So I've been trying to get  a date with my ATF k-girl for about 7 months...She said no a few times but finally said yes. I brought her flowers, took her to nice dinner, went for a walk on the beach, lots of handholding, kissing. A great time. I think she had a great time too. We kissed and said goodbye at the end of the night. I wanted to go upstairs but she said no and I didn't push it. For those of you who have dated k-girls in the past, care to tell me what my next move is? I really like this girl and would like to go on more dates. Was she just being nice to keep one of her good customers coming back. I'm trying not to be cynical but it is in my nature. Anyway, you can't PM me because I don't have VIP, but I'm hoping you'll share here.

"more dates" it sounds like you are looking for some kind of outside relationship with this girl.  Before you go much further, you should try  to determine whether this was just a "customer-appreciation" date (which many Kgirls will periodically give to their regulars) or whether she is also interested in seeing where this might go in the same way you are.  

 
A good way to  test if there is real interest in you from her is to ask her out on a day that she must take off of work.  Most Kgirls are happy to do "customer-appreciation" dates on their days off, or in the middle of the night after their last customer, but its another matter to lose a day of income to go out with a guy.  I have learned over the course of many years that this separates the "real" from the fantasy.  If she is really interested in you as potential boyfriend material, then she will be willing to make some reasonable sacrifices in pursuit of a real relationship, just like we do.  
(I won't list the sacrifices WE make, the list might be too long - lol).  Kgirls are all about money, so if they are willing to forego the opportunity to make $1200 to $1500 in order to spend a day on a real-life date with you, you may be onto something really good.  I always take the decision to take time off work to date me as a show of good faith that she regards me as more than just a good customer, and I will reward her in kind by making sure its a date that is unique and memorable.    

 
 Another way to find out their attitude towards you is to ask them out again soon after the first date.  If you say you had a good time, you really LIKE her, and propose that you go out again sometime, you will usually get one of two responses.  The first is, "When?"  This is good news and means she is not just rewarding you for being a loyal customer and her interest in you is personal.  The other most common response is, "Maybe in a month or two."  If you hear this, you should accept that you had a nice customer-appreciation  date and you should enjoy it for what it was, but forget about a real relationship unless SHE makes a move to further things between you.   Hope this answers your question on what to do next.

 
One final point, you should never propose sex on an outside date during the first several dates UNLESS you offer her a donation for the sex time.  Kgirls are always suspicious of guys looking for freebies, and its a huge turn-off for them.   If after several dates where you have paid her for sex as part of the date, you MAY hear the magic words,  "You're my boyfriend so you don't have to pay anymore."  This point has to evolve naturally just like having sex with a civvie girl on a date.  Many Kgirl daters make the mistake off thinking because they have had sex at the incall, they can automatically have sex on an outside date.  That is not the case.  If you spend all day with  her (10-12 hours) as I usually do, compensating her for a two-hour session as part of the date makes it a little easier for her to justify taking ANOTHER whole day off of work to see you again.  She still loses some ground financially, but its a shared sacrifice at this point.  

First off, the words "baby steps" come to mind when talking to the OP. I don't think he needs (or wants) the "truth" about her motivations just yet. I think the important thing for him right now is for him to give himself the best chance for a second date, he can work on finding out if she is actually interested in him or not later.

 
In keeping with that theme, I would suggest he book another appointment as soon as possible and use that opportunity to ask her out again, but try to make it as EASY for her to say yes as possible, this is no time to make her prove that she has genuinely interested in you. In this regard I mean to make the date at her convenience, on a day/night where you won't be infringing on her work time and hopefully doing something she actually likes to do (I hope he was paying attention on his first date, otherwise he needs to to a little digging on what SHE likes to do during his paid date, but before actually asking her on another "outside" date)

 
I completely disagree about offering to pay for sex on an outside date, IF you want her to ever become an actual GF that is. It's the one way to be SURE you never become a actual BF. If you really like a K-Girl you should treat her just like a civvie date on your outside dates and take your cues from HER as to when she is ready to move things along. You are absolutely correct that K-girls are always on guard for guys simply looking for "freebies" Now there is an exception to this rule which can put you in a rather nice "middle ground" between being just a customer and being an actual boyfriend. That is when she schedules you as her last appointment of the day, you pay for your "inside date" and then go as as friends after your paid date. I have had one of these such relationships last for years, I would pay for an hour and then go on a six hour OTC date, but I ALWAYS paid for the sex. To tell you the truth i REALLY enjoyed the relationship as there was ZERO pressure on either of us this way, We enjoyed each others company, but there was never that added pressure of being BF/GF I have actually had several of these kind of relationships/arrangements and they almost always worked out great. They tend to work best with newer girls who don't have a network of friends and who actually welcome having a nice guy to hang out with during their off hours without complicating their lives by getting involved with someone. The secret to these kind of relationships however is to NEVER get needy or clingy. That's the fastest way to ruining such an arrangement.

