A Cautionary Tale

Good advice and not only here. Paying too much upfront in real life activities will burn you quickly as well.

Your particular story wasn't an example of you being ripped off though. You were paying 250 for a 3/hr visit and 600 for overnight visit, and you're complaining that the kgirl only saw you once after giving her 1k.  

If both sides agree on a price and pay it multiple times, that is not lowballing. If the girl thought it was lowballing, she is always free to not take the offer.  

here over the last five years  that have discussed the various ways Kgirls hustle their customers.  They are experts at setting up a con, and $15-20,000 is the usual range for the "payoff."   They all turn out the same way, the guy pays, the girl disappears with the money to another city, with a new name, and new phone number.  I used to get PM's all the time from younger guys asking what they could do about it.  All I could tell them is to learn from their mistakes and try not to fall for the next one.

all the guys talk about I wanna date a kgirl or marry one and etc. They know absolutely nothing about that kgirl excepts her vagina is the best thing that ever happened to them! I've known several kgirls who's background would make you think wtf is wrong with them? SMH.
I know of 2 veteran kgirls actively working right now who could be deported any day if caught. There Visas's expired 8 and 9 years ago. They're just going day by day.  

Yep. Even I draw the line past the OTC part.

It doesn't happen exclusively with kgirls either.

You say mine is NOT a ripoff story.

So true!

for married guys that fall in love with Kgirls.  Once they divorce their wife, they only have half or less of the net worth they had before, so they don't look that attractive to the Kgirl anymore.  Show up on a Kgirl's doorstep and ask if you can stay with her for a few days because your wife threw you out, and see what kind of reception you get.  If you have had a really good relationship with her in the past, she might give you a hundred dollars and tell you, "Here's cab fare to go anywhere you want in the city . . . . . as long as its not here."

why mongers need to have emotional maturity and discipline have we had here because people keep falling.

Eh... "very practical and pragmatic, with a serious potential for opportunism." is just sugar coating the words "con [wo]men".

turn over the money at the incall, without ever getting an outside OTC date.  

I know one who has a couple six figure watches in her jewelry box, but with the covid-19 situation, her bank account is running nearly empty and rent is due in two weeks.

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I get why mongers fall prey to to the kgirl's sob story tactic.  I get it!  I lived it!!  I'm into her.  The sex is magical.  I trust her.  Why?  Because of our shared intimacy.  My side intimacy.  Her side, her job.  When she sweet talks me, I feel like I've won THE Golden Ticket to Wonka Land.  She has a unique way of making me feel SPECIAL.

When the girls first come here in their early 30's, they start making two or three times what they made in the Seoul salons and they think its never going to end.  Many borrow money from the Ktown loan sharks at extortionate rates because they think they can pay it off quickly because they are pulling in $5-8000 a week.  (Ktown loan sharks loan them money in ten thousand dollar increments, and the girls pay it back at $1000 a week for 13 weeks, so there is $3000 interest for roughly a 90-day loan.  That's an interest rate of 120% a year!!!  Many get started borrowing and never get out of debt with these guys.  

Illusion of Passion and Illusion of Intimacy.

BINGO!!!!!

went on to become outside real-life girlfriends often brag about what great actresses they are and that's why they have so many regulars.  Most of the education I have gotten into the Kgirl POV is from their openness once our relationship has moved to the outside.  A lot of these "confessions" about business practices and tactics come in the beginning when they have concerns I will be jealous of their customers.  Jealousy of customer contact is the main reason most outside relationships don't last very long.  This is why its not a good option for guys who are the jealous types and don't understand the REAL nature of the customer/provider interactions.   When I explain my own POV about their work, it puts them completely at ease, and then they are even more forthcoming about all the tricks working girls use to work over their customers for extra dough.  Its been a real education over the past 8-9 years.  

I think most of you are familiar with my "numbers" without boring everyone with a rehash of them suffice it to say I have a LOT of experience in these matters and sometimes even I get fooled. The key of course is to not "stay fooled" and end up falling into unrequited love with any of these girls.

