I don't tip! I put it in all the way, balls deep!!!!
Hey so wanted to ask about this. I see that k-girls mention tipping but I don't know what the guidelines are. Are you always supposed to tip? Do you tip for special services? Is there some guideline or rule I should know? I was always under the impression the rate would include everything, but maybe I've been naive and need some educating. Also does tipping get you preferential treatment, etc?
Some guys think it results in better service. Some don't. It's as simple as that. I hope this doesn't explode into one of those raging arguments from the past - lol
I used to go by the “tip by repeating” rule.
I found it didn’t accomplish the goal that I was looking for. Both in my own mind and in the mind of the girls, I wanted there to be a significant difference between a girl that was “good enough to see again” and one that I had to (or at least badly wanted to) see again and soon.
So, I started tipping girls who made me feel compelled to see them again soon. You don’t have to tip a lot. Though some do. But 40 to 60 for a single girl or 80 to 120 for a double sends the message. And, if that girl is really one of those who fits the “see again soon” description, you’ll know by how she responds. Both right there in the moment and the next time you see her.
You’ll either see it and feel it or you won’t. And, if you don’t, then she may not be worth repeating with after all. If I get to this point, I’ll always give her one or two more shots (it usually only takes one).
I remember one top girl who I know was used to getting much larger monetary tips. But she accepted mine graciously. At the same time I could see in her eyes that she was used to more. But I also got a hint of acknowledgement and respect from her. I guessed that it was because I didn’t come off like I thought I was tipping her to buy her affection/adoration or to prove myself.
And that turned out to be correct.
Many will tell you that Korean girls come from a country where tipping is not done or expected. And that is correct. But show me a Korean girl who doesn’t know about tipping in the US who isn’t FOTB.
If you ever see top tier girls - and many do not - you’ll find that they get tipped frequently and handsomely. There are many here that aren’t interested in top tier girls. If top tier girls aren’t getting tipped anywhere near as well in one location compared to the other, guess which location they’ll be most likely to visit. And which one they are likely to decide to pass on in the future.
So, in a significant way, each of our mongering and tipping habits end up determining the type and quality of girls who visit and stay in our area.
The net is that you have to decide what you are after.
The advice I gave five years ago on this board. Rates have gone up a little, so you may want to proportionally adjust your tip. At that time, from the pushback I got, its safe to say that the majority of older Kgirl veterans did not tip. But today, I think more mongers tip than don't. Its an individual choice. I wrote a prior piece on the benefits of tipping, but I'll let you look that one up on your own.
Girls, especially kgirls, are relatively good at reading people. No, they won’t be able to do a full MBTI on you. But they are pretty good at telling what kind of monger you are.
If you just “try” tipping, the signal you send is pretty easy for a girl to read. She can tell it’s a test. And that takes away most of that good feeling you hope for from the girl when you tip her. If you’re going to do that, just be honest with yourself and don’t tip.
So, if tipping just doesn’t make sense to you. And once that money leaves your fingers you’re always wondering if you’re going to get your money’s worth. Then just don’t do it. And be satisfied with the success rate that you’re used to. You’re still getting laid. So it’s all a win.
In my old job I used to take high end customers out for dinner and drinks to talk about issues they were having. Though I never told them the reason was to talk about issues. I’d say things like “Let’s go have a meal at restaurant whatever. It’s been a while.”
My coworkers wondered why I always knew what was going on in these accounts when they sometimes didn’t hear about it. It was because they were afraid to just relax with their customers and have some fun and let the conversation happen organically. My coworkers took them out for meals. But they were always paying attention to how much money was being spent. They were always looking to make sure the customers appreciated it and gave them something in return. And no matter how hard they tried to hide it, everyone saw and felt that tension.
And frequently, the guys who treated the “tips” like that did not get the resulting open communication they were looking for.
When I talk about “game”, this is the kind of thing I’m referring to. I suspect that CDL and others are talking about the same sort of thing. But you’ll have to ask them.
The net? Tipping without the accompanying attitude/game/whatever will not give you the best result.
Also, I don’t have a problem leaving an extra $40 or more on the table even when I’ve paid up front. I just put it down, give a very slight nod of acknowledgement if they catch my eye, smile and leave.
