I have tried what I'll talk about here several different ways without luck, well maybe some luck but nothing right now, so am opening up to all my TER friends for assist.  Maybe it's an evolving personality thing or maybe just getting old (I'm mid-50s), but I find myself less and less enamored with traditional escort incalls and seeking more ongoing GFE relationships.  By that I mean probably 10-15 visits annually, each starting with coffee (not what you're thinking, but real coffeeshop coffee or soda or whatever), then walking, talking, shopping (for her of course), maybe dinner, and then quality incall FS treatment (nothing kinky and always safe) to wrap things up.  The public foreplay part addresses a heretofore unknown desire in me for PDA, i.e. having a beauty on my arm and me on hers and both looking proud to the world to be in a romance.  I figure about 3-4 hours per visit, unless she wants dinner or movie, jazz club, etc. in which case obviously more (on her time but my coin and I'm usually game).  Tripping points seem to be fourfold: I am very choosy (pretty face, slim and shapely bod, nice bust, 20s or lower 30s in age, within about 150 miles of Chicago); the PDA has to really work (teasing and sexy body language, sense of humor, openly affectionate disposition, touching, discrete DFK, and most important not being in internal agony trying to pull this off with me); the incall has to be quality and kind of flow naturally from the rest (not just a sloppy wham-bam-thank-you-mam ending); and a rate (not including out-of-pockets) of somewhere between $5-10,000 annually paid as we go (unpredictable variables of course will come into play, but you generally can do the math).  I am not overly concerned about selling my side in terms of appearance, disposition, romantic flow, and reliability.  To broadly set that scene, I have no ties and am looking for none, insist on everything being discrete, am WM in trim shape with all my original equipment, am calm and respectable and an establishment type with all that entails in terms of dress and behavior and cleanliness, am not a hotshot so will follow her lead, and can afford the fare.  And as to the fare, I don't subscribe to possible moans that it should be higher ... there are big advantages here to the provider in terms of regularity, reliability, expectation, safety, and fun, and times are tough, and the fare I fugure accumulates to a substantial annual nest egg.  So in my mind finding the right girl is the real challange.  I've tried that in context of traditional escort incalls, but short-term focus seems all too often to blow the longer-term thing out of the water (I'm sure some of the girls have had second thoughts when I didn't call for a second or third date, lol).  I also have tried it through dating sites, but found all of them to be either frauds or marriage oriented.  So am turning to all my TER friends out there for leads and suggestions.  Especially you girls ... if something like this sounds appealing maybe we should talk.  

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try willow. She advertises herself as a specialist in this sort of thing. I know of people she's been with and they said she was awesome. check out her site www.willowoftheworld.com (?) she has reviews here on TER

Definitely a true gfe if i might say so myself. Call me. If you like what you hear then we can talk further over lunch.

Perhaps you should try Willow. I always got the impression from her posts that yours is the type of experience she would rather provide.

By the way... what's "PDA"?

Early bird sometimes gets the worm (sorry, couldn't help the pun).  Return email on its way.  Gotten several calls from girls I was formerly with saying this type arrangement doesn't sound so bad anymore.  Maybe a sign of the times.  Expect I'll see more reply postings.  Looking forward to one of you filling the bill.  Luck to us all ...

Now please don't take this the wrong way.  I'm not trying to be a dick - REALLY I'm NOT, but what you are suggesting is really about conventional dating.  Some people can have great sex with someone but hate their personality.  In this hobby you never really have the extended time(ie. weeks and months, not hours) to get to know someone's personality.  If we did, then many providers (even the best) would not be so gung-ho about their jobs (read: they love cock and getting paid, not our personality).

That is not to say that some providers and hobbyists don't have genuine connections (emphasis on "genuine") but those are no more frequent, and probably much more rare I would guess, than in your normal Saturday night bar scene.

I know what you are trying to say, but I think what you are really looking for is NOT someone who genuinely enjoys the GFE and PDA's, but RATHER someone who is a five-star actress and can successfully FOOL you into believing that she has met her prince charming in you. PDA's are about mental chemistry and intimate friendship manifesting itself in physical action.

Tell me, how is a girl (or a guy for that matter) going to develop mental chemistry and intimate friendship over phone call where you barter on time and dollars?  THIS is not possible, but good acting/faking is.  Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just think you're being delusional in thinking that some hot girl is interested in you, or me, or any of us when they don't even know you, or me, any of us.

What you are looking for is REAL girlfriend who isn't interested in a longterm committment or marriage.

Your final sentence hit the nail on the head.  In all respect, the rest is just a lot of verbage.  I've had this once before and it was damn sweet.  Ended because pills got in way of MY enjoying it, not me getting in the way of her enjoying it.  She put on a great act otherwise and made a lot of $$$ over a year-plus period.  Figure maybe 20 half-days together adding to maybe $10-12,000, me getting real GF bliss (public and private), and she getting an assured multi-date client (she knew she had me hooked with the PDA supplement by the second date) who was safe and reliable and who she was used to.  For this, I happily paid and she happily accepted what averaged to FS rate for the FS part and a far lower rate for the PDA part.  Trick was in convincing her that so long as she got the full rate part, the other was adequate for just being a teasing and affectionate public partner (hell, never even had to disrobe for that and public warm-up skills just sort of come natural).  HEY YOU GIRLS READING THIS, how many of you work even 30 hours/week (even including getting ready and clean up), so why not use some of those extra hours being out with a guy, eating and walking and talking and shopping and movies, etc., and making a living rate for simply being a warm GF type and touching and delivering DFKs in private corners and necking and being felt up a bit at movies and otherwise teasing hell out of a guy you know you can trust to keep all in context and under control.  Think about it cause that's what I'm looking for and ready to go.