Sorry for the alias, but this may be controversial, I am not sure.   I am wondering if any providers do a massage where they are in cowgirl position but just rub their privates up and down the guy's uncovered shaft without penetration. I don't know if some would consider this BBFS or taboo for any other reason.  I would assume it is as safe as a BBBJ or other privates touching as long as there is no penetration.  I have seen porn with this type of thing that looks very pleasurable and erotic.  Again, not trying to start a thread of BBFS bashing as I am not looking for that.

Also know as a stripper slide.  Most on the boards will consider it to be similar to BBFS, will chastise you in the same way, and providers won't admit to offering said service publicly.  However, I'm sure you'll receive PMs from those who are willing to play that close to the edge.  And yes, you can PM an alias.

seems like a bad idea. (duh)

Get on P411 and search there. I've seen it listed in many profile pages.

Again, I did not start the thread to create a right vs. wrong war, but since you fired a volley, I would like to be enlightened.  Pretty much all activity in this hobby could be classified as a "bad idea" at some level unless you get a hand job with a rubber on, and then there is probably some risk.  I am only asking, but is the stripper slide any more risk to either party than say a BBBJ or DATY, or how about having a guy put a bare finger or two up one of the chutes?  Look, I am all about safety myself but I do enjoy BBBJ's and DATY.  I consider them acceptable risks.  Why is the "slide", done responsibly any different?

I guess you have never heard of precome?  Or a provider getting wet?  Or the fact that Herpes and Genital Warts outbreak or not are transmitted through skin to skin contact?  A chic can get pregnant from this because of the precome factor which also leaves open potentially getting an STD that she could then share with you, and men if she gets wet and it gets into the head of your penis, well better hope she doesn't have anything either.  There is not way to responcibly rub your member all over a providers kitty or back door with out the potential of some type of transmission.  If you are willing to take that chance then please, go full ahead but keep it away from me.  Also know that the girl who says she only does it for you says that to no less then 5-10 other guys if not all of them.  Lastly, why do I not offer this or some other services that are what are considered more risky(like CIM for example) is because I care about myself, my health and you as my guest or potential guests health.  This can be a dangerous hobby but if you keep your acceptable risk minimal, well you get to enjoy it for longer...  I want to be bump bump bumping till I am old and gray, maybe not here in the hobby at that point but those poor orderlies at the nursing home are going to be yelling my name buddy!!  Take care and stay safe

Thank you for the lesson without actually "preaching" to me as often times happens on this board.  You are not only beautiful but smart as well.  I am not asking these things to be combative, but more due to my ignorance on the subject and out of curiosity..
Doesn't giving a BBBJ expose a provider to precome?  While pregnancy is almost impossible, wouldn't a BBBJ and exposure to precome leave you at risk for many STD's.  Even if you don't allow CIM you are still getting most if not all the same substances in your mouth from the precome.  Same with allowing DATY.  Would a guys saliva or a well concealed or almost healed cold sore leave you at risk for problems?  Also, even with a condom, there is still a lot of intimate contact of the areas where genital warts reside, so isn't there still a huge risk of contracting those, even with "safe sex"?  
I certainly hope I end up in the same nursing home as you some day!

There are always risks, you just have to decide where your acceptable risk levels are.

I have read up alot and while there is still exposure issues with BBBJ they are much less.  In talking with Dr's and reading up I have found the mouth to have certain properties that don't really help the STD if a gent has some in pre, to transfer unless you are doing DT.  Basically the STD has to come in contact in an amount that makes it transferable into the throat.  For me if someone is a leaker, it is likely he may be covered or I will be continually spitting and not going as deep to protect that from happening.  It is the nominal risk I am willing to take as a provider to provide the services I enjoy.  Is there risk?  A little but in all my almost 15yrs I have not gotten an STD in my throat, so I feel pretty safe with that choice but not willing to take a greater chance with actual CIM since it raises chance of transmission substantially which is well documented.

As far as DATY, there are other reasons for kissing and visual inspection at the beginning that we do of the mouth to makes sure you are ok to go there.   I also tend to hint about tooth brushing or mouth washing if someones breath seems really minty, since our mouth heals quickly but brushing causes micro tears in your gums healthy or not and should never be done right before a session.  Mouth wash I consider safe and use personally before session just to clean any bacteria from it.  If it is hinted that a gent brushed right before then generally I will keep him busy in other ways so that DATY is not an issue or even longed for till it is maybe mentioned at the end as not having happened.  We can visually tell is you have a canker sore on your mouth(kissing we can sometimes tell if you have one in mouth), and again, I will keep you busy with other things.  Again, in my almost 15yrs I have not gotten anything down stairs STD wise.  

About the worst has been bacterial or yeast imbalances due to gentleman not washing their hands after entry and sticking then into the kitty, but those just require a few days off and some meds to reorganize the very easily disrupted conditions that keep the kit kat healthy which are a disruption internally and not something that is on going or infective.  Trust me there are alot of things that go into making sure things stay nice and healthy downstairs and 1 of them is everyone being clean and freshly washed.  Really wish more guys would wash hands on entry, it makes me much more relaxed.

These are the best we can do, and the best I do to keep you all safe as well as myself.  I hope that this explained a little further.  I don't voice about somethings and do another because I am a hypocrite but more that I read alot of info from the CDC and Dr's sites to determine where my own limits are.  With Sex it really pays to be informed.

BTW, visial inspection goes on downstairs too...  If anything looks wart like umm, cover please...  Why?  Because women have developed HPV/warts in their throat to the point they could not swallow and has developed into cancer.  Another good argument for no CIM since if you are inactive the STD is still more concentrated in blood and semen, not dormant...    Again, I just like to be informed and make sure personally that as few people are at risk as I can get.  I would feel horrible if I gave someone something and they in turn gave it to another causing issues all around.

Amen Girl!

Just like when I was in the porn industry 1997-2009. Condom only!! All the time... no rubbing nothing. You can enjoy yourself without the risk!!!

Love
Zana