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I've said it many times tipping is for low end workers such as waiter, waitresses, Uber drivers, etc. Some say tipping is for any service. Well then maybe we should tip our doctors, dentists and psychiatrists. How does that sound. I've never tipped and I agree with another post in this thread. The best tip is a return visit and a good review. If one good review gets them just one new customer that would be more than any tip you may be considering. Sometimes we have a tendency to overthink things.
I don't tip! I put it in all the way, balls deep!!!!
So generally, I'll say don't tip unless you really want to. If you think a tip will change her service, then likely you'll be disappointed. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't found the tip mattering much. I've had mediocre service with a tip, and a oh-my-God-my-knees-are-weak service without any tip.
And that service did not become any better when I did add a tip.
One thing about a tip and repeats-if you ever tip your repeat girl, you need to keep doing it. Otherwise she will think something is wrong if you don't tip her today but you did yesterday. This causes awkward situations. This is just my way of doing thinfs, but if I have a favorite I'd just go and once in a while or maybe before she leaves I'd give her a large one-time sum, and say that she's earned it.
Unlike in storefront amps, where tip means a lot, and haggling over service and tip is its own art (it's priceless when an old milf tells you a hj is 100 tip and then you look her in the eye and say cool and calmly just the massage then please... calling bluffs is fun), tip is never expected nor is the lack of it ever used against you.
And again, I personally have not found it making any difference on the session.
And, I never tip. I read various discussions on tipping when i was new with K-girls and at the time I gathered that tipping by repeating was the way to go, so I've just done it that way. I have seen several K-girls 2-4 or more times and if I thought they were great the first time the second and third visits were great, too. There was one exception where the service didn't improve on repeated visits, but there was something about that one that kept me coming back anyway. Hmmm. Should I have tipped her?
I saw what many will say was the queen of K-girls in L.A. more times than I saw any other K-girl. Never tipped her. Always phenomenal service.
If you want to book 2 hours instead of one, that's a good "tip".
I can't say that tipping is bad to do, but you may not get anything extra or special by doing so.
This is fairly consistent with my take as well.
your relationship with the booker than it does the girl. For the booker, you're the holy grail. He does the same amount of work, but makes twice the money. Who wouldn't like that deal? Lol
Whether two hours gets you anything with the girl depends on the girl and how you want the session to go. If you like things slow and relaxed the girl is going to respond positively to two hours. If you book two hours because you want to see if you can keep fucking her for the whole two hours, and you don't tip, then good luck getting a second date. Lol
She's going to judge it on the basis of whether the two hours with you was more or less work than seeing two different guys for an hour each. USUALLY, a two hour session is LESS work for the girl than two one hour sessions, but if its not, the girl will probably be expecting some kind of a tip for the extra effort she put in during the two hours.
Many girls that have ended up with Roger Rabbit fucking their brains out for two hour no longer accept two-hour appointments from anyone. I've had several bookers tell me when I've asked for two hours with a girl I've seen before that she no longer does two hours.
I really want to thank everyone for their feedback. I apologize and I didn't know I was opening a can of worms. I respect that everyone has their own take on the subject matter and I think this is one of those to each their own. Whether you tip or not is your business. I can see how there's different schools of thought on the subject and I haven't been as active in the hobby since lockdown. I don't know if these other factors, but some girls do wardrobe requests and also may offer more, etc. I just want to be respectful of the bookers and then especially the girls. I've always had good experiences within the k-girl community. I also wanted to see if it was standard practice, which I see it might not be. I used to work in the restaurant industry and there are just some things you pick up when you work behind the scenes. I didn't know if I was offending anyone by not tipping or if it was expecting. I hope all of you have fun mongering and I'll continue to have fun and tip or not tip on the way.
I don't think anyone was offended, and everyone kept it very civil 
I honestly dont think you need anything to apologize for.
