Discuss.

sag

By the look?  Age?  Service provided?  Or is it because you have seen all of them (tough to do).  Or no new blood?  

for $300 you are getting the same service you paid $200 for in 2020 when you started posting here.  Prices have gone up substantially, partially due to the lack of business during 20-21 due to the pandemic, and the years since 2020 have been highly inflationary for everything we consume, even pussy.  

 
Another possibility is that if you are seeing BBFS girls, they keep raising their prices independent of the rest of the market, while scrimping on the service.  Why?  Because they can charge more for less service.    BBFS girls have learned that customers who are seeing them are willing to pay the fee just for the privilege of going bare with a cream pie and are not incentivized to provide much else in the way of service.  Whereas the GFE-only girls must have above-average skills in order to be competitive.  

is that Sag is not a happy boy these days.

 
While I'm not in that area so really don't have a good take on the situation for you I'll toss out a few thoughts/questions/ideas (not sure what I want to call them).

Are you saying all the K-girls you would consider paying 300 to see are not in the area (at least right now)?
Are you saying some used to be but not now? If so, what made them leave and are they expected back?
Are you saying no one should be paying 300? (Kind of impossible imposition on one's values on others)
Are you saying the market is out of equilibrium and the price too high for clearing? (Any particular support for the claim?)
Are you saying the value of $300 is/should be the same for everyone?

 
But as the other commenter notes, do you have some specific aspects/characteristics of K-girls on which you're making you assessment -- looks, age, service quality or type (i.e., difference between PSE session and GFE session, IOP and IOI...), what specific activities they offer (RIM, BB, CIM...)?

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Price-up
Upselling/extra fees-up
Actual good talent per org-down
Overall quality-down
B&S level misrepresentation-up
Traveling talent-up
Overall value-down

Just my feelings, but I’m not the only one mentioning c-orgs becoming a good bet for the money.

sag

c-orgs sucks here.  super overcharge.  bad room conditions.  
if you think kgirls are down.  c girls are in the toilet.  bad attitude, lousy services, way overcharge.  300/500 and additionals.  c orgs overcharge on jgirls too.  plus overcharge on jgirl additional services.
 
blame trump for talent level....  

BS level misrepresentation, c orgs are worse than k orgs.  

Traveling talent, isn't that a good thing?  

for the money, but the kind of girls we get in that market are generally nowhere near as pretty as the average Kgirl.  This may sound contradictory coming from me, because I have always prioritized service over looks, but while my standards may be a little lower for looks because of this, my "bar" is still higher than what the average C-girl can achieve, even with makeup.  

 
I also have to consider that, while K-girls that come here usually have salon experience in providing for money in an entertaining and engaging way, most C-girls don't have any idea how to keep it flirty while taking care of their customers because they don't have much personality, comparatively speaking.  They will get you off, but often not much better than you could have done yourself.  That's why they more often populate AMP's (at a significantly lower price point) rather than apartment incalls.  

Sag, does "traveling talent-up" mean the visiting girls are better option in the BA than the local girls or that the talent is traveling elsewhere so more traveling means poorer options locally.

 
No idea about BA but here in DMV the C-agencies are definitely second (or third) tier agencies compared to the K-agencies here, and I agree with pretty much all the points teamb made about them (and also found that to be the case up in Canada). I suppose it's good that you have some options you think offer you value though.

here in SoCal.  Hit and miss on new Kgirls in LA and OC that start at 320-340.

In the bay area we basically have two kinds of corgs (as storefront amps are not orgs they don't count)

One is similar to what others have in socal. It's cgirls who are on average younger than average kgirls. They typically are cfs and they typically charge more than korgs while having worse service. They typically have a papasan, they often take customers in residential houses and they also tend to get busted somewhat often.

 
Well, given that sag is a bbfs kind of guy, I'd venture he is likely talking about the other corgs in the bay area, which are typically motel corgs. Most girls are in very seedy/cheap motels and are closer to gilf if not gilf already. They have no screening aside from no AA policy. They live in motels and rotate every two weeks to another motel.  

 
For those orgs, unlike the former, the price have remained the same for last half a decade since covid.  

120hh/160hr with +40 bb and +80 Greek upcharges.

 
Now yes you get what you pay for, and imo most corg gilfs aren't worth a repeat visit unless you really fiending for uncovered Greek. They are on average a lot older, in worse shape and have worse attitude than kgirls. Very little iop out there.  

With that said, there are a couple of girls who don't do Greek but arent complete wrinkled grannies and who do good service with iop.  

 
So I can see how the very very top girls at these corg gilf orgs can be of better value nowadays with many korgs letting kgirls upcharge. Lele is a well known corg queen and yeah she's in her 40s but you paying 200 for an hr+bb is 50% cheaper than a 40 year old kgirl you pay 320 and +40 for msog.  

As far as service+looks combo is concerned, top kgirls is still where it's at.  

 
Right now the orgs left that are at 300 and don't upcharge are Caras (sometimes exceptions but generally no upcharges) Violas, LSC, LKS and Lesh Angels. The first three are stalwarts and are some of foundational pillars. Lsc is def the most old school where it is ran by a heavy hand and in a tight ship manner.

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Gimme a break! SF and surrounding areas have some of the top reasonably priced providers in the country! Every time I have visited with the intent to find a hottie, I’ve succeeded! For god’s sake, a good bbbjcim is worth $300! i don’t think you’re doing your homework!

There seems to be talent freeze in the East Bay.

Dude they are the same girls who come down here and charge more lol.