Since we in America get 'over the hill' kgirls who are no longer desirable in korea, what do they do to make a living when they go back to korea?

Anyone ever chat with them about this?

Have chatted with many and even visited a few in Korea.  I have a phone full of +82 phone numbers.  Lol

they are all different.  a lot say they are going back to korea but they don't.  when things slow down here , they go work at places like canada and hong kong where the quality can be on a lower level and still  make money.  some are true dead end drifters much like any dead end youngster here in the US and some really came to make money for a business or schooling.

no way to ponder what "they" do with their free time like they are the same person.  

They're all different really... Some will go back to Korea once they reach their "magic number." With it, they pretty much create a new identity and start fresh. Some will go to college. For those that already went to college, they'll join the workforce and use their "work experience" in the US/Canada as a good push for their resume. And because employers in Korea only hire attractive people, they will easily get the job. Others use this fresh start and good amount of cash to simply find husband and settle down.  

The true hustlers (the one's you think love you, but really are totally playing you) will go for the marriage greencard. In fact, quite a few of your favorite kgirls are greencard holders and are technically "married." If you ever notice why she doesn't visit Korea or always goes on vacation somewhere in the States, it's because she can't leave the country yet during the greencard period. Once they're naturalized, they'll try to become a small business owner (usually a salon or something) and hope to find a good husband (after divorcing the greencard one).  

And for the one's that are so deep into the life, once they reach a certain age, they'll end up becoming agency owners/managers themselves.

Only discounting part about the green card.

 
Having a Green Card does play no factor for holder to leave country as much as want, if you keep a US address.  

 
There are many reasons a person can get a Green Card but what talking about here is marriage. If you are married to US citizen and stay married, and US citizen not file separation or revoke the affidavit of support the first green card is good usually 2 years. After proof the circumstances are the same when time for renewal second green card good for 10 years. But the green card holder is eligible for US citizen test after the first 5 years.

 
I have a several family and friends who have green card and they travel in and out of US several times a year. In fact several of us leave for Asia next week and return in a month. Also the K-girls can come and go as they please with or without green card as they don't even need a Visa for short stay. All K-girls that come to US hold South Korean citizen passport, as North Korean passport requires special visa.

 
I think sometimes when you see K-girls that don't go home part of that problem is afford it. They can easy afford to get home, its getting back can be little difficult. Be honest, always you will meet some providers manage their money and some providers spend like crazy. No different than men. When you make lot of money people sometimes spend lot of money. 6k USD for a purse, 3K USD for a shoes, even have seen 200.00 USD for a panty. I think many other reasons also, they like it here, they make lots money to be able to buy things, they support family back in S. Korea, the list goes on.  

 
Just wanted clear up green card process, my two cent.

 
What they do when they get home I cant comment, I have no idea

Christine

information provided by JK and Christine.  

Most girls come here with a goal in mind.  The most common is to make enough to pay off their family's debts.  I would say fully 70-80% come here solely for that purpose, to retire either personal or family debts.  Another common reason is finding herself suddenly a single mother.  Grandparents watch the kid(s) while she works here for 90 days.  The visa waiver program allows two 90 day visits to the US every two years without applying for a visa.  That's where we get our "90-day wonders" and why most of them come back six months later for another 90 days.  If they want to come more often, or stay longer, then they must apply to the US Consulate for a visa.  I have known girls that easily got a one-year visa if they had a relative (sister, brother, aunt, uncle, etc.) who was already here and a green card holder.  Educational visas are five years but nearly impossible to get for girls over 26 unless its a specialized training program rather than just a general college degree.  

Other girls have goals that are going to take longer, and if they come for 90 days and overstay, then they are subject to deportation if caught.  Many come to make money to buy a business.  A lot of them buy hair or nail salons when they get home, open up coffee shops, or bars, or other service-type small businesses.  I know one that got her international certification as a pilates instructor and now runs a successful exercise gym in Seoul.  Once they overstay and go home, they are usually banned from returning to the US for any reason for 5-10 years.  A close hobby friend who is UTR here met his former ATF in Paris last week for a vacation together.  She could go there, but not here.  Many times, these girls end up working for awhile in Canada while they make attempts to sneak back over the border into the US.  

The dark side is as Christine states.  Many girls find the money comes so easily they spend it like drunken sailors.  I've had girls proudly show off items like a $1000 pair of rhinestone-studded panties, $3000 shoes, etc. While they're showing me, the image flashes in my head of this girl when she's a broken down 50yo working in FS AMP giving BBFS for $80.  Its a sad place for a hot young girl to end up, but some have no common sense when it comes to the big money they make.  They think it will keep going forever.  These girls retire and then are back again in a few years because they have run through a few hundred thousand dollars they had saved.  We have more Kgirls over forty years old working now than at any time in the past.  Of course, the CV ad still says 23 years old and most Caucasian reviewers put their ages at 26-30 in their review.  Lol

There is a transition time from a visa (or visa waiver status) to green card holder.  Once you make application for the green card and while waiting for it, there are travel restrictions.  You are expected to stay in the US (why else would you be wanting a green card if you are not going to stay here.)   However you can apply for permission to travel.   But you can't stay out of the country more than a certain percentage of a year during your wait for the green card.  

