Chicago

Outcalls? Nyet!
narcissus 13 Reviews 1065 reads
posted
1 / 13

There have been a few threads on the issue of BP girls, whether BP is a waste, etc.  I thought it would be a good idea to provide some guidelines for those who have not had the pleasure of mining for gold in BP (or any similar venue).  These rules apply whenever you are looking in BP or any other source that provides low cost advertising to ladies without any verification. Feel free to add to this ...  

GOOD REASONS TO MINE BP INCLUDE:    

1) You want to make your dollar go farther (sometimes)    

2) You enjoy meeting ladies who are relatively new to the business (this is a pro and a con)    

3) It is 1am and you have needs that can't wait until the next day (and you failed to plan ahead)    

4) You are patient and have moderate expectations ... In the usual worst case (in my experience, a rushed CBJ from a "lady" who might be less in looks than what you were hoping for) you still go to sleep happier than if you had not tried

MAJOR RISKS

1) Pimped ladies.  A large number of ads on BP are placed by pimps.  Their girls or usually addicted to something bad, are illegals who are forced to work on threat of being reported, and/or at the least are badly abused and threatened to work (and these ladies don't usually get to keep any of the money you give them).   Having sex with one of these ladies is morally reprehensible, and very risky (think aids).        

2) Scams.  Many ads on BP are not actually from ladies who plan to see you in person.  Rather, they will ask you to sign up on a site for "verification" or to "see more about me" ... these are ALWAYS scams, no matter how good they sound (actually, the better they sound the more likely they are scamming).        

3) Inexperience.  This is what you are probably looking for on BP, but you have to keep in mind it is a good and bad thing.  The lady I just saw last night has been in the business for six months, but she clearly had no idea what she was doing sexually.  Skills are hit or miss in this area.  Keep in mind that someone new to the business advertising on BP is probably nervous and scared, possibly emotionally scarred, and probably used to being used for sex in her real life .. the idea of GFE may be foreign to them because they may not have ever had that kind of relationship in real life.  If you treat someone like this with real respect, caring and attention to her needs, though, over a long period of time you can get more than you ever dreamed of; but it is not easy at first.    

RULES TO LIVE BY

1) Avoid ads that have lots of clear pictures of the lady that include her face.  A new lady on BP is not likely to want to use her pictures with clear face shots, unless she is already a pro (street).  Sometimes visiting ladies do post face shots, but I like to stick to locals who I can see over and over...    

2) If its too good to be true, it probably isn't real.  A model body and model quality picture, at $100 an hour?  Nyet.  Similarly, beware of ads that over promise, or that appear polished - these are not likely to have been written by a newby.  You are really looking to find ads that *do not* stand out; something like this is usually gold "Pretty Italian brunette, 22 years old, looking for jenerous man $250 you not disappointed!!").  

3) Always check the phone number (not the lady).  Run a search on TER using only the phone number, and don't restrict it to Chicago (run same on the other review sites as well).  If there are really bad review for that number, even for a different lady, drop that prospect and move on to the next.  However, keep in mind that a new lady on BP might get mediocre reviews (5-6) so that is not any reason to avoid.   I also sign up on netdetective and run a search on the number there too.  If you are lucky, the number will link to a real person who roughly matches the age and gender of your prospect - this is almost always a very good indicator that the lady in question is for real (pimps, agencies and scam artists are better at hiding their identities).

4) Never, every, sign up for any verification service in order to see a BP lady.  Legitimate newby BP ladies (the ones you are looking to find) may ask for some traditional verification info (name, address, real phone, work phone) but if they are trying to get you to register on some site it is almost certainly a scam.  If the lady is professional enough to be using a legitimate verification service (like P411 or RS2K) she probably would not be on BP.  

