Can't they just be up front with it?  If I see someone advertising an hour, I expect to get an hour of what I want unless it is said beforehand that it is not included.  I mean, who really wants to pay $300 for an hour and one pop?  I don't go to a buffet and get one plate.  I don't go to Great America and only get to ride a ride once.  It is ladies like this that hurt good, real providers.  If there is any doubt whatsoever of what a lady offers, I won't even bother with her.  It is a shame that I see ladies with advertised hourly rates and my first question has to be if I'll even get my hour's worth.  

And better yet, there are those that offer multiple pops for an extra fee (usually at least $100).  Thanks for letting me pay extra so that I can use my whole hour.  These ladies may be even worse cause they are listed as offering MSOG in their reviews which of course don't tell me that they charged extra for that privilege.  (Different thread for a different day, but I don't see why each review doesn't show the fee paid.)  Even less helpful is when I run into "sometimes" for MSOG.  That's just fantastic... whatever it means.

And before someone gives me the "that's why you need to do your research" response, I do my research.  This topic isn't a response to a bad experience.  This is actually a response to extra searching I have to do and all the potentially good ladies I pass up cause of those that offer sub par service.  If you ladies want to get as many repeat customers as possible, at least try to pretend you want it just as bad for the whole time.

/rant

There are a group pf girls that are in town that trave together that are guilty of this ( Erin Adams, Nyla Ki, Kendal Cameron , Blair Lachapelle. They advertise 300 for an hour but its for one pop..they are not the only ones guilty of this

These providers obviously don't care if they get repeat clients.  The only time I would ever let a guy get away with just one pop is if he just wasn't feeling "up" to it and even then I give it the good old college try to get my guy to get rid of all of his excess "Gizzy-juice" before letting him go...

Shame on those girls for slacking off and not playing fair!

XXX-Giselle

giselle..gizzy juice..has a certain ring to it..i like it..

It is funny you mention them... I wasn't going to say any names, but seeing Blair's ad is what sparked the rant.  But like you said, it isn't only them.

You should write a review so others dont get duped.

Kudos to those that are able to get off multiple shots in an hour.  I'm usually working just to get off one shot in my hour, which I'm sure annoys some providers.  Because of that I have no issue with providers that offer only one pop, they can choose to model their business however they wish.  But I wholeheartedly agree that they should let it be known up front, or at least offer 30 minute sessions, so that guys who can pop quickly have options.

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This was covered already.  But to say it again, I haven't seen anyone like this recently.  There is no review to write.  I have those guys ahead of me to thank for that and I'm honestly grateful.

Actually, the only time I ever walked into this was my very first experience when I didn't know any better.  If I remember correctly, that particular lady wanted me to cough up the cost of another hour.  Little head was tempted, but big head won over that ridiculous offer.  Since then, I made sure to be very thorough and haven't walked into that problem unless I knew I was walking into it.

I guess they are free to do as they please with their own business, but what's the difference between someone that takes the whole hour to get off and someone that gets off two shots in a hour?  Hell, the latter probably gives them a couple minutes to rest while round 2 gets loaded.  It seems like a good thing to me minus the loss of revenue from the extra rubber.

Btw, this reply isn't intended to sound hostile towards you if it is taken that way.  I'm glad some guys actually get their money's worth from these ladies.

I do think there is miscommunication sometimes in that regard.  This is my personal thing, but I love a lady that just goes for it and/or asks if I want to go again.  Whenever that happens, I think "Yup, she's a keeper."  Sadly enough, this is far from the norm.  However, I will just ask if I'm really up for it.  I sort of don't like to ask cause it makes me feel like they aren't interested in it enough to ask themselves.  I am here and paying, so I feel it is clear what I want.  And really, a big part of "GFE" for me is the idea that this is mutual... the "forgot it was a service" review rating.  But like I said, it is a thing of miscommunication.  I am sure there are guys who think nothing like me and it really must be tough on the lady to read our minds.  For what it's worth, sometimes I'm perfectly happy with 1 shot.  I do like knowing going in that multiple shots are on the table though in the event that I'm quick on the trigger.

But this rant of mine wasn't really about those ladies.  I appreciate the thought on your part.  I'm talking about ladies that straight up don't offer it, who seem bothered to offer it, or who charge extra for it.

By no means am I an expert or overly experienced with providers, but the girls that were mentioned seem to be up front about what they are, what they offer and what they're into. I have not been with any of them but I have spoken with them and when I look at their ads, I know what I'm getting into. At least they're honest about the cost up front.

