get a provider to go out with you on dinner OTC than to get a non-provider to get to bed.  

I am always in need of more coffee...  
I don't have a comment on the topic because I am a man trapped in a woman's body.
I love to F**K..... (wink)

that is exactly why we hobby..you are always guaranteed that delicious dessert after dinner..with a civvie..you have no idea how many dinners it will take to get some dessert..if you are lucky enough to get it at all..

Why not respect the terms of the relationship (which is transactional) instead of trying to get over on a provider? Yes if she falls for your charm, she may go to dinner with you if she has the time; but you should not expect this. As for whether its more work to get a civvie girl in bed, well depends on the lady,lol no set rules there.

It depends on the gal in both situations, as well as the chemistry. I see your point on the dinners, but I've done OTC dinner with a select few after only a couple appointments when I just wanted down time and some good chattin' time. xoxo

Keep the man trapped cause I loved licking your pussy. We don't want to change that do we

Vivan....no pressure on the provider. I may ask after I see her a few times if she says no then its OK with me.

a lot of cold water is spilled during dinner before there is chance of getting dessert.

it's pretty easy and much appreciated in my experience . . .

Outside the realm of what the lady does for a living,  it's easier to have dinner with someone you just fucked, than to get a woman who just stuffed herself with food to have sex.

Many providers are offended if you ask because this is how they earn a living. Not all of them can fk off on TER 8 hours a day lol.

LMAO

I believe that all women are whores.  Be it a provider or a civy (civilian), women use their pussies to obtain money, gifts, vacations, etc.  I think providers should get more respect because at least we are honest about the fact that we won't give it up unless we get whatever our greedy little hearts desire. Civvies are just lying to themselves when they marry the rich nerd and tell themselves i, "it's what is on the inside that counts" all the while fantasizing of their cool, hot ex boyfriend while boning the less than appealing husband and she does this all for that new diamond encrusted watch.

Ive been saying much the same thing for years!

Some civvie women marry for money but most marry for love. The latter category tend to be the ones who aren't interested in sex as much as the emotional connection and partnership they feel for their loved one. They use sex to reel in the guy but once married, the sex drops off. Married women who aren't having sex with their husbands can't be called whores because they're getting what they want and not having to put out very often if at all, lol. Not the definition of a whore.

Agree with you Giselle!

I agree and disagree. A beautiful woman knows that she is beautiful and understands that there are benefits that come with that. She may not want or get the same things when she is 30, 40, and 50 etc... I have grown to understand the nuances of different types of people. I also know that personality can get you everything that your beauty can and more. Jamie has a great personality and a go getter attitude.  Personally she is not the type of girl ( physically ) that i would like to visit, but that personality that can click well with mine definitely makes me wanna see how we would click elsewhere.

I agree completely, if you ask any woman what are the things you look for in a guy, one of first 3 will be money.
ask a girl which would she rather see the same hot guy in, in a sports car, in a tux or in t-shirt and jeans,
most will say car.  
Guys are the ones that don't care about money cause we keep giving away just to get some lovin.  

Posted By: giselle69

I believe that all women are whores.  Be it a provider or a civy (civilian), women use their pussies to obtain money, gifts, vacations, etc.  I think providers should get more respect because at least we are honest about the fact that we won't give it up unless we get whatever our greedy little hearts desire. Civvies are just lying to themselves when they marry the rich nerd and tell themselves i, "it's what is on the inside that counts" all the while fantasizing of their cool, hot ex boyfriend while boning the less than appealing husband and she does this all for that new diamond encrusted watch.  
   
 Anyways, I only do dinners OTC with very good, loyal ATFs but even then the date must end with "clocked" special grown up time.  
   
 My two cents and I swear I'm not jaded...  
   
 XXX-Giselle Parker