First of all, what happened to all the prior rreplies?  All disappeared.  Including mine!!

Anyway, i think your nuts if want to have a relationship with a provider.  How you can handle thinking of me jizzing in her mouth while shes sucking my dick like a jack hammering hoover vacuum while im screaming in pain and pleasure while your at the office is beyond understading.

But if your into her just ask her like a normal civie chick that you want a relationship etc.  other then make up and banging thousands of guys with her pussy she still shits and farrs like any oher human.  Every girl is different so some will get offended if ask for a freebie or want a serious relationship and some dont and will try to marry you.  Ive had some girls give me freebie blowjob on the first OTC date or dump me after when i would not buy her a Nike special addition air max or ask me to marry them.  So You just dont know how a girl will react or behave.  So just do what you want and ask her in the next session.  Worst case she will say no and you can doggy her and have her suck your love juice into her mouth and go hone. And come back the next day and do a twosome with her roomie and bave her rim you while your banging her roomie.  Thats what i did one time and felt awesome.

Thank you for the advice...and as the other poster said...weren't there a bunch more responses to this post? where di they go? Anyway, I thank you all...CDL..that sounds like sound advice. and GaGambler...I see your points as well. I did set up an appointment with her but she got a cold and cancelled on the day of the appt. or at least that's what she told me. I then got  a text a week later on a Sunday (her day off) where she basically wrote me and said, "Hi how are you doing?" and then the second text was "I need your help." I got back to her several hours after her last text...it was sunday...i just don't check my hobby phone that often. I asked her if she was all right and what was going on? she basically said she was ok...and that was the end of the convo. Does anyone know what that was about it? I haven't scheduled a next date...just been busy.  
I will schedule another appt with her, but right now I'm reeling from post Xmas financial issues.

like my prior post, every girl is different.  had one girl where i didn't reply to her text for few hours and she starts texting me nonstop with "oppa, where are you?!?!?  "why aren't you texting me back??!!!?" and then starting calling me nonstop! wft?!? turned out she was psycho.  didnt see her again and like a year later i saw her hooked up some fat old korean dude in a SL550.  then one other girl, who i didn't text back till next day just say she texted me what i was doing to say hi on her break from working and then no other text till i saw her following week and that was the way we kept it pure friendly business customer interaction.  then one other girl, who texted me once in awhile through out the week and didn't even get upset when i didn't reply or sometim didn't reply when i texted so thought she wasn't into me etc but turned out she didn't reply sometime cause she felt awkward and sorry about texting me after sucking on some guy's dick. she actually turned into one of my ex.  

so like i said just ask her that you want a relationsihip and don't read into anything till she gives a direct answer of "no, get lost."

but we just got there in a different way.  You prefer the OTC time AFTER the sex, and I prefer it before, just like in a civvie dating relationship.  For me, it doesn't have the feel of a "real" relationship like I would have with a civvie girl if I go to her home, have sex first, and THEN go out.  But you have to be smooth and casual about the sex part.  After a couple of initial "no-sex" dates to show her I'm not a freebie-mooch, I will let her know that as we grow the outside relationship, it would be nice to end the date in bed the same way I would with a non-working girl, but I tell her I don't want her to think I'm trying to get freebies from her by dating her, so if she would feel more comfortable about, I will give her the same donation I give at the incall for a two hour session AT THE END of the night.  Playing this part absolutely straight is essential to putting her at ease that you're NOT playing her for freebies.  At the first hint of trying to weasel out of the donation, she will drop you with no regrets.  I hear from younger guys all the time that blow it at this exact moment by trying to walk back their donation offer.  

