Since the branches on yesterday's GD thread have been closed, I am bringing this here because I want to make sure that something is clear.   You replied to one of my posts as follows:

"One small correction. TER has supported Provider Ads since 1999...and since the inception of the site. Sorry if you guys don't like seeing our ads either. Maybe TER should eliminate the provider ad boards, lock us alone with ourselves on the provider only board and leave the regional boards to what seems to now be ISO boards. Bam!!! And the ladies are gone just like that. Invisible, objectified and without a voice like some of you tend to like us.  

I know you're trying to be supportive and understanding but you kind of stated that you don't want to hear from us either when you said you have a problem with provider ads. I feel a need to be very specific on this topic."

I never stated or implied any of that, not in the post you replied to nor any of my other posts.    I have never complained about the ads at all.   While I also know that your first paragraph may not have been directed at me, I do realize it states "some of you," nothing that I said could be interpreted to mean that I would like the ladies objectified, invisible and without a voice.   Not only do I enjoy the participation of the ladies, none of these boards would be the same without you,  I have stated several times that all should be able to express their thoughts however they want to, take the good with the bad.    I much prefer open discussions and really knowing what others think even if I disagree with them or they express it in ways I would not necessarily use

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I will stand by anything I have stated, always with the understanding that there are other points of view,  but I don't like words being put in my mouth, specially when they are 100% diametrically opposed from what I have stated and believe.

I was fine yesterday and am fine today. In my opinion it was a healthy (albeit heated) discussion where I was trying to narrow down exactly how some of you feel toward women on the GD and in general. I've not checked the GD board today and probably won't. I'm assuming that the reason you came over to the Florida board to carry on with yesterday's topic is because the scene over there got really ugly after dark. I don't know but I do wonder if you're trying to start a repeat of yesterday's show on the Florida board? If you wanted to clarify why not just contact me via PM? Your post here on the Florida board and the fact that I've been followed over here twice by people from the "boys board" kind of confirms my suspicions. We ladies are better off not posting on the GD board at all. You bringing this up here -- in my home camp --- kind of confirms my argument. We girls better fall in line. If we don't we'll be bullied into submission and the "board boys" will quiet us one way or another.  

I wish that the handful of personalities who love to swing low with one hand while reaching for the juggler with the other would take a moment to read my last few posts on the Florida board. I've been trying to do something **good** here. I've been trying to bring our community together by posting about things that everyone can healthily participate in. I understand you're trying to be nice (in a way) but again -- I really wish you had handled this differently and that you took whatever leftover issue from yesterday that's being carried over today up with me via PM. This is me being open, honest and stating a difference of opinion. I hope you can understand.  

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Oh boy!  The purpose of my post yesterday was  not to start a show or scene.   Quite the opposite, I would like for the negativity to stop.   Although I have been here long enough to know who and what the Board Boys are, I am not sure that there would be many people who would accuse me of being one of them.   However, if you think I am one, fine.  Nobody sent me over here, I don't have an agenda and I did not "follow" you here in the manner you imply.    I live in Florida, it is the first board I check when I login, but let's face it, there is not much going on, and therefore, I don't post much.    

Since I do live here and since I do check this board, I know you also live here.    The branches of that thread are closed on the GD.   I did not start a thread concerning my reply to you on the GD board PRECISELY because I did not want to start drama or involve too many people.   I thought that since our board is a little bit off the beaten path, this would be a better venue.    Anyway, I don't have VIP, I can't PM you.   However, let me be honest, even if I did have PM capabilities, I would still have posted it because you did not PM me, you misconstrued what I stated in a public forum.   Simple really, you replied to me in public, I am replying to you in public.

Opinions are fine, but your reply to me was not a matter of opinion, you misstated facts.   Here is my post:

"Some may say, fine, the purpose of TER was for guys to exchange information, not necessarily as a platform for the ladies to advertise.     That being said, count me in as one of the guys who would dearly miss the input from the ladies.    As a matter of fact, it is precisely because of the discussion boards that I know exactly who it is that I may want to see depending on which city I visit on business in the future.    While the photos, personal statements and reviews are useful, the boards give me a glimpse as to who the lady may be and how she thinks."

From that you gathered that I am against ads?   I have seen some guys use that reasoning, that TER was created by a guy for guys, not as an advertising venue for the ladies, like it or leave it (BTW, that may have been true at one time, but things tends to evolve).    Anyway, I used the pronoun "some," because I am not in that camp, if I believed that, I would have stated that "I believe" or "the purpose of TER is...."    However, if that was not clear enough the following sentences should give you a clue that I want the ladies around, that it is beneficial for both the ladies and the guys.      

