K-girls

Found any cameras?
chunking 94 Reviews 3152 reads
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1 / 39

I've shifted to handing over the donation in advance vs after, even with regulars .. as this seems to be the prevailing practice.  
But lately, the girls now disappear for a few minutes with your donation, which sort of damps the buzz and flow of the session.
What's going on?  Testing the bills with a scanner?  Putting it in a safe?  

I need to start factoring this in, that there's going to be a break between the greeting at the door and enjoying the session.

Part of what made K-Org what they were, was the smooth flow of the experience ..

pm5805 4 Reviews 121 reads
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2 / 39

Of course they're double-counting and putting in a safe. Orgs get ripped off, so there's no way they're leaving piles of cash in the bedroom drawer. Do the math - an apt with two girls working could easily have $4-5k lying around at the end of the day.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 131 reads
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3 / 39

new girls who seem to be unfamiliar with US currency. This has been rare but I've always assumed they were just making sure it was correct by checking with their room mate.

GaGambler 122 reads
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4 / 39

I honestly can't remember the last time this happened to me. My usual routine is to walk in, get a nice DFK greeting at the door, take off my shoes, retired to the bedroom and as I am taking off my clothes in anticipation of getting in the shower I discretely drop the donation on the nightstand or some similar place.  

 
99% of the time the donation stay exactly where I put it until AFTER the session. Every once in a great while the girl picks it up and puts it up somewhere, but never in recent memory has doing so interrupted the flow of the session. Maybe I have an honest face. lol

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 105 reads
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5 / 39

I have had girls who insisted on donation upfront every time even if I've seen them 10+ times

 
And Ive had girls who never even asked for donation once on the first time nor have checked the amount I put in the dresser, with me in the room.

 
Really doesn't bother me. The amount of time a girl is gone is not even enough to check for cameras in the bedroom... and yes I've done that.

dasbunka 62 Reviews 157 reads
posted
6 / 39

I agree that it breaks up the rhythm and could lead to let down in service. Also when seeing girl for first time I don’t like paying upcharges like extra pop up front.

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 145 reads
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7 / 39

As one of the veteran mongers on this here board, I feel it is incumbent to weigh in.

 

Some of the kgirls been robbed before; all have heard stories from their big sister of robberies.  Wouldn't you like to put your one hour girlfriend at ease with you?!  I know I do.

 

So

 

When I walk in I say hello and do my formalities.  Then I hand them the requisite donation amount.

 
All's well that ends well.  If it don't end well, FTB and no repeat!

 

YEMV

-- Modified on 6/27/2021 2:51:05 PM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 127 reads
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8 / 39

I always present the envelope up front before she even asks.  They go and count it, and then stick it in the freezer.  After the first time, I pay at the end.  I agree doing it up front interrupts the flow, but once she knows you, you don't have to do that.  

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 116 reads
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9 / 39

...you just pointed a giant neon arrow to make it easy for bad guys to rob K-girls.  You just told EVERYONE that K-girls hide their money "in the freezer."  What's the point of having a hiding place if an idiot like you tells everyone where the hiding place is?

GaGambler 126 reads
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10 / 39

Do you have any idea just how fucking pathetic you look?

 
I am sure no would be thief would ever look in the freezer for a hidden stash of money if it weren't for CDL running his mouth here. Yeah, whatever you say, fucking moron.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 106 reads
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11 / 39

collects it from the freezer so that he doesn't have to disturb the girls in the bedrooms, who may or may not be busy with a session.  Most times, he's in and out in 3-5 minutes and the girls may not even see him/her.   It's NOT intended to be a "secret" place, just a convenient place for the exchange.  The orgs don't want their share of the money to accumulate for days, so its usually a daily "drop", but at whatever time is convenient for the org person picking it up.   Their own share they put somewhere else where their roommate doesn't even know.      

 
It appears that BLRPOS thinks I dimed out the Kgirls' "triple secret hiding place?"   What a desperate stalker he is.  Lol

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 128 reads
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12 / 39

Cdl, I usually commend people posting info on public forum, but imo things like where the stash is at and the procedure of pickup and so forth does not need need to be public. Im very laissezfaire on what people post and "outing" and so forth. But imo maybe you should consider saying less here.  

