You are absolutely obsessed with every move I make. You know what I say about guys like you..... when you are spending all your time talking about me, you are leaving some other guy alone!
Oh look another link................and a pic!
I was busted tonight while visiting Daley Lane at Pussycats etc.
I am not sure what happened. They probably busted the girl and forced her to cooperate to get clients. I know quite a few were busted. The police officer told me 5. They took me to the station for a couple hours and got my car back at the hotel. The hotel was Extended stay of America at Mannhein and Touhy.
I was kind of stupid, it was my 3 rd time using this agency and noticed they have a weak verification system. STAY AWAY. Not sure if they are going to stay in business as I guess their target was probably the agency.
Wow that is serious. Might be time to take a break from the hobby or hobby someone where else. You know that Chicago is the first to use new techniques do crackdown on the hobby. Now other LE around the nation will be trying to copy what Chicago does.
you already know. Agencies for the most part have little alliance to their guests(few are exception, but there are a few here)...
Now is the time to be RS and/or make sure of the ladies prior to visit...
Personally I only accept references from 2 agencies for a reason(Secretly-Yours, and Apropo) because most of them only care about the $ bottom line and could care less what endangers them since they are only on the phone...
Take care and hobby safe...
As an example, I have Dani's and Giselle's personal email/cell so if someone say's they saw them, I can go through MTA AND get the 411 from the girls themselves.
Just because you are from an agency doesn't mean you shouldn't keep track of who you've seen. At least there should be something memorable from the date that both the girl and client can remember.
Just a thought. Be safe guys!
xoxo
VC
I do think Mike and his group are great, another that screens hard and I trust well...
Take care, Sage
on that note, let me state that we will not be taking any calls until further notice from any new clients and past clients can call about a special for the next few days!
this time in good natured ribbing.. but its funny how you say no new clients, and then still post your agency link!...too good.
you're like performance art.
You are absolutely obsessed with every move I make. You know what I say about guys like you..... when you are spending all your time talking about me, you are leaving some other guy alone!
Oh look another link................and a pic!
awesome..
but to be fair (and honest),
whens the last time i made a comment in response to you? its clear im not that obsessed.
but you seem to lash out pretty quickly, and with very little provocation.
i guess you just dont seem very fun or able to take a joke is all.
but to be fair (and honest),
whens the last time i made a comment in response to you?
How deep is your denial? Two posts up with subject being LOL. That is a response to me and in the post I am responding to.... not a single mention of you. Do you really think that everyone out here is as ignorant as you would like?
dummy,
it should be quite clear that my "when is the last time." antestatement was in response to you general claim of obsession, to which i was pointing out that before today's volley (yesterday now), i don't think i had given you even a nod of recognition in prob 100 days or more.. which i think would disqualify me from being "obsessed."
let me try to explain this to you in a language you might understand..... Oh Shoot!.... I only speak english! Guess that will have to do!
It's real simple. I did nothing wrong here. I am permitted to include a link to any post I make, to our web-site. Unless of course, I am posting something to another provider's or services weekly ad. That is the rule!
I don't care if you like it and I don't care if you thought it was tacky of me to do it the way I did. And.... it is not your job to police the board with your ideas of how you feel people should do things.
I did not say we were shutting down. I said we were (until further notice) not taking any new clients. I anticipated getting the list of guys by days end to feel more comfortable. but, that is not your concern.
Simply stated, I asked and I am asking again..... "Please leave my name out of your posts"! If you feel I have done something out of line.... contact "Dancing Bear" or support!
Isn't keeping a list of who has been seen just another thing for LE to find and use against us?
This is the scary part of RS2K. We have to use our real name, which if kept by providers or agencies, can be used against us later.
You said Chicago is the first city to use new techniques to crack down on the hobby. What techniques are you referring to? Help us out.
They are the first to us the technology from CL and backpage identify where people are coming when the post or access a site. There are geographic locators that identify hotel addresses where people post ads from. The site operators turn this stuff over to LE and LE goes to the front desk with the picture and phone number.
Yes and they also do this in Detroit alot...it's too late to find "another" place to Hobby....
Going elsewhere won't make much of a difference once that place starts cracking down....
Maybe just visit Canada....or in RI it's okay as long as you are in a hotel and not on the streets...lol.
Be smart...I have been telling girls for years not to use hotel connections...and use a prepaid phone not connected to them.
