K-girls

I was imprecise in my description.....
CaptainRenault 2186 reads
posted
1 / 31

So, I've been seeing KGirls for a long time.  Dozens and dozens and dozens of them. Sometimes write reviews, mostly don't, these days....

But I've seen a lot of them, I'm pre-approved with most bookers , rarely get asked for references....

Today I tried to book an LA gal from that site we cannot name.  Seen her ad a lot, figured, why not toftt.  

So I text.  So the booker asks for references.  Odd, but not unreasonable. I give two recent references. Booker says, ok, and texts me a very well-known WLA trick pad.  I say, sure, know it well.  Then the booker says, ok, but pay up front, please.  I get a little put off, but say, sure.  Then, feeling a slight tingling of my Spidey sense, I ask for providers ter id, but booker says he doesn't know it. Hmm....  ok, I ask if she has reviews.  He says, yes, under name in ad on website whose name cannot be named.  I check...no reviews under that name.  I use the phone number, and see it lists to other girls on 'that' site....  I say, to myself, 'me no likey,' and cancel....  

What say you oh gurus de KGirls...?  Did I overreact?

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GaGambler 693 reads
posted
2 / 31

I doubt that even matters, I can't imagine this being legit. I am almost positive you did the right thing. Obviously once you have confirmed this was an attempted rip off you need to name names to protect your brothers.

CaptainRenault 697 reads
posted
3 / 31

Booker did not ask me to make payment before I arrived, but when I arrived, before the session began.  I have NEVER been asked that in over 100 KGirl sessions......

But did not mean to mislead, and obviously your misunderstanding based on my imprecision warrants a re-evaluation by the gentleman from GA....

Mea culpa....

CR

souls_harbor 435 reads
posted
6 / 31

I thought it was standard practice to pay up front -- discreetly, of course

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 456 reads
posted
7 / 31
omfgitzjin 136 Reviews 500 reads
posted
8 / 31

banged hundreds of kgirls in LA and SF. ive only been asked to pay upfront maybe about 6 times in my 10 years of mongering. and that was asked WHEN i arrived. never was asked from the booker. if your spidey senses are tingling. dont do it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 426 reads
posted
9 / 31

is for you.  One look when you get there, and they're afraid you won't survive the hour, so they want their money up front.  Don't blame them.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 388 reads
posted
10 / 31

you get there and something SMELLS fishy.

GaGambler 570 reads
posted
12 / 31

but you are not a newb, and I doubt you "freak out" easily. If you felt something was off, you owe it to yourself to listen to that "little voice" in your head. I am not about to second guess your actions even if it turns out they are 100% legit.

It does sound like a new booker, with lousy customer service skills, but you never now.....

You can always wait a couple of weeks, see if they get some new reviews to put your mind at ease and then take another shot with them. OTOH if you had taken a chance, against your instincts and things had gone wrong, you'd be kicking yourself for being "dumb" instead of talking about it from the safety of your own home.

souls_harbor 429 reads
posted
13 / 31

We only get touring girls up here in Frostbite Falls.  They usually have a "scheduling" agency -- but also typically claim to be independent.

Anyhow I always drop the envelope upon entering the hotel room, as that is the standard practice for everyone else in Frostbite Falls

souls_harbor 329 reads
posted
14 / 31

You should look into anger management programs.

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
is for you.  One look when you get there, and they're afraid you won't survive the hour, so they want their money up front.  Don't blame them.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 741 reads
posted
15 / 31

When I was a Newbie, I thought it was a bit of an insult to be asked to pay upfront when I was well-established with an org.  However, with experience, comes wisdom.  When I'm seeing a new girl for the first time, I will ALWAYS give her the envelope up front, and will ALSO ask her to check it and make sure I put in enough.  Once I am a regular and repeating with a girl, the donation comes at the end, because she knows me.  

There are a couple of reasons why I do this.  First, I am an unrepentant tipper.  I find if a new girl sees I have tipped a little on spec the first time out, I will get the best service she has to offer, and will not have to wait until a repeat visit to get her best effort.  

The second reason is that the booker may know me, but the girl doesn't, so I don't want her skating half-heartedly through the session wondering if she is going to get stiffed or shorted at the end.  If the BOOKER is telling you to pay upfront, then you KNOW the girl has been stiffed or shorted before (there are a-hole hobbyists everywhere, believe it or not), so she is the one that wants it made clear, not the booker that knows you.  Don't shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.  I would rather have her spend the hour concentrating on giving me the best experience possible rather than worry about getting paid.  My ego is not so fragile anymore that I will take offense at being asked to pay up front with a girl that doesn't know me.    

Now that the Captain has clarified that he wasn't being asked to give a credit card up front or pay someone other than the girl he is supposed to see, I think these points should be considered.  Put yourselves in the shoes of a girl that has recently been shorted or stiffed.  What would YOU want to do to protect yourself from this happening again?

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GaGambler 525 reads
posted
16 / 31

Especially if you are a monger with a good reputation.  

I have never been asked by the booker to be sure to "pay upfront" and usually I never put the girl herself in the awkward position of having to do so. If I am seeing a new girl, my routine is pretty much the same every time. Meet the girl at the door, make out for a bit, take off my shoes, head to the bedroom, get undressed and while doing so take out the donation and leave in a conspicuous place and then get led to the shower.

Most of the time the donation is right where I left it, completely untouched at the end of the session, and often I add to it if she made me particularly happy, but I make it a point to be rather obvious about dropping it somewhere where she can see it, and that takes care of any awkwardness that might come from her having to ask for it.

