It's difficult to pick out a predator no matter how well screened they are, and this appears to be what's happened to me.  I recently had a visit with a new guest that writes a lot of reviews here on TER, and I'm talking rounding up near half of one thousand.  He has more than a score of OK's on another membership paid site that verifies real-world ID's.  He went beyond the bounds of our time together with an item quite clearly listed in my TER profile (where our first contact occurred) but told me during the afterglow that it was my responsibility to have known he was going to do that, based on the fact that he expected me to read his Ok's on the other site and I would have then known about him what I *should* have known.  Only problem is...that other site doesn't work that way.

His messages are spread across four different platforms to create a trail of un-referenceable chains. Phone texts, TER, the other site, and in persona verbal (where the contradictions couldn't be any kind of a written record ).  He has asked if I would like a good review now...or an even BETTER review later after a second session when I'm able to "get over my uncomfortableness" with working past the menu items that are my hard limits.  Hard limits that are both in black and white, in addition to in-person.

This reeks of outright extortion, and it makes me uncomfortable.  I may be new to this field, but I'm not new in the manners of the world.  

-C

No one should ever be pressured into doing things that they don't want to do. So sorry that you are having to put up with this.

The problem is, there was no pressuring during our encounter.  He merely did what he wanted to do, without warning, afterward chastising me for not knowing better based on unverifiable and imaginary references.  The true predation comes from a "this for that trade" hinting at a bad review if I don't go along with moving past my "uncomfortableness" in my non-menu items that put my life in possible jeopardy, long term, due to a possible fluid exchange I only engage in with well-trusted partners in my civvie life.  

He has since contacted me threatening to contact TER support, to which I've welcomed him to due so, or to join this thread, owning to his actions if he felt truly wronged.  I have followed all TER TOS guidelines, having intentionally not mentioned his user name here, or from other sites, both on this forum, and in all of the TER and private emails I've received.  

I know he is reading this forum as well, and I wish him the best in changing his modus operandi, so he can be a more valued member of this community.  

There are no truly negative life experiences, every misstep is an opportunity to Learn.  

-C
 

Thanks for sharing your experience, I'm sorry you had to go through that. Good luck!

When guys threaten me and try to entrap me, I tell them to go ahead and do it. I have offered one dude to meet me at the police station, and I would present my ID with him so he could have better evidence, and we could just hash it all out together.

I've also offered someone a two way ticket to Chicago so they could follow through with their death threat to me, but after I forwarded their emails to t-mobile abuse line. I also sent my "last requests" and "last meal". It really pisses me off when someone is sick enough to put unease in your heart. It's animalistic and sick.

Do you have this in writing? I highly suggest you take a screen shot of the correspondence and send it to TER support as well.

email [email protected]

ALWAYS keep screen shots of these things. Not just emails, but screen shots. And make sure in the screen shot, the email address, date, and time he sent it from and to are included.

Op top of that, screen shot the IP address under the "show original" option in gmail. The IP address will be listed in there... takes some practice to find it though.

I had a couple people try to get a "try again for a better review" on me. I just let them keep it and then made sure to warn all of my friends about them. Let me know if you'd like to talk privately, and I can help you with the screen shots if you have the emails, etc. and tell you how to get a hold of support. -- Modified on 5/1/2016 5:15:22 PM

I remember a couple of instances where I was told "Shhhh. Don't tell anyone, because I can ruin your name!"

You sound like an empathetic, sweet person who wants to do the right thing. Keep those emails, girl.

Never have to tell anyone personally who it is, (thought I think you should for support reasons,) I respect people's boundaries, but you can always talk to us ladies for support and advice. After three reviews, you can get on to the PO board as well to get some great support and understanding.

I really hope you say no and just chalk it up to a bad review. I'll be checking out these reviews. Way to find the new providers and break 'em in. Fucking disgusting.

Keep your chin up.

Because these men smell intimidation and will take advantage of you.I wish you luck and be careful

It's pretty obvious who you are talking about and his review of you doesn't seem that bad.

I would just not schedule with him in the future if I were you. and as mentioned before, make sure to keep TER admin copied on any emails/text/PM's/smoke signals you might have with him.

For the record, I don't have a dog in this fight, I know WHO the guy is due to your "hints" I don't know the guy personally. In my experience there are actually three sides to every story, we've heard yours, i read his review of you which tells his side of the story. From what I can see, it's most likely that you are both telling the truth from your own perspective.

