From time to time I get a little fired up by the idiotic behavior of a few hobbyists. For example:
1. Do not loiter in front of the apartment complex while waiting for the green light. Yesterday, I saw this dude with a blue shirt, olive/khaki shorts, and thong sandals walking back and forth in front of the ever popular WLA complex looking at his phone with anticipation. Meanwhile a cop car drove by twice and looked at him during the second pass. He might as well be carrying a sign saying I am a John waiting for the green from the booker.
2. I rode up in the elevator with a guy who appeared to be a fellow monger at another popular MW complex. He actually asked me which girl I was here to see! Don't be so stupid to think I will start talking about the hobby with some random stranger!
3. Don't park right in the front of the apartment complex entrance. I've observed upon multiple occasions at the same over-popular WLA complex at least 4 guys sitting in their cars right in front of the entrance eagerly looking at their phones and peeking at the entrance. I always try to park either far up/down the street, across the street, or around the corner.
I don't know about others but I am getting a little apprehensive about going to this location. There are way too many girls and customers (some of which don't know how to be discrete) and they are bound to attract some unwanted attention.
I know your frustrations...
While a big reason for the kgirls leaving Seattle was because of the January '16 bust, another reason why girls haven't come back is because of how stupid clients had become. Morons would just loiter around the lobby of an apartment complex in full view of the concierge. Others would knock on the door when the text message instructions clearly say "DON'T KNOCK, DOOR IS OPEN."
It's a very easy way of getting blacklisted.
Your three are good, and here are five more musts:
1. Hobbyists should not go up to the front door of the complex and sit on the benches waiting for the text from the booker. How many residents sit on those benches? I would say none. No reason to if you belong there.
2. Stay in the car until you get the go-ahead, then MEMORIZE the code and room number and put the fk'ing phone in your pocket and don't refer to it again until the are inside the apartment. Its a three or four digit code. If you can't remember it without looking three or four times on the way to the front door, then you're too stupid to be in this hobby, and you're a danger to yourself and the rest of us.
3. DO NOT avoid eye-contact with other residents. If someone catches your eye and smiles, smile back or say hello. THAT'S WHAT NEIGHBORS DO. Otherwise, you look like someone that is up to no good, and aren't supposed to be there, and they may follow you to see where you're headed. Trust me, no one you smile and say hello to is going to suspect you of anything bad. If you can't go to an incall without looking nervous and furtive, again, you should not be in this hobby. Pick something legal.
4. If there is anyone in the hallway that can observe which apartment you are going to go in, then walk PAST the door to the end of the hall and around the corner, then return when there is no one present. Seeing multiple guys throughout the day enter and leave the same apartment is what makes neighbors think there is something going on, and their first thought is NOT pussy being sold, its drug dealing, so many civilians will report it to LE.
5. If you are dumb enough to accept a small bottle of hooker water as you leave, put it in your pocket, out of sight. Nothing screams, "I just had sex and I'm a little parched" more than that incriminating little bottle of water."
OMG... #4
Jesus-fucking-Christ.... it simply amazes me the sheer number of guys that go straight to the door, even when neighbors are around. Of course there's nothing sketchy about knocking on a door and having the door crack open because the tenant of that unit is hiding behind the door and you have to basically slide into the door... WTF!?!?!?
And it's not just for apartment buildings, but for hotels as well. I used to work in a 4 star hotel and it was really easy to figure who was using it as an incall. It's a no-brainer. But honestly, we didn't care. As long as the guest wasn't being a bother to other guests, then we really didn't care what happened between 2 consenting adults. But when another guest comes down and complains that guys are just roaming the hallways and then going into the same room, then that says something.
Common sense people.... follow instructions and use common sense....
"If you can't go to an incall without looking like a nervous fugitive"......!!! Now that is a classic! Also don't go running up to the entrance of the building and hover behind a fellow hobbyist!!! No need to bum rush you will get to the promised land soon enough!!!
I can follow all the advises in this thread EXCEPT remembering the code. I do put the fk'ing phone in my pocket until I use the wrong code LOL. I try to recite the code as I walk but if something distracts me then there it goes. Three digits is OK but four digits is hard. If I have to remember the room number as well then good luck to me.
I divide and conquer so I focus only on the code first. Sigh. As you can see, I do try to get better at this. I am not the smartest cookie here so I learn from you guys.