5) Never, ever, give - directly or indirectly - your credit card, bank account, passwords, mothers maiden name, social security number, drivers license number or similar info.  The indirectly part goes to Rule 4.  A while back, I contacted a girl that I recognized as a regular on TER through a sugar daddy site.  I had never seen her before, so she did not know me from this site (and still doesn't).  Since I thought I knew she was safe, and the idea of making her my sugar baby was enticing, I agreed to sign up on a verification site.  Signing up entailed charging a service fee (I think it was $50 or so) to my credit card, but she stopped chatting with me after I made the charge.  A month after that, there were thousands of dollars in charges in India on the same card.   She was (is) a totally legit provider here, but over on that other site she was scamming.  So don't trust anyone with that info.

6) Outcalls or Michigan Ave hotels only.  Incalls are dangerous on BP IMHO, and visiting ladies will almost always do a Michigan Ave area hotel or O'Hare.  Ladies out by O'Hare who are on BP are usually pimped so stick to the ones on Michigan Ave.  A lady that is coming alone into your home is not likely to try to rip you off in your own home; conversely ladies on BP who refuse to do outcalls may be more interested in getting you in a place they control so that can rip you off or worse.  

7) Avoid ladies with "agencies" and "drivers."  When you call her or she calls you, if a guy is talking or doing the verification, or if there is any mention of her "driver" say that your wife just walked in and hang up.  ASK her how she plans to get to your place.  I always say that parking is very hard and I will be outside looking for her to help her get a spot ... if she says not to worry because she has a driver I use the "my wife just walked in, gotta go" and hang up.  

8) Have condoms at your bed side.  She may, or may not, bring them.

9) Show her a good time and treat her with respect as you would a date.  Seduce her.  Talk to her first.  Often she will go right into sex trying to get it over with quickly.  Slow her down, ask some questions, tell her about yourself.  Offer her water, wine, food.  Show her around your place.  Start out with hugs and (if she will let you) kisses.  Get naked slowly.  Let your fingers do the talking and then your tongue (if she will allow).  Don't pressure her to do anything she doesn't want, but you may need to entice her and make her very comfortable before moving on to bigger and better things - she may not be used to GFE.  

10) Make it clear to her that you expect her to stay a full hour if you are paying for an hour.  Ask her if she is okay with that before she arrives at your place - pimped girls are told to leave ASAP and are expected to stay no more than 20-30 minutes.

11) Don't book a multi-hour date on the first meeting.  The first meeting is unlikely to be what you want (GFE with a virgin? Ha!).

oralexcavator 21 Reviews 627 reads
posted
2 / 13

#8 was right on, I would never expect someone to show up without a condom, and willing to go BB. Had to leave in the middle of the action to be able to finish.  

Posted By: narcissus
There have been a few threads on the issue of BP girls, whether BP is a waste, etc.  I thought it would be a good idea to provide some guidelines for those who have not had the pleasure of mining for gold in BP (or any similar venue).  These rules apply whenever you are looking in BP or any other source that provides low cost advertising to ladies without any verification. Feel free to add to this ...    
   
 GOOD REASONS TO MINE BP INCLUDE:      
   
 1) You want to make your dollar go farther (sometimes)    
   
 2) You enjoy meeting ladies who are relatively new to the business (this is a pro and a con)      
   
 3) It is 1am and you have needs that can't wait until the next day (and you failed to plan ahead)      
   
 4) You are patient and have moderate expectations ... In the usual worst case (in my experience, a rushed CBJ from a "lady" who might be less in looks than what you were hoping for) you still go to sleep happier than if you had not tried  
   
 MAJOR RISKS  
   
 1) Pimped ladies.  A large number of ads on BP are placed by pimps.  Their girls or usually addicted to something bad, are illegals who are forced to work on threat of being reported, and/or at the least are badly abused and threatened to work (and these ladies don't usually get to keep any of the money you give them).   Having sex with one of these ladies is morally reprehensible, and very risky (think aids).          
   
 2) Scams.  Many ads on BP are not actually from ladies who plan to see you in person.  Rather, they will ask you to sign up on a site for "verification" or to "see more about me" ... these are ALWAYS scams, no matter how good they sound (actually, the better they sound the more likely they are scamming).        
   
