I have noticed that whenever the subject of bbfs comes up, this is the "hot topic" that we all seem to gravitate to. I wonder if we all are becoming prudes. I would like to pose a hypothetical question to us all and see what you guys think. What if there was no such thing as HIV or any deadly STD's. Matter fact what if the worst thing that can could come of unprotected sex was something that could be cured by visiting a clinic and getting a shot? Then would bbfs not be a concern?

Please don't get me wrong, I am with the consensus that bbfs puts us all at risk and  encourage us all to make smart choices and be safe. But I wonder what the hobby would be if there was no risk of an STD. Would ladies ask for a special donation for bbfs? Would we as hobbyists complain that "she doesn't even offer bbfs"?

Because that's not the reality we live in. It's like asking if providers who screen would do so less or stop altogether if sex work was decriminalized/legalized in the US. Probably yes, but the reason for one is the existence of the other. If the threat was minimized or eliminated, the precautions would be unnecessary. I hope I'm making sense, here.

I think it makes a lot of sense. I'm just saying we all get hysterical when someone asks for bbfs. We tend to shun those that admit that they have had bbfs with their provider. I know for sure there is a different feeling from a lady who offers cbj than one who offers bbbj. You rarely hear someone brag because their lady friend gave them the best cbj ever. It's almost to the point that it may be a deal breaker to some men to learn the lady only offers cbj. We even talk about pineapple juice to make things sweeter. Would this be the expectation if all ladies had to worry about is pregnancy, but no serious STD's.  

Don't get me wrong Josephine I get. Definitely not attacking your point. I agree with you whole heartedly. Would you have a new menu if bbfs was without risk or is it still a no? Would there be a new standard where if a lady may be inclined to add bbfs to her menu so that she stays in demand.

We shun them because of the risk, though. As a BBBJ provider, there are precautions that can be more easily taken to prevent transmission of STIs. Not fool-proof, but a whole hell of a lot safer than BBFS. There's no way of knowing for sure if a client or a provider isn't carrying anything, especially if you're relying on trust. And any provider willing to do BBFS probably isn't asking for recent test results and proof, thereby putting everyone she comes into contact with in danger.

If BBFS became more of the norm that BBBJ is, then, there would of course still be women who won't provide it, myself included, just like there are still women who won't do BBBJ for whatever reason they've chosen. Whether or not they remain successful depends on their other qualities and skills, just like anything else.  

Thanks for your honesty Josephine. Oh and you've git a silhouette that would make the average 10th grader become a peeping tom. ; ) I'm just flirtin.

As far as I have been able to determine, most clients appear to be complete morons AND complete assholes, all rolled into a highly offensive package.  And those who aren't one are almost certainly the other.  That leaves very very few clients who are in any position to decide when it might be appropriate and safe to do bbfs.

So it's probably best we don't draw attention to it by talking about it, because most clients are too stupid and/or malicious to be trusted with the decision.  Except me, of course.

Cute

Most men prefer to fuck without a condom limiting the sexual sensations. I have received so many requests from hobbyists asking how to run a bbfs program !

Even if disease were not an issue there is still the pregnancy thing. That would be much scarier than the hypothetical diseases you mentioned.

Yeah, I'm only half joking though.

or a paid board troll. Coming from the guy with an admitted STD, you're the poster child for why BBFS is shunned

Understood and agreed.

Pro football was once played without helmets. Actually, my concern for protected sex is more about chlamydia, Herpes and things of that nature moreso than HIV. Life is about managing risk and as society has learned more over the past 30 years, you should mitigate the risk of sexually transmitted diseases.

The Guys that are so against BBFS are Wishing within themselves they could partake in it. But for their Significant Other cannot partake. If a Guy is offered BBFS by a Provider he can either accept or decline the offer. If he accepts why does everyone on this Board go off the Deep End? Of those so against BBFS, I'll bet almost half have done it at some point in this Hobby. If you know and accept the Risk and if a Provider is offering this Service, I see nothing Wrong with it. Ridiculing   someone that does probably isn't going to stop them. just my 2 cents on this.

Give her some marmalade, give her some toast.
Give her a partridge in a pear tree,
But the dose that you give her may get back to me.

Contacted me once when she was strung out on drugs. Was willing to do anything including bbfs for next to nothing.

I prefer staying healthy and enjoying hot women for as long as I can get it up (which may not be much longer after today's episode, lol). I'll keep my dick but thanks for the mind-reading session. How much do I owe you BTW? Are you cheaper than hookers? Hey, I think I found a new hobby

Thanks for assuming all clients are asshole or stupid. Moron.

not for me even then.  Health history makes me ineligible for the pill so condoms used properly are also my only defense against an unwanted pregnancy.  So with the lack of desire to add another little one to the bunch I would not indulge without it.  Plus as mentioned before it does odd things to the kitty, it can even make it smell really nasty messing with the PH which is NASTY!!!  No stank kitten over here thank you!

