It is a well known fact that a large number of the guys who play around here are just completely unlikable.  And an even larger number are unlikable AND undatable.  There are good guys in this arena.  Just not all that many.  Most of the guys here are complete asshats - bad hygiene, bad manners, rude, obnixious, abbrasive, mean, cheap, unattractive, difficult, mean, manipulative, creepy, etc etc etc.

Thank you.... That's all I'm gonna say!!!! It's appreciated....

It is nice to hear from a gentleman what is proper and not proper when speaking to a woman let alone being intimate. We are all people here trying to enjoy ourselves and is nice when you have a gentleman like yourself appreciate that.

what a suck up post. As if you know firsthand any of those things about guys..their hygeine, their looks, their manners...based on what? These boards?? Whatever bro. Some of what you say is probably true, just based on the law of averages. But posting it here, as if you know firsthand, is lame to me. Unless you're a provider, as they say, you're mostly guessing based on negative-type posts

especially the part about dating married clients. I've had many a married client angle to spend time outside of the business. There is no benefit for me to date a client, especially a married one. I gain nothing and lose everything, including cold hard cash and my dignity. Yuk. But truthfully, the above applies for single clients too, because my clients really don't know me or anything about my life. They only know what I tell them about my life and that's very, very little.  Provider me ≠ the real me.  

Handsome, witty, charming, hygienic, one of the select few the women love to be with. The rest of us, what did you call us, oh yeah, disgusting assholes, are ugly, unkempt, disrespectful, obnoxious pests who the women loathe spending time with. Thank you so much for your paternalistic guidance on how to be a better person and more palatable for the providers to spend time with.  

Thank you for the kind words Brooke!  I really appreciate it

For reminding me that I'm doing it all wrong.  I could go on a rant about guys who date providers, but I just don't have it in me.  Sarcasm intended.

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As Brooke mentioned, I know this because I know a ton of ladies who talk to me about their business, and I have heard story after story after story about the guys I am pointing out in my post.  There are a LOT of those guys out there.  It's just not cool.  Somebody has to say something.  

If my post doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't apply to you.  My study came from 10 years of getting close to ladies, being brought behind the veil, and seeing what really goes on from a provider's perspective.  Not just one, but many.  And I have heard the same stories, over and over and over again.  These ladies put up with tons of shit from the guys.  But they won't come out and say these things because they don't want to jeopardize their business.  I don't have the same constraint, so here it is.

LOL, yeah, I'm one of those guys.  But that is my point exactly.  Those guys who take the standpoint that "these providers are not your friends, you are only money to them" are just plain wrong.  The reason they have that viewpoint, is because these providers are not their friends, and they are only money to them.  And these guys feel that applies to everybody.  They feel that because they have to, to maintain their own ego.  After all, why don't the girls want anything to do with them beyond their one hour appointment?  It can't be because they are unlikable!  And yeah, that was an actual PM I got from a well known, and for some odd reason, respected hobbiest.

great advice from a gentleman who is well respected by both his peers and his paramours..

Posted By: cosmicangst

Thank you for the kind words Brooke!  I really appreciate it  
   

Posted By: vipbrooke92

He knows because he has made real friendships with a lot of providers. Hes a very likeable guy and we feel comfortable talking to him about this kinda thing.  
     

Posted By: MrTwister

what a suck up post. As if you know firsthand any of those things about guys..their hygeine, their looks, their manners...based on what? These boards?? Whatever bro. Some of what you say is probably true, just based on the law of averages. But posting it here, as if you know firsthand, is lame to me. Unless you're a provider, as they say, you're mostly guessing based on negative-type posts.    
       
   

Those who need to be told to be clean, nice, respectful, follow the rules, etc., aren't going to change and those who already know those things and act accordingly are going to resent the condescending nature of your post.  It's a lose/lose proposal.

I can't imagine that you do...but sure looks like you are so deluded now that you can't recall your own words.  You've posted them publicly...do a search.

Based on your past posts, you are the type that thinks that hobbying is dating. You seem like the type that is looking for love in each session. In your naive POV, you really think that all providers will love you simply because of who you are. That type of mentality is foolish and dangerous.