 3) Inexperience.  This is what you are probably looking for on BP, but you have to keep in mind it is a good and bad thing.  The lady I just saw last night has been in the business for six months, but she clearly had no idea what she was doing sexually.  Skills are hit or miss in this area.  Keep in mind that someone new to the business advertising on BP is probably nervous and scared, possibly emotionally scarred, and probably used to being used for sex in her real life .. the idea of GFE may be foreign to them because they may not have ever had that kind of relationship in real life.  If you treat someone like this with real respect, caring and attention to her needs, though, over a long period of time you can get more than you ever dreamed of; but it is not easy at first.    
   
 RULES TO LIVE BY  
   
 1) Avoid ads that have lots of clear pictures of the lady that include her face.  A new lady on BP is not likely to want to use her pictures with clear face shots, unless she is already a pro (street).  Sometimes visiting ladies do post face shots, but I like to stick to locals who I can see over and over...      
   
 2) If its too good to be true, it probably isn't real.  A model body and model quality picture, at $100 an hour?  Nyet.  Similarly, beware of ads that over promise, or that appear polished - these are not likely to have been written by a newby.  You are really looking to find ads that *do not* stand out; something like this is usually gold "Pretty Italian brunette, 22 years old, looking for jenerous man $250 you not disappointed!!").  
   
 3) Always check the phone number (not the lady).  Run a search on TER using only the phone number, and don't restrict it to Chicago (run same on the other review sites as well).  If there are really bad review for that number, even for a different lady, drop that prospect and move on to the next.  However, keep in mind that a new lady on BP might get mediocre reviews (5-6) so that is not any reason to avoid.   I also sign up on netdetective and run a search on the number there too.  If you are lucky, the number will link to a real person who roughly matches the age and gender of your prospect - this is almost always a very good indicator that the lady in question is for real (pimps, agencies and scam artists are better at hiding their identities).  
   
 4) Never, every, sign up for any verification service in order to see a BP lady.  Legitimate newby BP ladies (the ones you are looking to find) may ask for some traditional verification info (name, address, real phone, work phone) but if they are trying to get you to register on some site it is almost certainly a scam.  If the lady is professional enough to be using a legitimate verification service (like P411 or RS2K) she probably would not be on BP.    
   
 5) Never, ever, give - directly or indirectly - your credit card, bank account, passwords, mothers maiden name, social security number, drivers license number or similar info.  The indirectly part goes to Rule 4.  A while back, I contacted a girl that I recognized as a regular on TER through a sugar daddy site.  I had never seen her before, so she did not know me from this site (and still doesn't).  Since I thought I knew she was safe, and the idea of making her my sugar baby was enticing, I agreed to sign up on a verification site.  Signing up entailed charging a service fee (I think it was $50 or so) to my credit card, but she stopped chatting with me after I made the charge.  A month after that, there were thousands of dollars in charges in India on the same card.   She was (is) a totally legit provider here, but over on that other site she was scamming.  So don't trust anyone with that info.  
   
 6) Outcalls or Michigan Ave hotels only.  Incalls are dangerous on BP IMHO, and visiting ladies will almost always do a Michigan Ave area hotel or O'Hare.  Ladies out by O'Hare who are on BP are usually pimped so stick to the ones on Michigan Ave.  A lady that is coming alone into your home is not likely to try to rip you off in your own home; conversely ladies on BP who refuse to do outcalls may be more interested in getting you in a place they control so that can rip you off or worse.  
   
 7) Avoid ladies with "agencies" and "drivers."  When you call her or she calls you, if a guy is talking or doing the verification, or if there is any mention of her "driver" say that your wife just walked in and hang up.  ASK her how she plans to get to your place.  I always say that parking is very hard and I will be outside looking for her to help her get a spot ... if she says not to worry because she has a driver I use the "my wife just walked in, gotta go" and hang up.  
   
 8) Have condoms at your bed side.  She may, or may not, bring them.  
   
