I am considering changing my business model to outcall only, with a fee added if I am to host. I am a pretty low-volume provider and getting a hotel every time someone books me just eats into my bottom line too much. I feel like I am taking two steps forward and one step back. I would love to have my own incall space, but this can't happen for me right now for a number of reasons. However, when I started here I was told that most appointments in FL are incall. Is this true?

Incalls make me nervous, because I don't control the space. Outcalls would probably work better for me because I could select the location myself and not have to worry about Uncle LEO being set up in the next room with all of his fancy recording equipment.

My wife and I are in the lifestyle, and because of my nervousness we generally don't care to go to another couple's home who can host until we've been with them a few times. We have to adult children living at home, so we can't host. That means we almost always get a room and control that space and invite the other couple or other singles there. After we're comfortable, going to their site where they host feels safer.

I think an outcall for my first few times with a provider would lead me to be less nervous than an incall. But after I become a regular and get comfortable, then the incall would be okay.

I rarely can host so incall is my only option.

I understand the many pros and cons for each method.  You have to decide what works best for you.  I haven't been in Florida long enough to know whether the trends here favor outcall or incall.  Maybe some of the others will be able to chime in.

For that exact reason. Rates are considerably less. There are a couple of options to try, maybe find another provider and go 50/50 on an incall or advertise incall on certain days only. Sometimes if you can work out both together it's a win win situation. And use the room around check in and maybe the next day right before check-out. Thus keeping your turnover low volume and only shelling out half the cost.   Also, try to name your own price on Priceline, go for a 3.5 star or above.  I have had much success with this.  And you can generally  pick your desired location and stay clear of dirty or lower rated hotels.  

Hope this helps.

Best of luck Sarah.

French Kisses

Elle Vegas

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If the client REALLY wants to see you, then it shouldn't matter whether it is incall or outcall.

It's kind of hard to define meeting at a neutral hotel as being incall or outcall based solely on who is booking the room... because neither of you are meeting at your personal residence.  Though one of you is "going" to the other.

Here's what I can tell you:

With incall, there are certain places I'm not comfortable going... Obviously I won't go to a high crime area, but I also might not go to a place that's way over on the other side of town, especially if I have to drive through rush hour traffic.  Nor will I go to a place where I think there is inadequate privacy.  Incall restrictions for me will pretty much be based on location.  If I don't trust the provider, then I won't see her in the first place regardless of whether it is incall or outcall.

For outcall, in my entire life I have yet to invite a provider back to my home, and I don't see this changing in the near future, if ever.  One of the liabilities for a client who is reserving the hotel is that the room will be booked under his name, and the charge might be on his credit card.  In my case I am single, so I don't have to worry about a significant other finding out, but this may be an issue for other men.  Also, it may be more of a burden for the client, as he has to arrive early to check in, and take the time to prepare the room, etc...

One reason I don't like outcall is that I don't like "waiting" for my provider to show up...  I have a tendency to get nervous while anticipating that proverbial phone call and knock at the door.  I guess I might be impatient when it comes to this when I just want to see my provider, and not sit on the bed watching TV not knowing when she will arrive.  Especially because most providers show up at least several minutes past the scheduled appointment time.  It's really hard to predict when a meeting will take place, so I always allow myself extra time.

With incall there aren't as many issues.  Worst I could say is I don't like standing in front of the door while the provider checks the peep hole to verify identity.  It's kind of awkward, especially if there is housekeeping staff in the hallway.  But this isn't nearly as bad as waiting in the room for a provider to show up.

My point being: if YOU are *really* the girl that the guy wants to see, he should make the sacrifice to outcall, even if he prefers incall.  I don't think that's too much to ask.

Thanks for the reply, fax. So you don't mind booking a neutral space for your appointment? That's good! But probably more or less unique because you're not in danger of being discovered doing anything wrong.

In general, I wonder how common it is to feel this way about an incall re UL.

Also, I wouldn't go see someone outcall anywhere that I would get nervous, such as certain types of hotels... and the problem is that it is such a small town in many ways. People tend to recognize you, and that southern hospitality can be very bad. I miss LA because of the anonymity it allowed! Lol.

You can't be low volume, host in an upscale hotel, and be on the lower end of the rate scale. Somethings got to give. What's wrong with charging more for an incall? If I want to see you, I wouldn't have a problem working with you on the cost of the room. Most of us local guys do not want to go thru the hassle of booking a room. I much prefer and appreciate when my date takes care of these things. I see it as part of the great service she is providing.
Elle's suggestions are good too. If you can develop good relations with other providers in your area, and your clients have a little flexibility, sometimes you can "share" the expenes. Most of us are reasonable and understand.

faxinator. Hmmm... everyone is unique. Yes, I was told your situation is more common here. There isn't the influx of business travelers that bigger cities have, so many of my prospective regulars would be locals.

