This topic is old hat between those who prefer BBFS and those that like to play safe. I don't judge either side. People decide how they want to hobby and so do providers. Some of you will say, it's okay to get a BBBJ but absolutely no BBFS. Some of you will say I'm a total safety guy. In any of the cases, good for you. Keep doing what you do and so will the providers. If you think that you are playing safe with a provider that includes BBBJ & BBFS and there is zero risk to you even if both are covered, then what you are simply doing is mitigating the level of risk. This hobby is a risk on many fronts. Some of you will take PreP and Doxy and believe you are being safe. While that does protect somewhat from HIV and STD's, nothing is 100% safe.
For the sake of this thread and this topic, let's let people decide for themselves without judgement and criticism how they want to hobby. If you are judging mongers for doing BBFS, please stay away from providers that offer it too. Condoms are not 100% either so if you are one of those that are "safety men" but seeing BBFS providers, I would rethink your position on this hobby.Is that we're slowly (at least in my neck of the woods) stopping propping up girls simply because they went bare.
As recent as a couple of years or even a year ago, you could be a bbfs girl with weak service and attitude and just because you went bare, it was forgiven.
Not anymore! Since most girls go bare now, the novelty of just being lazy and offering BB went away. So now girls need to again compete and things like service and attitude really matter.
It's definitely a win for service-seeking guys like myself. Nothing worse than a girl with GPS who thinks shes the shit for offering bare.
“Interesting” theory, to say the least.
Name one long time BBFS girl who you think had upped their game because there’s more BBFS competition.
If that’s not possible then name one long time highly rated BBFS girl whose scores have dropped now that BBFS mongers have access to a bigger number of BBFS providers.
Just so that people understand... It used to be kinda similar to girls who are lookers
Even on this forum people have said, to appease girls who are hot we must give them great service grade even if they don't give great service. To keep them here. I am paraphrasing but this is a common sentiment.
It used to be similar to that with new bbfs girls. They'd get inflated grades simply because they offered bare and their blemishes would be glossed over.
Now with like 80%+ girls offering bare its not a novelty anymore so them offering bbfs isn't a factor anymore. We can say it's priced in or baked in. I also would think its same in LA and even NoVa if you have upcharges, because you're paying extra for it. But not sure.
As far as names go, sure. You can go look at my review for Ginna, whom Ive seen with no reviews anywhere and a toftt. She didn't last too long. A couple of years ago she'd prolly get much better grades because she went bare.
girl he can name in support of his premise is one with no reviews. How convenient. Lol
Even though you gave him two different categories, I guess he can't name any . . . . except Ginna, whoever that is. Lol
I just had to shake my head when I read his attempt of a reply.
It's ironic that you seem to throw comprehension out of the window when I attempt to clarify my point, yet when it comes to SMS programs, you know exactly what I'm talking about and you run to snitch. God forbid someone disrupts the biz. Lol.
Once again, my post was that NEW girls coming in can't be lazy and half-ass service just doing bare. Because they are going to get bad reviews. Because bbfs here in the bay is so normalized, people view it as a given. And girls don't get brownie points just for taking it in bare.
If you want to do an exercise, take bay area girls scores who do bbfs, and look at their average score versus scores of such girls three years ago. I'm not sure how you'd do that unless you have a database, but maybe you have a way
I say it as someone who keeps a constant eyes on reviews.
Reviews have names. Look at the top left corner of the review. That should make it easy for you to name some girls to support your premise that they are upping their game because of the competition on BBFS . . . . . unless you're just speculating.
For years, many reviewers have given undeservedly high scores to BBFS, but then in the narrative, they don't point to anything to justify it EXCEPT the fact that they were allowed BBFS-CIP. Some even complain that, except for the BBFS, there was nothing noteworthy about the session, yet she still gets a 9 for service.
You didn't even understand what I wrote.
I said, look at my review of Ginna.
If you are unable to look at my reviews of Ginna for some reason - perhaps it's the onset of dementia? -
Here is the profile:
https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/ginna-4084775788-379441
She does bare, yet people weren't scared to give her bad grades. A few years ago people would given her great grades just cuz she would go bare.
and read on a couple of forums is that Mongers are praising girls for service, attitude, chemistry and looks!
BBFS or CFS has nothing to do with it.
Also, the donation comes into play!
Guys will put up with average or lower service if the Kgirl is really in her 20's or is a beauty.
Right but this wasn't the case a few years back. Which is where I actually agree with cdl in that some girls would get their scores lowered if they didnt offer bbfs and vice versa. Which was unfair to girls in the first place.
I think more than a few have commented here over the years that without the looks it really doesn't matter to them what the performance is; they just don't find satisfaction without the looks. I think the claim that looks and performance are easily separated for everyone is fallacious. After all, I think it's been claimed that much of an orgasm is more psychological than purely physical -- at least in the sense of orgasm != ejaculation.
From that view I find it well in the realm of reasonable credibility that a lot of guys giving good performance scores to women most find very attractive while others who don't care about looks and will give lower performance scores for the exact same performance.
But I do agree with your assessment that in most cases BBFS or CFS don't have a large a impact on skewing perception of performance towards a higher score.
being psychological, I would say it's connected to your libido, which it's said, as you get older it's not as strong.
I guess that's why a lot of older Mongers say it takes longer for them to cum, me included.