I just treat everywhere like it's hot...
Pittsburgh, PA and close by area is just a bad. They do a lot of new LE techniques also.
I booked with this service owner her name was Evona several times at http://www.pamelasbaywatchbabes.com (773)-759-0888 Her service was banned on TER and all reviews pulled. Then she switched her name to Charlie and changed her site to www.pussycatsetc.com (312) 420-5089 In order to get reviews posted.
I am floored... i just saw Daley a few weeks ago. this could have been me. I have used pussy cats, etc. a few times, and Charlie always seemed to be on top of things over there.
Charlie, could you please chime in here and help explain the situation or are you going to turn your back now?
are you really expecting Charlie of PCE to come post on TER about what happened after her service has been busted and shes being watched hardcore? LOL shes, unfortunately done in this city for a long time.
Can anyone verify this info is correct and HotDate isnt trying to slander someone? He has had some weird posts in the past.
Thanks!
Hi,
The call went to voicemail that said they were not available, leave a call back #!!!! I did not want to leave a #!!!! DARN, I wanted to set up an appointment w/ Daley!!!! Oh well..... I'll play safe & look elsewhere, for now!!!!
I know I made some weird posts in the past
but this one is 100% legit
pm me for details.
there is obviously a huge crackdown in Chicago since the last few weeks. Anyone has any idea why?
I was about to say that. Not to cast stones at anyone, but HotDate was the guy who just a week ago said that all our girls are liars and that he was thinking of bringing in a high price ($1500) UTR provider from Russia.
Be cautious but consider the source of this info. Daley could have been busted and Pussycats is just laying low for a few days...this could be the cop who busted her for all we know.
If they busted 5 or 6 guys, or shut down the agency, it will probably be in the paper in the next few days. That's a big attention getter for them, so they won't sit on it long.
SMEGMA!!
the agency was definitely the target
they threatened me really bad to get me to "cooperate" against the agency. I told them to go to hell. But I don't know what the other guys said. What I don't understand is how they got so many guys. One of the cops was talking about 8. How can the girl be booked so many times?
Are you sure the girl(s) or agency cooperate(s) with LE? I doubt that hon
. Please let us know if you know more about it. Feel free to PM me.
But yes, sorry guys, I heard to many horror stories from there. If someday I could figure out how to avoid those, I might visit Chicago but not now or sooner.
Hanging there we have to find away to stay safe and still have fun.
Here is what we need to think and I agree with him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH0d8elEg0Y
go see women who you've already been with or make sure your a verified rs2 client and see only a new provider who you have met at meet & greets or another well-know provider has referred you to. The lady from Vegas was pinched here and they are watching the visiting provider ads very closely.
See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls, See your regular girls,
Get the point? 
xoxo
VC
What if your regular girls work at pussycats? Also to your point earlier about you girls having direct lines of contact between you (real emails), what if one gets busted and rolls on the others. Through the ISP info attached to that email account, it would be real easy to track a girl down. If I were a provider (I'd be broke first of all...) I'd have 2 or 3 'fake' emails one for clients, one for other providers and one for the agency directly. None of them would be 'real' emails (yahoo, hotmail, gmail). You should always have the option of vanishing off the face of the earth if you want to.
I agree with your point though. It's no time to go experimenting with new associations, provider or client.
On a related topic(maybe better on the legal board...but it applies here). As providers, is there any sure fire 'LE check' you can do when a client enters the room, such as have him grope you or drop his drawers(all before any envelope is presented)? Of course that puts us clearly in the crosshairs if the cops are planting a female officer for the sting....but from your angle, is there a true test?
SMEGMA!!
And that all her $$$ disappeared. Did anyone else hear this or is it just a rumor?
If it's not a rumor, there's one answer to your question
indulge before the bust... besides once they are at your location it is your word against theirs and who do you think a court is going to believe?
No sure fire way...
Once LE make it to your room your busted!! whether you talk about money and sexual acts or not. Thats why ladies screen, to AVOID Meeting these guys in the first place.
Good Luck YOu guys may the hobbying gods be with you.
What if your regular girl gets busted and cooperates with LE like Daley did???
I asked Charlie from PC if this was true and indeed it is....see her response below:
"Yes Unfortunately Daley was busted yesterday and I didn't know the front desk called the cops.