 9) Show her a good time and treat her with respect as you would a date.  Seduce her.  Talk to her first.  Often she will go right into sex trying to get it over with quickly.  Slow her down, ask some questions, tell her about yourself.  Offer her water, wine, food.  Show her around your place.  Start out with hugs and (if she will let you) kisses.  Get naked slowly.  Let your fingers do the talking and then your tongue (if she will allow).  Don't pressure her to do anything she doesn't want, but you may need to entice her and make her very comfortable before moving on to bigger and better things - she may not be used to GFE.  
   
 10) Make it clear to her that you expect her to stay a full hour if you are paying for an hour.  Ask her if she is okay with that before she arrives at your place - pimped girls are told to leave ASAP and are expected to stay no more than 20-30 minutes.  
   
 11) Don't book a multi-hour date on the first meeting.  The first meeting is unlikely to be what you want (GFE with a virgin? Ha!).

ClairJordan See my TER Reviews 498 reads
posted
3 / 13

Just my opinion!
Whew!
What a lot of potential risk.  
Would seem to take the pleasure out of the whole experience!
 

Posted By: narcissus
There have been a few threads on the issue of BP girls, whether BP is a waste, etc.  I thought it would be a good idea to provide some guidelines for those who have not had the pleasure of mining for gold in BP (or any similar venue).  These rules apply whenever you are looking in BP or any other source that provides low cost advertising to ladies without any verification. Feel free to add to this ...    
   
 GOOD REASONS TO MINE BP INCLUDE:      
   
 1) You want to make your dollar go farther (sometimes)    
   
 2) You enjoy meeting ladies who are relatively new to the business (this is a pro and a con)      
   
 3) It is 1am and you have needs that can't wait until the next day (and you failed to plan ahead)      
   
 4) You are patient and have moderate expectations ... In the usual worst case (in my experience, a rushed CBJ from a "lady" who might be less in looks than what you were hoping for) you still go to sleep happier than if you had not tried  
   
 MAJOR RISKS  
   
 1) Pimped ladies.  A large number of ads on BP are placed by pimps.  Their girls or usually addicted to something bad, are illegals who are forced to work on threat of being reported, and/or at the least are badly abused and threatened to work (and these ladies don't usually get to keep any of the money you give them).   Having sex with one of these ladies is morally reprehensible, and very risky (think aids).          
   
 2) Scams.  Many ads on BP are not actually from ladies who plan to see you in person.  Rather, they will ask you to sign up on a site for "verification" or to "see more about me" ... these are ALWAYS scams, no matter how good they sound (actually, the better they sound the more likely they are scamming).        
   
 3) Inexperience.  This is what you are probably looking for on BP, but you have to keep in mind it is a good and bad thing.  The lady I just saw last night has been in the business for six months, but she clearly had no idea what she was doing sexually.  Skills are hit or miss in this area.  Keep in mind that someone new to the business advertising on BP is probably nervous and scared, possibly emotionally scarred, and probably used to being used for sex in her real life .. the idea of GFE may be foreign to them because they may not have ever had that kind of relationship in real life.  If you treat someone like this with real respect, caring and attention to her needs, though, over a long period of time you can get more than you ever dreamed of; but it is not easy at first.    
   
 RULES TO LIVE BY  
   
 1) Avoid ads that have lots of clear pictures of the lady that include her face.  A new lady on BP is not likely to want to use her pictures with clear face shots, unless she is already a pro (street).  Sometimes visiting ladies do post face shots, but I like to stick to locals who I can see over and over...      
   
 2) If its too good to be true, it probably isn't real.  A model body and model quality picture, at $100 an hour?  Nyet.  Similarly, beware of ads that over promise, or that appear polished - these are not likely to have been written by a newby.  You are really looking to find ads that *do not* stand out; something like this is usually gold "Pretty Italian brunette, 22 years old, looking for jenerous man $250 you not disappointed!!").  
   
 3) Always check the phone number (not the lady).  Run a search on TER using only the phone number, and don't restrict it to Chicago (run same on the other review sites as well).  If there are really bad review for that number, even for a different lady, drop that prospect and move on to the next.  However, keep in mind that a new lady on BP might get mediocre reviews (5-6) so that is not any reason to avoid.   I also sign up on netdetective and run a search on the number there too.  If you are lucky, the number will link to a real person who roughly matches the age and gender of your prospect - this is almost always a very good indicator that the lady in question is for real (pimps, agencies and scam artists are better at hiding their identities).  
   