 
You don't have to prove to anyone you know how the procedure works. And someone who knows that you have such tendency will get info they want from you easily. Just my two cents.

kyungjean 6 Reviews 129 reads
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13 / 39

Posted By: team_rocket_qwerty
Re: Actually, the org's representative . . . .
But imo maybe you should consider saying less here.  
You don't have to prove to anyone you know how the procedure works.
Haha. All Lioncito has in life is faux-validation from his over participation on this board....

Getting him to say less , or to say something meaningful - you may as well try stopping the wind from blowing!

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 114 reads
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14 / 39

Isn't there a huge vat / cauldron of kimchee in the kitchen?!  The money is stashed under the vat / cauldron.

 

D'oh

-- Modified on 6/28/2021 5:08:55 PM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 108 reads
posted
15 / 39

common knowledge.  I know it has been discussed in the past, and the first time I remember it brought up was on AF, about 7 or 8 years ago.  The OP asked why the girl takes the donation into the other room, and its because that's where the freezer is.  It doesn't take a genius to figure it out whether I say anything or not.  If the girls discuss it freely with their customers, then Its not a big secret.  No girl has ever mentioned this, and then said, "its between you and me, so don't tell anybody."  I have also heard someone enter the apartment when I saw sessioning, and I knew the other girl already had a customer.  I told the girl that someone came in, and she said they were picking up the money, and will be gone in a minute.  One guy even said he asked a girl for change  once and she went in the other room and returned with cold $20's.  Do you think he guessed where they came from?  Lol

 
I have a good history of knowing what should be posted and what shouldn't be, and my posting history here will verify that, but this is pretty innocuous as far as logistical goings-on in this biz.  If I had said the day's money is in the freezer, and here's a list of the locations, then you have my permission to shoot me in the head, because then I have clearly lost it.  This is like us being in a casino and I tell you they keep the money in the cage.  Maybe you already knew it and maybe you didn't, but so what?    

 
But you're in good company.  BLRPOS thought it was a bad idea, too, so there you go.   The foremost authority on Kgirls here thinks just like you, or vice versa.  Lol    I think most higher volume guys already knew about this, so its only "news" to the newer guys.  Like I said, its not a secret, its for the convenience of the exchange.   I'd give you change for "your two cents," but I'd have to go to the freezer to get it.  Lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 120 reads
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16 / 39

LAST place I would look for anything.  Lol    I'm sure there are a few orgs that use a different method from the "drop" that I described.  Its going to depend on how many apartments the "collector" has to visit each day.  

impposter 49 Reviews 140 reads
posted
17 / 39

Haven't read the whole thread but ...
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In my experience in the northeast, some ask for the fee in advance but if they know me they might not. But there are other reasons for prepay.  
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It is MY belief that she takes it to the mamasan or phone girl to have it checked (testing pen; uv light) and logged. BUT she also needs to gather stuff for the session. This might be another crazy "LE check" kind of thing. The room may have a bed, chair, dim red light, radio. lamp table, red light bulb lamp, naked guy in a towel lying on the bed, ... but there are no condoms or related sexual paraphernalia.  So if LE breaks in at THAT moment, there is no evidence of anything sexual in progress. Just a naked guy waiting for a massage with NO sexual intentions.
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During her short break to dump the fee, she might also: take a quick shower; and/or disrobe and wrap herself in a towel; GRAB THE ESSENTIALS KIT (a few condoms, etc.) and return with them to the room. Now if LE breaks down the door, you're cooked!
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The first couple of times, when 2 minutes seems like 20 minutes, I was probably thinking, "Hay! Get back in here! "My" clock is ticking!" But I have always been shown such a great time that the few minutes out of the room really don't matter to me.

Posted By: chunking

I've shifted to handing over the donation in advance vs after, even with regulars .. as this seems to be the prevailing practice.  
 But lately, the girls now disappear for a few minutes with your donation, which sort of damps the buzz and flow of the session.  
 What's going on?  Testing the bills with a scanner?  Putting it in a safe?  
   
 I need to start factoring this in, that there's going to be a break between the greeting at the door and enjoying the session.  
   
 Part of what made K-Org what they were, was the smooth flow of the experience ..

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 91 reads
posted
18 / 39

This thread has 553 views. How many of those people were from AF?