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This is about as nice and polite a thread as you will see on this board, but then again this is not exactly known as a "nice and polite" board. lol
For the record, I "sometimes" tip, rarely in advance, and I have found that girls who give great service tend to do so regardless of whether or not you tip them and girl who give bad or mediocre service also tend to give the same service whether or not you tip them as well. I don't tip with the expectation of better service, I just tip when I like a girl or I feel she has gone the extra mile for me as my way of showing my appreciation. The only time I tip in advance is if the donation is let's say $260 and all I have are hundred dollar bills, it's not like I am going to ask for change. lol
BTW I used to live in Vegas where it sometimes seems like EVERYBODY lives on tips, I was also married to a bartender, so I do tend to over tip if anything when dining/drinking/gambling etc, but I only occasionally tip hookers, keep in mind that hookers are already VERY well paid, I will say I am more likely to tip a girl who I feel is "undercharging" her clients rather than one who is already commanding the same kind of hourly rates as the best attorneys get, but that's just me.
It’s a “tricky” issue. I used to wonder if left a tip for a good session then saw the girl again would she expect the same tip even if the session wasn’t as good? Would she be offended if the amount wasn’t the same? I overthought it. Now because I don’t see many girls more than once I just tip if the session was memorable. That’s just me...
when tipping. Once you tip, if you start repeating, you should keep tipping. That's why I always tip. If its a repeat and she is not giving me her best effort as she always does, then I will take a month or two off. I may try her again, and if she asks me why I have been away so long, I am absolutely blunt and tell her the last time I didn't think she was giving me her best service, and there are other girls who ALWAYS give me their best session possible. After that, either she steps up or she doesn't. If not, Sayonara. Never forget that THEY are the seller, and WE are the buyers. They have to make us WANT to come back.
Annyeong
I don't need to impress anyone. As long as I come to the appointment clean, fresh and not drunk, just like I come to a doctor's appointment, cmt appointment and so on, I expect to get good service
And like you've said, if you're not getting a good service, tip or no tip, just move on to another girl.
Many of us do p4p because we want sex on demand with no strings attached and don't want to play games and do busywork when we're horny.
If the girl has weak skills and those are important to you, nothing from your side will save her. Review her, let others know, and go to another girl who will give you better service.
But many would rather blame the customer for not catering to the girl or not tipping, rather than to just acknowledge subpar service. I guess it's their way to trying to save the girl's business.
And If it's a case when girl A gives you great service without being tipped ever, and girl b gives you weak service unless you tip, all things considered equal why would you go to girl b? And why wouldn't you rate her lower compared to others?
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I’m apparently more of a jerk than you are. I tip when expectations are exceeded. Period. Some girls always exceed expectations. On those rare occasions that things seem off I don’t tip. And I take a break from seeing the girl.
The one time I can remember the girl asking why she didn’t see me for a while I just raised an eyebrow and she looked at the floor. She knew.
where I did not tip at all, and it was when the session was so-bad I knew I would never be back even if she was the only Kgirl left on earth. I want to maintain my reputation with the bookers as a consistent tipper, because I want the perks that go with it. If the service is below average, then I will not repeat, but I will still tip SOMETHING, but maybe lower than my usual amount. I have told girls that if I don't tip, it means I'm not ever coming back, so in return for a tip they can bank on as soon as I walk through the door, I EXPECT the best service they have to offer.
Just curious, did you leave a public review, whether it was a board mini or a full-fledged review, for these two times?
I DID review both of them on AF when I was reviewing there. So what?
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Nothing, I just asked you whether you did. Good thing you did.
I would've liked to read them.
What perks would those be, other than prebooking and the booker's recommendation?
for me is scheduling. I must work my sessions around my business appointments. Some days i have more flexibility than others, but I have never been one to book same-day appointments, and usually I'm booking one to three days out. Most bookers don't like more than one day in advance, because shit happens and they know the farther in advance they book, the higher percentage of cancellations there will be. Oftentimes, I will book Tuesday and Thursday on the weekend. As a courtesy, I will always reconfirm 24 hours in advance, and I have only had to cancel a half dozen times in the last ten years, out of 1600+ sessions, so they are okay with my extended pre-booking.
