try to teach you seems to stick.

 
As for "when" the scores are changed by admin, they are changed as "part of" the approval process. IOW you give a 9 for performance but fail to mention where she provided DFK, Anal, BBBJ or a gangbang/threesome, so when your review is approved for all to read, the score has already been changed to a 7.

team_rocket_qwerty 137 reads
posted
36 / 50

Exactly. You did explain it months ago, kindly. And after you had, I never had any issues with it. I was expanding on how it appeared to me before you have explained it, and that it was unclear which guidelines were being enforced and when.

GaGambler 136 reads
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37 / 50

I only went halfway up the page of this thread before making my post, when I went all the way up the page YES you did say that it was unclear to you "before" I explained it to you, so my bad.

 
The bad news is that this will cost you several MAMA award points, lol.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 91 reads
posted
38 / 50

with the review is that you added up the score wrong, they have no reason to hold off approval if they correct the erroneous score.  If you don't have a qualifying ad link, then they will return it to you unapproved to allow you to correct the link.  That is a research issue, not a math calculation, so they are not equipped to go find the girl and post the correct ad link.  Likewise, if you give juicy details in the general section, you will get it back for editing.  

 
This really isn't complicated.  I don't know why you find this so concerning.  Either you put enough info in the Juicy Details to support the score you assigned, or you didn't.  If you didn't and you COULD have, that's on you. Reviews should always be proof-read, not only for content, but for compliance with the rules, before they are submitted. Why should TER have any responsibility for mistakes a review makes?  

Black-Panther 94 reads
posted
39 / 50

I think it odd that they changed his score or posted a different score. When my scoring is 'off' they will reject the review and give me the opportunity to revise it. The vast majority of the time my score is higher than the services offered in my review. Many of those times TER isn't reading my whole post and its buried in the review. Just like college days, so I list them separately from the review looks and services part of your review in a separate line to avoid the dreaded "review rejected". So, three separate sections

 
Section Looks: "Stacy was a hot spinner, great body, blah blah blah. Body was great, big tits,  

 
TER POINTS: LFK/DFK, BBBJ, Rimming (which will get her to a 10).  

 
Services: She sucked dick like a vacuum cleaner, rode me cowggirl like a fucking bucking bronco, I came 34 times in a na hour.

 

So, I have to disagree with others about scoring.  Usually, in my experience, TER Admin will reject the review and send it back to you for revision for the higher score if they don't see the services offered for the higher score.-  not revise the score and post.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 89 reads
posted
40 / 50

You've certainly been around long enough to know I think. However based on your comment you STILL don't know the requirements.

 
"unless she performs one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are performed, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum."

 
What you wrote is at best going to get a 9. Rimming doesn't get any points. Perhaps they just gave up on you and decided not to help you out so reject to hope you learn some day. LOL

 
I've seen both --  fix and publish with a note saying the score was reduces and rejected back to me when I first started reviewing. Once each but I forget the order.

cks175 51 Reviews 121 reads
posted
41 / 50

Posted By: sunnyday1

 Does anyone know what the hell is going on here???!?!??!  
   
 WHAT THE HELL
You submitted a review score that didn’t match TER requirements and they bumped it down to a score that met the requirements of the TER posting system.

You’re not the only one though.  It seems from the comments above that there at least a few more commenters who are having trouble understanding a relatively straightforward system.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 127 reads
posted
42 / 50

about three years ago.  I explained the reason for the change in another post on this thread.  I know you're been here awhile, but maybe you were not aware of the changes about the time of the switch to the beta version.

luvmtiter 111 Reviews 102 reads
posted
43 / 50

Personally, I'm glad to see this being done. Too many mongers are afraid of what might "happen" to them if they don't post a perfect score. As if the orgs have the capability to connect a TER handle to their phone number.

What happened over the last year or so at EM was ridiculous; 98% of the reviews were 5 starts, regardless if there was a disappointment. The reviews there became completely worthless unless you knew the poster and trusted him. it's like nobody wanted to be the one to rate a girl a 6 or 7, when she earned it.

impposter 49 Reviews 104 reads
posted
44 / 50

Posted By: luvmtiter
it's like nobody wanted to be the one to rate a girl a 6 or 7, when she earned it.
A fantastic 7-out-of-7 can be whole lot better than a ho-hum 8-out-of-10.
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Yes, I said, "Ho hum."

-- Modified on 10/19/2020 6:09:57 AM

Black-Panther 103 reads
posted
45 / 50

Jensen, well dammit you are right. My old age and senility are kicking-in. That is my story and I'm sticking to it. My 10 scores on performance are older than 3 years old. Also, thinking I'm confusing looks with performance scores. I haven't given out a 10 performance for a while (more than 3 years).

Black-Panther 131 reads
posted
46 / 50

Yeah, I have no idea, I rarely remember these things and rules are guidelines in my world. :).   You are correct, CDL. I did some digging in my reviews and you and Jensen are correct. Anyway, I pretty much get the 'revise your review and we'll adjust the score' memo a lot. (or used to) So, in general, try to lay it out for TER if I'm giving a higher score so it doesn't come back with the dreaded rejection letter. I just haven't experienced the adjusted score by TER Admin happen to me.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 91 reads
posted
47 / 50

I suspect most of us are in that age boat with you.

I don't think I've every given a 10 in performance -- maybe once, and perhaps one or two for looks. I do try to keep those for that "once in a life time" (which of course is not a factual description) cases.  I always have to laugh when I see some reviewer with 10 or 20 reviews all with 10s. But perhaps they are the lucky ones (or perhaps just "blissful" if you follow ;-)

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 103 reads
posted
48 / 50

to me, but I was just lucky because I didn't try to give any 10's after the change until someone PM'd me about a score change in their review. Every girl I see gives DFK and BBBJ, so they are eligible for a max of 9.  I don't do doubles anymore because Kgirls are not "Bi" enough, and I only do anal with Thai girls who I see when I'm traveling oversees to Europe or China.  

Black-Panther 106 reads
posted
49 / 50

I never really thought about it, When I'm in Europe I never see K-girls or Asian girls for that matter. I guess since I'm in Europe I like the Dutch/German girls or Eastern Bloc girls. Although, the Russians and Eastern girls are a bit 'cold'. Best set of tits I've ever experienced were on a Persian. They were naturally massive, DDs, and firm torpedoes that stood up on their own. I still think about her. Chinese girls are fun, I enjoy them. I've been thinking of moving to Thailand. Dirt cheap and you can live like a King. Its just that Thai girls don't do it for me, I'm thinking its the short legs.  :)

36363jensen 4 Reviews 104 reads
posted
50 / 50

And, I suspect like in the Philippines, a number of non-Asian women tour there as part of a working vacation to enjoy the beaches and low costs for very nice accommodations.

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