In addition, if you also read any of  my other posts from yesterday, you would also have seen that I stated that all should be able to post their opinions.     At best, I find it puzzling that from the quote above, or any of my other statements, you would choose to reply to me implying that I am part of a group who wishes to objectify women, make them invisible and without a voice.    Sorry, but that is factually incorrect and nothing I wrote came even close to implying any of those things.  As I stated above, those statements are 100% diametrically opposed to what I believe and that is why I have taken the time to address them.  

I am not posting to garner anybody's good graces, it just simply irks me to be associated with ideas that don't reflect what I believe.   Opinions are fine, but this is not a matter of opinion.   You told me what you wished, what I wished was a simple reply back saying "you know, I read it again, my bad, it is what I was thinking but I just happened to post it as a reply to you," or "I placed it in the wrong place, sorry" or "I misread what you wrote, sorry." It would have been nice but instead I get a post slapping my hand for addressing you on the boards, confirming how bad things are that y'all should fall in line and boycott and telling me that this is simply a difference of opinion.  Huh

If a thread is closed, and you continue it on another board, admin. could bust your balls big time. Just sayin'.

all that time to post and post and post. Grow the fuck up and take a look at yourself. Fix yourself because you're not perfect either. And after you write your nasty thought put yourself on the receiving end of your message. Hope this helps you fuckers realize we are humans and have feelings. Go volunteer all that time you have posting your crap and make a difference in this world.  

Or better yet, eat my pussy that'll shut you up for a good long time baby

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as NEVER been "provider friendly" IMO. Think about this ....

On TER, a provider CANNOT even create her own profile! Some man has to do it for her.

On TER, A provider CANNOT reply to her own reviews, there is incentive to the men to write reviews
and IF any of them are not Legit, it's a pain in the neck to have them removed ...  
IF one is even able to have them removed.

On TER, IF a gentlemen, is "discreet" (a word I see here constantly) ....
in a review, it is "kicked back". Apparently, TER would rather the men embellish a review  
with lies than post a simple TRUE review of a date.

NOW, there is the ability to attach a link to our websites, here in the discussion forum BUT,
at least IMO, that looks, well .... not good so, I personally never do that but, I guess it's a plus.

Bottom line, IMO, anyone who tries to change this board is fooling themselves, at least for now.
Having said ALL of this, TER DOES cover a wide area (far greater than small local boards) SO ...
one should take into consideration the good AND the bad and make the best of it

"The mark of a champion is the ability to adjust.

I don't understand what you're gaining here??

You **really** could have handled this via PM. Even if your initial post wasn't intended to embarrass me the fact that you had to post a second one tells me your intentions are not as innocent as you claim them to be.  

You call me out by name on the Florida board but you say you aren't trying to silence me? I see that you only have 2 reviews so you must not realize yet that what you say is permanent and forever on TER. NOW, when someone does a search for "Laney" your thread on the Florida board (where you unnecessarily call me out) will pop up over and over again --- thereby affecting my business in a negative way. Can you understand that when my business is affected because of post like yours you ARE silencing me on the boards.  

I'm going to give it one more shot at making a point: Your post/thread here in Florida is **exactly** what we ladies are talking about --- even if you say you're on "our side". I stated an opinion and fact that ladies are/we're boycotting the GD board. I have no control over what the community chooses to do. I was trying to help by bringing some light to the matter and to point out that it's the **boys** drama on the GD board (and there is quite a bit of it) that we're so tired of seeing and being subjected to. Instead of trying to actually hear me the guys jumped all over me like they usually do - with no boundaries and no decorum.  

We girls are sick of it being the guys who start the nastiness, name calling and outright humiliation of others - while hiding behind aliases and names with no or few reviews. We're tired of trying to defend ourselves from the degradation and we're tired of being labeled "troublemakers" when we stand up for ourselves. Guys run around ALL the time (again, no matter who's side you're on) calling us drama queens, catty bitches and so forth but look at what you (and many other men) are doing on the boards?? If I were to comment today on the GD board about your secondary thread in Florida how many guys do you think would come at me?? --- If *I* started a second and third thread about the same subject, refusing to let it expire how many guys would be bashing me both publicly an back channel? At the end of the day you guys have NO idea how much your words/gossip affects us. Ultimately - it's we ladies who suffer from the board bashing? Why - because we have websites and photos that people look up and follow. All we ladies are left with after a board thread goes bad are bogus aliases and a slew of hate posts. There's nothing fair about that and so – over time, we ladies decide that it's pointless participating because ugly, mean and nasty will ALWAYS be louder than poised, thoughtful and eloquent.  