So in your case, incall as an option is important. I love to host, as I can really set the scene, but hotels do get expensive, and as I said, people get to recognize you.

Yes, to be able to split an incall and do it on certain days would be ideal. As I said to PW, I love hosting because I can really set the scene nicely and create a neat atmosphere. This is my first experience with doing this incall thing, and I LOVE it!! In the past I always did outcall, which was easier, for sure, but didn't allow me to create such a unique experience. I am pretty nurturing by nature, so incall suits me better in that way. In some of my online research I remember coming across a woman in NYC who branded herself the "cooking courtesan". I love that idea!

The hotel thing is what I do now, and so far it has just not panned out that I get appointments that would make that economically viable (one around check-in and one the next morning). That was my hope when I started, but my appointments are more sporadic than that so far. Maybe two a week but spread a couple days apart.

Thanks again, Elle. I appreciate your response!

Yes, I can see that point of view. I wouldn't do outcall at someone's house anyway unless I knew them well. I would just be uncomfortable. And I would never go to someone's house, even if I knew them well, if they were married or lived with a partner. Which means my prospective date would have to book, unless I were willing to get the room, which is how I have been doing it. But that leaves me with the expense of a room if I get a last-minute cancellation (which has happened before). And that's why I may decide to charge more, or even require a deposit for incall, unless I can perhaps share with another provider.

Argh... decisions, decisions...

But unless I can share with another provider, I would still have to factor in the cost of possible cancellations.

How willing are clients to send a small deposit that may help to cover this eventuality?

I just did and furniture, linens, pictures and decorations add up fast. Then it's rent and security deposit to add to the expense. Your very new Sarah so it is a lot to take on at this time not knowing where the economy might go this summer.

Some ladies do see their regular friends at their home. If this is something you might be able to work with in the beginning it can help your bottom line. Others will see gentlemen with excellent verifications for the first time as well.  There are many pros and cons to seeing people in your private space to think about first but it does work if your careful.

Each gentleman has a different comfort level and will let you know what arrangements they might be comfortable with. Once the gentleman is screened it is easier to reside how to accommodate your date.

In Tampa hotel rates should go down for the summer away from the beach area. Less people travel on business during vacation season but many locals leave town as well. Summer has always been slower for ladies in the summer so many tour.

Stay safe and only do what is comfortable for you

Kisses Haley

I wouldn't have a problem with a deposit. On the other hand, if we have built some trust thru time, you may just pay for it up front and I'll slip it in the envelope.

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Yes, a neutral space would work best, at least until I got to know and trust a provider. I think I would discuss what places would be acceptable to her first, so that we both would feel comfortable.

Perhaps I'm just too cautious.

Your incall and outcall rates.  Quite a few providers do this to compensate for the overhead.  This is a business principle, just like any other business.

Of course, you'll probably want to get a 3 star hotel like Best Western, La'Quinta, or Holiday Inn.  If I'm seeing a provider on a regular basis, such as once a week, there's no way I'm shelling out an additional 300 a date for a 5 star resort on top of the donation.

As for cancellations, you could implement a cancellation fee policy, or only offer incall on certain dates when you know you already have 1 client booked.  If you do this and have 2 clients, and 1 of them doesn't show, then at least you still have 1 date and are able to make use of the room.  I don't cancel dates unless I have a legit reason.  If you post a message about NCNS clients being black listed, most will probably realize their reputation is at stake if they don't take the appointment seriously.

Thanks for responding, Haley. Yes, that is one of several reasons it is impractical to have my own space right now. And if I did, I couldn't do it on the cheap either. So that will have to wait a while!

I think the most practical solution would be to find someone to share with!

Unfortunately for me, I can only do incall.  I can see that renting a room for only one client is not that good of a business practice, with good rooms not being cheap.  As far as most appointments being incall, I have no idea how true that is. I would suspect that the number of incall dates exceeds tha number of outcalls, main reason being, many hobbyists are married and hosting at their home could be marital suicide.

Swim

Thanks for responding, Swim! I hear you, my friend, and that's one of the reasons I posted. I hope to be able to come to some solution soon! One that will accommodate most situations.

I'm an experienced hobbyist. Probably 1-2 dates a week. Mostly outcall in my hotel as I'm fortunate enough to travel on business every week 3-4 nights. I'm FAR more comfortable with that arrangement and figure since I'm paying, the provider should accept the 'risk' of a new spot and the nerves that go with it. IF she does her homework odds should be overwhelmingly in her favor of a successful date. I very very rarely go to incall. I don't want to pay the fee AND assume the risk/nerves. Good question.