I've recently returned to the kgirl game after taking a long hiatus. I mainly saw touring pornstars in NYC and would occasionally hit up an AMP when I needed a quick release, but because no pornstars are touring and NYC is dead right now, I decided to go local. I've probably seen more kgirls in the past few COVID months than I have in the past 2 years combined. With this return, I've been able to become friendly with a few of them. They've never asked me for anything. They never pressured me to see them at work. If we order food or go out (patio seating), they demand that they pay. Becoming FRIENDS with a kgirl is easy for me because I'm Korean, actually can speak it, and, most importantly, I don't give off the creepy vibe that kgirls can recognize as being your attempts at trying to get free pussy. They already fuck 5-10 dudes a day, you think they're going to put up with it for free just because you're nice to them? The stories they tell me about some of your lame attempts.... SMDH.  

One of these days, I would like to hear about your most memorable porn-star encounter.  

I thought it wasn't ok to come on my thread and flame me?  How do I get his post removed from my thread??  Very disrespectful.  And my experience is kgirls don't like to session with mongers who are of Korean ethnicity because they are assholes, present company included.

I am pretty sure nearly every K-girl monger has fallen under the act. It is what most of us pay for. Then we forget that we are paying for that. lol We even have that for one of the scoring option!

Where is the flame?  He is on topic and provided additional information based on his own knowledge and experience.  Just because it might be different that YOUR experience doesn't mean he's flaming you.  TER is one of the only discussion sites that gives a wide berth to free speech rights. Most are full of admin censorship.  

I am a guest here and will act as such.

Simple get a thread that is really your own. This thread is most definitely not YOUR thread. Any poster can come on her and make any kind of comment he/she wants to as long as its within the rules and James most certainly did NOT break any rules in his reply.

First, I do not pretend to be a Korean or know all about Koreans.  
I did spend about 20 plus years based here in CA but working with Asian (primarily Japanese and Korean) companies. I found myself strongly biased towards working with Koreans because of their education level, work ethic and eventually my friends there.
Korea is the only culture I know out of all the countries I’ve visited and worked in (about 20 so far) that has such a strong culture around what I’ll call “cute girls”.  
Take a look at the gwiyomi video I attached. Notice the competition between girls at coming up with the cutest way to present this song.  
Also take note of the word aegyo, and it’s origin and meaning.  
I think it’s our own fault when we take a Korean girl who is just using a little aegyo and playing cute and sweet too seriously. This is something that many Korean girls do in their daily life. Some only a little. Some a lot. Some none at all. But all of them are exposed to it. A lot.
My point is that they have plenty of role models to follow who are world class experts at acting cute and sweet. Just look at all those actresses in kdrama romantic comedies.  
So, you take a Korean girl who has a job of making men feel that they are with a cute gIrl who likes them. What’s the first thing they’re going to automatically consider breaking out? A little bit of that Korean cute girl culture. It will vary highly of course, depending on the girl. These are individual people and there are no hard and fast rules that apply to all.  
So, along with the fact that many of these k-girls are what you might call party girls, and always living at or beyond the limit of their means, you have many who have found that Korean gwiyomi culture is a powerful tool available to her to increase her income.
Every time your favorite K-girl is making you feel like king of the world, I would suggest that it is a good idea to remember she’s had a lot of practice at doing that. And it is almost certainly not something she only does for you.
In my experience with Korean women in the workplace I’ve found that the way most Korean women show you they like you is by  doing things like making sure you’ve eaten or gotten enough sleep. They’ll bring you food that you mentioned you liked. They’ll take over some details at work so you can go home. They’ll stick up for you in an argument. But it is highly unusual that they will break out the aegyo when they actually have feelings for you. That is typically not what it is used for.  
It took this slow old white guy a while to figure out that office girls who brought me food (with no flirting at all) were expressing interest in me. Fortunately, one of my male Korean friends explained it to me.  
I recommend just enjoying the act for what it is. It’s just an act. Thank them for their performance. And walk away.
Still, this is just my experience.  

They know the married guy who is professing his love for her has been cheating on his present wife for years. Only a stupid woman would expect him to be faithful to her once he finally divorces his current wife and as I said, K-Girls are rarely stupid. They just do it to him before he has an opportunity to do it to them. lol

on various boards here, and someone always falls for it and sets me up.  I will make a comment about how Handsome / studly / good at DATY / big dick /  etc., I am, and someone will ask me how I know this, and I will answer . . . .  
"Because the girls I'm paying for sex tell me!!!!!!!"   Lol

To all those concerned, I apologize if anyone was offended by my posting(s).  I'm better than no other monger; and likewise, no monger is better than me.