I can dress like a local or business too casual but asking me to bring dog food for the neighbor is impossible. I don't like other people's dog. Some dogs bark at me. I told the dog to be quiet but it wouldn't listen to me. I want to kick the dog.
Do you have any tip for me in that case? Please help a brother out 
Posted By: BetterTomorrow
I can follow all the advises in this thread EXCEPT remembering the code. I do put the fk'ing phone in my pocket until I use the wrong code LOL. I try to recite the code as I walk but if something distracts me then there it goes. Three digits is OK but four digits is hard. If I have to remember the room number as well then good luck to me.
Daft Hands! Use a Sharpie. Write on your fingernails. It will be easier to remove.
I can dress like a local or business too casual but asking me to bring dog food for the neighbor is impossible. I don't like other people's dog. Some dogs bark at me. I told the dog to be quiet but it wouldn't listen to me. I want to kick the dog.
Do you have any tip for me in that case? Please help a brother out
Pepper spray.
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I am afraid I can't follow your fine advice. I very much want to be harder, better, stronger but I am already faster as I work it LOL. And I left out the part that the dog belongs to the neighbor I see so I have to pretend I like dogs.
I got the go ahead and walked down the street to the gate. Found an older gent trying over and over to enter the gate code. Helped him out with the call button and got him in the gate before entering my code and heading up. Was a bit conspicuous and wanted to ask him who he was seeing but just let him go on his way.
at an AAMP, IMO, is posed by stay at home wives/mothers who are there all day with nothing to do but be nosey. This is why you HAVE to look like you belong there. DON'T TAKE FLOWERS or other conspicuous gifts. Kgirls would rather have the $25 cash anyway. Dress like a local, act like a local, and be friendly (I once carried up a 25lb bag of dog food for a "neighbor." Of course, she did not see which apartment I was going to.
Unlike their husbands, most wives have absolutely no appreciation for the convenience of having a Kgirl incall in the same apartment building, so always be diligent about your surroundings.
I bring along an assortment of disguises when I visit hotels but I guess it would work for the AAMPs.
Tool box + overalls marked "Impposter Plumbing - Laying Pipe and Plugging Holes Our Specialty."
Tool box + overalls marked "Impposter Electric Services - We Love Amps (and Volts and Watts)."
Large potted plant covering my face + overalls marked "Impposter Botanicls - Together, We Can Make it Grow"
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I used to bring dog treats for one my faves doggie! Carrying a 10 oz bag of treats is a lot easier than carrying a 25 lb bag of kibble. (I like all of the dogs (canines, not ugly girls) I've met. Fortunately, they liked me enough not to bite my face off while I was rolling around with their mistress.)
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Dress like a local, act like a local, and be friendly (I once carried up a 25lb bag of dog food for a "neighbor."
This is one of the reasons why a few Thai groups in Bellevue got busted.
Other stay-at-home people tried to complain about the kgirls, but immediate action wasn't taken... it just added to the investigation for the January '16 bust.
The "e"s in discrEtE are separate from one another. They are each a discrete E. Discrete math is the study of mathematical structures that are fundamentally discrete rather than continuous: The integers 1-2-3... occur in discrete steps.
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When you visit an AAMP, you want to be discreet: discreet with adjacent Es describes someone or something that is appropriately quiet, prudent, and restrained.
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I saw Rachel on Monday and Kathy on Thursday as two discrete events. With Rachel, I came once in her mouth and once on her boobs in two discrete events. With Kathy, I accidentally shot some in her hair but I didn't notice until after we had left the hotel together. It was not very discreet to be walking around with a sperm perm.
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The thing is, when you talk about using discretion, one of the Es has disappeared so people are confused about whether it derives from discrEtE or from discrEEt. Obviously, the latter. "Show some discretion and be discreet when visiting." 
You didn't say whether Rachel gave a discreet swallow.
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: That's all well and good, but . . . .
You didn't say whether Rachel gave a discreet swallow.
She discreetly swallowed some but then overtly let the rest out of her mouth in a continuous, non-discrete dribble. What can I say? It was a big, discrete load.
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EDIT: fixed typos
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There was one time when it was really hot, and I went out of the car and sat on a bench in the shade in a big complex.
Another time I was sitting near the area for walking dogs with a mobile device, neighbor walked by with dog and greeted her in friendly manner.
I think bottom line is blend in but at same time hide monger tendencies.