Now if the booker where to demand I "pay up front" while booking the session, yes I would be a bit offended.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 436 reads
posted
17 / 31

The only difference being that your decision to tip is at the end and I tip a little on spec. I agree that a booker asking for payment at the time of the booking is a huge red flag. When I first read the OP, like you, that's what I thought happened. I've never experienced that with a Kgirl agency. It happened once with a Caucasian agency in NY where they wanted a credit card to book, so I passed.

CaptainRenault 393 reads
posted
18 / 31

The request, added to the other factors, made me cautious, perhaps overly cautious.  I was not offended, because a person's business methods are his own business, so to speak....  I  have been asked for up front before, but never by a booker over the phone. And if the KGirl was stiffed, I understand it....

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 376 reads
posted
19 / 31

I was referring back to myself when I was a newbie, and some others here who have expressed outrage in the past about paying up front with a new girl.

CaptainRenault 516 reads
posted
20 / 31

This is the entirety of a 'juicy details' section of a recent review of an Asian provider. I won't mention name because I think that might violate TER rules:

"When she opened the door all I could smell is the smoke. She is fairly attractive though.. She asked for the donation so I gave it to her. She asked me to get undressed so I did.. She took her pants off gave me a condom and then laid on the bed didn't even take her sweater off the entire time. She wouldn't get me hard so I had to get myself hard... After I did so She would would constantly tell me to come already and wouldn't change positions or anything whatsoever.. I ended up just leaving without cumming because the overall vibe was terrible... She's nice up until she gets the donation."

CENZO1 162 Reviews 438 reads
posted
21 / 31

So are you implying that this might be an LE sting with the exchange of money being the quid pro quo solicitation. Or are you just saying this business model of paying up front bothers you. Also regarding the reference that other providers had the same phone number, did any of them have reviews?

Prismatics 5 Reviews 404 reads
posted
22 / 31

A quick search on youknowwhere between LA and SF revealed identical profile on 1850254 and 188294. Just like dine-and-ditch hobbyists, bait-and-switch providers will always be prevalent.  

   Again, back to basics. Tenpros will always be booked; "Hidden Gem" DNE in LA; TOFTT with a profile that's up for 16 hours a day will always spell disaster.

   LE dngaf unless they can catch 'em all and ensure a commemoration and/or promotion.

LLPeter 16 Reviews 391 reads
posted
23 / 31

Paying first can lead to so many different scenarios it is just not worth it. Thanks for wake up call.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 479 reads
posted
24 / 31

not repeat with this girl if this is what happened to you?  Lol

I only had one smoker issue in all my years of hobbying that was so bad I just wanted to get out of the there.  Reported it to the booker, who happened to be one of the top ones in SoCal, and I got a credit towards a different girl of my choice.

CaptainRenault 327 reads
posted
25 / 31


END OF MESSAGE

CaptainRenault 337 reads
posted
26 / 31

Not sure if LE or scam, but the gestalt of circumstances led me to cancel.  As I've said, I have NO problem with ANY business model,one chooses to adopt -  your business, your call - but when the totality of the circumstances says, 'I got a funny feeling,' I take my business elsewhere.  Just like to be safe.  On those RARE occasions when I did not listen to the Spidey sense, not good outcome -- rip offs, danger, even LE once. Escaped unscathed, but who needs ANY chance of that nonsense....

Posted By: CENZO1
So are you implying that this might be an LE sting with the exchange of money being the quid pro quo solicitation. Or are you just saying this business model of paying up front bothers you. Also regarding the reference that other providers had the same phone number, did any of them have reviews?

CaptainRenault 493 reads
posted
27 / 31

Not saying this girl was any of those, but seeking to examine with fellow hobbyists......  End of thread?

ChefBoyardee 32 Reviews 393 reads
posted
28 / 31

I have had this happen to me once, my first time with a certain booker. I didn't think much of it because the girl I booked had 10+ reviews already. I would later find out that the org had some issues with customers shorting some of the newer girls. It was never mentioned again to me on subsequent bookings, presumably because I didn't do anything wrong the first time.  

That said, I think you were right to trust your instincts. My personal rule is if I don't know the girl I need to know the booker, and if I don't know the booker the girl needs to have multiple credible reviews.

dancebbq09 130 Reviews 423 reads
posted
29 / 31

In korea payment is upfront. So girls want that.  Some owners/bookers let the girl do what she wants.  Ive paid upfront sometime cause girl asks for it.  Doest bother me.

LLPeter 16 Reviews 467 reads
posted
30 / 31

Dance, you have a insider advantage on this situation, but to the novice it could be a sting. She should at least show the pussy to see what we are getting. I have also payed up front, but in what I considered a safe location and the girls that ask for it up front seem to be afraid of being ripped off.

Posted By: dancebbq09
In korea payment is upfront. So girls want that.  Some owners/bookers let the girl do what she wants.  Ive paid upfront sometime cause girl asks for it.  Doest bother me.

teonada 23 Reviews 385 reads
posted
31 / 31

I had a booker text for payment up front and I had a fine time.

Posted By: LLPeter
Dance, you have a insider advantage on this situation, but to the novice it could be a sting. She should at least show the pussy to see what we are getting. I have also payed up front, but in what I considered a safe location and the girls that ask for it up front seem to be afraid of being ripped off.
Posted By: dancebbq09
In korea payment is upfront. So girls want that.  Some owners/bookers let the girl do what she wants.  Ive paid upfront sometime cause girl asks for it.  Doest bother me.

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