Not sure if you misspelled cum or here due to the distraction.

not a "guest", and you have the same rights as everyone else to decide when and where to post and what to say in those posts.  No one can tell you what you can't say here, just as you can't tell them.  This is the most egalitarian pussy discussion board on the internet.  Enjoy the free speech here.  You don't get it other places, including social media.  The threshold for "flaming" is pretty high, and this board is usually more civil than others on TER.  If TER removes an individual post, its more likely because its off topic for the thread than being inflammatory.  Just my own experience (Yes, I have had a few removed, but those were years ago.  Lol)

There's a few encounters that come to mind. Thank God I don't live in LA... I would be seeing pornstars left and right and the only time I would ever see a kgirl would be when I go to Korea LOL.

The OP only has the "ability" to take down his entire thread during the four hour window in which he has the ability to edit his post, once that window has closed he has no more right to have the thread taken down than any other poster although several posters, like your good friend BPOS has been known to go whining to Admin to have a thread taken down after getting his ass kicked on the thread he started. Another one of your good buddies who FollowMe likes to refer to as "PostPullerJake" also has the very same reputation.

I'm very familiar with the Seoul salons, where most of our Kgirls earn their stripes.  They get a commission on the food and drink bought by the group of guys they are hosting, and usually single out one guy to go back to his hotel afterward for P4P.  She plies him with her cutesy charms all evening to get the price up.  A lot of their talents for making us feel so special were perfected during their salon days.  

EXACTLY!!! Kgirls, especially the older one's, are so jaded by this crap. You don't think that she's been offered $10K to spend a weekend in Jeju Island when she was working in a room salon? You don't think she gets these offers now??  

Why the fuck do you think you need to apologize for being alive here 2on? Seriously.

Not trying to flame you personally. My bluntness comes from this topic having been repeated multiple times here and guys still not learning. The number 1 rule in pooning is do your research. And then some guy comes on and makes a pity post about how he got robbed by seeing some random chick he found on a sketchy ad site. It's his own fault. Plain and simple.

I have been able to remove a post of my own at any point in the thread on a few occasions (not because I'm getting my ass kicked, but because I posted on the wrong thread or in the wrong place) and it was AFTER the four-hour edit period.  So is there different rules for an OP than there is for a post further down a thread as far as removal?  

"However, I had no idea this same kind of "cuteness" and manipulation was part of the social culture of non-working girls as well.  It makes perfect sense if they are exposed to it all of their formative teenage years, and learn that it can get them things from boys and men, that they would continue it as long as it keep paying off for them."

Isn't that one of the polite inquiries when you show up as a quest?  

I can’t remember how to say it in Korean. But there’s a Korean girl line you *never* want to hear. And you don’t have to worry about not understanding. Because most of them can say this in English just fine.  
“Be a man.”
I remember the first time I heard a Korean girl telling off a soon-to-be-ex boyfriend on the street in Seoul (it wasn’t the last time I witnessed something like that). I asked the Korean girl I was with to translate. She was a bit embarrassed. But she did. Apparently the tirade included the above and a long list of reasons why he couldn’t consider himself to be of the male gender.
In my experience, most Korean women have relatively strong ideas about what a man is supposed to be. Not that it is the same male ideal for all of them. Just that most of them that I have met have strong opinions on the subject.  
But one relatively consistent part of the Korean woman’s idea of what makes a man, again just my experience, is that he takes care of business. I’ve seen or heard of more than a couple of regular, non-kgirl Korean wives leaving their husbands because he wasn’t taking care of business.  
Of course, there are always exceptions.  
The point is, if you think an act from you of being sweet and romantic and giving in to your kgirl’s wishes is endearing you to her, it is highly likely that you are mistaken. They like sweet and romantic. But only so far and usually they have to invite it in some way first.  
The rule I always try to follow with Asian women, and Koreans in particular is “be a man”.  
On the “have you eaten?” topic:  
I had a kgirl favorite for a long time. We eventually became friends. She had the ability to wear me out on occasion as she was one of the most high energy girls I’ve ever met. The first time that happened she saw that I was drowsy and started asking me if I was eating enough, getting enough sleep, etc.  
As I was leaving she said:
“Go home. Get sleep. Drink water. Take Maca powder. And bring that big dick to me tomorrow!” And, yes, she’s the one who got me started taking Maca powder. Turns out Maca can be very good at enabling your body to replenish glycogen stores. And it also tends to boost semen production and overall libido. All good things.  
It’s amazing what you can learn from a kgirl.