 
Some girls will take the donation once before telling you that you don't have to pay anymore, and others will take the donation two or three times first, but in my experience, paid sex at the beginning doesn't feel "real" until you have passed the point that you are no longer paying.  To make it more like a real relationship, I will sometimes NOT ask for sex after I have already had it on a previous outside date.  This also makes it more like a civvie relationship.  When I have a civvie girlfriend I do not have  sex with her everytime I see her, so its important to make a Kgirl feel like this is a real relationship that transcends you having stated out as a customer. The timeline is what is most important.  First, SHE has committed to take a day off of work to spend with me.  That shows interest in me ( or setting me up for a hustle, but that's another discussion for another time - lol).  She is giving up $12-1500 hundred dollars to be with me for the day.  By giving her back $5-600 for the sex portion of the date, I am underwriting SOME of her "investment" so she will be encouraged to go again without taking such a big hit financially.  Its a win-win situation.  

 
I think where we disagree the most is on the subject of location.  As long as the sex portion occurs at the incall, I think you are still in the transition phase, but have not yet arrived at a real outside relationship (and I have been in this position, too).  When the sex is either a her home, your home of a hotel, it just seems more like a real relationship.  Otherwise, how much time does it take a Kgirl to get her mind out of working-girl mode and into a girlfriend mentality if you start your time together at the incall?  To me, that just adds more of an uphill battle to the whole equation.  

 
IMO, transitioning from a customer to an outside boyfriend is the most difficult thing you can do with a working girl.  Out of over 50 different Kgirls I have dated on the outside in ten years, only seven turned into real-life relationships that typically lasted between 6 months and a year, but they were ALL great experiences and I don't regret the time I spent with any of them.    The transition from customer to outside boyfriend who does NOT pay for sex anymore should take no longer than three or four dates if you do it with finesse.  Just don't confuse "thank-you" dates with real  relationships.  

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*Full disclosure - I used to frequent this forum ~ a year ago (handle: LibertineProust), but forgot my login credentials and just finding my way back. I also received some very valuable insights from more senior members here when I had my own questions about K-girls.  

The senior members have provided a mixed salad of responses to you, and possibly with the intent of not deflating your optimism for this particular case.  

However, Koreans (both civvies and k-girls) are fairly quick (and astute) judges of what they want (or don't want). The fact that you've essentially had to beg her for ~7 months to go on a date with you before she finally agreed to it is a really good indication that you have already lost this one...such behavior also suggests a certain level of neediness that may not attract the typical k-girl.  

***Some positive signs of interest you might want to look out for during a session w/ a K-girl are***  

-Positive comparisons w/ ex-boyfriend
-Inquires about any girlfriend(s) you might have in your life
-Mentions meeting for coffee
-You're one of her last sessions for the night and she inquires about your plans afterwards
-Gets pissy if you receive a text from another girl mid-session
-Behaves coyly in your presence (even after racking up several sessions)  
-Gets pissy at you if you've seen one of her colleagues at the incall (and refuses to see you for several months as a result)
-A willingness to relax her boundaries for you
-BBBJNQNS (especially when past experience/ corroborated experiences of others makes certain she's a spitter)

And CAN be an indication of real interest by a girl with a pure heart.  However, this is the same check-list you have to look out for with a girl that is setting you up for a money-hustle.  The key to working a con on you is to have control of you and the relationship.  Your list includes many of the ways they accomplish this.  Let me explain . . . . .  

 
 --Mentioning an ex-boyfriend of hers is to see if you are the jealous type.  Jealous guys are easier to control.    
 --Asking about your ex-girlfriends is to see if you are emotionally available for the hustle to work.  If she is going to get you to part with a large some of money, she needs you to be 100% emotionally invested in HER.  
 --Meeting for coffee is dangling a carrot to make you THINK she is interested.  If she is REALLY interested, she will name a tropical island paradise she has always wanted to visit.  Your answer is that MAYBE you will take her someday.    
 --She counts on the guys that book at the end of the night to feed her.  Either she will ask you to bring food for the two of you, or suggest you go someplace and get dinner.  It will not have to be someplace impressive, because SHE doesn't regard it as a real outside date.  You're just feeding her in exchange for social time in her company.  The saddest scenario is when you're not THE last appointment, but you hang around the area until the last customer leaves and THEN you bring the food she asked you to get.  The time you are sitting around and waiting to return to her incall, you are completely under her control.    
 --She doesn't really care if you talk to other girls.  She just doesn't want THEM to get to your wallet before SHE does.  She will PRETEND to be jealous to make you THINK she's into you.  Its part of the control dynamic.  Temporarily BL'ing you is another control move.  It shows you SHE is in charge.  If you accept this kind of behavior, you're toast.    
 --60% of all Kgirls relax their boundaries at some point with long-term customers.  It has nothing to do with "interest" in you or OTC time.  Its to keep the revenue flowing.    
 --Same thing with the swallow.  Common with long-term regulars even when reviews say she is a spitter.    