Once you get a green card you can travel at will, however, if you intend to apply for citizenship, time out of the US can count against the date you may test for citizen.

Visa waiver is a program where countries allow each other citizen to visit without a VISA. It has nothing to do with green card. I think you refer to whats called adjustment of visa, or AOS.

"Adjustment of status is the process that you can use to apply for lawful permanent resident status (also known as applying for a Green Card) when you are present in the United States. This means that you may get a Green Card without having to return to your home country to complete visa processing.

If you are outside of the United States, you must obtain your visa abroad through consular processing."

 
For route to citizenship you are not expected to STAY in the US, you are expected to "reside" in the US. Vacation, travel, visiting or even explore other countries easy to do with green card. You can easy be gone 30 months in a 5 year period. But yes some of that time can be counted against citizenship, but not green card. Also not all people who get green card want to be US citizen or can become US citizen. Some of my friends and family have green cards, travel often out of country and will not or cannot be US citizen. They pay US taxes and own US property, but not US citizens. The laws are very complex.  

Christine

I don't think Souls has ever been out of Minnesota.  

Visas and visa waiver allow you into the country for a certain period.  You file for status adjustment in the visa window, and the filing allows you to remain while your green card application is processed.  During the period between application for green card and being granted a green card, you are restricted from leaving the country without permission.    You can get permission by filing, but there are limits to how long you can be out of country.  

Once you get your green card, as I said, you can travel.   But if you are gone long periods, it will delay the date you can apply for citizenship.  Some people have no interest in citizenship status.  So it doesn't matter to them.  But if you are gone a very long time you green card status can be considered abandoned.

I suspect this is one of those areas where the details really matter and there might not really be a clear answer. I did a quick search about leaving the us while waiting for a green card and seems that there is a form I-151 (if my glance was good) that must be used.  

But I'm not sure where the whole bit about waiver program or other visa types come into play. Some comments seemed to say having a valid visa would allow exit and return during the application period.

The dates on the google results were not really current so I would think things have changed recently too

My english just not good enough to try to explain.

 
Fuck it, if you have question use state.gov website. Don't google dumbass people answering questions they have no fucking clue over. Not unlike the board, everyone think they are expert on the internet. Yahoo answers not place to go, go to state.gov

Pay attention to what visa process is and who can even qualify for visa. Then pay attention to green card process and who can apply and how they issued. The answers will vary depending on if you marry a US citizen to if you seeking Asylum.  

 
Christine

Thanks for the clarification Christine! The kgirls that I got to know admitted to me that they got their greencard via marriage because it was faster and less waiting period. One particular girl told me that because it was still during her application process that she couldn't leave the country. Either I misunderstood her or she just got the wrong information.  

From my understanding, it was much easier back in the day to get a extended stay visa (whether it be because of family members or a "student" visa). But because of Trump and the tightening grip of the INS and DHS, it's getting much harder to get students visas. I guess that's why the 90 day schedule is becoming noticeable.  

And yes, you're right about the girls that spend like crazy... good God. Back in Seattle, a girl and I were hanging out and we went to Nordstroms. She said she wanted to buy some shoes and in 5 minutes she had just bought $1500 for a pair of shoes. When I told her I had my Oregon license with me and it was still valid (no sales tax), she bought another pair for $1300 and bought me a sweater for $400. This girl.... she always talks about her "magic number" but it's like a 2 steps forward, 1 step back for her lol.

Sometimes this place is like an Asylum.   LOL

You're correct, the Secretary of State website is the only place people should be getting information about federal regulations.  A lot of the so called "answer" sites have misinformation because there are people editing that don't have enough education to understand the law.  

Sometimes being "nice" just doesn't cut it.  

 
I have areas where I consider myself an expert and I get rather short with idiots who "think" they know better after a 30 second internet search on the subject. Sometimes all you can do with those people is say "fuck it" just like Christine did, although I will confess I am more likely to say FUCK YOU!!! rather than "fuck it" lol

 
I will readily concede that Christine is MUCH more likely to know what she is talking about than anyone else here on the board and I will happily defer to her expertise rather than listen to a couple of Americans who have not only never gone through the process, but have been known to have been wrong on many other subjects in the past.

 
And Christine, don't blame your "bad English" for the fact that you can't get through to some people. Your English is just fine and I understand what you have to say a lot better than many of the people on these boards who claim English as their first (and usually ONLY) language.

A great place to get info is at visajourney.com, a community of people in the process.