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 107 reads
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19 / 39

This is some sussy baka shit, my guy.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 164 reads
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20 / 39

Yet when he was busted four times in one thread for LYING about how many reviews he had on AF, CDL said:
"Well, I'm 62 and . . . .
my memory is not what it used to be.  We're talking about a time period of 6-10 years..."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/well-im-62-and-----25851?frmSearch=1#25851

 
How could CDL remember an AF thread from 7-8 years ago and also claim he couldn't remember how many reviews he had on AF because his "memory is not what it used to be."  I'll tell you how - because he's a LIAR.  The sooner K-mongers realize it, the sooner they'll stop following The Pied Piper.

rpd1952 113 Reviews 136 reads
posted
21 / 39

probably more accurate to say stop the wind from breaking.in his case.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 125 reads
posted
22 / 39

everyone reads every post in the thread.  For instance, BLRPOS can go days or even weeks with "0 reads" on his posts.  

 
To answer your question, there is no way to determine on this board where people were from before they came here.  I thought a bright young guy like you would know that.  Lol

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 95 reads
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23 / 39

That's my point. How can you assume that that information is common knowledge when you don't know who on this board is from AF and take into account that the majority of people who read these threads don't participate in them?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 106 reads
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24 / 39

came here the same week I did, and these are the guys I know personally.  So I'll ask you, did you ever try to keep a secret with 200 guys?  If it wasn't common knowledge on TER 6 years ago, it became common knowledge since then.  Go ahead and keep doubling down.  The veterans here that have known this for years will appreciate the entertainment value.  I'll be the straight man, and you say the funny stuff, since we started that way already.  Lol

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 94 reads
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25 / 39

How many of the posters on this thread are among those 200?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 103 reads
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26 / 39

As far a I know, all of them continue to read the boards.  I wouldn't get PM's about some of the things I say here unless they were following along, so I think its safe to connect the dots. As TER came back online in December of 2019, over the succeeding several months, I publicly welcomed back many of these occasional posters that I have known for years.  I know you came here more recently, so you wouldn't know the history without a program or scorecard, and I don't think those are currently available.  Lol

TrailerparkRomeo 3 Reviews 132 reads
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27 / 39

Posted By: impposter
So if LE breaks in at THAT moment, there is no evidence of anything sexual in progress. Just a naked guy waiting for a massage with NO sexual intentions.
So let's do a reality check.  Here's how it actually happens:

Police bust in, you're naked in a place they have evidence of being an incall.  You're arrested on the spot and booked on solicitation.  You're not asked any questions or told much.  You call your attorney who takes $2,500 as his retainer fee and you post bail.  Your attorney talks with the DA and you're offered a deal of a knockback charge from solicitation to "criminal trespassing."  You can take the deal or you can go to trial.

Your attorney is more than willing to go to trial but that will be an extra $10,000 in attorney fees.  You can go to trial and have counsel try and convince a jury (which will include at least 5-6 broke-down looking women) that you were in the sex house because you needed tax advice and not because of sex.

This speculation here and on other boards that without an actual video or eye witness of you giving a provider money has no real consequence is not congruent with reality.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 139 reads
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28 / 39

This is why storefronts are so safe unless they videotape the rooms. You can always, and I mean always, play dumb and say you were there getting a massage.  

No matter if it's a bbfs house, it will be impossible for them to proof exchange of sex for money in a place that advertises massage for money, unless they actually catch you with your dick inside the woman or in the process of negotiating/exchanging money

GaGambler 106 reads
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29 / 39

giving extra money is perfectly legal. Having sex is also perfectly legal. What is NOT legal for some stupid reason in any of these places where you are already naked as a matter of course is "giving extra money for sex"  

 
Unless they can tie those two acts together, a conviction for solicitation is all but impossible to achieve unless they can scare one or both parties into a confession. Unfortunately that does happen all the time. People get scared and just can't bring themselves to STFU.

TrailerparkRomeo 3 Reviews 123 reads
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30 / 39

Thing is they don't have to prove anything.  As they say "you can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride."

So you can most certainly be booked into LA County Jail and have to shell out a retainer fee.  Even if all the charges are dropped, your attorney doesn't refund the money and you were still booked for solicitation.  Contrary to popular belief, people have been successfully prosecuted without video evidence and without eye witnesses.  Very few people are willing to go 5-figures for a trial defense as opposed to taking a knockback charge which doesn't mention solicitation.

When you're changing jobs it's easier to explain "criminal trespass" as some type of personal dispute.  Whereas "solicitation" doesn't really have any explanation.  It just is.

Coldiridium 1 Reviews 135 reads
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31 / 39

And what did you do about it?