Finally and most importantly - I don't understand what you're gaining by splaying me on my home board -- other than perpetuating the negative theatrics we've been discussing and saying you're so against?? I know that you're more than likely taking this to the Reviewers Only board or whatever it is that you guys use to go off on we girls in a place where we can't even defend ourselves. I can't do anything about that but I can ask that the next time you start a thread and call someone out by name in your subject line that you think carefully about who and how it affects another person.  

I'd really like to leave this at the door today. If you need something else please PM me.  

PS. If you'd like to know how you silenced me this week -- I had a fun post ready to share with Florida yesterday and was about to start a new thread until I saw yours. I decided not to share because of the negativity I knew your thread would bring. If you're really from Florida and if this is the first board you read you should know that I've been going out of my way to keep it light and fun on the Florida board. I don't understand why you would do this to me now

First, you completely misrepresent what I stated on the GD board.   Second, you accuse me of some nefarious purpose in posting here, all I wanted to make sure was that you knew that what you stated about what I wrote is wrong (as stated, a nice " misread it, sorry,"would have been nice).   Third, you accuse me of being one of the "boys."  After  I explain to you that I do not have PM privileges, you insist again that I should have PMd you(again, your post to me was on a public board, I believe I am entitled to reply on a public board - really, who is trying to silence whom here?)   Fifth,  you imply that I am in cahoots with some group, somehow taking direction or discussing these issues with them - as you point out, I have two reviews, last I checked in order to be eligible for the RO bd, one needs ten reviews.   Sixth, you accuse me of impacting your business negatively?   You are the one who replied to me and misrepresented what I stated and you are the one who just keeps digging in, if it reflect poorly on you, it is because of what YOU are doing, take a look at what you have done.

I am not trying to "gain" anything, you took my words, you misrepresented them and I wanted to make sure that it was clear that I did not state what you implied.   A nice bonus would have been you saying, "hey, dude, you are right, you did not state that, sorry," but instead I get accused of all sorts of things.      

I am not on anybody's side, sometimes the ladies happen to be right, and believe it or not, sometimes the guys are right too, even the ones everybody seems to detest.   Yes, I "only" have two reviews, and yes, I have only been around TER for about six months, but yes, I realize that what is here is forever.    BTW, I "only" have 2 reviews because I don't like the review system and I have only done them when the lady in question has been truly exceptional and she has expressed that it would be alright to review her.    Those will probably end up being my two reviews ever, because now that I realize how nasty everybody is on both sides, now that I realize that others try to back-channel to find out who a particular individual is, it is obvious that participating as a reviewer, even if one wants to do it to recognize excellence, could be quite dangerous.

So, you are right, I am kind of a newbie and these few exchanges have shown me that regardless of where my heart may be, I really have to watch out, because attacks may come from very unexpected places.      For that I really do thank you and the other lady below.     Here I thought that the whole complaint was that the bad boys ran everybody off, now I completely see the other side (they are probably laughing their asses off at me for trying to be a balanced guy and I cannot say that I blame them).    

Again, I was not trying to gain anything, I was not trying to hurt you, I was not trying to silence you and I certainly was not following instructions from some sinister group out to get you.   You can believe that or not, it is your choice but even as a newbie I have a track record of posts and you can get a pretty good idea as to how I am.

I guess Hardwood was right, he knew exactly what I would be walking into when I posted to clarify my words, there must be a reason why the regional board in one of the biggest states is basically a collection of ISOs.     Pray do tell, is there a specific ratio of volunteer hours to the number of posts I am allowed?    Please do send me the booklet so that I can read it and make sure that I comply with your rules.  

Let me summarize:   I post that the nastiness takes two sides, that I appreciate the women posting and that everybody should have a voice and this is what I get?   All I can say is that it is illuminating.  As for being perfect, nowhere did state that, allude to it, imply it, but thank for pointing it out.

As I did to Laney, I do sincerely thank you, the two of you have shown me a lot, not necessarily what I was expecting, but it is a lesson learned.    I guess that I should simply STFU and leave the boards to the guys you know and love.   OK, off to do some volunteer work....

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I completely see why the ladies feel that way and that is what I meant by the fact that things evolve.  From my perspective, what I hate the most is the review system, the idea of putting a number on another human being is tough to get a grip on, at least for me.  If I could just say yeah, she showed up, she is the person in the photos, I did not get ripped off and she participated in the activities advertised, I would review every time.    

I like your attitude about taking the good with the bad, that is exactly what I said about letting everybody have their say.     I don't particularly like the way this thread has gone, but hey, I decided to play in the pool, I can't now come and complain about the splash in my eyes and that applies to everybody who participates.