I've met you.  

Guess they weren't ALL his friends?

Your comments about drama strike me as somewhat hypocritical.  You are the single most antagonistic person on the board.  You take opposing viewpoints that you yourself don't agree with just to stir the pot.  I will not deny that drama surrounds me, but don't act like you aren't out there creating your own drama on a daily basis.

How exactly does anything I said there conflict with anything I've said here?   I'm not seeing it.

That is what I am trying to figure out here?  What's up with this post if you are exclusively with one and only one provider?  What are you a pimp now?  Please man get a life!  No-one needs a lecture from you!

So I assume you realize your "study" is completely devoid of even a shred of empirical evidence to support or corroborate your apparently biased, and quite self-serving conclusions. I don't understand why you don't see the problem with relying on anecdotal hearsay to paint a huge segment of the male P4P participants as slovenly losers. The problem with hearsay is its patent unreliability, given you have no way to challenge the veracity or competency of the individual (in this case, the women who have complained to you) making the statement. For example, if the vast majority of men who participate in this industry are as awful as you describe (once again attributing your conclusion to the complaints of others), why do the women continue to see them as clients? Or are we to believe the women refuse to see them a second time and it is the select few model clients, such as yourself, that actually support the entire industry? Your message also implies, though I admit it doesn't directly state, that providers are delicate flowers who somehow need protection. Maybe I've been extremely lucky, or I am extremely naive, but the women I have seen all appeared to be extremely confident and self-assured, always leaving the impression they were completely in control of their lives and professions, and were perfectly capable of refusing to see a client matching the description you have so indiscriminately attached to most of the males who are presumably their patrons.

What the OP believes is that what a gal(s) tells him is the undisputed truth...and only for his ears.

Since I can't post up PM's here...I won't.  But you do recall the PM's/emails which YOU wrote regarding the issues that you now have a need to post...again.

Huh? How am I a pimp?  I'm not trying to get appointments for anybody.  That makes no sense at all.  

If Cosmic is right, and the vast majority of male patrons are slovenly assholes, why do the ladies continue to see them? You all preach about thorough screening, and you have your own back-channel board where you discuss the men, so it can hardly be a surprise when a client fits Cosmic's description, especially when he claims they are the pervasive majority of the men who participate in P4P. Could it be his "rant" is nothing more than a gross exaggeration of what is happening here. Otherwise, what kind of statement is he making about the ladies who continue to see these slobs? Just curious.

I know everybody talks to everybody and I have no dirty little secrets.  My life is pretty much out there for everybody to see.

I've met some 60+ providers and have become friends with a few that I can count on one hand. Yes, it's still a business relationship but giving me the occasional OTC time, chatting with me online and talking with me when they're not getting paid while I'm literally a drop in their financial bucket means I'm more than just a trick. Would they stop chatting with me if I never saw them again? I'm sure a few would but there are also a few who I haven't seen in years that I still converse with on FB, through email, etc.

Once again I will say, the wallet has been put away and I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the ladies who have remained my friends.

And think of it how hypocritical your OP is when taken in context with this post now.

you like more drama then a bitch that farewell post was comical.
   
      All your lady friends  lol!  wait till the bejamins run out.

I never approached the hobby for the purpose of dating.  In fact, I hobbied to keep myself from falling into a relationship.  I specifically tried to avoid "dating."  In every single scenario where lines have blurred it has been the provider blurring them, not me.  It has always been the lady who has invited me to lunch, or dinner, or the movies, or whatever.  It has always been the provider who initiated the friendship.  I am not one of these guys who are looking to date a lady here.  That was never my purpose or goal.  But when I was pursued, I responded.

Think about it dude? All you've done here is any provider linked to you will make many hobbyist DNS list! Job well done!

You do need to keep your story straight.  On both your comments.

I do like drama...especially when it doesn't bring my life or those of the gals I know into the mix.