Having said that, I agree with most of these posts. Being up front about what you offer and being up front about what you want, from providers and clients, would alleviate this. But in the end, I completely agree that paying for an hour should absolutely mean a full hour...if I have to pay more for whatever, just tell me. Up sells suck...let's hear it for the honest girls out there!

Every man is different as far as their recovery and number of times they can take a go at it so to speak.

I wish more people communicated at the very start of the date what are their personal physical "limitations" are.

It would help me to tailor sessions better if I knew  that at least as we start.

Lina

They are not up front about it because they know you wont see them.

Most women is not going to tell you it's only one pop in fear of losing business but it's definitely great for these women or all women to be reviewed that way guys would know who does and doesn't. I personally will ask or wait for you to recover for a second or any amount arounds. I agree with most of all of you.

I like it too -A LOT!

What are you guys even talking about if anything you need to be starting a thread about the chicks charging 500 600 and 700hr whether is msog or not for the hr. those prices are ridiculous not to mention the girls who charge 1000/hr I mean why is every one on this thread acting like they never seen those ads before!?!??!

these girls you mention ALL have on there website that  
400 hr is there rate!(with msog)  so how is that upselling!?!!?

which in turn  would make there 2hr rate 800!

BUT there 2hrs rate is only 500 (which is 300 off)  they all seem to go out of there way to let every one know that you can not only cum more than once but they say you can have a UNLIMITED NUMBER OF POPS!!!!

where the hell have you ever seen that been said!

If you truly want to know and experience Upselling goto Vegas you will get a full and complete understanding of upselling!!!!

I have seen two of these girls and they do pretty much everything cim bbj daty dfk
why are you trying to take a group of good providers and try to make them look bad I will never know...smh

especially when EVERY ONE ON THIS BOARD should know a "rob" or a "bull shit " provider is someone who tries to give you a handjob for 300 or a massage I really dont even deal with providers who do cbj or wont do facials or ciim  girls who dont do that shouldnt charge more than 150 bucks hr imo.
these girls at least tell you UP FRONT have any of you reading this read READ any of these girls websites! Your speaking about how these girls are listed in there reviews as if they have any control over that ...thats a TER thing and the person who wrote the review....if you bothered to read there website they are not making it a secret that 400 hr is msog and 300 hr is 1 pop ...no more then they make it a secret that for 2hrs you get "no limit pops"!

I feel like if a provider does alot(ie hv a full menu) and has a very detailed website about there services and has tons of reviews out there I think anyone trying to make a decions should really know what they are getting into at that point there are no surprises out there at this point  about the girls you mentioned and there is another provider I am thinking about that i do not believe knows these girls and she is also very clear about the 1st and second cup thing also.

I notice alot of people will go by a TER profile for info of service and disregard the providers actual website which makes no sense to me because the provider has no control over what is list on a TER profile like she does with her own website. So why would her accountable for something you read on TER vs her own website?!?! confusion can be easily cleared up before you even go see her if your not sure ...just ask the provider if you are confused about something

FYI "sometimes" MSOG on TER means in a hr date there may be 2 rates ie 300 hr vs 400 hr(msog)
thats what "sometimes" means

Seriously, I think one of us might be drunk, because I am having a hell of a time following whatever you are trying to say.

zig

Recently, I saw a new provider for an hour appointment at $350.  I finished the first pop at the 20 min mark.  After a little recovery time, I said I was ready for round 2, and she said okay just give me the additional money.  I said I thought it was msog, and she replied "no, plus most guys can't".  

I've got like a half hour left and was thinking to myself "what the fuck am I going to hang out and talk with her for a half hour?!  I'm never going to book her again so why bother with any form of chit chat"  So I got up and left.

the problem is, in their post they state 300 for the hour.  There is no mention of a 400 and hour option.  So when you show up for the hour, you are thinking, one hour 300 dollars, multiples.  Reality is, 300 for the hour, you bust, you're done.

In order to find the 400 an hour with muti's, you would need to hit up their site, or check their reviews.  But lets face it, they are posting on back page and most guys checking out back page aren't in the "research the girl" kinda mood.

First, let me say that you are free to start a thread about the 500/hr, 600/hr girls if you'd like... or a "rob" or a "bull shit" lady as you call them.  No one is stopping you.  As a matter of fact, high priced ladies have been discussed before here.  I will not share my thoughts on those ladies at this time.  However, if a lady charges an amount I think is too expensive, it is very easy for me to turn around and not waste any more time.