 
 The fact that your list can go either way shows the importance of being vigilant when seeing a Kgirl on the outside.  You don't want to become THAT guy who handed over 5 figures in cash only to have the girl you THOUGHT was your soul-mate disappear on you.  

Fair enough, CDL - a set of actions cannot certify the underlying intent...and apparently, only with time and maybe a series of shit-tests is it possible to accurately evaluate a k-girl's interest level.  

I was a bit surprised by the point you made about the island paradise getaway. Why do you isolate that as a valid signal that she might be interested in you? It seems like a common topic that would arise during conversation - talking about your next vacation spot.  

In spite of the points you raise, I don't think this at all disqualifies or invalidates my conclusion -  that given the set of circumstances that OP described, this particular K-girl is highly unlikely to view him as potential relationship material.  

(PS - Anyone who has tried to DM me, I don't currently have VIP privileges and cannot view your messages)

You have probably had experience with Kgirls that were buttering you up for a money-scam and know how to spot it.  Many here don't see it coming, judging from the PM's I get from guys that have been conned by a Kgirl "love-interest", so my intent was to give them the big picture beyond the hearts and flowers, because with the top girls, its difficult to separate the "real" from the "fantasy" for guys new to OTC Kgirl dating.  

 
I agree with your points.  They are all valid when viewed from the perspective that Kgirls are always completely honest and forthcoming in their motivations and showing of personal interest in a "special" customer, but I just wanted to point out that there is also a potential "dark side" to some of the same behaviors you mentioned, and that guys wanting outside relationships should not automatically assume everything is on the up and up until some time has gone by.  The ones that are scamming you will start to make slip-ups that reveal over time their true intentions.  These should not be ignored nor dismissed as a "misunderstanding".  Be critical of all suspicious behavior.  Dating should be similar to dating a civvie girl, except the sex is usually better.  

 
I am especially grateful to all the guys who are willing to bring them food after their shift is over.  They need to eat, and most Kgirls neither have a car, nor drive.  The reason I'm "grateful" is that they are not asking ME to do it, and I don't have to deal with the unpleasantness of turning them down.  Lol

 
Island paradise comment ---  If a girl is really interested in you, SHE will also propose spending time together, just like you will.  Going on a trip for a week or more requires an emotional investment on her part, not to mention she must take time off of work to go, so there's a significant financial investment as well in the form of lost revenues from not working.  She also knows that you are not going to take her somewhere for a week after knowing her a short time, or not having had other dates outside first.  So I take it to mean she is telling me she is open to something longer term, which means starting with some one-day dates, and progressing to some weekends away together, followed by a full-blown vacation.  Moving too fast in real relationships is something they just don't do.  If they are moving fast, its a scam set-up.  I said "island paradise" because I never dated a Kgirl OTC that didn't like beaches and sunshine.  No Kgirl is going to tell you she has always wanted to go to Iceland.  Lol

Always annoys me when i read comments like these when they make the girl sound like some retarded kids.  The Korens have their own taxi services like uber.  The kgirls use them when they want foor delivered or they want to go shopping or go see a movie.  So if the owner or bf is too busy to drive tbem they have taxi access 24/7.   Or some of then just put on pants and leave the apt to get some latte at starbucks.  Kgirls are not trapped or run around scared of LE.   Some of my exs would call in fully booked then put on sone sweats and meet me downstairs and we get some lunch.  

Wonderfully stated! Are there any examples of a relationship with a "working" K-girl actually working out? I definitely see a relationship as being more viable if the K-girl is already in the phases of planning for her retirement from the industry - which is something I'm dealing with one of my ATFs at the moment.

So my kgirl is moving once again. This is the third time in a year. She says she's down until March. I offered to meet her at a hotel. She didn't respond. I'm not sure what that date we had a few months ago was. I'm not holding my breath here. Very cool girl but a peculiar one.

trapped at the incall or scared of LE.  You're the only one who has brought that up.  No one else said they don't have other choices.  What they are is lazy and cheap about spending their own money rather than yours, especially if they have guys who will do it for them.  If they have a customer who will bring them food, then they will stay in and let the guy bring it.  If they don't have a guy hanging around or coming back to bring them dinner, then you are absolutely correct that they will throw on some clothes and go out and get something themselves. Korean taxi service is not free, so if they have a customer that will bring food, they would rather save the money and let HIM bring it.  