Do a study on the disease as well as the other STD's. People don't take AIDS seriously anymore. Why is that?

Do you and Udo donate blood together too?

We'd have a problem Huston, if this guy was any more off.

Then it is a good thing I do everything safely.  But it might be a good idea to let everyone know who she is so we know never to see her in the future.

Maybe everyone else has awesome insurance that would cover the something like 20 some pill regiment you need to stay alive and live with the disease?  Don't mind what their partner might say if they are found to have it?  Or maybe not even care if they give it to her.  I don't know but here is a little something for you all...

IF and this is a big if because I am not nor do I plan to anytime soon, but IF I were married these are my thoughts even without it out if respect to my potential future husband.  The mingling of fluids down there is meant to be special, this is how we show the person we love that we love them so much we want to have their child by sharing our everything including our most vulnerable we can be with our partner.  I know it feels better to go without, I have kids and have had to have procedures prior to this industry because of it and neither are something I would like to repeat.  So out of respect for wanting to save something for him or for many of you her, isn't it fair to say that just that small thing that can cause so much danger for ourselves and our partner just be saved for them?  Why has the mixing of fluids down there become so watered down that ladies will just do it because or guests try to do their damnedest to try to make it happen?  I guess guys that you just like the way it feels better and my bet is that ladies feel pressured to do it, which is kinda sick if you think about it.  Like Udo, I mean he has warts and is still barebacking woman(once you have warts it doesn't do away and even without the warts it is passed in semen, and the disease causes HPV in women which causes cancer which ultimately causes DEATH) and is proud of causing death sentences because these ladies WILL get it!

To be honest, do what you want each of you including LADIES.  DO NOT feel pressured to provide something you don't want to and guys RESPECT it if they say no and quit being a winey ass who tries to take of or damage the condom to get it(that is not fair!!!  There are other STD's that are basic with slim side effects in women that cause even sterillity if not caught early)!  Just keep that nastiness away from me!  Lastly, ladies id you caught someone trying to break or damage trying to slip on off or if he actually does it REPORT HIM TO THE NBL, because someone who does that to get their way and force their fluids into you should be reported.

In closing, why it gets our tails raised OP is that there seems to be a lack of respect when no is said and ladies are pressured to say yes and it makes me sick.  That is why it is a hot topic.  And then I have to be even more diligent about protecting myself because I have no idea what is floating around in the possible that I could get if I am not.  What someone else does always effects someone else.  I just do not want to become someone else.  It is a worry for me and for my guests as well as my potential future husband.

Those that can't enjoy the pleasure of bbfs because of a SO at home should shut up and not be jealous of us enjoying fucking with full sensation.

Sage,

The pussy is meant to receive semen. This is natural!

otherwise nature says to obstain, so unless you are willing to do that with most providers you need to respect boundries and put on the glove.  NO ONE is getting in me bare!!  Fuck nature

I agree with you 100 percent.

This may very well be the most well written opinion on this subject I have ever seen. Thank you Sage.

Sage, cum is alkaline to neutralize the acidity of a fertile pussy. You have had thousands of dicks inside your pussy over the years you fucked men in the industry. I highly doubt men have not dumped their seed in you!  

You are mother too so the point is proven I guess!

YOU CANNOT MAKE YOUR TRUTH MINE and do not pretend for one minute you care about me because I don't know you and never will.  Go take you Warts having HPV infected nasty dick elsewhere and stop spreading HPV to ladies who don't know any better you fucking monster!

Don't let him get to you, I suspect he's 14 and posts from his parents' basement so don't sweat him...took me a bit to see that but the inconsistencies, juvenile attitudes, outrageous claims, and half assed knowledge of just about everything point to an overweight, acne scarred, lonely, pathetic kid having a bit of twisted fun.  I feel sorry for the providers he might meet when he grows up though.

And if I'm wrong then he's mentally 14 anyway.  Either way this is my last post with regard to this guy, I'll not feed the troll any longer.

Sage, you gave this clown too much dignity by referring to him as " sir".  
It's best to add the chump to your ignore list and never look back!

Sage you seem like a very nice woman and I like reading your posts. However, you, like most providers on this board, are likely infected with HPV as a result of your very high number of sexual partners. It's just a numbers game my fair lady!