Untrue is that we have have a weak verif system. We take only RS2k membs or ref from legit and well known providers
I am devastated that that happened myself, just got up now, because I didn't sleep all nite.
Unfortunately Daley won't be working with us anymore, since she can't be trusted.
I'm fine, don't think the agency is a target, nonsence."
Any info on how she got busted? Did they intercept a client on the way up and switch him out? If they screen well and it was the front desk calling the cops that got the ball rolling, wouldn't they still have to bust her in the act?
Do we know if she did in fact roll on other clients?
SMEGMA!!
Hi Smegma,
Since she was busted, Daley has been compromised!! Therefor, she should be "persona non grata" within the community!!!! PussyCats has dropped her!!! I would suggest hobbyists stay away from her!!! Unless you like playing w/ fire!!! Just my .02!!!
Here is all I could get:
"She was with a client when the cops knocked on the door as far as I understand from what she said. She called me last night around 11pm, which is an hour after her last appointment was supposed to be finished.
She was charged and will have a court date. We will supply our attorney for her but that's all we can do.
Unfortunately those clients were Rs2k members and/or we know them for a long time.
Her pics and profile will be down today. She had my instructions to call us if the worst would happened and I would send her a lawyer right away. I'm devastated that she didn't do so and cooperated instead. I talked to her shortly during the day yesterday and she seemed to be as usual nothing in her voice what would give a suggestion that something is going on."
I have spoke with Charlie a few times, she has caled me for reference and Iher and she always had the proper info and was pretty thorough with her verification I think.
What happened is either Daley was rude to someone like hotel mamger or le knows someone at the hotel. unless daley was smoking in the hotel and guests complained it could be a lot of different trhings that provoked it. If this lady daley cooperated witht le she probably had some type of controlled substance onher and made a deal, just my thoughts.
The front desk indeed contacted LE and then got her to cooperate. As Charlie stated, Daley did not give any indication that she was busted [until it was too late]. If she did, Charlie would have cancelled those appointments.
The hotel in question has done that in the past. Best to stick to provider friendly hotels.
work with Le. the maids, doorman or valets have been known to take $$$ for giving le tips, such as providers and those who use the stuff.
1. The agency Is very dangerous. First time I made an appointment they did not verify me at all and I am not RS2K
2. The girl was cooperating fully with the cops. She is a traitor. STAY AWAY
3. I don't think it was the front desk calling the cops, although I am not sure. It seems to me they busted her early in the day using a cop posing as a client (easy, no verification) and then forced her to cooperate under threats.
-- Modified on 1/27/2009 12:00:23 PM
Sorry for your misfortune hotdate.
I think the entire blame falls squarely on the provider in this case...she is a rat!
I have hobbied at that very place many times over the years without a problem whatsoever, and with an out-of-town girl at that!
Stick to girls who verify with RS2K, and try to be a repeater for a while. It has always worked well for me, and I've been around a long time.
Think smart and stay safe.
I booked with this service owner her name was Evona several times. Her service was banned on TER and all reviews pulled. Then she switched her name to Charlie and changed her site to www.pussycatsetc.com in order to get reviews posted.
-- Modified on 1/27/2009 12:03:58 PM
you dont know what youre talking about, to be fair. the reason for Ivona's reviews being pulled had nothing to do with LE. charlie/ivana has not been "busted" in the past or now.
Daley Lane was busted. And did what most people do when in a scary legal situation where police threaten them with life as they know it ending, they cave and agree to help out.
If you think you wouldnt, youre kidding yourself. Police detectives working vice, are pretty good at convincing you your in an enormous legal pickle, and (unless your a pretty sharp lawyer yourself, or have one with you) your not going to be able to see their claims as trumped up or needlessly scary..
In order for charges to be dropped.
Too bad for those guys that fell into that trap.
The majority of escorts or hobbyists would have done the exact same thing as that provider in that predicament; that's why everyone should always be careful in the hobby.
Charlie the service owner of pussycatsetc.com)or Ivana banned service owner(pamelasbaywatchbabes) Charlie / Ivana if in fact are one and the same person? Should a TER banned service owner be able to have reviews posted under a different service name?
It has nothing to do with indy vs agency or ladies you know. The vast majority of people, male or female....provider or engineer.....pro or amateur, would roll when THEIR ass is on the line. Not a good day for the hobby.
Hopefully this agency didn't save any verification info.
What's going to happen to the men? Was the guy's car taken? financial costs? prison time? etc...