By the way, from the USCIS website:

"Travel outside of the United States may have severe consequences if you are in the process of adjusting your status (applying for a green card). In general, if you are seeking immigrant status (a green card) and depart the United States without the appropriate documentation (i.e. advance parole) you may be inadmissible to the United States upon return, or even if admitted, you may be found to have abandoned your application."

Also, somewhere in my files I have a stack of documents more than 6" thick of forms I filled out, fingerprint cards, chest x-ray, photos, check receipts for thousands of dollars to the government, and question/answer guides for citizenship test -- all topped off by an official certificate of citizenship.  Yeah, some of us have been there and done that.

A friend of mine is an immigration attorney and Christine's explanation of how the process works sounds consistent with what I've been told. I don't know why you are trying to show her up.

 
I'd bet many saps get beaten on the marriage sucker play by the K Girls. If they can talk a sap into marrying them they only have to stay lovie dovie two years. Then they can get the 10 year Green card.  Once they have that they can divorce the sap who is probably 30 years older than her.

Many who want a Green Card don't care about US citizenship anyway.

Souls,

 
As I drink coffee this morning I will try easy reply. There are many parts of this that go different direction.

 
My first post about this was directed to comment of:

 
"If you ever notice why she doesn't visit Korea or always goes on vacation somewhere in the States, it's because she can't leave the country yet during the greencard period. Once they're naturalized....... (after divorcing the greencard one)"

 
I made mistake of trying to explain transition from Visa to Green Card. I should have been very clear that my comment was specifically and ONLY with respect how it applies to the " green card period" when the process is part of marriage as the poster say.

 
The assumption is the girl has a green card already, and the "green card period" is time from green card to "once naturalized period".  

 
If you have a stack of paper can only assume you are naturalized citizen. If you are naturalized citizen then YOUR circumstances may either be same or can be totally different. I can try give several examples as follow:

1- Naturalized by having option of being born out of US holding dual citizenship and declaring US as only citizen
2- Naturalized by having US parent but born outside US and coming to US for first time
3- Naturalized by having Specific type of visa that allowed entry into US and then apply/receive green card and follow up after waiting period for citizenship.
4- Naturalized by being married to a US citizen but went process of visa/green card/citizen

 
This list goes on and on. The first step LEGALLY not count being given special circumstances is far longer than anyone wants to read here. Could have been in US as student with or without visa. Could be H1B visa, could have been grant asylum and done green card waiting period to move to citizen. I just cant list all. I read yesterday that ICE is now granting green cards to informants to fight MS-13, I read this on FOX news and you can search there for article.

 
Point is many paths. and my comment was directed to specific post and circumstances the poster made.  

 
The bottom line is simple. With respect the original poster comment, my comment stands. A green card is official document that the US classify you as a LPR (Legal Permanent Resident). That label a little misleading as the "permanent" part has an expiration date and must be renewed. The op was not talking about the period of time between application for green card and it approved and it received. He talking about someone who HAS a green card.  

 
A green card declare a person status. To come and go to the US has no bearing on the green card. It can be renewed under specific conditions for life. My grandfather never became a citizen, but had a green card all adult life. You can choose to stay a LPR or take path to become citizen. That is personal choice. Travel AFTER you have a green card is not need fill out special forms if simple visit or vacation. If you want become a citizen you must have specific meet conditions. Time in country is counted as was pointed out, penalty of course if you are gone years. State.gov (specifically USCIS) has details which you point out. But again its when you are seeking AOS from LPR to Citizen.  

 
My second point is also simple. I stand by comment i make about dumbass getting information other than direct from official government source. Then now I make third statement, taking those comments out of context from those official sources is another fucking dumb ass common error. In order to comment on how any process is take place, you must follow entire path, because as I said earlier, there are many paths and many exceptions, as also I have point out earlier in the MS-13 informant statement example.

 
You give reference to people that visajourney website is a "great reference". Perhaps it is. Perhaps it is in fact the perfect place put trust hope and dreams for many who want to come here and become citizen. Perhaps its the best place to get information in non government speak for people to understand. However, according to even the website itself the TOS for the website say:

 
"VisaJourney does not endorse, support, represent or guarantee the truthfulness, accuracy, or reliability of any communications or Content Posted via the Service."

 
Well isn't that just fucking special. ( my newest american sarcastic saying from class ).  

 
So now I stand by what I said previous. If the girl has a green card already, she can go back and forth all she wants ( until that card expire or she break the law). Having a green card has minimal impact on Travel. Path to be a citizen has slight impact but if normal travel then none. Path to citizen is not just have a green card, but also many other items such as permenant address, pay taxes and many others. As long as you are not in process of getting a AOS, you do not need fill out forms either.

 
My final point. People should get information not from me, not from you and not some fucking forum of people who don't know asking questions getting answers from people who proclaim to be experts. Get information from experts directly. Get it in writing. The place you start is state.gov and USCIS, the next place you go is a lawyer who has expertise in the subject and path that apply to the individual circumstances.