may have an ulterior motive if she want's you for her baby daddy.  Just sayin. Lol

So back on the donkey, the forum had a unique (and shitty imo) ability for all thread starters to delete any post they didn't like in their thread. You can imagine the problems it would create. Shills and bookers masquerading as mongers deleting any negative feedback about the girl they were advertising, etc. So at some point people would only post in threads started by people who weren't known to delete posts.  

it was a Cesspool.  It was not conducive to free speech.  It puts censorship arbitrarily in the hands of people who are not qualified to say whether posting rules were broken or not, so there is too much opportunity for abuse of that privilege.  Same thing with the STD site.  They have a Nazi-moderator who will take anything down he doesn't like.  They say there are rules, but they are broad and only open to HIS interpretation.  Its another place where posting is a waste of time because you always have to measure your words in a way to avoid censorship by the Nazi.  

Seems one thing we do agree on is free speech. I am often frustrated by your posts, but I never think that yours or anyone else's posts should be censored or deleted. It's pretty disrespectful to write a post only to find out the thread owner said fuck it and deleted it. Especially since you and I write a lot. Donkey is the first site I started saving every post I'd make, as well as every review.  

which shut down in mid-2015.  I had just over 400 reviews there, second highest in the country, and didn't save a copy of any of them.  Lost them all because the closure was so abrupt.  Glad you had the foresight to save everything.  I wrongfully assumed I would always be able to access them as long as I belonged to the site.  None of my reviews were cross-posted on TER because TER rules don't allow reviews to be posted elsewhere.  Some guys ignore that, but I didn't want to get banned from TER because I was a high-profile reviewer and would have surely been caught. That means now that I'm reviewing on TER, its exclusive, and the only place anyone can read my reviews.  

I actually made a mistake on donkey not scraping everything because I'd assumed reviews would stay. When they purged those reviews, most kmongers lost almost all of their reviews.

Unfortunately, a lot of young, rich Korean guys are just pansies. They think that because they have money (I mean their parents have money) that they can get any girl they want. They play off like their badasses, but once shit gets real, they turn into whiny little bitches. Girls will hang out with those guys at first because it's fun, but once they start acting like little bitches, the girls split. What you're referring to might be "namja majeo?" which translates to "are you a man?" It totally emasculates a guy. What's even worse are the rich young Chinese FOBs... the absolute worst. I've definitely bitch-slapped a few when I was in university because they thought in their delusional mind that nothing would happen to them... um, this is America buddy where your rich parents can't do shit. I'm not going to lie... whenever a kgirl tells me she ripped off a Chinese pansy, I laugh so hard.  

Yup. “Taking care of business” is exactly what I thought I said was meant by that whole “be a man” thing (which I’ve heard kgirls say in English when talking about some guys) .
I apologize if I said it in a way that didn’t make the point I intended.

GaG and I have discussed so many times on this board in the past.  You have to treat Kgirls the same way you do civvie girls.  Otherwise, its not real TO THEM.  They are used to being put up an a pedestal and fawned over at work, but in their real lives, they just want a normal relationship.  

Absolutely agree. There's a certain level of GENUINE respect that needs to be shown and kgirls have been in the biz long enough to know when that respect comes with strings attached. When she knows that she's getting jerked around or a guy is trying to get sweet with her in the hopes of getting some free pussy, she'll decide just how much she's going to milk him for and which unni to call to when she's ready to disappear.  

Rule of thumb when dealing with women, providers or not: you can GIVE them money, but you can't LOAN them money. Assume ANY money you give them is either a gift or for services rendered immediately upon payment. If you don't get it right away, you will never get it.