Ok so 1 topic I see come up in a bunch of reviews and on the board recently is the debate on providers who check the donation before "services" and I am baffled at why It means THAT much to some clients.
I try to look at it from a providers perspective and really don't care if she checks the donation and in a way I hope she in fact does since it can make things go smoother and settle some wondering on her end.
This hobby is a game of wonder imo.... first we wonder if a provider is legit, they wonder if we are legit, we wonder if they will show up, they wonder if we will show up, we wonder if the service will be as good as advertised and they wonder if the donation will be what they advertise.
Then its just a matter of confirming some of those wonders...they confirm by verifying , we confirm by reviews, they should be able to confirm the most important factor for them the same way we confirm the most important to us after the fact. Follow me?
bottom line is she doesn't know me and I would find it a real leap of faith for donations not to be taken care of before hand. Its a business.
I see in review after review "she looked at the donation, she counted the donation, god I hate when they look at the donation" why? if you were in a business doing such intimate things and have gotten burned wouldn't you want to confirm everything is good to go before you provide a service?
would you mail an envelope to a provider before the appointment? of course not...why? because you can't put that type of trust in a person you know nothing about yet at the same time you expect them to put that same type of trust in you that the envelope they just received isn't full of yesterdays newspaper.
I read a recent post saying how the person leaves the donation and goes to the washroom to clean up...words to live by and probably the best way to go about things.
I have written in a few of my reviews whether or not donations were checked but now hearing from an agency how that type of info can be used against a provider I will stop and I find it rude that some people even have the nerve to dine and dash like that but things like that makes me understand why envelopes shouldn't be just looked at .... but instead inspected, counted etc. I couldn't imagine how much that must suck and I could see how it would make a person look at a sealed envelope with a type of anxiety if this is another repeat experience
My question is for the clients and feel free to use alias's if you want but why does it mean so much to some of you?
Does a provider taking you at your word form a better connection for you for that hour?
Do you find it "unprofessional" ?
Does it make you disconnect from what you're actually doing and make it seem more genuine?
Do you want to use the donation as a carrot on a string to make sure you get services advertised?
I just feel the providers are between a rock and a hard place with some clients....
1. they look at a donation then get bashed on a review which could effect other business in the future from picky clients
2 But if they don't look at the donation and run the risk of walking out with nothing but your stank on them.
damned if you do .... damned if you don't.
We as clients have a great platform here to bring our aggravation to light on if a provider performs badly or if it wasn't worth the donation. providers have back channels and everything but no real public forum to express the types of things they go through with the few clients that rip them off.
your thoughts?
-l4
i couldn't care less unless of course the lady takes ten minutes to count and recount (dont pay with singles)
i totally understand that there are not nice people out there who think its part of the game to take advantage of others.
i always count out the money and put it in my pocket. many years ago, probably close to 13-15 i think, i saw this girl and had a great time. i always put the money on the desk when i walk in. she didnt check and i left afterwards with one big smile on my face.
i got into my car and as i was driving off, for whatever reason, i patted my pocket and felt a bill still there. i had inadvertantly shorted her. i called her immediately and she came down and got it. she and i are still friends (with benefits i may add) to this day.
so sometimes doing the right thing pays off.
it is a matter of trust..plain and simple..
I would not be upset at all with the provider checking the donation first, I would expect that. My method is to do what has been mentioned. I place the donation in a envelope upon entrance I ask the provider if I may place this here. I place on a desk, end table, etc. I then excuse myself to the restroom.
I did unintentially short a donation one time. She called about 30 minutes later to make me aware. I felt bad and was apologetic. I said I would gladly come back and fix the issue. She told me she had a great time and not to worry about it and that I could make it up later. She needlessly became one of my ATF's. Just wished she hadn't retired.
aaaand don't forget to put the seat down!
My big lesson as to to check, or not check, the donation came in NYC, when I received an envelope full of zeroxed money. That's right, copy machine bills. I had taken the envelope and put it in the safe w/o looking at it, because I didn't want to be rude.
That was the LAST time I didn't check the envelope!
Funny thing is, he tried to come back 6 months later and do the same thing: I opened the door and pushed him out of it.
Here's how I operate. Not for everyone, but this is me:
We meet for a drink, and get comfortable. After all, this is a date!
I will be dressed business/sexy/casual, very discreetly. i have a professional folder and it appears to be a business meeting: most likely, sales!!
We have a great conversation and get to know each other a bit.
I will ask if you are ready to retreat to our private quarters.
We go together, a happy couple.
Once in the room, you lay down the dontation envelope and excuse yourself to the little boys' room for a minute or two.
No muss, no fuss.
And then we rock and roll, just you and me, not a care in the world.
xoClair
... not all ladies are as classy as you (I wish they were). ... but if checked discreetly, there should NEVER be an issue
It's easier being an mature woman in this game. You learn your lesson quickly and devise ways to
manuver gracefully...most of the time! Not knocking the younger ladies, I wish them all the best, and then some! But I am glad I had a lot of experience in life behind me before I got in the game.
Posted By: Killerklown
... not all ladies are as classy as you (I wish they were). ... but if checked discreetly, there should NEVER be an issue.