When you're young you could cum faster with a quicker recovery time.
Be smart, don't go bare.
Let your booker know that you don't like going bare. They (and the girls) need to know that there is enough of a market of people who like being safe.
Even people in 3rd world countries are smarter than the fools on this site who go bare with working girls. In response to my post, you'll hear soon from the vocal fools on this site who promote going bare.
Their logic is "some people who wear seatbelts die, so no one needs to wear seat belts. If you're so concerned about safety, don't ever sit in a car".
https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=47240&boardID=10&page
It is crazy how the K-hoes have gone crazy offering BBFS since Covid-19. It is a risky game if you ask me; riskier for the girls than the guys. They have a high chance of getting common STD with every 100 client which is once every three weeks.
you might be attacked for using the term STD^^!
LMAO!!! Priceless!!
are more likely than their customers to put themselves on the bench if they catch something from a customer, but since the incubation period can me several days to over a week for some infections, there is still a likelihood that a Kgirl would infect multiple customers BEFORE they even know they have it. Therein lies the problem because of the high-volume business model.
I often cringe when I read on other discussion board sites posts from guys who say they have had drippy-dick for a week or more and finalize realize they may need some kind of treatment. Because it may not be painful enough to stop screwing, they think they can just go about their hobbying and it will eventually go away the way a cold does. I think there is just as much danger from idiot customers like these than from the Kgirls.
Any moron who argues that "some people who wear seatbelts die, so no one needs to wear seat belts. If you're so concerned about safety, don't ever sit in a car", deserves STD infection or to be caught in a LE sting. i don't say that maliciously, i'm just saying that people like that cause more issues, circulate more disease and infection with that type of ignorance and the only way for them to learn is the hard way unfortunately. In this hobby, safety and mitigation IS on a sliding scale.
I asked a booker, who was pushing me to pay more for bare, if I could see the girls most recent tests. They dodged the question. I offered to pay for an overnight with two girls if they had a one day test the day before and showed me the results. I was told they get tested monthly. That's a lot of dudes between you and the most recent test.
Keep it safe, you want a regular girl for bare, get a gf or sb
to know which Booker was pushing you.
Never had that happen to me, the Bookers I deal with only quote the rates and it's up to me what I want.
Just give an initial of the name they use or the last four of the phone number.
Or a PM would work too.
the word "recent" means very little in the way of assurance on test results. At 5-6 customers per day average, a test two days ago may not be recent enough. Lol
This topic is old hat between those who prefer BBFS and those that like to play safe. I don't judge either side. People decide how they want to hobby and so do providers. Some of you will say, it's okay to get a BBBJ but absolutely no BBFS. Some of you will say I'm a total safety guy. In any of the cases, good for you. Keep doing what you do and so will the providers. If you think that you are playing safe with a provider that includes BBBJ & BBFS and there is zero risk to you even if both are covered, then what you are simply doing is mitigating the level of risk. This hobby is a risk on many fronts. Some of you will take PreP and Doxy and believe you are being safe. While that does protect somewhat from HIV and STD's, nothing is 100% safe.
For the sake of this thread and this topic, let's let people decide for themselves without judgement and criticism how they want to hobby. If you are judging mongers for doing BBFS, please stay away from providers that offer it too. Condoms are not 100% either so if you are one of those that are "safety men" but seeing BBFS providers, I would rethink your position on this hobby.
I gave the same message a couple of times and, IMO, it was totally misunderstood!
I hope your post is clear to those that can't get it!
Two thumbs up!!
P2P Camel Slide.
That was another part of the session I asked about, did they do P2P without a cover, and received some pretty stupid replies!
You are right on about the risk factor.
Even seeing GFE only Kgirls they don't take into consideration, a BF, UTR special BB clients, or maybe they are just out partying and meet that one guy with looks and charm!
Plus, they have plenty of Soju in them^^!
that "one guy with looks and charm" does not go out to clubs that often anymore. Lol
you UTR, but the cool cat is out of the bag^^!
Ask any Kgirl, "that one guy with looks and charm" is Captain Renault.
Yes! You have to consider that K-Girl system is highly efficient and a popular K-Girl get cream 10 times a day for 22 days per month which is about 200+ CIP. Not even the street prostitute get that kind of foot traffic!
It is highly risky in terms of Chlamydia and Gonorrhea and particularly HPV.
....to least of two lousy BBFS providers that are no longer in service, you don't need to look any further than Erica and Eva. While Erica was pretty, she had all different sort of cock blocking technique and Eva had only a very nice body and AMP looking face with very little skill. I had 3x with each and both were mediocre service with edge to Erica on trying to at least give her best effort while Eva was just a blow up doll just opening up her legs.
On contrary, girls like Niya, Sunny or Ari who are CFS and BBFS fuck great with or without condom.
It is either they have it in their DNA or they don't.
Just looked at my own notes, and I've had BBFS (CIP) with 51 Kgirls over the past few years. I get tested regularly, and the results always come back clean. The worse that has happened: one time I got a UTI that sucked (wasn't an STD [got tested]), and another time I got strep throat (wasn't an STD [got tested]). Both of these were cleared up with a single round of antibiotics, and life went on.
I take care of myself otherwise and have a pretty good immune system. YOU may not, and should take precautions that fit your own risk tolerance.