Now to the topic at hand...  I discussed two different types of ladies.  There is the first paragraph that mentions ladies that are one pop with no real warning.  For the sake of your post, we can just forget about these ladies for now.  

My second paragraph discusses ladies like the ones you are defending.  These ladies advertise "hourly" rates and then say, "Well, you can get MSOG in that hour you are already paying for if you pay extra."  I'm not saying they don't advertise this.  If it came off as me saying they were in the same category as the first paragraph ladies, I didn't intend for that.  For these ladies, I'm saying that I think paying extra to be able to use my entire hour is nonsense.  I am here cause I'm looking to pay for one thing.  If you tell me that I can go for an hour at 'x' amount of dollars, I don't see why it matters if I pop once or five times.  I am paying for that hour just like the other guy who used the whole hour on one pop.  Why do I have to pay $100 extra for the same amount of work the other guy got?  To me, it is lazy and a clear indication that the lady isn't about pleasing her customer and probably not all that into what she does.  I feel it tells me all I need to know about the service.  It is such a turn off that I don't even consider seeing that lady for that extra $100 and I just move on to ladies that offer better service.  That is what this thread is about.  I'm sure not everyone agrees with me, but it is my feeling on this.  I won't regurgitate all my comments, but feel free to read my other posts here and I think I've made that clear.

I've experienced upselling and this is not that.  I didn't use that word at all.  You are the one that chose to mention it several times.

Your comments on these ladies charging $500 for 2 hours...  While you see 'deal', I see 'scam'.  They are trying to push extended time on me.  Again, this just goes back to "Why am I paying more to get what I could have paid less for?"  I will say that if I had a good time at $300, it is completely possible/likely that I up for the $500 next time... so I'm not saying I won't pay that much or won't do 2 hr+ dates.  I have already done that several times and this isn't about that.

Thanks for the info on "sometimes", but I still think it isn't used properly if that's what it's for.  Of course, this has nothing to do with the lady and I touched on my dislikes with TER's reviews in my OP.  If "sometimes" means "for an extra fee", that should be the option instead.

I sure hope she didn't advertise as a GFE. MSOG is a required part of that designation. I always try to see GFE's just to make sure that rarely happens. But sometimes it still does to guys.

What?.... first of MOST  girls on BP dont post rates at all you have no idea what anything cost.
If your too lazy to click a link to a website ..thats on you.  Most providers have tons of rates i.e. 4 hr rates, overnight rates ,90 min rates, 1/2hr rates.. who wants to see all of that junk in a ad...thats why girls have websites for you to get a full explanation of everything PLUS YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK!!!!!! when you call/email her!
instead of assuming anything about a provider.
What I am trying to figure out is with all the bull shit 1's and 2's and 3's providers and fake pic providers and scams out here why is a thread being made about providers who truly provide GFE

Giselle chimed in on this thread but I went to her site she charges 400 hr (MSOG) the exact same rate these girls charge?!?!!? yet she is trying to come off as someone who is doing something better/or different her 2hr rate is 700(msog) there rate is 500 2hr (msog).....so i dont know what the hell she is talking about I just think she is clearly trying to make herself relevant in this discussion so someone can give her a second look....but I am sure the smart guys already figured that out.

anyway the hell ever!

no alias needed(EVER)

The one name I mentioned here also says she's GFE.  I actually tried searching the definition to make sure I'm not crazy cause I thought it was included too.  However, I had no luck confirming that it should be included.

I don't get why you are so hung up on the "bull shit 1's and 2's and 3's providers and fake pic providers and scams".  We all hate those people too.  Does a thread really need to be started to say we don't like people that rip us off?  Am I only allowed to be upset at one thing?  We are all very capable of having multiple dislikes, right?  It is like me saying I hate people that commit petty theft and you chiming in with "Yea, but what about all the murders?!?!?!  WTF guys?!?!"  Go start your own thread if that upsets you so much and see how much action you get.

And I guess you have a valid point.  We all could just ask.  Maybe I should just run down a checklist to make sure every lady offers everything not explicitly mentioned on her website from now on.  The fact of the matter is I do my research and don't need this step.  I typically stick to well reviewed ladies so I'm not caught by surprise.  I think I've been clear about all this.