 
You are correct that a Kgirlfriend will take off of work to spend time with their outside boyfriends.  I said that earlier in the thread.  But just because a Kgirl goes out with you doesn't mean you are her boyfriend.  Many girls go on "customer-appreciation" dates with their regulars.  Very few will take off of work to see a customer who has NOT become their real outside boyfriend.  

 
Just some friendly advice.  If you lay down the rules in the beginning of the relationship about what your dating expectations are, they will rise to the occasion if they are truly interested in you, or they know they will risk losing you to another girl.  Any girl that showed up in sweats to go to a restaurant with me would instantly become my ex-girlfriend, and I feel bad that you were disrespected like that.  It probably wasn't a real relationship in the first place.  For lunch on a weekday, I prefer a blouse and a skirt (whether or not to wear underwear under the skirt is at their discretion, but I DO like to be surprised - lol) so that we blend in to the business community at the restaurant.  Likewise, I will tolerate her wearing no makeup on the first date only.  If they want a second date, they must wear makeup when we go out in public.  If they're just coming to my place (which costs them about $75 each way in a Korean taxi) and we're not going out, they don't need to wear makeup.  

of real-life Kgirl relationships working out.  The most famous example is Sexy Lohan, who married a former customer.  There have been several less-well-known girls who have converted ex-customers into husbands as well, and these examples are often used by "recruiters" to lure Kgirls to work in another country.  But from a practical standpoint, 90 days is not enough time to make this a viable option for the long term, and if you're non-Korean, as most of the guys who marry retired Kgirls are, its virtually impossible to get from customer to spouse in less than a year after first meeting and expect it to last.  There are many cultural hurdles to overcome for both parties in a mixed-ethnicity marriage.  

 
You are insightful to understand that "retirement planning" is the primary motivator for Kgirls to seek outside real-life relationships. Many of the girls who worked salons in Seoul have already been pushed out of the business once due to age, so after working in a foreign country for a few years and reaching their mid-30's, many girls take an introspective look at themselves and ask what they will be doing in five or ten years, and getting out of the business with a partner that can support them is the most attractive plan for most.  The least attractive is finding themselves at 60+ working an AMP giving blowjobs for $40.  I'm confident that every older Kgirl stuck in an AMP thought in her 30's that she would never be doing this.  So there is a conscious effort by many Kgirls between 35-40 to START looking for a nice man who is financially secure that they can spend the rest of their lives with.  

 
Most prefer men older than themselves by at least 10 years, but many will be open to a younger guy.  Although going younger is often a shorter term plan in order to get a green card, and they are not planning on staying with him beyond 3-4 years, BUT you can have a hell of a good time with a Kgirl in 3-4 years.  The biggest hurdle for younger guys is to make enough income so that the girl doesn't have to continue to be a provider after marriage.  Many young guys will SAY they are okay with their wife continuing to work, but when it comes to the long hours and seeing so many customers a day, the green-eyed monster will soon show itself and the marriage blows up in six months or less, so both parties have wasted their time and the girl must start over with another guy.  So if you're younger, you have to ask yourself if you are in a financial position to take her out of the workplace and keep her happy with a lifestyle similar to what she is used to when working?

 
If you're 50-60 years old, single, and make a few hundred thousand a year, or more, then you are the holy grail for a Kgirl (I just turned 60 myself) thinking about retirement.  You should have no trouble scoring outside dates.  Just be aware that you still need to be vigilant about their motives.  If you are "in love" and they see you as someone who can be easily scammed, they will hit you up for 5 or 6 figures, then marry someone else who is thinner and/or better-looking.  Sorry to be so blunt, but just keeping it real.  

 
If you're married, a Kgirl has no motivation to date you on the outside except as a "thank you" for being a regular customer.  If you are expecting her to find "love" with you anyway, then you are complicit in the eventual money-hustle she pulls on you.  A surprising number of married guys have a hard time distinguishing between reality and fantasy when it comes to Kgirls, and end up being taken to the cleaners.  Go figure.  