Or so you claim in your post.  YOU respond to a gal "inviting" you for a lunch/movie as something more?  Talk about the epitome of hypocritical  LOL

It comes across odd to me from that perspective, sorry. I don't need this to come from someone else. Coming from you, or anyone else who provides the service...fine. From a customer?? Please. It strikes me as pandering to you, as the provider and somewhat hollow. I think you all can stand up for yourself.
JMO

What he said.

Awful lot of passion and anger in this thread.  The OP hit me like it did some others, rather pointless as if you need this advice you're unlikely to heed it.  But the dude says he heard some stuff and he passed it on (albeit pretty condescendingly), but if it doesn't apply to you ignore it.  It should be obvious that being a hygienic gentlemen (which doesn't mean being a sucker or a doormat) will lead to a better outcome...it does almost everywhere else.  I also think you're headed for trouble the minute you think it's anything more than a friendly business relationship; like CTP is fond of saying, "forget" the envelope sometime and see how that goes.  It's been said to death out here: everyone who has clients likes some more than others and there are some that are even loathed, though you do business with them anyway.  But when you're with clients the business side is always there...that's just the way it is.  Exceptions?  Sure, I guess...never say never, right?  But I'm betting one in ten thousand.

Even ChiCPA is jumping on board,

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I may be kind of a fatass but at least I scrub myself and don't act like a dick. Or at least not until someone is a dick to me, which honestly hasn't really happened to me in 10 years of this lifestyle.

Like they are rub people the wrong way especially when they are the ones guilty of the offending behaviors because they are secretly embarrassed and must feel emasculated.

hmmmmmm so you are accusing cosmic that is suppositions are not correct but the girls you have reviewed have no say so whatsoever in what you have written in their reviews about them and if that is really what happened in your session... do you somehow see the irony in what you are accusing others of doing which is what you have done in every review you have written?

When a client like that reaches out it ALWAYS puts a SMILE on my face!
Thank you soooo much for sharing tips every client should follow to enhance their own experience!

And no one is arguing any of those basic principles. It's common sense. That way of behaving is universally , without any contra arguments, the best approach to all aspects of life..having zero to with P4P. So why bother, in a 10 paragraph, complete with bullet points, diatribe write that to this community? Do you actually think any providers would disagree? Of course not...they're all 'woot woot'...duh. And the ones who don't fall into that category? Wasted energy. And the ones who are the perpetrators of these despicable acts? Maybe that belongs on the Newbie board. Sure. Newbie's need to hear all of the do and don'ts. But on this board it doesn't come across right. And for someone who sees 100's of women a year (just taking from previous posts, not knowing what's true ror not), you should know where a post like that belongs. It ain't here. IMO

Another 'wow' from me, sorry.

I may be reaching here but I always give newbies (first-timers with me) the benefit of the doubt.

My motto has always been...

I can't wait to see the "Back by popular demand" thread.  

I doubt ANYONE needs a lecture from you.

Fix your own house before trying to lecture the rest of us. Or even better, go back to being "retired". I mean honestly, what kind of narcissist does it take to announce his retirement from fucking hookers?

I have been with literally thousands of different providers, and I have been on TER for over a decade and there isn't a single woman who has ever made an allegation that I was ever the least bit out of line with her, and I bet the same can be said for CPA and the vast majority of the guys here. So just who is it that you intend on lecturing with your insipid little rant?

You're her driver according to your posts...you take her to buy her supplies as well.

Thanks for trying to out some members here.  Why not just share exactly which members YOU are suggesting are "guilty of the offending behaviors"?

Posted By: giselle69

Like they are rub people the wrong way especially when they are the ones guilty of the offending behaviors because they are secretly embarrassed and must feel emasculated.  
   
 Boo-hop for them.  I'm sure they can write about it in their diaries along with their teardrop stains  
   
 Keep up with the helpful tips to these guys with their heads up their assets!  
   