 
One more cup of coffee and then help to pack for our visit back to Asia. Even yet I don't leave until next week I hate this flight!!!!

 
Christine

Thanks again, Christine. I think you are right about the sources you need to rely on. In my workplace we sometimes confer with people who are navigating the various pathways of immigration, permanent resident status, and citizenship, and we are very very careful to say just what you do--rely on State and USCIS and get the help of an attorney who specializes in these things. It's very complicated, and getting one thing wrong can have bad consequences.

 
My appreciation aside, I love the way you write and always enjoy reading your responses.

 
I am not fond of flying either, even relatively short flights. Bon voyage! Don't forget us!

consistent with what I have been told by girls going through the process.  Souls lost this exchange when you posted the disclaimer from his so-called "expert" website.  I think if Souls still wants to keep digging himself into a hole, he's going to need a bigger shovel.  Lol

"The assumption is the girl has a green card already, and the "green card period" is time from green card to "once naturalized period".  "

And therefore my initial comment expands upon that to the time from the visa until the time of the green card being issued -- the "adjustment of status" period -- when you need "advance parole" to travel out of the country.   And a reason to expand on it is that if people unknowingly travel outside the country without getting advance parole, they can get in trouble.  It is not a point to be glossed over.

You took that as contradicting your statement.  There is no reason to read it that way.

Unfortunately this board is corrupted by people who insist on shitposting and insulting everyone and everything.  That could explain your hostility to follow-on comments.   Resist being corrupted by these guys.  They're not your friends and will turn on you in a heartbeat if they can have a laugh at your expense.

This board is corrupted by guys that never admit when they're wrong, and will beat a dead horse until there's nothing left but the hooves?

Souls,

 
I am not here to insult, or belittle or argue. I am here participate for reasons that apparent to all. They are simple reasons and not require advanced degree to figure out.  

 
The first reason here, I learn about the hobby as its so different here than Asia. Laws very different, people very different, expectations very different. Fucking is fucking, but getting from in my room to in your room super different in US. I have lots learn.  

 
Second reason I here is the more I post REASONABLE and VALID CONTRIBUTING things to the boards, I get more exposure. Honest, it free exposure. Even dumbest guy knows this why girls chat here. Do you think we cant wait all day to let you know which razor we prefer to shave ass? I eagerly anticipate next GD board post of which toothpaste best before eat my pussy!! Otherwise really no reason speak to guys we will never meet waste time. But I must post REASONABLE and RELIABLE things. Asians say if you talk stupid then you are stupid, americans just say your dumbass. And every girl knows this is true if they will say it or not. I do enjoy thoughtful, well developed and insightful questions and the feeling of humor as well.

 
Third reason is once in a while I actually can contribute. Its nice. But to contribute and then have waste time try repeat things over and over frustrate you, me, and the board as its non sense. Waste of space, time, waste the readers time waste everyone time. I thinking you guys call it train wreck here. I have been on TER reading it to prepare for my move since 2015. I don't think I even ever post until I moved full time to US this year. Though I have been here many times growing up.

 
This I can tell anyone, I have no doubt that some if not all of those who you say might be my friends would have no shortage to call me out if I post stupid. Or even if they think I post stupid because its not correct opinion. Its nature of board. Its nature of people. And I would expect no less. I been corrected more than once and expect to be corrected yet many times more.  I have seen people be nice to provider one day and bury them the next week. Maybe that they deserve it, maybe not, not my place judge. There is saying that was famous here and everyone around Asia pick up on it when I was young. Its old saying from Africa but American made it famous. "it takes a village to raise a child" in my village we all laugh because for us it was "it takes a village to raise a child, but every village has an idiot" I don't want to be the board idiot.

 
Sometimes i think I am disadvantage because as normal filipino in my home surround I am shy. Its normal for us. But I am also an Asian provider. It means I come from a part of the world where competition is far more than in US. So my behavior when defend myself is very apparent.  

 
I hate say this, and I am sure many will not like what I say but I say what I think. You like many other post under Alias. I understand this. I understand you want be able to make sure you can post without have negative issues with writing true and valid reviews. So it does not stop you from getting a "date". I may not agree the reason, but I do understand it. But here is where I feel and think. If you posting under alias, I have no respect for you. NONE. You have no credibility prove you know anything about hobby at all. You may be wise, you may be smart, but do you fuck? If so how much you fuck? If so how do you fuck?  

 
Maybe you post under real ID in past I have no idea. Nobody that does not know you has a way to know that you do nothing more than be a lazy fat fuck. Or a lazy skinny fuck. I am not saying YOU are any of these things. I am saying until I see different I have no way to believe anything an Alias says. I could compare that to the shit everyone give a newbie. Newbie could be wise and smart, why they get shit? Because they learning. An Alias might just be the village Idiot, too stupid to even learn like the newbie. Again I not saying you are, I am just saying.