Coldiridium 1 Reviews 110 reads
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32 / 39

Gives new meaning to “cold hard cash…”

TrailerparkRomeo 3 Reviews 128 reads
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33 / 39

This isn't true.  A conviction only needs 12 people to say you did it.  It doesn't have to be "I saw video" or "I have a confession."

Beyond a reasonable doubt is "This explanation is more likely than almost any other explanation."  It doesn't mean "I'm 100% certain this is the way it is."  That's why it's not called "beyond a shadow of a doubt."  It comes down to what's reasonable.

"You can't prove I actually had sex" is not reasonable when the place has reviews online, other customers in a bust, and all the hallmarks of an incall location.  The jury would say "Yeah, we're not dumb, you were there for sex" and that's it.  And like I mentioned previously, to even get to that point where you're in court is an arrest, a booking record, and over $10,000 in attorney fees.  And that's if you get a not-guilty or a dismissal.

I've seen this tried many times when someone is standing 10 feet away from the meth pipe with the meth and his defense is "That was someone else's" and counsel tries to say that because they didn't check for prints, that means they can't prove it was his.  The jury still convicts.

As for being scared, yeah most people when those cuffs go on they start screaming and crying.  Because they're about to be taken to a place which has over 80% gang affiliation and where it takes 14-16 hours to process out of.  They will probably miss work the next day and have to explain to their loved ones where they've been.  Exception is a retired person who lives alone, maybe he wouldn't mind that much, but most people do.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 114 reads
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34 / 39

What are you booked for? Plead the fifth and have your lawyers talk to them. They can't charge you with shit.  

 
Again, I've known a few people who were present (or at least claimed to have been present) during a storefront amp raid. None of them got arrested or even booked for anything. None were caught in the act, one got caught naked on massage table with a semi chubby. Most were talked to, threatened or pressured to talk, but nothing happened. Some of them just left because cops couldn't detain them.  

All of these people claimed they were getting a massaged from a business they paid money to...or they pleaded the fifth.... or they asked I they were detained or arrested, and then left.  

 
That's one of few things that storefront model has over apartment model. Because if you're caught an apartment of an incall, you can't play dumb. You'll be charged with being at a bawdy place. A massage parlor that can be walked into by accident - and in fact, each ra has funny stories of unsuspecting women and men walking into FS shops all the time - is much easier to avoid. Cops won't bother most of the time unless it's like with Kraft.

kyungjean 6 Reviews 87 reads
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35 / 39

If you count Lioncito-la-manicura and his alts, maybe 2, tops 3. LOL.

TrailerparkRomeo 3 Reviews 132 reads
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36 / 39

What are you booked for?
They don't have to tell you for 24 hours.  They can just put you in the car and take you to Men's Central Jail.  Your 5th amendment only applies if they have questions.  They don't have to ask you anything.  And your attorney wants the $2,500 retainer plus $400/hr fee agreement signed.  You process out in 14-16 hours of being in the jail, which is 80-85% gang affiliated at this point.
They can't charge you with shit
Don't confuse a probable cause to arrest with an indictment from the DA's office.  You can be arrested for very little and they don't have to indict you.  Or they can indict you and let you mull that in your head for a year until they drop the case knowing you're running up attorney fees every time you pick up that phone and call counsel for an update.  The State is in no hurry.  They have several years to finally get around to indicting you or dropping their case.  Or just let the statute of limitations run out and not tell you anything.  You're not entitled to investigative updates.

 
That's great that people you know weren't arrested.  But I assure you it wasn't because of their legal savvy.  You can say "I take the 5th amendment" and they'll say "Cool, I don't have any questions right now and I actually don't want you to talk.  Put your hands on your head and turn around for me."

 
I do agree that cops have better things to do.  But I'm saying that's the reason customers aren't usually busted.  Not because customers have some magical protection or that the 5th amendment is "scary" to police.  Give the cops a hard time and they'll book you just to get some frustration out.  They know why you're there.  Usually they don't care.  But some of these guys on forums who want to talk tough or do the "Am I being detained!!??" are not helping themselves.

rpd1952 113 Reviews 136 reads
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37 / 39

that the number of "reads" a post registered doesn't tell you how many people have read any particular post. I suspect most people view the boards in "Tree" mode so all posts are visible so no need to click on a post to open it.

Floorhump422 25 Reviews 120 reads
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38 / 39

Obviously. The point is that more people than those who actually post on threads read them.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 113 reads
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39 / 39

stand naked too close to the open freezer, its just cold hard . . . . ."  Lol

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