 XXX-Gizzy

There's a big difference between being grouchy and simply calling someone out for pontificating outright bullshit, and expecting people to take it as fact. The narcissism in the OP is overwhelming, as if he and the select few "appropriate" men (who he he fails to identify) are the only gents who know how to treat an escort, and the vast majority of male clients are disgusting human specimens. I also wonder what effect his blathering on about all his escort friendships and OTC time will have when future clients look to the ladies for the same thing. I'm sure they would all love those types of inquiries. Of course, who am I to say. I'm not an escort. Maybe the ladies are in this business to develop friendships and see their clients OTC because they don't have lives, friends, or families outside of this endeavor. I thought it was the opposite, but not being a part of Cosmic's group of appropriate gentlemen, I really don't know for sure.

Hey Cosmic, is ROGM a member of your gentlemen's fraternity?

If RodT finds his way into this thread I'm gonna track you down!  Isn't it bad enough ROGM responded in favor of the OP??

I suspect if an alias was to post a comment that you would also dis that as impertinent since no reviews are attached to it?

This is an oft discussed topic...do a search.

I know I would have been.

1. Before adding your inane commentary to this topic, actually spend some time reading the posts and understand what is being said.

I think everyone is just being mean when all he was trying to do was give a little advice based on his provider friends complaints.  There is really nothing more or less to the post so everyone who needs their happy ending for the day needs to back off and book an appointment...

Probably not

Shocked...I'm absolutely shocked.

ChgoCPA = Chicago Charming Polite & Awesome

Are you really so disliked that nobody would ever spend time with you otc? Maybe if you weren't so negative and jaded, you too could find friends who expect nothing from you.  Have you tried being a nice guy who doesn't bully others?  It's never too late, you know!

BORING!!!

I have plenty of friends. If calling out lazy asses, delusional people, and people not facing reality makes me a bully, I'm guilty as charged.  Guess you want me to enable that type of behavior. Sorry, not happening

Over the fact cosmic told you he wanted no part in being friends with you?

If you're going to be taken seriously about disliking someone you've never met, nor will...YOU need to be more emphatic.

Now you are speaking as if you ARE cosmic?  That's hysterical  

Posted By: giselle69

Over the fact cosmic told you he wanted no part in being friends with you?  
   
 Sweet, you are a balding, fat, hateful old man with nothing to do but pick on girls with sad lives.  Perhaps, I should move on but I find our (you not included) community enjoyable and helps to take my mind off of things.  
   
 Why don't YOU STFU and find some sort of outlet for your anger.  Oh yeah, that's right, I already spoke with her and good luck with seeing her again  
   
 XXX-Giselle Parker

CTP, you are one of the most universally disliked hobbiests amongst the ladies.  An appointment with you fills most women with dread.  But everybody kisses your ass.   The ladies take your appointments anyway.  Why?  They are afraid of you.  Nobody will speak up against you because you hold an obscene amount of power over the guys.  For some reason which I cannot fathom many guys think your word is gospel.  But the ladies hate you.   Why would anybody want to emulate that?

I am happy to show all of my emails and PMs to Giselle any time she wants.  I have hidden nothing that I have ever did or said from her.   She can speak for me any time as we share the same opinion on this.

Run into a nasty chick they do exist you know just like nasty guys do.
   I once had a farting contest with one of your very dear girlfriends  she put me to shame lol!  
   
    Guess what there were pigs in this world before you came along some you even slept with.
     And there will be pigs in this world long after your gone.
                       
                           

Some women hate CTP (or CPA..or cosmic...or anyone here), others love CTP (or CPA...or cosmic..or anyone here).  To babble that YOU somehow are they "authority" on what HookerLand thinks for anyone is even stupid for you.  You know a few gals...big fucking deal.  And what a shock that they'll tell YOU what you want to hear.

I'm sure she'd be impressed if you show her them yourself.  It would be a manly thing to do.  She won't be thrilled with the content, but I'm sure a few apologies and maybe a raise would help her deal with it.

Well this seals the deal.  

Posted By: macdaddy1944

great advice from a gentleman who is well respected by both his peers and his paramours..  
   

Posted By: cosmicangst

Thank you for the kind words Brooke!  I really appreciate it  
     

Posted By: vipbrooke92

He knows because he has made real friendships with a lot of providers. Hes a very likeable guy and we feel comfortable talking to him about this kinda thing.    
       