 

Christine

You're spitting fire.  Souls better take refuge in harbor.  

Game, Set, Match!

I hope the guys here realize what a valuable resource Christine is on this board.  She is an independent Asian provider who has worked in Asia AND here, and is knowledgeable about how the business works on both sides of the Pacific.  She clearly knows her stuff because SHE HAS LIVED THROUGH IT, not just read about it on a website.  Many of us try to get information about the business from providers, so that we better understand their point of view about things, but Kgirls often don't speak enough English to make sense to us non-Koreans about what they know and about their own history in the business.  Here we have someone with good English willing to share factual information and some Minnesota dumb shit wants to argue instead.  

 
Anybody here think Souls came out of this looking good?  IMO, he got his ass handed to him.  

 
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They are quite informative... I said it before, your posts were Splendid. Then I saw more of your posts in other boards and appreciated you even more. If you move to LA permanently, I may just decide to see you.
 
I may even jump through hoop if you have a picture on your site where I can see your face (blurred, of course). I have been hooked by many K-girls because of their blurred face, to the point that I think I have become an expert at seeing through it.
 
By the way, this is a fine final words. You are now a leading candidate for Superlative Posts Of The Year. GaG and CDL finally have some real competition. Votes will be tallied and the winner will be announced at the end of the year

My attention is perked up by what you are saying.
 
This greencard marriage sounds so appealing. Are you saying I can marry a young beautiful K-girl who will stay lovey dovey with me for 2 whole years? Will I lose anything when she divorces me? Will she be OK with me continuing to hobby?
 
What if I bring her with me to hobby? I think my head just explodes. Note to self, this warrants further research.

Funny,

 
I cant tell you what a Kgirl has in her mind. But short answer is you can marry anyone I guess if they will marry you. Then just apply visa and if she wants apply green card.

 
Long answer is called a prenuptial in her language and english or half your stuff can become all hers. And also here I think you have things like payments after divorce to continue support her. But honest I don't know all the law so ask a expert I think.

 
Christine

Thank You But.....

 
I think some people see this much different than me. My posts just what I know and what I feel. Sometimes a little emotional I admit. But I do post, then I read.  

 
I learn much more about people and ways things are than I contribute. I think better way to say it is I learn much more than I have to inform. In Asia its much different. I was much different there just as I am little different here. GFE in Asia is not like GFE here. Habits, things girls learn all come from people to people communication more than from formal education.  

 
Do you wonder why sometimes your date with Asian girl seem little mechanical or non emotional? Its not you as much as its what girl is taught. Many of the girls that you see in America were "trained" before they come here. The people who guide them tell them this how you react and act in America. Its long to try explain but I think if you consider it you may understand.  

 
Christine

Again Thank You,

 
But I don't understand. Maybe the board can give me understanding on this.  

 
To you it seems help if in my pictures my face is there yet cant see it because blur. My pictures either taken by me or by friends, I have yet to get real professional pictures. I either make picture where my face not in it or I crop my face out.  

 
Since when I come back from my Asia trip my next big expense is going to be professional pictures what you say is important. Does it make it easier for you to decide if u see me if my face in photo yet its blurred where you cant see it? Its little confusing for me because because its there but not there?

Thank you

Christine

Why would I care if you like my alias character or not????  What has that got to do with anything???

For those interested in visas, green cards, and citizenship, visit visajourney.com where thousands of people who have gone or are going through the process can give you guidance.

hooves have been pulverized.  Do you really think it makes you sound credible to suggest that there is better information on a privately-run, for-profit website than the Secretary of State's website.  You really are clueless.  I didn't think you could make yourself look any dumber, but then you post this.  You never fail to disappoint.  Lol

 
Sometimes its better to remain silent and be THOUGHT a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.  

cutting off the head that seems unnatural.  Most people have taken photos where they inadvertently cut off all or part of someone's head, and so they are subconsciously conditioned from an early age to think its a bad photo and should be ignored or deleted.  Its better to have the full body shot, including the head.  If you blur the top of the face, including your eyes down to the tip of your nose, no one will be able to ID you from the face.  I suggest leaving your red painted lips crystal clear because guys are drawn to GFE providers by imagining themselves in DFK with those red lips, and will be more likely to make contact.  There are indies here in LA that have figured this out and do quite well luring us in.  

 
For added security, you can turn your head slightly to where only one side of your profile shows, then still blur the eyes so that a positive ID is impossible.  Just my suggestions.  Others have a different opinion.  

Souls,

 
Liking your Alias certainly not the issue. Assign any validity to someone who post under Alias was my point. I think, and perhaps wrong, but I think like this:

 
A photographer has a website, all that is on his website is how he take pictures, how he fix pictures, how he knows the many ways to take pictures, but he show no pictures. Then all he shows is comments from people who he agree or even disagree with how they take pictures. But still no pictures. I don't think many would value what he says with no proof he even take a single picture. I could be wrong.