How have you protected or covered up your gentials from the uncovered ballsacks of your clients that very well may have had warts located on their testicles? During intercourse, the testicles typically slam right against a woman's uncovered genitals. This is enough for viral transmission. Condoms do not protect against this since I can't ever recall a condom covering my balls. This is how a hobbyist can bring home HPV to a SO.

There is risk associated with this hobby and the risk gets higher with any partner having a significant number of sexual partners.

Then why is it that, whenever you hear a story of a condom breaking, no one ever notices until afterward

Such a good point Margo.  

I guess from a man's point of view, once I have established a really good rhythm then the blood flow to that region becomes so constant that it gives me control that I am no longer as sensitive to the warmth and wetness of her. Of course I cannot speak for other men, but that is how it is for me. Not saying it no longer feels good, but saying once you have the right partner to tango with you don't really think about the steps just how much you enjoy dancing with her. I know that's a bit romantic, but you seem like the type of woman that can appreciate all that stuff.

There are many strains of HPV. Most do not cause warts, and most do not lead to cervical cancer in women or oral cancer in men. Most of the time, most people are asymptomatic and the virus disappears within a few years. Yes, skin to skin contact can transmit the virus, but that's highly unlikely if there is no outbreak present. Ergo, the best way to protect yourself from getting HPV is to wear a condom, because exchanging fluids is still the most effective way to transmit the virus. Oh, and female condoms fucking exists. Those may not cover your balls, but they will cover most of the vulva, making them more effective than male condoms when it comes to transmitting things via skin to skin contact. Nothing is guaranteed, of course. That's why, as I have said many times here, there is no such thing as safe sex, only SAFER sex. Which I know doesn't interest you because you're a socially awkward misanthrope who only cares about himself and likes to make up stories...but hey, doesn't hurt to educate others when you can

I am anything but socially ackward since I have a son currenly in law school and I am now married to a woman in the Philippines.

A female condom sounds like a MUST for those hobbyists that cannot afford to bring HPV back home to their significant other.

I still realize that those with the highhest numbers of sexual partners over the years have the most risk of having and transmitting an STD.

During medical exams and blood work, there is a check box asking if you have had sex with women selling sex for money. Checking this box usually puts you as a "High Risk" for STDs as a patient.

Paying women for sex (prostitution) will never be something that mainstream American family men do. I work in a large company and all of my male coworkkers claim that any man that must pay for sex is a dispicable loser and is either fat, bald or ugly.

Basically, those that must hobby are desparate men.

 
If you're Married, have a Girlfriend, in a Committed Relationship, it matters not. When a Guy is with a Woman, the Guy is paying her for Sex in one form or another. Most of the Time it's Money. Other instances is Time, buying her Gifts, spending Time with her. Or the Guy has some other Value to a Woman that she enjoys and wants. No Woman is going to be with a Guy just because she likes him. A Woman will only be with a Man because there's something of Value he's giving her.

First off, you spelled awkward wrong. Secondly, plenty of socially awkward parents raise children who become lawyers, doctors, professors, and the like. So that proves nothing. Thirdly, showing off your imaginary mail order bride only nothing except but my point ten fold. Also, your diversions into one point into another mostly unrelated topic does that too.  

It also is possible for a man to carry HPV for many, many years and be completely asymptomatic and never know that he has it. The HPV tests available to men are inconsistent at best.  

While the point about having multiple sex partners is true overall, those numbers often exclude many forms of sex work, including many types escorting. Porn stars, for example, are 80% less likely than the general population to contract an STD. This is because they are getting tested constantly as their industry mandates. So number of partners in only part of the picture.  Most of the other part of the picture is education, regular testing and taking necessary precautions.  

And yes, of course any medical test and/or blood donation center is going to consider having sex with a prostitute to be "high risk," because it makes absolutely no distinctions or definitions. They're going to assume the absolute worst case scenario with that, and assume that whoever they're testing has done...well, pretty much what you claim you have done in the past (i.e. little or no protection in a "third world" country).  

And I wouldn't be so sure that prostitution isn't mainstream. 15-20% of American men have admitted to paying for sex at least once in their lifetime. Think about that. That's approximately around one in every five to seven men. And those are just the ones who have admitted it (and we know that a lot of people are not exactly forthcoming on these surveys, even if they know it's anonymous). Furthermore, these surveys seem to leave out other professions that fall under the prostitution umbrella, such as sensual massage, pro domination, etc. So given that, I would say it's a lot more mainstream than anyone would think. It's just that no one talks about it in the mainstream.  

And yeah, you should totally take your coworkers at their word. Because whoever has condemned something that they secretly do? (psst...being sarcastic)