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Her profile clearly says she doesn't do CIM. Apparently he is literate as he can form sentences with words to write a review. At least he did us all the favor of letting it be known who and what kind of person he truly is. How vile.

of your relative youth and newness in this world.  

You don't have to put up with that shit. Stick to your comfort zone and become comfortable saying "no" when you are at your limits.  

Follow Courtney's advice and talk to some of the other providers to get some ideas on how to handle douchebags like that in the future.  

Thanks for posting this. I think everyone now knows who to avoid.

You are essentially giving him the okay to other ladies. He has done this with other providers.

Funny thing is there is a ton of well known providers on his whitelist.I looked him up on a site that has blacklisting and he's heavily blacklisted going years back.He has a bad reputation.I'll definitely put him on my do not see list.And I think cori should add her story to the blacklist to warn other ladies


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He may not have lowballed you, but he has tried to severely lowball me many times. I've learned lowballers to be slanderers, in reviews or even outside of reviews, to every-single-woman-they-meet, and every single man who communicates with them on TER (including your other reviewers.)

"Isn't she ugly? I thought she was ugly." Bitch, no you didn't - you were just pissed that I didn't give you a discount and made you pay full rate.  

Not every guy is like that, but the second someone tries to get below my time minimum or get a discount, I don't say "No." I say "We are not a good match". I will never ever ever see anyone who even insists on a discount, even if he agrees to pay full rate after I tell him no.

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1. As you know and as you stated, his behavior isn't a fluke. Men like this have a repeatedly misbehaved, acted disrespectfully towards providers and have been blacklisted. I used to have a girlfriend in the business. We'd talk shop about clients regularly. Without exception, clients who were bad clients during our time together were bad clients during my girlfriend's time with them. Always. Every damn time. It was uncanny. Their bad behavior was predictable.  

2. Clients who are disrespectful, difficult to schedule with, too communicative, needy, etc. during the booking process are always horrible clients in person. Here's the thing so many of them do not realize - when they show me from the very initial introduction what kind of people they are, there is not a chance in hell that I'm going to get naked with them and share my body with them. It's not happening. Ever. When they are a pain in the ass via communication, they are most certainly going to be a pain in the ass in person. Being an asshole does not make my pussy wet.

On P411 you basically have to OK someone when you see them, regardless of what they do and don't do unless it's outright sexual assault, from what I've gathered.  

If I whitelisted him somewhere, it's most likely occurred prior to this crap-storm really starting, and keeping track of all of this with the added worry of a bad review from him has me unable to remember where I did so.  If anyone could point that out, I would like to amend it. I mean, I only just got accepted to P411 a few days before this trip, and I'm still navigating those waters, in addition to many others.  

Though he did write a good-ish revue I contacted TER about editing out his use of the word "Attack" on my review, even with his use of a smiley face to imply it was a friendly lil rib poker.  They refused, so I feel it still needs to be addressed, and as these forums are admin'd before they go live, their publishing of this can be taken as an assertion to what I say ( or at least the format in keeping with TOS is well suited), so to wit:

He stated that I attacked him. Even though I never outed him in public, he's taken to slandering me on a review that can not be edited, nor will be edited except by him.  A very tongue in cheek "It's my ball, my rules, and if you don't like it, I'll take my toys and go home." schoolyard tactic elicited by Bullys worldwide for time immemorable.  It's crass, a low-ball maneuvre that belittles the hobby and gives decent gentlemen a bad name.    

In addition to not outing him, my correspondences with him have been professional and to the point.  Never an accusation nor a foul word. Those of you who have had the kindness to PM, have received that kindness in return.  There is no equity in Evil.  Mr. Bad-Guest has learned that now.  He has faired poorer in this endeavor than I.  When we talked after our meeting (via sms and PM on sites) I explained that being as well versed as he is, he should know where to find my menu.  And since his initial email came through here....well....Menu is item #1 after reading the reviews, no?   And with as many reviews he has had....well...follow the logic tree on that one, along with the fact that I stated in-person at our meeting the same menu.  He took it upon himself to sneak in his lil fetish, and I find that behaviour disgusting on so many levels.  To actively put someone Else's safety and life in jeopardy is criminal in it's essence.  Allegedly.  

Again, I appreciate all of the support, concern and well wishes I have received from providers and you gentlemen alike.  I feel I have I made a few friends, and a few great associates as well.  After all, once you look at the ledger balance sheet, if you're in the black...it's been a good day.