 
I am new here. I don't know you. Perhaps you post under review name on another board, perhaps you post under different name here not alias. These things I don't know. Perhaps you have long experience in reviews long ago and others know that you are smart about what you say. Again I don't know. Its easy for me admit I don't know things. But its also easy to say how I feel.  

 
The issue of Alias is a post and thread all itself. If you want to discuss this please post to GD and many can express there view. Better than limited number of people here. I would be happy to discuss on that thread but here is not place. I feel sure there will be large support of Alias for many reasons. It would be good for a train wreck, funny even I am sure.

 
As for visajourny, of course it can be reference, and if you want use it who am I to complain. If you want to recommend it then fine.  

 
Christine

Yes, Christine I highly recommend visajourney for anyone involved in the process of getting a visa, a green card, or citizenship in the USA.   Even if someone hires an attorney for complicated cases, it is useful to understand the process.  Not all lawyers are honest, so to be self-informed is always good.  It's a free site and has thousands of people active at any given time.

Also unless I missed it we're the only two people posting on this thread who have any direct experience with the process.  So I find the comments by others rather amusing -- the "often wrong, always certain" types.

As for aliases, I didn't use one at first until I became aware that it is somewhat of a blood sport here for the usual braying hounds to run smear campaigns both publicly and by private message.  Some of the very names that are on your side now have driven more than one provider off the forum with their constant attacks and insults.  It seems to go on all the time here.   This can affect these ladies means of making a living.  So I am disgusted by this sort of activity.

I do alright with the ladies I see and have many okays on P411 and some whitelist entries here -- though I don't really ask for whitelisting anymore and rely on okays.  So really there is no benefit at all to coming out from an alias, only risk of a smear campaign by the psychopaths that frequent the forum.

Take care.  Watch your back.

Anything you had PRIOR to marriage is yours to keep. Any inheritance is yours to keep. It's only things you accumulate during marriage  that get split up. On a two year marriage it's doubtful you would accumulate substantial assets together.

Alimony is based on the girl's ability to work and the length of the marriage. It's doubtful there would be much to pay if it's only a two year marriage.

 
You must prove to ICE that you actually lived together and it was not a "sham marriage." If you divorce in less than two years it's going to be hard for her to get the 10 year Green card. She will probably be "loyal" until she gets the 10 year Green card after two years of marriage.

 
Eastern Euros do it all the time. They usually want citizenship to bring immediate relatives to the USA. The Asians seem to want the green card but many don't care about ever being a citizen.

 
Of course there are K-Girls who will marry you to get that Green card. What type of arrangement you have sexually is your business. Chances are she will still want to "work."  Personally I would not let a wife fuck other men but if you still want to fuck other girls you can have an "open marriage."  

I'd just tell her she better have enough "energy" when she gets home to suck my cock bone dry.

You could also wear a mask over your eyes.  I've seen that done effectively before and adds a bit of mystery.

+1 on the red lipstick.  I still remember an Asian girl in college that wore red lipstick in class.  Never was able to make her my girlfriend, though I tried.  Now it helps complete the GFE fantasy.  

I am sorry to say your pic where your face was half cut-off scared me a little. If you are not comfortable with revealing your face, then I simply think it is better to just blur it. You are smart to pick up what I hinted.
 
If you can afford professional pics then that will definitely attract me even more. But you can also use free software to blur your face. A touch of blurriness makes my imagination runs wild. Red lipstick and red dress draw me in like a bull. I can only restrain myself for so long. A fine example of this is Shari on CV with a blurred face lying on a couch and making me seeing red till I couldn't take it anymore and saw her without knowing anything about her.
 
Good luck. I am just suggesting how to hook guys like me in to increase your business I need motivation from pics to see someone. Then she can make me want to repeat by how she treats me. Pics do not matter once I get inside her door.

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Still sound like a win-win situation to me. She gets the green card, I get to be happy. If I can't stop her from working, I will not wait for her to get home damn it! I will be the first client of the day, at least I hope so. Am I the alpha or the omega LOL?
 
Obviously I won't take this leap until I consult with a divorce lawyer. I will keep this idea in the back of my head for when the opportunity arises and I am ready. Thank you for explaining.

OTM, is very accurate, as long as you do not get married in her country as well. Many Asian want get married here, then go home and get married there so family is present.that way you can start spending money of her family also.  

If you marry both countries can be very different.  

Christine

As I understand it the K-Girls net 4-5K a week. Unless you are willing and able to cough up that kind of money how would you get them to quit working?  

If she is 30 years younger than you good luck keeping her from having a boyfriend closer to her own age on the side. I see that all the time with Eastern Euro immigrants. They are not hookers but expecting a healthy 26 year old to be faithful to a 58 year old is unrealistic.

Many of the K girls you see are already married waiting on their green card.  

If you want to marry one you will either cough up a lot of money or learn to share!