I will add that check or ask the korean working g/f about her background and other stuff. I will admit I have been with 3 and 2 of them had phony papers, fake social security cards ands etc.

you comments seem like you have never really known the real girl underneath the kho image or even had a longterm relationship with a girl period. you seem to treat them like some trophies you wear.  and what realtionship after you get serious does the girl always dress up to go out?  even kgirls fart, don't shower, and wear sweats to go eat breakfast etc.   or go out for lunch they just put on pair of jeans and flip flops and head out to Urth cafe.  shoot some kchicks take dumps in my bathroom and stink it up like some thing died in there.  

and none of the kgirls ive know wanted to bother with clients.  they just want to rest.  ive known none who wanted anything food and such deliverd.  actually annoyed them and they would bitch at me how some guys are annoying and such.  and they could careless about a 30 buck taxi fee vs having some client bothering them outside of the paid session.

its fascinating you and i have sometimes totally different experience with kgirl behaviors.  i figureing im more in their world since i speak the language and when they suck in my jizz sometime they spit it out and say "oppa, your love juice tastes like shit today" in korean.  yes words of love.

The, being completely dolled up in public bit, did seem over the top. I realize that Kgirls can pile on the makeup during a session, but generally speaking, Koreans don't wear a lot of makeup as it's bad for their skin...the bb cream is about it and the occasional lipstick.

Are you open to revealing who "your kgirl" is? Perhaps one of the other members here knows her well and can provide more insight into her behavior for you. Up to this point, all of the advice has been given in generalities.

You and I have had different experiences with Kgirls.   But for me, its not just Kgirls.  I treat Kgirls the same way I treat civvie girls, and time has shown that is one of the markers of my continued success with outside Kgirl relationships.  Kgirls are still women, and OUTSIDE THE WORKPLACE, they respond the same way that non-working girls respond to most dating situations.  I don't kiss their asses, and I don't put them on a pedestal.  I treat them the same way I treat civvie women.  Consequently, I get the same reactions from them (which are predicable)  that I get from a girl that has no idea what an incall is.  I always show them respect, and I expect them to show me respect.  They learn early on that this includes certain standards of dress, makeup and behavior in public with me.  If they can't adapt to the program, then I drop them.  There are always other that are only a text message away that will go out with me.    

 
You seem to suggest that AFTER the relationship gets serious, they start the disrespectful behavior like not showering before you show up, wearing sweats outside with you, and farting in your direction.  (Keep a bottle of Gas-X in your bathroom and it might help with the farting.)  If you tolerate that kind of behavior, then things going downhill from there is on you, not them.  You have to consider that maybe the reason your relationships don't last very long at a high level of intensity is because they are not seeing the long-term potential of being with you, which would give them the incentive to be more respectful.   If you call them out on it, they know what you expect, and will either stop the objectionable behavior or you dump them and get another one.  The nice thing about beautiful Kgirls is that they are NOT in short supply, so there is no reason to put up with anything disrespectful from the one you're with.  I have known many other guys that let Kgirls run all over them, and the relationships don't last very long.  Mine are usually in the 6-10 month range, and will typically end when I come to a conclusion that this is NOT the person I want to marry and spend the rest of my life with, and I end it, usually amicably, so we can remain friends.   Some others don't even get out of the starting blocks because after a couple of dates, I conclude there is no way this girl is ever going to be classy enough for me.  So I'm still looking.    If you let them treat you like a doormat, that's what you become.  

 
Since we have been hobby brothers for years, here's more free advice . . . . .  When you take your dick out of her ass, wash it first before putting it in her mouth and your jizz won't taste like shit.  Try it.  You'll thank me later.  Lol

who you might be seeing on the outside.  Word will spread quickly and she will lose business as a result.  We all want to believe in the midst of our sessions that the GFE fantasy MIGHT be real, and she works hard to make us feel that way.  I simply won't go see a girl that I KNOW has a real-life boyfriend, especially if its a guy I know.  I think a lot of guys enjoy the sessions more if they think the girl in ONLY into them.  Knowledge of an outside boyfriend pretty much kills that feeling.  

 
However, what REALLY sucks is when you think YOU'RE the outside boyfriend, but it turns out to be someone else and she was just setting you up for a hustle.

all been curious how it's going with your lady.  When it comes to being "peculiar", most Kgirls I have met had some kind of emotional baggage from before they started this kind of work.  You just have to sort it out early by getting them to open up about it, and then decide if its something you can manage to live with or whether its a dealbreaker for you.  