I am sure all that info is gone! there was a link as what to say when busted and boy it is needed here because if the guys didn't say anything they would have not been taken in unless they told the le what and why they were there.
threatening the guys with losing their jobs, wives their life as they know it, anyone who doesn't know what to say rolls over!
maybe some guys should do a little research just in case they are confronted with this situation.
Everyone is on this and saying it was the agency but fact is so many, many more independents, especialy traveling, get caught than agencies and it is not brodcast over the boards.
I am talking about independents and agencies, in general, all over not only here in chicago I mean as a whole.
I used them a couple of weeks ago. wow, this freaks me out!
near the location and what Hotdate says is right.
Today there were a lot of cop cars going in and out of the parking lot of the hotel. The bust must be over, and they must not be collecting other evidence and interviewing hotel staff, etc, etc.
Never,never stay there or visit a lady there. Undercover in Des Plaines is known to get a room next to yours just to watch your traffic.
Many providers have had issues at that hotel. The staff there cooperates with LE. That place is off limits guys!
I haven't been there in a good year and a half, but I have hobbied there maybe 10 times without ever encountering a problem. Would I go back now? Doubtful...as it's now a hotspot. But it hasn't ALWAYS been trouble. I am living proof of that. This falls squarely on the provider who kept giving the all clear to the hobbyists to enter after she got busted. She played ball and the guys took the fall. That's basically the story.
I have been in this business for 20 years. I worked as an escort for ten of those with some of the top agencys back in the day. I also was an indie for some time and later, ran my own gals.
I do not know to laugh or cry at some of the ways things are run by the ametaurs.
Look, don't go see girls in cheap motel rooms. Don't use agencys ar indies who are drug addicts. If they get arrested they are GOING TO TURN BECAUSE A SILLY LITTLE MISDEMEANOR PROSTITUION CHARGE IS NO BIG DEAL, BUT THEIR FELONY FOR DOPE WILL BE!!
And yes, there is a way to screen to avoid LE.Hint: it's not by using screening services....
Charlie over at PC has this to say:
To everyone concerned and to all of you I consider our family: " Please don't abuse the tragedy for a selfcentered posting, advertising and jumping into a conclusions. Stay with a facts. You all know, I'm giving a hard time verifying, and we don't even do verification through the work for a couple of months now.
What happened, can happen to anyone of us and we should all stay tight and pray to God for each other safety. I was keeping all of you safe for 2 years now, unfortunately I can not be held resposible for Daley's actions. On my side was everything done right as usual and you know that.
In a situation like this we need to find a dignity within ourselfs and handle all the info I gave you with a sensitivity and discretion !! I am hurt. All those involved are hurt. if you talk, talk with a facts. If you promote yourself, please do so with a class.
I am serving you safe and dearly, so I am in the position to say that".
Hi,
Someone getting killed is a tragedy!!!! A Provider getting popped & taking down some clients Is so very unfortunate, not tragic. We all know the risks involved in this hobby & we all enter w/ our eyes wide open!!! Let's keep this in perspective & hobby safely!!!! Just my .02!!!! BTW, In the highly unlikely event I get popped I'm falling on my sword & not flipping on anybody!!!! I chose this hobby & I pay all consequences that happens to me!!! Now, that the events of yesterday have died down, somewhat, It's time to get back to hobbying & make an appointment!!!! ;o)
I agree. It's a shocking, highly unpleasant event, but "tragedy" is too strong of a word to describe someone getting busted. Let's not throw the word around, and save it for events that are truly tragic.
It is NOT a tragedy
In the worst case I get a $100 fine and my record exponged after a 2 hour class. No big deal!
I actually believe my case will be dismissed
I'm not from Chicago, but in my state LE can hold you without charges until they identify you... up to 72 hours. Plenty of time for fingerprints, mug shots. Better to give proper id, then ask if you are under arrest? If NO, then leave. If they want to detain you for questioning, ask for a lawyer. Once you give them Id, they can contact you if they have any questions...
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My largest concern is how did the service send over 5 or 6 guys, do they really have clients scheduled back to back like that? Even if they were 30 minute sessions (which that service does not advertise for) that is still a minimum of 4 to 5 hrs they would have been there.
I have no doubt there was a bust, and that we all have to be careful. But 5 or 6 in one night?
My first post
It pays to keep your eyes open and make a mental note of things.