If you marry someone in order to allow them to be eligible for a green card you have to sign a promise to the US government that you will be financially responsible for them for the next 10 years minimum -- future divorce or not.

Your obligation is only reduced for the amount of time they are in the workforce -- able to provide for themselves.  If I recall, for each year they work, your obligation is reduce a year.

Frankly if you marry a green-card girl, as they call such gold diggers, and after two years she divorces you and marries someone else -- thank your lucky stars she married someone else and relieved you of the financial responsibility.

By the way, escorting wouldn't count as being in the workforce because it is UTR.  She could be raking in the dough and you'd still be paying her bills.

As long as they file a tax return, and declare some income, it COUNTS as working.  They have to get a social security number when they apply for the green card.  When they earn money and pay taxes, it counts as working.  Girls are very creative about describing their work.  I have seen such things as "entertainment consultants", "free-lance modeling", "hostess", and a wide variety of other occupations.  One girl even listed herself as a professional poker player and declared her "winnings" and paid taxes on it.  I have even had a few girls show me notices from the IRS or FTB and asked me what they said because they didn't read enough English to understand it.  Most girls learn how to speak English before they learn to read it.  

 
So again, you shouldn't be putting out wrong information here without saying it is your OPINION.  Stating false facts could lead someone astray here, but you probably don't care about anyone but yourself.  

was dating one of the more popular LA Kgirls while she was married to a young guy to get her green card.  She paid the guy periodically to keep the sham marriage going.  I understand she recently got the green card, so she got divorced.  Now she's free to marry some old guy with some REAL money.  Lol

An attorney can sometimes get an exemption but...........................the obligation to support would only bite you in the ass if the girl decided to apply for "means tested benefits" AKA welfare.

 
The Eastern Euros and K-Girls might be gold diggers but I have yet to hear of them applying for welfare after getting their green cards.

A K-girl making 4k a week going on welfare?

can do alright with the ladies in Minnesota.  That's not much to brag about.  Try coming to LA or SF and see how you do.

END OF MESSAGE

Little black dress with red lipstick and red heels.  Harvesting some wood will be next.  

You said you "do alright with the ladies there", implying you had some social skills.  If your definition of "doing alright" means you throw money at them and tolerate sex with you for an hour, then you are correct, you can do that here.  For me, and most of the guys here, "doing alright" means girls have invited you to spend OTC time with them, but you need to either be fun to hang out with, or else just hand over your wallet.   I'm more the fun type, but I don't mind showing a girl a good time, just like I would with a civvie date.  

 
I know most of the top girls here, so if you tell me when you're coming and who you want to see, I'll keep it warm for you until you get here.  Hey, what are friends for?

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I meant (and said) there is no downside here to using an alias as far as being able to do p4p as compared to the risk of psychopaths on this forum running a smear campaign against an actual TER handle.  And therefore no reason not to use an alias.

We'll just have to take your word for it that all the girls pay YOU for sex.

You always seem to be keeping them warm for us!

Especially on the outside.  If anyone ever offered me cash for any reason, I would dump her.  However, thoughtful personal gifts for birthdays , Christmas or other special occasions are exchanged mutually between me and the ladies I see.  I see nothing wrong with that.  The most common thing I get as a gift are designer neckties in the $300 range, which is more than I would pay myself for a tie.  I'm really hard on ties.  They don't last that long.  

Who tried to smear your actual TER handle, if you don't mind me asking?  What do you consider a "smear?"  Did they attack a review you wrote or something?

At least my family member's green card required him to stay within the US for 6 months out of the year. If he wants to permanently relocate to S. Korea he can do so by getting citizenship (but a lot of jobs there are forbidden to non-Korean citizens) or giving up the card.

The 6 months per year affects (delays) eventual date to be allowed to test for citizenship.

On a green card you shouldn't leave the country for more than a year without first (before you leave) obtaining a re-entry permit -- which can be good for up to 2 years.  If you stay out of the country for more than a year without permission, you may be denied re-entry and lose your green card status.

Many of the posts here very accurate. However let me say that each of you sometimes point out what I try to say in beginning. BEWARE there many twist, turns, exceptions to each part. Many paths lead to same destination. Since I leave tomorrow for a month this will be last long post though I may be able drop in for short hello during my trip. I have what I think is good example of how special or different twist and turn can make every statement slightly incorrect, including of course mine.

 
I have a Aunti that met a US citizen long ago when young in Angeles Philippines. Long story they meet, he is military and station there and they get married. They get small wedding yet but real wedding. Before wedding can be done they must provide a document to that proves they have "Capacity to Marry". This does not mean smart enough to marry but means they are no already marry to someone else. This is first twist.  

 
In almost every Asian country the government tracks all criminal history, marriage, divorce, birth and death. In Philippines this called the NSO. The National Statistics Office. I do not know what same office is called in other countries. I do know that Thailand and S. Korea has similar. The US does NOT track marriage and divorce like this. I have friends who marry US citizens and all the US embassy provide is a form letter say yes this person is US Citizen.