Thanks again everyone!

-Cori

Over time, I started to notice word orders and habits. Even copy and paste emails. "I'm a big time hobbyist/reviewer. Do YOU make the cut?"  

I fell for that so many times in the beginning - like - OMG a big timer wants to see little old me?? I have also noticed, if you do see a guy like this, they start to recommend their following to you. That becomes a lot of email back and forth, negotiation, manipulation, and just upsetting and tiring. It's so not worth the money. Then you slip up even with one of them, the disaster relief is unreal.
 

But via the email. Hopefully not to the point where the person actually meets you. The gut may not be flagging "danger, danger" as much as it is flagging that we won't click with the guy. I'm sure this guy she's talking about clicks with some ladies. But this is just not good behavior, and really really shitty.

I remember being new. (MZ, I'm sure you remember me being new too lol!) Fresh, naive meat is just some guy's buffet. I just feel bad for the new girls, but I also know I haven't really been harmed. .. my name has been slandered like nobody's business, all because I tried to over accommodate and really be a good person who did everything right, and made everybody happy.

Nowadays, I just don't give a fuck if someone doesn't like me for saying "Not a match." Because in the end, they don't like you anyway. They pretend to like you, but they don't like women in the first place. They think it's a game, and slander her name.

But girl, just use it as an opportunity to push yourself above haters, and to becoming the best you there is.

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I did un-whitelist him,  and in doing so I found he has written 27, yes twenty seven, more reviews since our encounter.

And I met with him about 41 hours ago.  So that's just over one review every 1.5 hours.

How is he capable of doing this?  

When did he sleep?

When did he eat?

Did he teleport between appointments?

And think of the monetary output.  Averaging the donation between providers, that's what a fast food worker, a very well paid fast food worker mind you, makes in about 20 weeks in their life. I never knew he was so generous in his donating capacity.  What a Champion in the hobby.  ;

I hear you.  

Though I'm green in this field, I'm not too green otherwise:

My rate is my rate

I don't negotiate

I don't barter

I don't succumb to persuasive words (if a man with a revolver pointed at my gut in my start in this, demanding my night's take, failed to do so leaving empty handed, and mind you without the coat I removed from him and still wear to this day as a reminder of the foolishness of others [and not to work past a certain hour], can't persuade me, no one will be successful at it)

The only way to counter a Bully is to stand your ground and weather the on-going assault.  Evil words have little wind, and you will seldom be blown so far off course, that a simple change in rigging and rudder won't correct your travel.

If anyone breaks my standing rules, I inform them they are blacklisted on my phone, and emails, and immediately do so.  Without hesitation.  I plant acres of empty lots in my home town with tens of thousands of vegetable seeds, to feed my neighbors and myself, and this is merely one back up plan I have to care for myself.  My neighbors and I tend the gardens together, and they in my absence in exchange for starting the program.  I will always eat, and every appetite I have will be met.  They are not extravagant nor are my tastes rich.  So, I don't fear reprisals or ill words from Bullys.  Those words are hollow and meaningless in the long run.  

I just thank you all for seeing reality through a haze of deception and ill intent.  You're all beautiful and deserve the best life has to offer!

Travel safe!

-Cori

 

I refused to Okay him in the other location, stating why.

They accepted and approved that, in addition to putting him on Double Secret Probation ( ok not so secret because they told him so) in addition to informing him that his little "Oops" moments won't be tolerated, as they also feel it is a form of sexual assault.  Even going so far as to refer me to counseling centers.  Such sweet people.

So...TL;dr  he's on notice on the two main sites he uses, he is further blacklisted on several sites, my membership will be approved soon on another major Chicago provider/guest website, and I will be carrying these warning there as well.  I feel he is too well vested in his current personae to rebrand, so hopefully he corrects his behaviour or drops from the hobby all together.

Thank you each and everyone for your time and words.  You've been great, and I'll see when I get back.

-C

No one will see him anymore.  Be safe everyone

do that bullshit.

How does he get to see so many ladies?

...and a prince to the next.
So ... even some of the very worst kind of clients can have a few stellar refs under their belt.

What really gets me is, At the end of his reviews, He says something like "Please treat her right."

Too much drama...

bc if youre accusing her of drama for speaking out after being assaulted by that cretan, youre pretty sick too

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Good job speaking up. Now get your ass on the provider only board. A wealth of information and support. Welcome