The perk that I value the most is getting priority. This mostly becomes important when I am giving only one day notice. If I request an appointment on Wednesday afternoon for Thursday morning at 10:00, the girl will often be booked already, but the booker will say something like, "give me 20 minutes to work it out, and I'll get back to you," then they move whoever had that time to a later time or different day, so that I can get the time I want. By way of example, I wanted t see a girl I was seeing regularly, and she changed bookers. I was not a customer of the new booker yet, and he would not give me priority, so I told the girl that I could not get the time I wanted to see her because the booker would not give me priority. She told the booker that whenever I want an appointment to make it work no matter what he had to do. The next week when I booked, I tested him by asking the night before for the first session in the morning. He came right out and told me that she told him to give me priority, so he would work it out. I told him to text me a confirmation, and an hour later, he did. So Priority can come from the booker, or the girl. Most girls would rather have a customer who is going to leave a $50+ tip than a customer who is "tipping by repeating." One increases revenue for that hour, and the other one doesn't. Its not personal, just business.
I simply wasn’t going to answer this question. Because, in my experience, every time I do people start getting upset about “preferential treatment” and a heated and pointless argument ensues.
Priority is my favorite “perk” as well. But I’ve heard from others it doesn’t just come from being a 2 hour appointment tipper. Though I’ve found that’s the quickest and easiest path to it. Frequent and regular (as in “repeats”, not the opposite of constipated) can end up getting priority as well.
As you say, it is a business. No offense to the more constipated mongers intended. 
I was asked directly, and there's nothing to hide. Priority is a reality of the business. Priority comes from bookers who I am booking with 3-6 times a month, so there are only four of those right now. Other bookers that I use 3-4 times a year are not going to give me preferential treatment, which just means the same four are going to get even more of my business. I have been "bumped" before with the bookers I'm low volume with because there are other customers who are more valuable to them. I can't complain about that. Its a fact of life in this biz.
If a monger wants to get priority from BOTH a booker and his regular Kgirls, then he should be as high volume as he can afford, book two-hour sessions some of the times, and always tip the girls. If you want "perks" on a limited budget, its better to be a VIP with one or two orgs than a random "sometimes" customer with 5 or 6. If you don't care about perks, then it doesn't matter.
By stepping up with your own take, you encouraged me to expand a little more. That will deflect some of the blowback that always comes my way on this topic from the "Never-Tippers." Lol
Things must be different on the WC. I visit one place about 6-8 times a month but have yet to experience any preferential treatment from the booker. The girls, on the other hand, always treat me well lol.
kinds of perk with that volume at ONE org. If you're not, then I can only guess its because of a lack of competition. In SoCal, we have about 15-20 orgs at any given time. I'm not sure how many are currently in the BA, but its seems like its usually about 6-10 whenever I start looking for someone to see. Maybe one of the guys from NorCal can give a more accurate figure. If there are plenty of mongers and fewer agency options, the bookers don't have to treat some of their customers as VIP's to keep them coming. With limited options, where else are they going to go?
I'm kind of curious, how it might work if the time is taken by someone who tips $100 or if the $100 tipper requests a time that you have. I would guess if it's strictly money she'll go with the bigger tip. And, if it's sex she will also go with the bigger tip, lol! I also guess chemistry can be a factor. If you're well liked you would get picked for the time requested. I've been given priority, to request in advance a week or so before and that has been guaranteeing I get the time I want, but I don't think I've ever bumped anyone.
yet, I rarely tip in Cash, mostly by Repeating & Reviewing. Booker's always accept my appointment a week in advance, and simply comment 'please confirm the morning of' - and in my 20+ years, I can't recall ever being denied my appointment that I scheduled a week earlier ...
That being said, I always leave 300 unless the rare event occurs where the service was awful, even when the going regular rate is 260, so maybe I do tip in cash ... OTOH, I always receive MSOG & CIM, so from my perspective, I don't tip, lol
Is tipping communicated to the booker as doesn't the entirety of it go to the girl? Seems to me like priority status with bookers would come from frequent bookings, not tipping (if you don't have a privileged relationship with the girl in question).
You tippers, IMO, fuck it up for the budget monger.
There are two types of mongers --) millionaires and everyone else. Within the subset of everyone else, there are those of us who are heavily addicted and those of us who cannot afford more than two kgirl appointments a month.
I know me. If I go once a week, I get my itch scratched. If I go more than once a week, bad things happen in my life --) known as the Fuck Its. Why deal with some annoying customer or coworker? Fuck it, I'll go buy some pussy instead...