 
Once the NSO come back clean, they get married. Everyone happy and life go on. She gets her Visa and joins him in the US. Her path so similar to what everyone here say, she gets visa, arrives and in a few month her Social Security and FIRST green card arrive. They have big wedding in US so his entire family all can see and meet new wife. They sell his house and buy a bigger house. Live so happy.

 
They know that once he retire they will live Philippines. So they buy a little piece of land in province and build small house. But province life not for most American. So they also buy nice small condo in Manila also. They vacation for a few years back and forth. Stay in Manila most of time and in province some time. All during that time she renew her green card twice. First time is old US standard 5 years, her second renew is for 10. I think now all renewals 10 years no more 5 five year renewal but this long ago and laws change.  

 
Time for divorce. Don't know real reason but just is. They get easy divorce. Been married around 7 years. They get easy divorce in USA. Second twist. now.

 
Husband is NOT philippine citizen. In Philippine only filipino can own land. Even you buy house not matter, it sit on land. Over half of the owner must be filipino. In Condo land is owned more than half by filipino company so that is how American can buy condo not have a filipino wife. AGAIN is stress there are ways around the land issue, but very complicated and I don't know all so wont try explain. I do know usually too complicated and expensive for normal American for small purchase like land for house. So long story she get whole house he can make no claim. She laughing at dinner one night explaining this to my mother I remember as young girl.

 
Now comes third twist. Philippines have very strict divorce law. You can look it up but no such thing as simple divorce in Philippine. If you cannot qualify for divorce you must get marriage annulled. Both husband and wife must agree to annulment and terms, if one does not agree almost impossible get annulment. This is huge long process, very expensive for filipino maybe not what you consider expensive. Long story but now she get condo even his name on it and he pay for it. He has no claim unless they get divorce and they not qualify for divorce. In US american is free to get married yet again, easier for him to give up fight for condo she gets it also.

 
Third twist, US and Philippines do recognize marriage jointly in both country. BUT Philippines only recognize divorce in US if marriage in Philippines is annulled also. So American want another young cute sexy filipino wife. He knows that cant get 25 year old girl marry fat 60 year old ass unless he will marry her. But he is screwed. So he has to pay off aunti and pay all expenses for annulment because he cannot get girl without having capacity to legally marry. Final twist.

 
American smart think no problem, fat ex wife can have all my crap. I will not marry in Philippines will only do next marriage in US. But yet now screwed again. In Philippines you must pass immigration both enter and leave country. In order for new girl to get to US she must have VISA first. Visa is inserted as a page non removable into her passport by US embassy. Only way a poor young girl get a VISA to US without special circumstance like job, family, is either K1 fiance visa or Spousal Visa already married. Since cant get married in Philippines because cant get clean NSO certificate cant get Spousal Visa.

 
When girl pass through immigration with ticket to US, they must have also two things. One is a valid VISA to go to destination or in example USA a green card already. Two a stamp in passport from CFO. This is a class all filipino must go through teach you basically how to screw people in other country if they screw you. The CFO class can anyone attend for any reason. But one more small twist. You can go class, but you cannot get the stamp put in passport until you have a valid visa and show them. You show the visa and the paperwork for the VISA. Proof of paperwork that going to get married. Application paperwork for K1 visa etc. Other words the Visa must issued and match the paperwork. American has name of course on paperwork in hundred places. They look up name and see he is already married a filipino so no stamp ( actually a sticker ) for girl. If no stamp from CFO, even girl has a Visa and plane ticket they will not allow to leave.  

 
Story is long and in end American say fuck this I will will just find Thai girl. Thats last I know of it.  

 
I say all this and I say AGAIN YET, many paths to same destination. Can be ways around this issue. can be ways beat system I am sure. But what I describe is just one path and its bad destination. Like all immigration/marriage you must make sure you doing things protect yourself. Get expert advice not mine.

 
I hope everyone play safe and have fun times until my return and even after. I enjoy ALL the posts agree with me or not on here. I am not Kgirl but thank you accpet my minor input into your community.

 
Christine

Ah right, i checked, he said the same thing, can't stay out of the country for more than 1 year, without a re-entry permit. I thought it was 6 months for some reason.

Most are already working room salon, officetel, anma girls looking to get more money.   You dont realize how lucky us US guys are.  Overall we get hot good service chicks.  In Korea you rarely get dfk,rimming, or cim service or get chicks who are mediocre fatties or out of shape flat saggy butt chicks.

What full salon and officetels are you going to?!?!?! I've had nothing but great experiences with hot girls...  

adal5.com is your portal to officetels, anma, full salon, etc

That is the most interesting thing I've read in a VERY long time. Thanks for sharing. Sometimes reality really IS stranger than fiction.