   

Posted By: MrTwister

what a suck up post. As if you know firsthand any of those things about guys..their hygeine, their looks, their manners...based on what? These boards?? Whatever bro. Some of what you say is probably true, just based on the law of averages. But posting it here, as if you know firsthand, is lame to me. Unless you're a provider, as they say, you're mostly guessing based on negative-type posts.    
         
   

Go back to your puppet master you spineless jellyfish. I love how people resort to the "people really hate you" routine in an argument. Try something more original next time.

What he said as well.  

What he said.  

And any of his 'news' is really of note?  

Sans envelope? I'd wager not.  

I fucking love this post and honest posts like this from women who do this as a means to make, or supplement, their living.

I don't think he factored in your 95% approval rating when castigating the majority of male clients during his obsequious rant. How about it Cosmic, does blondetoned's statistics change your assessment, or is she unreliable because she's not following the gentlemen's club line?

Here, let me quote just a little of it for you:

I posted that early this morning but it was not approved. I have no idea why.  

again BORING

no pay NO PLAY!
DUH..

Alyson, Please gain 50 pounds so you could advertise as a BBW and reduce your rates a wee bit.  Then, I could afford you. Now, I have a new fantasy...

Give it a whirl...it'll open up an entire world for you.

Better make that a double on the reading comprehension classes.

I'll let you think you won...

That'll raise the chances that you'd actually attend the class  LOL

I have no interest in feeling as if I am arguing with anyone here.
It's freakin WEIRD to me...  no gracias

Now you're gonna take pot shots at CTP??  In my experience he's been nothing short of helpful to me and to those on the board.  Yes he bullies some board posters, but only those who readily deserve it.  He's the last guy you need to call out and try to defame publicly.  Have a modicum of respect man.

Oh wait. Now I'm confused. I thought this thread was all about OTC time for guys who treat ladies right? Wish I could get a date once in awhile.  

Do the kids at 14 use the ignore buttons?  I'm guessing that silliness stops around 13.

Certainly doesn't seem that cosmic has any at this moment in time....so why would you think he would give CTP respect?

about 5% that fit into that group.  Personally I try to fixate on something I really like about a particular guest so even if I am not nessisarily attracted that thing makes him more attractive to me and I can better have my fun.  But no, it is not a majority of the guys, I screen those out before visiting with them.  Not all money is good money or worth it.

you can always lick my fucking balls asswipe..

now that is what i call a an enjoyable thread..filled with just enough hate and love and spiced up with our ever popular congenial assholes..i love TER..

You all have accused cosmic that basically his post was condescending. I was merely pointing out that the reviews that many of you guys write are from only your perspective with no input whatsoever of the girls perspective of what transpired.

She can browse through my e-mails, PMs, texts, etc, any time she wants.

-- Modified on 7/16/2014 9:49:35 PM

This thread has become so massive I can't even get through it all.  

I like you all...

-- Modified on 7/17/2014 12:03:09 AM

and we love you too!

Nobody took issue with the general theme of cleanliness and respect towards women. The complaints had to do with the condescending, narcissistic manner in which he delivered the message. To state as "well known fact" that most men who participate in P4P are assholes, and that he is one of a select few who act appropriately, is ludicrous. Nevertheless, I want to thank all of the women who responded so passionately in defending their white knight while he condemned the vast majority of their clients. It simply reinforces how fortunate I have been to see other wonderful women who don't hold us I such low regard!

that doesn't involve a World Series. Obviously, the therapy and medication are starting to help.

Your Awesome dude!!!! and I never meet you. keep up the good work

Thank you so much for pointing out what one would think are obvious rules and behaviors to live by in a community where we are physically intimate.

And if there is anyone here unsure of what a narcissist is, my advice is to simply read the OP. What a self serving, narcissistic load of crap, that is going to do NOTHING to deter the actual offenders who either hate women or have never learned to wash their ass.

Does ANYONE here really believe some guy, the type of guy that Cosmicsuckup is talking about, is really going to read his little hissy fit (I can't even call it a rant) see himself as one of the offenders and decide to do better in the future? If you do, please call me as I've got this bridge that I have been trying to unload for decades.