 4) Never, every, sign up for any verification service in order to see a BP lady.  Legitimate newby BP ladies (the ones you are looking to find) may ask for some traditional verification info (name, address, real phone, work phone) but if they are trying to get you to register on some site it is almost certainly a scam.  If the lady is professional enough to be using a legitimate verification service (like P411 or RS2K) she probably would not be on BP.    
   
 5) Never, ever, give - directly or indirectly - your credit card, bank account, passwords, mothers maiden name, social security number, drivers license number or similar info.  The indirectly part goes to Rule 4.  A while back, I contacted a girl that I recognized as a regular on TER through a sugar daddy site.  I had never seen her before, so she did not know me from this site (and still doesn't).  Since I thought I knew she was safe, and the idea of making her my sugar baby was enticing, I agreed to sign up on a verification site.  Signing up entailed charging a service fee (I think it was $50 or so) to my credit card, but she stopped chatting with me after I made the charge.  A month after that, there were thousands of dollars in charges in India on the same card.   She was (is) a totally legit provider here, but over on that other site she was scamming.  So don't trust anyone with that info.  
   
 6) Outcalls or Michigan Ave hotels only.  Incalls are dangerous on BP IMHO, and visiting ladies will almost always do a Michigan Ave area hotel or O'Hare.  Ladies out by O'Hare who are on BP are usually pimped so stick to the ones on Michigan Ave.  A lady that is coming alone into your home is not likely to try to rip you off in your own home; conversely ladies on BP who refuse to do outcalls may be more interested in getting you in a place they control so that can rip you off or worse.  
   
 7) Avoid ladies with "agencies" and "drivers."  When you call her or she calls you, if a guy is talking or doing the verification, or if there is any mention of her "driver" say that your wife just walked in and hang up.  ASK her how she plans to get to your place.  I always say that parking is very hard and I will be outside looking for her to help her get a spot ... if she says not to worry because she has a driver I use the "my wife just walked in, gotta go" and hang up.  
   
 8) Have condoms at your bed side.  She may, or may not, bring them.  
   
 9) Show her a good time and treat her with respect as you would a date.  Seduce her.  Talk to her first.  Often she will go right into sex trying to get it over with quickly.  Slow her down, ask some questions, tell her about yourself.  Offer her water, wine, food.  Show her around your place.  Start out with hugs and (if she will let you) kisses.  Get naked slowly.  Let your fingers do the talking and then your tongue (if she will allow).  Don't pressure her to do anything she doesn't want, but you may need to entice her and make her very comfortable before moving on to bigger and better things - she may not be used to GFE.  
   
 10) Make it clear to her that you expect her to stay a full hour if you are paying for an hour.  Ask her if she is okay with that before she arrives at your place - pimped girls are told to leave ASAP and are expected to stay no more than 20-30 minutes.  
   
 11) Don't book a multi-hour date on the first meeting.  The first meeting is unlikely to be what you want (GFE with a virgin? Ha!).

seeker000 24 Reviews 539 reads
posted
4 / 13

I would never invite a provider I haven't already spent time with to my place for an outcall, especially if married.  That's just asking for trouble.  The last thing I want is for my house to be broken into and burglarized (or worse) at some later date.  The safest way to do an outcall is to get a hotel room.

narcissus 13 Reviews 627 reads
posted
5 / 13

I guess my point is that its not a lot of risk if you are careful.  It just takes more work and caution.  I have met several ladies this way with whom I became close on a personal level.  I love to meet new people, and I really enjoy mentoring a nice lady through this process when I can.  It keeps her safe and I usually get more than my share of dividends in return (not that I expect anything, but it tends to happen with the right lady).  With time, trust and a relationship that goes beyond an envelope, many things are possible that make it worthwhile!

