Does AID's exist? While I personally know of people who have it and have died from it, I do believe it exists. Just as STD's exist using protection to better the odds is always good advice. When I first found the FKK scene they used to turn away foriegners at the door. They still do this today, although less common. Even today big clubs like GT turns away some guests at the door. I've witnessed it myself, this is why they almost all use buzz in security doors so they can control who comes in. Some of the smaller less known clubs want to protect their regular client base from illness. Some clubs turn away people by their skin color. I've heard reasoning from some races don't treat the women well and cause problems, are loud and smell bad. I've also heard the reasoning that dark people come from Africa where AID's is rampant.

In all fairness have you done a Google search for HIV infections by country? Germany is very far down the page, towards the bottom. While almost all African countries are at the top or to 10. What scares me is the huge influx of Indian people who now have money and are traveling to Germany. India is in the top 3. So the chances of getting HIV from someone from India appears to be greater then getting it from someone from Germany. But then if that German gal was just with someone from India last week and today she's with you, what does that mean? It's a crap shoot and all we can do is assume.

While I was not shocked at a previous post where someone just plain asked "where do I find BBFS? (bare back full service)" It did make me think. It does scare me how common the question is becoming. I recall a guy I used to read about that went to Germany often, he also talked about BBFS as if it was some special thing he managed to do. He died a few years ago, quietly, never to post again. This is also what scares me, what happens when the customer comes down with HIV?

I can tell you if the club get's wind of this the girl is banned from working. Since the day the customer tells the club they got infected and who the girl is the club may be liable. This is the last thing the club wants and you'll never hear it on the news, its taboo for business. I've heard of Syphillis cases at 1 of the 3 big clubs near Frankfurt, the girls (there were more then one) who were suspected of having it were quickly removed, never to be seen again. OK so the clubs won't share this info with you, its bad for business. The women I'm sure are not going to tell you "hey I'm HIV or I have a nasty STD".

So what do the customers do when they come down with it? Do they stop living, stop making money, go away, hide in a corner and die? I doubt it, many ignore it, some are angered and lash out while perhaps the very few do the right thing.

I met a guy once who was going to Germany for sex, he had come down with HIV by doing BBFS in Thailand. He had been banded by several clubs and threatened by people when they found this out. So he merely jumped from one paid sex country to the next. This really bothered me, but it also enlightened me at the same time. What happens when you get infected? I was surprised to find that some infected women have the notion to spread HIV to as many men as possible for revenge for them being infected by a man. Who do you blame if you become infected? Yourself for not wearing protection, the partner?

The harsh reality was when a poor working girl in Thailand told me she had no alternative but to continue working till she died. Infected or not infected, when it came down to her feeding her family and you getting infected what do you think she did?

OK it's harder for a man to get it from a woman then a woman from a man. But its not impossible and you'd be surprised how many women allow anal.

The sex trade in Germany is changing, years back it was a more local hobby, clubs were more private, less known and did not advertise on the web or paper. With the economy when it came to staying in business they opened their doors to the non-locals. Places like the Palace which used to be known as "Paradise" and be much smaller and less known are today well known for tourist. Even the female talent pool is mainly foreign (not women who live in Germany). The chance for infection is much greater today then ever. By the larger customer base and the larger talent pool of women who work in Brazil one day and Germany the next (this is just an example).

Buyer beware, Russian roulette is a great comparison. If feeling a bit better for a few minutes is worth putting your life on the line you need to re-think life. Russia by the way is No. 13 right up there with China, USA, Thailand and Brazil. India is No.3. The pattern appears to be relative to travel, business and paid sex countries. Except for Africa, perhaps this has something to do with poor countries?

This is my opinion, my experience, just my view, I can be wrong. Its just some things to think about when joining this hobby and wanting to continue to enjoy it, not just for you but for all of us, providers and clients. Think about it before you do something that might cause problems for us all.

It's amazing to me that this would even be offered anywhere.  It honestly makes me scared to go to an FKK club in two weeks when I am in Amsterdam.  I was looking forward to a few BBBJ's from some women, but the last thing I need is to come home with something.

The problem with this hobby is it's a human thing, what I mean, it really depends on WHO you are dealing with at the clubs. The clubs don't allow or condone it. It's not about FKK of Germany as this situation can occur in any country. The clubs can not control what is done, since its usually all behind closed doors. For example I got BBBJ when I was in Nevada, while this does not seem to be a big deal it's illegal and against the law. The point is it was done.

The problem today is a guy could go to a club and a girl could offer it. While slim and not common it can happen. With the internet, this guy could post his experience and then hundreds of guys now take interest. This has happened and caused much talk. The problem then is what happens? A. Lots of men flock to this one woman requesting the same? B. Someone tells the club and this behavior is stopped? There is such talk on discussion forums and it worries me that they allow it. What is worse is that men don't wake up and think about the future of the business and this might affect things.

As stated in other posts above, it is more difficult to get infected from a woman by a man and the use of a condom helps even more. I've said this before that with the new influx of women from the new countries added to the EU problems are increasing. Poor countries mean less health checks and doctor exams.

If in doubt, double bag it (wear a condom for BJ and FS). No DATY or Kissing and you should be fine. The more you indulge in the other options the higher your chances or risks. Then again this is NOT an FKK thing, its the same rules that apply all around the world. I suggest we not make this an FKK issue rather an issue that deals with sex between partners in general.

Lastwebid's experiences are similar to mine, I've been going to the FKK's since the early 1990's and on average 4 trips a year with up to 8 trips a year. I've probably been to more then 100 different FKK style clubs in Germany and surrounding countries. In all those years and women, I've not came down with an STD. Urinary track infections about twice was it. Pretty much all the women I've personally been with were all pro condoms. Play it safe, don't go looking for bbfs. As a friend once told me these things are part of the hobby.

>The best website, truly the only website, to pay >any attention to is webhelp.org

I think you meant medhelp.org (although webhelp looks useful too...just different topics!)

Yes AIDS is rampant in India. I am from India (migrated to US 10 years back)and have heard horror stories. Lack of education in the red light district is one of the reasons for spread of AIDS in India.

But remember there are two very distinct societies in India-- the affluent and the poor. These two sections usually don't mix. Even if they do it will not be for sex.

The poor don't travel to FKK clubs in Germany. The average income of an Indian is about $1000, so you can imagine what the poor must be earning.

So the chances getting AIDS from an FKK girl who had sex with an Indian is extremely rare. But like derkdiggler said, always play it safe.

FInally a question: Does anyone know if FKK clubs are turning away Indians because of the AIDS issue in the country?

Asian Tantric,

I apologize if my post appears to single out Indians. This is how misunderstandings come to be. What one person states that may not be true is then repeated.

One could conclude that the country with the highest concentration of HIV could mean that the risks of having sex with such a person increase your odds. Thank you for your input, this clears things up.

I do recall a time when the women at the clubs did not want to service Asian men when the Bird Flu thing was going around. The women were actually asking the men for where they were from due to this.

Most of the clubs will not turn you away for being Indian, if they turn you away it will be more due to color. The darker skinned men usually are the ones with entry problems. Palace, Oase and World you won't have a problem, other clubs there is a slight chance. I've seen it happen several times myself. If worried then go with someone who has been or knows someone.

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