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I find this line of thinking very peculiar...in light of the fact that in the back of all our minds we can't help but think that the typical k-girl may average 5-8 random cocks a day. Furthermore, I know a K-girl who is a closet lesbian...I still have an exceptional time with her in the sack...and I could care less if she is only truly sexually attracted to women.

The persistent need to stroke the male ego is a bit hilarious...this reminds me of the guys who demand that a woman respect them after having dropped them a few benjis, or the guys who obsess over menu options and feel a sense of entitlement to certain activities...or the guys who complain about paying for an hour and are adamant about ensuring they use up the full 3600 seconds of the session...or the guys who haggle down rates like they're negotiating the price of a used car.  

Guys really need to play it cool...  

I have dated literally dozens of hookers, K-Girls, Thai girls, Black, White and Brown girls over the years and I have NEVER "outed" any of them as having dated me on the boards. Dating a hooker and bragging about it by naming her is a great way to get dumped, just like bragging to the world that a CBJ provider gave you a BBBJ or that a "safe" provider raw dogged you because she liked you so much is a sure way to make sure it never happens again. Not to mention that bragging that some K-girl is your girl friend and how great she is comes off very "pimpish" and off putting as well.  

 
As usual, I agree with CDL on this subject. I don't go telling anyone who might EVER be a client who I am seeing OTC, and I rarely book sessions with providers who I know are involved with someone, especially someone I know.  I don't care about the sessions she has with customers, that thought that you can't help but think about never enters my mind. I honestly don't care about other clients, but if she is actually "involved" with someone I just simply don't want to know about it. I guess we all have our quirks. lol

 
I also disagree about seeing lesbians. I love seeing women who are bi, they tend to be among the most sexually liberated and open minded women you will ever meet, but I don't knowingly see women who are ONLY into women. I know several lesbian hookers, some of them have become very good friends of mine, but I don't see them professionally. I am sure that I have been with providers who are strictly lesbian in their private lives, and as long as I can't tell they only like women, I do agree that what I don't know won't hurt me. lol

a women respect me after "dropping them a few benji's."  This comment demonstrates that many guys who THINK they know about dating a Kgirl on the outside think its about money.  I actually only demand they respect me IF they want to go out with me, and I, in turn, will respect them.  It doesn't matter if I've seen them only once, or if I have dropped thousands of dollars on this over many years.  It can't ever be a real relationship without mutual respect, and this is why most Kgirls say they have trouble having real relationships with Korean men.  They say its because Korean men are judgmental and look down on them because they are sex workers.  No matter how hard the guys try to pretend they don't mind her being a sex worker, the disrespect comes through and the girls pick up on it.  I have advised a number of my young Korean hobby friends, and its hard for them to get past the cultural bias' of them being sex worker.  Apparently girls in the trade are looked down on in Korea.  

 
GaGambler is probably the only guy on TER that has dated more Asian working girls on the outside than I have (partly because he started 30+ years before me, but that's another story - lol) and had many of those morph into real-life love relationships like I have.  I'm confident that he would agree from his own experience that when it comes to Kgirls having genuine feelings for a customer, money has little to do with it.  Either there is mutual attraction, just like with a civvie girl, or there isn't.  Money can buy an hour of sex, but it can't buy respect, and that's why dropping a few benjamins is not going to get you any.  If it was about money, then we, as boyfriends, would never hear the magic words, "You're my boyfriend now, so you don't have to pay anymore."  And not paying includes seeing them at the incall (even though they tell me not pay at the incall, I still offer the "house fee".  I don't want my girlfriend to be out of pocket a hundred or two just to fuck her boyfriend when he shows up at her work.  Lol).  

Well, I will let you know how it goes if I can ever get in to see her again...and no, i'm not sharing her name. I was actually trying to think of a scenario where that would be appropriate and couldn't come up with one. Well, if she bit my cock off during a session, I guess I would have to mention it. Though I probably wouldn't be logging in to TER for a long time if that happened.  
Thanks again everyone for the advice. I will say  this..i've been dabbling in the Sugar baby world and the more sugar babies I sleep with, the more I appreciate my K-girl. The K-girls should give clinics to the entire civilian world on how to treat a partner, how to perform in bed, etc...a master class. That's what they should do. One of those you see on Facebook.