What I find amazing about these threads that devolve into nastiness is that it is not happening in real-time.   This is happening with adults, typing on a keyboard of some kind with time to reflect before hitting "post message."      Alright, now I am truly off to go do some volunteer work....

I'm not reading the rest of your book. I have asked you three times to PM me with your thoughts and to please stop embarrassing me on the Florida board. PLEASE leave me alone. I'll be quiet now I promise

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...and it should be left at that. Discussion board conversations should not go to bed with you at the end of the day and they most definitely need not be carried over from one day to the next because it's really not that serious! Read by many today - passed over and forgotten about tomorrow.  

Laney

For the umpteenth time, I was not trying to embarrass you!

should go and volunteer my time instead of posting.   She is the one who told me to grow the fuck up, that I am a part of group of fuckers who does not realize that you gals are human?    For crying out loud, I guess the way this rolls is that I am just supposed to sit here and take it.   Really?

I am done as well, because as they say, we have a failure to communicate.   However, imagine that I replied to one of your posts and I said that you don't believe in ladies advertising, that women should shut up, that women should be invisible on this board and that they should be the subject of objectification.       Now imagine that you read that, would you just let it stand or would you address me for completely misstating what you believe?    

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Hey, I may be a John, I may be a man, but I  hope you ladies realize that I am human and have feelings too.  Works both ways, right?

Xx

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know you, therefore I wouldn't say that about you.  

I don't go to the GD board at all anymore. It's nonsense. Plain and simple.  

We're here to suck and fuck and make friends... what's so hard about that?  

Now eat my pussy lol!!!  

So I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I don't even know the thread you're talking about.

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I am here to fuck and be sucked, I heard you ladies don't exactly like it when we suck

Talk too much, write too much, I actually laughed out loud when Laney said she would not read my book.    Lots of folks have complained about my verbal diarrhea since I started posting, I was getting better but I am afraid I have had a relapse   Laney, if you read this, please know that I really did not have any malicious intentions.

Just hoping there are no hard feelings or worries on this guy. Really he is nice and not out to get anyone. Maybe could have skipped the class comment, but I spanked him for that.

I have to stay out of the actual argument, because I don't like getting followed to my local board either; however, in reading his OP, and knowing the guy from a couple of longer dates & emails, he's not meaning to troll. He really is a nice guy. I think the posts after yours was a knee jerk reaction, not realizing you were talking about the whole on the GD board. But again, I won't justify that. Just being a character witness...

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think they are fine? It's baffling...and funny.

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They are my heros. Looney seems to talk to much nonsense

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Not on you, but on Laney. There is no fucking way in hell she is ever going to "be quiet now"

I am willing to lay serious odds on this, any takers??? lol

and there is absolutely no reason to try and embarrass her, she does a perfectly good job on her own.

I know you are a bit new around here, and you really seem to have your head screwed on straight, but let me give you one piece of advice. There are some people here, both men and women that you simply cannot reason with. Laney is one of those people. This is a "discussion board" but some people think any kind of actual discussion that disagrees with them is "mean".

How can you hate someone you've never met so much? Am I unaware of something I've done to hurt or harm you?  

Because you and apparently so many others can't stand my presence or my contributions to the board (even the light hearted ones) I'm considering obliging you and have inquired with TER admin as to what my options would be surrounding going inactive.

I don't "hate" anyone, I simply call them like I see them, i can't help it if a bunch of ubersensitive hookers and johns have somehow found there way onto an adult fuckboard.

and why do you need Admin's help to go inactive? If you don't want to post, or read the posts of others, simply stop doing so. See how easy that is.

I don't care one way or the other if you go or if you stay. You have just as much right to post as anyone else, but you certainly don't have any more right to do so than anyone else either. You have the right to post your opinion, I have the right to post mine, you don't see me crying to admin that you are "picking on me" do you?

I have a suggestion, grow up. For an old broad you have a very immature attitude.

BTW it's even more immature to PM someone and then block them from replying.  If you don't like it here, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out the door. ciao chica

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Have had the pleasure of her company a couple of times and always enjoy seeing her at M&G's

She has a very valid point, this should/could have been handled via PM

Enough drama, don't pick on the ladies

When someone sends a verbal threat intending purposeful harm toward me you can bet that I use the "ignore" button.  

Is what was said on the board REALLY so serious that you -- a supposed respected hobbyist -- would threaten a provider whom you've never met and don't really even know? There are no words.  

I've found **several** posts out of over 10,000 that you've personally written where ladies refer to you as a stalker (see below) Guess I've been right all along. I was wondering why you got so heated. Seems that "stalker" is your hot button!! LOL

 
https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=87471&boardID=29&page=1

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