Not limited to BP, but also the various sugar daddy dating sites, sometimes on eros (rare), naughtyreviews, tbd, even dating sites if you make clear you are not looking for a relationship you will get hits from newbies .. all are great sources of meeting newbies if you are careful.

I love my regular providers too!  Unfortunately my ATFs have all either retired (one actually got married to a client - so jealous!), or are out of town and only visit Chicago occasionally or never.  I am to a point in my life where I really don't enjoy a quick lay with someone I don't know (a quick BBBJ is another story - I could take those all day long from strangers lol).  Maybe I have become jaded, but I prefer to get to know someone before f**ing their brains out.  The sex is just that much better if you have some at least minimal emotion behind it, but I don't want another GF right now and I am too much of a tomcat so having a real GF would only end up hurting her.

Then there is a cost issue.  A regular provider is not going to give time away, but I like to spend overnights, weekends, all day, etc.  I like things slow, passionate and un-timed, but without costing literally thousands of dollars per date.  I treat my ladies well, and I like to think that their time with me is worth something more than the cash in the envelope.  One of my ATFs even gave me money back when she thought I left her too much!  I have found this, but it takes a lot of looking and most regular providers are have built up necessary emotional defenses against exactly this sort of thing.  I understand why that is, but I need more now that I have become jaded.  

Unfortunately, most of the best regular providers are jaded too.  They are great at pretending and acting, but I see through that in a minute and that is a bigger turn off for me.  How many regular providers will really orgasm with a client in an hour session?  Be honest, because I can tell.  You can't fake blood rushing to the clit, natural wetness and throbbing.  I know some providers who will do it themselves using various toys or their fingers, which is fine but I want to excite my partner and take control (yes, I am a control freak; no surprise there I am sure).  

I have gone the sugar daddy route and that is great but presents all the same issues (and then some) of BP so all the rules apply.  Mining for newbies on BP and the dating sites when my ATFs aren't available is the best solution I have come up with.  It works, and its worth the effort if you are careful and follow my rules :-

narcissus 13 Reviews 534 reads
posted
6 / 13

True, when I was married I did the hotel thing too.  I would never have had a provider to my marital home, that would be stupid!  I have excellent security in my building so I am not too worried about the burglary thing but you are right, that should be added to the list of rules to consider at least.

Amandaerotica See my TER Reviews 443 reads
posted
7 / 13

I wouldn't eat or drink anything that is open.  Very good post, well thought out.

Amanda

WondersOfTheWrld 390 reads
posted
8 / 13

they'd still be clueless. Just be safe while enjoying the ride and diamonds in the rough you may find! (Then send them here to really learn the ropes and become legit.) xoxo

TrulyMsMocha See my TER Reviews 339 reads
posted
9 / 13
PhilAnderz 22 Reviews 424 reads
posted
10 / 13

Here is a carefully thought out posting that's well worth the read.  I'm sure that more "rules" could be identified, but this list goes a long way to map out the territory.

chicagodude123 485 reads
posted
11 / 13

Why is it bad if girls are near ohare?  I would guess that it is becasue they are traveling and flew in.  Is Ohare a bad area (in general)?

ShaeBaby01 See my TER Reviews 411 reads
posted
12 / 13
narcissus 13 Reviews 358 reads
posted
13 / 13

Posted By: chicagodude123
Why is it bad if girls are near ohare?  I would guess that it is becasue they are traveling and flew in.  Is Ohare a bad area (in general)?
There is nothing wrong with O'Hare, and yes there are traveling ladies who stay in the O'Hare area because it is cheaper and a little more convenient to the airport.

However, almost all of the ladies I have come across in the past decade or so that I suspected were being pimped (or worse, sold) for some reason have been out of the O'Hare area (also usually Asian or eastern European).  There are some very inexpensive hotels in that area (some are very seedy) so I think the cheapskates who run the sex trade operations like that.  

Seeing a lady running an incall in O'Hare does not mean she is pimped or sold; but seeing a lady operating out of an incall on Michigan Ave  is a good indicator that she is not.  So to be safe, stick with Mich Ave for incalls IMHO.

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