Hey Twoon! Get back on point...
How are you two hour, tipping mongers fucking it up for the rest of u$? Pretty obvious. You're creating a disparate playing field. You mongers don't affect me cuz I bring the fun to the kgirl. The kgirls prolly wanna session with you tipping millionaires instead of their mainstay budget mongers; so where does that leave the budget mongers who don't have game?!?!
YEMV
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I’ve heard that argument over and over for nearly 20 years. It simply doesn’t make sense.
How is it affecting you? Getting bumped occasionally? We all get bumped occasionally. Girls get sick. They decide they want to see their boyfriends. Maybe someone with an even deeper pocketbook pays for the entire day just so he can get in whenever he wants (and, yes, I’ve seen that happen multiple times),
The reality is that it hardly affects anybody at all in LA, the Bay Area or anyplace with a deep bench of kgirls. You wouldn’t even really know it was going on if guys like CDL and I didn’t fess up to it. Sure, you might suspect it. But that’s as far as it would go.
The only people who actually mess it up for any of us are those guys who are mistreating the girls or making it so that girls decide that a particular area isn’t worth visiting for the usual reasons.
So just do what all of us do. Enjoy what you can, when you can with who you can the best way that you can.
I respect your input userbro; but you are in the tipping millionaires group. I respectfully disagree with your assessment.
I don't know where you fit in the mix badgerbro, but I appreciate your support!
I don't have hard facts but my intuition tells me that given the same kgirl, you tipping millionaires generally have better sessions and leave more positive reviews... I'm interested in Rocketbro's take on my assessment.
As I said previously, I bring my A-game and generally have 96 / 100 excellent sessions.
YEMV
Thanks Twoon, I guess you mean where I am in the monetary scheme of things. I once went to a friends house and sat down on her soft overstuffed couch. She gave me some iced tea and asked if I was comfortable! I told her, I make a living!
Twoon, I am retired, plenty of time, and I am comfortable! Now I wouldn't consider myself rich, but like the service in a session or the looks of a Kgirl, I find them all at least cute on some level, it's all suggestive! I do like to session two times a week and I do like two hours with a favorite! I also tip because, I think the the Kgirls I see have it coming! Hope that helps you with an answer!
Then what in the world to you think that a “tipping millionaire” has done to make your experiences less enjoyable?
Do you not think that the fact you live in an area where there is a pretty significant number of wealthy young folk to attract more girls for you to enjoy? Or do you think that, here in the aforementioned wealthy bay area, where we also have some of the lowest prices for kgirls, that those tipping millionaires - who have been here all this time with no impact on those prices - are suddenly and magically independent of all the other things that are causing prices to rise now focusing their greedy and lustful attention on kgirls so that prices are going up?
Conversely, do you think that, if all mongers stopped tipping and became one hour, no tippers that it would have anything but a negative impact on the number and type of girls who come to our area looking to make money?
Honestly, every time this discussion has come up the final conclusion has been the same. As long as there are plenty of kgirls nobody really cares.
But you are free to believe whatever and whomever you wish.
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Twoon, I'm flattered you're interested in my input, no joke.
If you want my opinion, I personally think that the tipping clientele is actually not in majority. I have zero hard facts to support this, but this is just my speculation based on conversing with many fellow hobby-endulgers.
I don't think people tipping extra fuck it up for regular mongers, until girls actually start to expect the tip, ie mongers feeding the feedback loop of a GPS engine.
I certainly don't like mongers getting bumped for VIP mongers. But this doesn't have much to do with tipping. If a girl cancels an appointment of same length to schedule with a a vip monger for same length, I sure hope the girl wouldn't get more business.
I hope it leaves them enjoying the Kgirl scene! On whatever level or to the best of their ability that they can with the resources they have! I'd hate to think anyone wasn't getting the best & most fun out of seeing these wonderful Kgirls! If it's once a month or every hour, I always tell myself, self, no scratch that! I say don't get greedy and I am more then happy with my situation in the Kgirl world!
I don't really tip, but I wonder if I've been doing it implicitly as I'm basically leaving a $60-$80 tip every session due to the difference in price between the EC and WC...