And i really don't know why since I am very up front and I do alot to please....let me shed some light on my rates n malt
First off my rate is 400hr period with that it's all inclusive msog daty dfk bbjtcimnqns gfe pse facial swallow
The 300 hr rate was a special offered to guys who wanted to see me put felt like they knew 1pop was all they either wanted or could do so I offered a discount off 100 off! My normal rate

Which as anyone would know if they read my website not the ter page that I have no control over.
Most people opt for the 2hr special because who wants to feel rushed trying to get a second pop especially when some people need as much as a half hr just to recover.

The provider on this thread Giselle said "these providers " don't care about repeat Clientele... charges the exact same rate I do for the hr 400 bucks so here is what I am going to do for all Ter members effective immediately
My hr rate will be lowered  350 hr with GFE/MSOG for all ter members and people who have signed up for my newsletter on my website. This is something that I have done in the past for regulars but I am understanding....to a point!

As for the other girls mentioned I don't know what they are going to do because they can do whatever they want to do I will let them know about this thread that at least in part is talking about us ...some of you know we travel together sometime but they obviously make there own choices about what they want to do.....I am trying to listen I just wish someone could have just called or pm me about this instead of writing all over the boards about this.

Please read my website or call for more info.

Thanks guys

Nyla

First off do not tell me to go start anything you started the thread so people could chim in well I did!

You have an opinion and so do I the point I was making was these girls are good providers and you and everyone else should know when they are dealing with a bad provider arguing about how many pops you want is moot in reference to them because it was said that they dont offer MSOG WHEN THEY DO!
You clearly see providers for the pop! I do not.
I see providers for the experience the full experience its not reduced down to how many pops I get...but HEY MAN thats your thing! I have my thing too!

I think most good providers will try to accommodate both of our "THINGS"
I chimmed in because there are thousands of providers in chicago so why did a few visiting providers who tour here all the time and have a bunch of reviews make it on to YOUR thread since you seem to think because you started it you somehow get to decided who and how someone should respond to it.

If your major complaint is about the money you spend on a provider then YES you should make sure everything is clear before you take the plunge instead of having a major miscommunication then getting upset about it after the fact.

anything else you want or need to talk to me about PM me!
no alias needed.

GFE was a term hobbyists gave to providers that did: BBBJ, DATY, DFK, and MSOG along with no rushing. That term has been in existence since before I got in the hobby over a dozen years ago. It should be something that is confirmed by hobbyists in every review. Providers use that term a lot, and many shouldn't. The best thing you can do is review it and then find someone else to see.

"First off do not tell me to go start anything you started the thread so people could chim in well I did!"

Yes, you chimed in off topic and misinformed.  This thread isn't about complaining about high priced ladies or scam artists.  It has no place in here and is completely irrelevant to the OP.

"because it was said that they dont offer MSOG WHEN THEY DO!"

This was not said.  Read again.

"You clearly see providers for the pop! I do not. I see providers for the experience the full experience its not reduced down to how many pops I get...but HEY MAN thats your thing!"

I'm honestly happy for you.  We are all different and I'm glad you are satisfied.  It is just a shame (for me) that you get satisfied in the same hour by the same lady for less money.  And for what it's worth, I certainly don't see these lovely ladies just for the pops.  It is the entire experience.  A big part of that experience is the fantasy that there is a mutual desire.  And again, I've said this already.

"I chimmed in because there are thousands of providers in chicago so why did a few visiting providers who tour here all the time and have a bunch of reviews make it on to YOUR thread since you seem to think because you started it you somehow get to decided who and how someone should respond to it."

I'm not a mod and don't control what people say.  I only mentioned ONE name after it was brought up by someone else.  I checked her cityvibe ad, TER reviews, review on another site, and personal website before I made the OP or any comment.  I knew exactly what she offered before I opened my mouth and stick by what I said.  This topic isn't about any particular lady anyway and was never meant to be.  I have seen this with different ladies more times than I care to count.  I'd even go as far as to say a majority of girls try to get away without giving MSOG even if they are known to do so.  That statement is sort of expanding on the OP though and may be a different topic for a different day.

As for what he said vs. what you continue to say, he was on topic and you complaining about 1's and 2's is not at all on topic.  You can continue to rant about that though.  I have no control over it.

"If your major complaint is about the money you spend on a provider then YES you should make sure everything is clear before you take the plunge instead of having a major miscommunication then getting upset about it after the fact."