The empathy that is felt by you and how generous it was of you to bring this topic to light
I, personally, am a firm believer of the unsealed envelope in the restroom but often times I find the bathroom sink to be bare of the envelope and am forced to have to ask the embarrassing question, "Do you have my donation?". It's awkward and easily avoided if the gent had just taken the time to read the provider's website to be informed enough to know that that's the provider's preferred method of payment exchange and/or just researching a bit on the board to see that the bathroom sink deal is pretty much every girl's ideal way of being gifted
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Thankfully, in the years I've been a provider I've never been ripped off when going through with the session even before recieving my donation although I've heard that this is a common occurrence when waitng until the end of the playdate for payment. I've been shorted a few time though because I neglected to count first but I guess that's my own fault and should have excused myself with the gift to take it out and count it. I think (and I'll bet everyone agrees with me on this one) that counting the donation in from of someone is one of the most uncomfortable things to do EVER!
So, basically, to the guys out there who just lay it on the dresser or fork over in person, please gift us with the correct amount in an unsealed envelope on the sink in the restroom!
Oh, and, feel free to leave the tip anywhere before you leave
XXX-Giselle Parker
I never thought of leaving in the washroom! Always on the dresser. Most the time I forget it in my coat pocket, I have never been asked. Last time I almost walked out when I reach for my keys at the door in my pocket... ohh you may want this and left it on the table. I must have an honest face! Never asked for it but have had a few newbies count in front of me... dont like that!
Posted By: giselle69
The empathy that is felt by you and how generous it was of you to bring this topic to light
I, personally, am a firm believer of the unsealed envelope in the restroom but often times I find the bathroom sink to be bare of the envelope and am forced to have to ask the embarrassing question, "Do you have my donation?". It's awkward and easily avoided if the gent had just taken the time to read the provider's website to be informed enough to know that that's the provider's preferred method of payment exchange and/or just researching a bit on the board to see that the bathroom sink deal is pretty much every girl's ideal way of being gifted
.
Thankfully, in the years I've been a provider I've never been ripped off when going through with the session even before recieving my donation although I've heard that this is a common occurrence when waitng until the end of the playdate for payment. I've been shorted a few time though because I neglected to count first but I guess that's my own fault and should have excused myself with the gift to take it out and count it. I think (and I'll bet everyone agrees with me on this one) that counting the donation in from of someone is one of the most uncomfortable things to do EVER!
So, basically, to the guys out there who just lay it on the dresser or fork over in person, please gift us with the correct amount in an unsealed envelope on the sink in the restroom!
Oh, and, feel free to leave the tip anywhere before you leave
XXX-Giselle Parker
Once or twice I shorted a lady unintentionally. Much better for her to ask me while we are wrapping up, than to get a call after the fact and have to figure out when and where we can make it right.
But I do understand that some guys feel that it wrecks the illusion, so a lady might lose a client by counting the cash. The only real risk in not counting the cash aside is losing some money, as recently happened to a friend who was given an envelope full of newspaper. So maybe we should be flattered when the lady does not check the cash - it means she definitely wants you to come again.
zig
....if more tried to look at it from the provider side the hobby would be even better.
There's a few not so "unprofessional" ways to verify the donation before the big events begin.
I keep clear guidelines on how I am comfortable with the donation being handle on my site and for good measure if I don't think they read it I refer them to it well before we meet.
I know hate is a strong word but I hate after a mini-makeout session the guy just gets naked on the bed and gives me that "i'm ready" look. I know i'm GFE and am playing your girlfriend for the hour or more but this pretty hotel wasn't paid for with my looks and I don't do "pay me later" whether it's my 1st time seeing you or the 10th or 100th. Another I "hate" is when he does put the donation down before getting naked and he just lingers like he's waiting for something when he should know (especially if he's not a newbie) to go to the bathroom and at least wash his handles & freshen his breath with mouthwash (assuming he showered at home/work/gym etc) just before arriving.
Put the donation down as soon you come in after some DFK and small-talk and make yourself a ghost for at least 60 seconds in the bathroom (close the door too). Thank you.
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Anyone who knows me knows I'm forgetful so I always try and get the envelope out there at the beginning so I don't forget. Someone here (she knows who she is) got an empty envelope from me once because I had a bunch of them with me and pulled out the wrong one. Duhh... now I keep the empty ones separate from the full one, live and learn. I also remember an agency girl counting it right in front of me the moment I gave it to her and then yelling that I shorted her. She had miscounted, she counted again and miscounted a second time, what the hell? I finally counted it with her so she got it right, the session blew (not in a good way) and I never saw that chick again. Now that's my definition of a whack job...
I also had an experience in which I pulled out the envelope at the beginning only to be told to put it back where it came from. I'm thinking, WTF? Whatever, I did as she asked. I won't say how she eventually got the envelope (don't want to give her away) but it was done in a very unusual way that I found erotic and scary at the same time. Sorry, can't say anymore, but it was definitely not the way any of the ladies here have suggested and I highly doubt it'll ever happen that way again.
Don't start PM'ing me, I'm not VIP.