Also don't share info with PM. I remember when I was starting I was dumb enough to ask a fellow where a certain woman works. He told me in a known area, and that was enough info for me, but also taught me not to ask question like that.
I have seen few Korean drunk guys yelling inside corridors before they head to providers' apartments (I belive they dual list ads in cv and Korean sources).
One owner used like black plastic to cover up the bedroom and living windows but when you walked by you could see that classic pink lights shining through cracks! Haha so stupid.
Or one girl peaked her head out the door to say bye to me and get her beer next time. Cute but retarded.
Or one or maybe differrnt owners had incalls opposite each other so the doors faced each other. Meaning you could see your fellow hobbyistts sometimes or other neighbors realize hundreds of guys going left and right of two apts^^
So yeah hobby isnt full of the smartest people on both sides^^
some guys will take away from a thread like this, but I saw a guy yesterday that must have read here about not sitting on the benches by the front door over on the Westside. Instead, he was sitting on the curb, IN A SUIT, between his car (a Prius - I was embarrassed for him) and the car in front of him staring at his cell phone across the street from the front door. Only slightly less conspicuous than if he crossed the street and sat on the benches. When there is NOBODY else sitting on the curb between two cars anywhere on the street, you are not really blending in. LE could have driven right up an parked two cars down and he would have completely missed it, but I'm sure they would have wondered who sits on the curb in a business suit. What a dunce! (Does anybody know if the batteries in a Prius create a magnetic field that impairs brain function? Just curious.) Lol
I'm convinced priuses, douche buggies, have no turn signals. Pet peeve here, I need a staycation
Hmmm... wondering what's going on w/the Prius curbside suit dude. Most likely reason why he was sitting down looking intensely at his cell phone (and probably the entrance) was due to his worship of Priapus, hence a sufferer/follower of Priapism...
(FYI: Priapism derives from the Greek god Priapus, a fertility god often represented with a disproportionately large and permanent erection. Priapism in females (continued, painful erection of the clitoris) is known as clitoral priapism or clitorism. Relentless, persistent or continuous erections that lack any complications are sometimes referred to as a "permaboner" in slang terms).
And I need bookers or the girls to help me out. When I first started out, the magic door was truly magical and it opened without me missing a step. Nowadays, the girls leave me stranded for too long. Sigh.
Popular locations seem to invite parking at the entrance, sitting on a bench, sitting on the curb smoking and waiting, or not going out from the main entrance, or the bum rush in the morning. And people who like to sit in the car should tint the window.
I arrive on time or if I am early I would scope out the location first. I also make sure to text the booker ahead of time to give me enough time to walk. That usually gives them time to green light me and I just go once parked.
Sometimes I don't know what were they thinking when they chose an incall in plain sight of people or the cam that I can see as I go into it. Or telling me she is ready a few minutes before yet I can see my comrade just coming out (BWAHAHA...) Or the girls who let me out when someone can see me (perhaps I should look for myself). Or moaning too loud I think the neighbor can hear (whatever). Or the bed squeaking like crazy (they need better bed frame or memory foam mattress).
These things don't bother me per se, but I worry the incall is at risk. Perhaps I should tell the bookers my concern next time.
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preaching to the choir here.
So bookers should do some babysitting.
When getting that first text, instead of "xoxo", it should be "No loiter ! No flower ! No drunk !"
and the same on the 2nd text.
Maybe some of you VIP customers should report the stupidity to them, and they'll start reminding everyone how to act.
bookers hate ANY kind of texting that does not directly result in them making another buck. E-maintaining a newbie hobbyist is not part of their vocabulary. Like you, I wish it were otherwise.
Posted By: LA Traveller 10
2. I rode up in the elevator with a guy who appeared to be a fellow monger at another popular MW complex. He actually asked me which girl I was here to see! Don't be so stupid to think I will start talking about the hobby with some random stranger!
That guy was pointing out that YOU were being too obvious. He didn't want your answer, he wanted you realize that and not to be so indiscreet next time.
So you were the idiot in that elevator.
Posted By: Valida
Re: 2 - it was you
Posted By: LA Traveller 10
2. I rode up in the elevator with a guy who appeared to be a fellow monger at another popular MW complex. He actually asked me which girl I was here to see! Don't be so stupid to think I will start talking about the hobby with some random stranger!
That guy was pointing out that YOU were being too obvious. He didn't want your answer, he wanted you realize that and not to be so indiscreet next time.
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