It isn't money per se.  It is the feeling of being ripped off.  I don't care if they advertised for $100 and another $100 for MSOG.  Yea, $200 total is still very cheap and a deal compared to everyone else, but I still don't like that I'm being charged extra for my hour than the next guy.  I think it is nonsense, plain and simple.  When I finish my projects ahead of schedule, I get more work.  I don't get to go home early and I don't expect to.  If I was not performing at or above company standards, I'd get fired.  It is clear some agree and it is clear some don't agree and that's fine.  But I feel I've been pretty clear about this already.

"anything else you want or need to talk to me about PM me!"

There is no need, but thanks.

I didn't mention your name so I wasn't going to reply, but whatever...

I have no idea how you advertised cause I hadn't seen your page in a while.  Honestly, I didn't even remember/verify if you were in fact one of those ladies I was talking about, but I know I had seen your name before.  The point of this topic wasn't to call anyone out so I didn't care to verify any of those names mentioned.  It isn't my responsibility and not relevant to my point.  At the end of the day, there are plenty of ladies guilty of this and the couple names mentioned here were a potential few of confirmed many in my eyes.

But back to your post, my assumption is that it wasn't advertised as a "discount" cause I have never seen it advertised that way by anyone.  For the sake of moving forward, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  Anyway, in the case of your friend... it certainly wasn't advertised as "100 off" the normal rate and I did read her website.  Here is what it says:

Tributes/Donations:
300 1hr. "Introduction" to True GFE ....daty dfk bbj cim/facials ..all the good stuff
400 1hr. GFE w/ msog "multipops"
450 90mins GFE  "extended play"

What I found from her site was that she offered 300/hr for "true GFE" and 100 extra for MSOG.  There was no mention of a "discount".  And as Sojourner7 already confirmed, GFE should already mean MSOG.  If I see GFE for 300/hr, there is already an expectation associated with that.  But really, this is exactly what I talk about in my second paragraph in the OP.  I agree that everything is right there and there aren't any surprises.  However, this is a prime example of someone that charges extra for something that should be included already.

Using my work analogy again...  I get work of varying difficulties.  I don't charge extra for my hour depending on what is being asked of me.  Of course, this is apples to oranges.  For example, I can respect extra for Greek.  I can also sort of respect that you may offer discounts.  The intent there would be genuine even though I still think it is nonsense.  I've explained my reasons for thinking it is nonsense ad nauseum, so I won't again.  But I guess I'll just say that you can't appease us all.  Do whatever you want if business is good.  At the end of the day, that's what matters.  Changing things now will probably piss off guys who want a single pop "GFE" like mrdaty49.

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Well, I decided to search some old pages and it wasn't advertised as a discount:

Hi its NyLa Ki...
Very Openminded to EVERYTHING!!!!...

5'4
34b-24-34b

120lbs.

1hr 300
1 1/2 450
2hrs 500 ...2nd's and 3rds are welcome(inca||) Special

this is just another rif off in chi. i've worked as a contractor for 20 yrs. when "they" smell blood in the water(ie u don't know what u r doing ) u get less than what u paid for.(u get screwed).
It's a shame. i have asked other ? from some of the other guys here and gotten "bad" responses
(ie they want u to get screwed?) why. no one hepls each other here. the girls have a 100$ reason to mislead u. and when u do try to get to the point they say they can't discuss it on the phone so it's a pay and hope? sad! u also have no idea what they look like. they won't send u a picture. like u won't remember what they look like afterwords/ right. i am working alone tring to figure this whole thing out. at least i didn't get screw by the jack shacks. thanks to the guys here.
what is needed are answers and the girls aren't movivated to give them 2 u. what we need is teamwork. there is no need for the toftt.thing. when i was inn miami the guy i knew said 1 shot for 140$ whatelse do u want. i'm with this guy( the poster) 1 hr. should be spent getting as much "stuff" out of your body as possible. that what i want to pay for. forceably raped repeatedly by a girl/woman/provider

sounds more and more like bullshit! (I used a smiley face because this is all very funny to me)
Someone thinks there so slick on this board and thinks the rest of us are so stupid...we were not!!!!

You CLEARLY dont know what a "rip off" is ......a girl who lists hers rates & services is not a ripoff if she gives you everything "as advertised"

This is whats really making me question IF your even a hobbyis (Mr STEVE (Alias) because I truly believe you cant really consider yourself a hobbyist until you have been ripped off in some form of fashion or another(giving you your stripes) ....reading a bunch of "known providers" ads who list there rates and services then deciding to effectively start a thread about how there a ripoff is bullshit , a true hobbyist wouldn't do that...you write like your just a little too concerned about another providers business and how they run there business....Hmm.....hobbyist are really trying to bang every hot piece of ass they can afford or get there hands on OR find there next ATF OR something of that effect(gulity of that myself)

all of your posts reads like "Well if I was a provider, this is how I would do/run my business".....for you to say you were not the person who named provider names is BULLSHIT because the person who did name names ALSO USED AN Alias?!?(Wow, imagine that) just like you SteveBrule(which is an alias) so how do I know that panos99 isnt you either or someone you know who is in concert with you......


this all smells like bullshit and I hope most people can see through the bullshit

good for u giselle. keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree. good thought

that's my impression 2. keeping the guys in the dark is to thier advantage!

"Someone thinks there so slick on this board and thinks the rest of us are so stupid..."

I haven't called anyone stupid... yet. In fact, most people seem to agree with me at least partially. Your definition of "the rest of us" must be a small group including just yourself.

"You CLEARLY dont know what a "rip off" is ......a girl who lists hers rates & services is not a ripoff if she gives you everything "as advertised" This is whats really making me question IF your even a hobbyis (Mr STEVE (Alias) because I truly believe you cant really consider yourself a hobbyist until you have been ripped off in some form of fashion or another(giving you your stripes)"

Truth is that you know nothing about me and I don't really care, but awesome assessment. I'll take that into consideration to appease the board moron. If my point hasn't gotten through to you yet, there is clearly no hope for you.

"....reading a bunch of "known providers" ads who list there rates and services then deciding to effectively start a thread about how there a ripoff is bullshit , a true hobbyist wouldn't do that..."

I didn't start this with the intent to mention anyone. I honestly didn't even know all those ladies.

"you write like your just a little too concerned about another providers business and how they run there business...."

And you write like you're in grammar school... which makes me wonder why I even bother replying to your backwords logic.

"all of your posts reads like "Well if I was a provider, this is how I would do/run my business"....."

I don't believe I'm telling anyone how to run their business. I'm merely expressing my displeasure and saying why I won't see them. I wanted to see if anyone else agreed. It appears many do. A couple guys expressed why they are ok with it and I replied without throwing a hissy fit. Another established provider confirmed what GFE means. I'm not the crazy one.

And while I'm at it, I'll just throw out there that you are a massive hypocrite. It is ok for you to question the business model of ladies that charge a lot and even call out another lady for just trying to stay relevant or whatever, but heaven forbid I question one shot GFE girls. Practice what you preach first buddy.

"for you to say you were not the person who named provider names is BULLSHIT because the person who did name names ALSO USED AN Alias?!?(Wow, imagine that) just like you SteveBrule(which is an alias) so how do I know that panos99 isnt you either or someone you know who is in concert with you...... this all smells like bullshit and I hope most people can see through the bullshit"

Again, you have poor logic. What is the point of creating another alias? I can say whatever I want with this one already. Secondly, we are only allowed one alias and I'm not going through the trouble of making a seperate account to protect the integrity of a fake name. That's why I'm using this to begin with. That sounds like something a moron would do. Am I now calling myself a moron to prove something? You be the judge, Sherlock.

all 3 girls are posting on backpage today, all 3 girls are giving their rates, all 3 girls have added, msog for an hour session.

I think they read this message board.

I misspoke.  I meant to say an established *hobbyist confirmed what GFE means.

that sucks! u should post under rip-off's. i'm new but i would have asked for a refund. but the girls ask for the money up front-right. hard to get the money back -right. did i say more than1 on her review? 350 ouwch! we need better teamwork!!!!!!!!!1 can u send me her name so i don't get ripped off?

it's not! where did u look up the definition. i'm not sure what u get gfe or non gfe

Oh I know enough about alright but im going to get moderated if I really tell you about yourself.
Mr Hide(behind yr Alias) I wont even read the rest of your garbage because Im talking to a coward.

But the one I confirmed was pretty upfront that MSOG was extra. The only deception with her was that "GFE" was being advertised at 300 and then you can read on to see MSOG was only included in other packages.

I just want to make it very clear that this lady wasn't hiding it. It seems others are misreading what I'm saying. My gripe with her was that there was an up charge for something I personally feel should have been included in GFE. And despite what mrdaty49 thinks, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I actually expected to be in the vast minority before I made this thread.

I have 3 different problems with MSOG:
1. The lady doesn't tell you MSOG is not included.
2. The lady wants more money for MSOG GFE. Being upfront about it doesn't change that I think it is nonsense.
3. The lady tries to let you off without giving you MSOG even if it is on the menu at no extra cost. This point I haven't really discussed here though, but it may be the worse cause there is almost no way to know you have this coming.

These three points are 3 different lady types. The girl I confirmed was number 2.

Sorry for all this going in your message DJ_OneArm, but I am a little tired of seeing people misinterpret what I said.

Maybe one day I'll grow up to be as brave and tough as you.  It must take really big balls to use your real name, mrdaty49, in here.  Cheers to the internet tough guy!

.....it's an you can take it or leave it kind of thing 'ya know.
I'm however pro-msog for one rate for the hr (if you wanna try for seconds I am all for it w/o extra charge).

Could be they see 300hr one pop as being accomodating that MAYBE (don't flame me lol) some guys don't want to spend over 300 but would like one really good run (and know many guys are spent after that 1)? Just a thought.

I'm not trying to flame anyone.  In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really affect me.  It is certainly a "take it or leave it" thing and I will usually opt to leave it.  I'm not trying to change anyone's ways, especially if they have good business.  If things are going well, who cares what I think, right?

And I think you are spot on with the 300 rate.  It seems to be a popular number here and I've seen threads where guys say they don't want to spend more than 300.  Maybe keeping things at 300 brings good business.  If so, more power to them.

Admin would have edited his posts and moderated him, as you can only use one identity per thread. Now...why are you firing on him in so many replies? He has the right to state his opinion just like you, so just make your point and let it go. Firing on him like that makes you look bad, not him. Besides you may not want to run into that guy after talking all that smack. He might be a foot taller than you! Let it go

Ive had this happen to me before and Ive been told by an agency (ILE) that GFE does not mean or include MSOG ( I obviously dissagreed )

Funny thing about the ladies I mentioned. They were al visiting Chicago starting on Monday. On Saturday and Sunday they all ( ALL FOUR !! ) started getting 9/10 and 10/10 reviews just prior to  their visit , and all from reviewers with no previous reviews. Things that make you go hmmm

I searched here and google to see if I could find a solid standard and couldn't.

The women in question at the start of this thread have all changed their  ads to msog. However, the price went from 300.00 to 350.00. Great discussion!

You've won...n dont even know it....unless there was some other motive behind all this.(not you Hound88...the "person" who started the thread)

The price did not go from 300 to 350 because at 300 you only got 1 shot!

it went from 400 w msog to 350 w msog so the price was infact LOWERED
one of the girls already said she was going to do this two days ago on this very thread so it was no secret.

Which is why I dont understand why ppl are getting on her saying they did this and that when she said thats what she was going to do two days ago...

This thread is overcooked what more needs to be said at this point

Here's a new concept....always assume it's a one pop deal unless the ad says MSOG.

Done.  Thanks for reading.

AMEN brother.  You did your best to make sense to these dopes.  Now just give up and let them wack off to reruns of the Cosby Show!

you clearly sound like a guy who has never had to try to get another guy off after he popped once already.  Here's a clue Steve...IT TAKES ALOT MORE WORK.

OK let's simplify this...

GUY A pays for one hour.  He likes to take his time.  Maybe start with a light sensual massage, Plenty of foreplay, different positions and then when he's ready POP.

GUY B pays for one hour.  He walks in, strips, shoves his junk down the girl's mouth pumps her face for 2 mins and blows his load.  The girl now has to spend the next 30 minutes trying to get him back up again.  This can take plenty of energy and work from the mouth, hands, pussy, etc. and now the guy is hard again and takes another 20 mins of hard pounding to pop again.

Given the work level the provider has to do in the two above situations, don't you think you would charge extra for GUY B?

Just sayin...

I don't take all that to get working again so I don't care about your experiences getting off other men.

There are plenty of girls that do this like I've said repeatedly here.  I don't care if those girls changed their rates cause this wasn't about them.  I don't know why are you so unwilling to accept that.

You were right and the agency is wrong. GFE has always included MSOG, as well as DFK, BBBJ, DATY and no rushing. It was the hobbyists who awarded that term to certain girls, and the hobbyists invented the term and its definition. You were right