I myself was just thinking this the other day. I'm curious as to how this will be handled by both the clients and the ladies.
Within the next several months the state of illinois is going to begin issuing their CCW permits, which means that law abiding citizens can carry, at their discression a concealed firearm. Well the obvious is that some of your clients will be "packing heat" when they arrive, and in the process of getting naked that should become obvious. Have any of you ladies discussed how you plan on handling that, because regardless of how cavalier you wish to be, there is going to be a very small elephant in the room. Other states have been dealing with this for sometime, how are their ladies handling it. I don't bring this up for confrontational issues, but rather so that we, the client have an idea of the best way to deal with it, that will have the least impact on the ladies and the sessions for all those involved. Perhaps a good conversation can get us all through this. Just an aside, I have written a check to the state for my CCW, but would never consider carrying anything more dangerous then my tongue into an appointment. Ladies, guys, please respond.
Personally, I don't think a provider or hobbyist should have a problem with anyone (including the provider or hobbyist that he or she is seeing) LEGALLY having a firearm on them as long as he or she is not using it for nefarious purposes. The problem is that unless I'm wrong, Illinois's new CCW law is still pretty restrictive. Although I miss Chicago, I'm very glad to live in a state that allows people to freely carry openly or concealed firearms. Illinois still has a long way to go, but this is a start.
Personally, I would have tons of respect for a provider if I found out she was carrying a concealed firearm for her own protection. It's her 2nd amendment right, as it is mine. Again, though, Illinois's new CCW law is still pretty restrictive, especially compared to other states. Will CCW permit holders even be allowed to carry firearms into hotels? The reason I ask is because hotels are where providers and hobbyists frequently meet.
I don't care about the law.. DO NOT come to see me carrying a weapon.. period.
Personally, I would have tons of respect for a provider if I found out she was carrying a concealed firearm for her own protection. It's her 2nd amendment right, as it is mine. Again, though, Illinois's new CCW law is still pretty restrictive, especially compared to other states. Will CCW permit holders even be allowed to carry firearms into hotels? The reason I ask is because hotels are where providers and hobbyists frequently meet.
You have the right to set your own rules, and I respect that. I also understand why you'd have that rule. Of course, if that is one of your rules, a guy has the right to decide not to see you, which I'm sure you understand as well. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm just stating the reality of the situation.
This is just my personal opinion, but considering how risky and dangerous this industry can be, I don't blame providers or hobbyists for carrying at least one weapon (doesn't have to be a firearm) for self-defense.
bebedoll, I have a question for you. Do you think providers should also not carry a weapon? Just curious.
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Do you have one of those? That's so hot.
And practical. No one should mess with you ladies! Stay safe.
I'm not looking at your piece though, your thigh is of much more interest
No one's safety is at risk if everyone has been verified. I will not under any circumstance allow a gun in my room. I don't need a gun tooting hobbyist. Guns only have one purpose and that is to kill. So since you are not coming to kill me and you are not coming to see me to kill me. I will require all guns be left in your car or home.
I agree with CeCe, why do you need to have a weapon at an appointment?
But if you are a police officer, that would be an exception to the rule!
My personal preference would be to leave the gun at home or car.
Thanks
JC
P.S. I have seen to many drunks on the train that conceal and carry, which I don't feel comfortable about
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"Guns only have one purpose and that is to kill."
I live in a rural area. One night, maybe three-ish, a friend's girlfriend pulled into the driveway, followed, by a car with four young men. The young lady had been looking for love in all the wrong places, got in over her head and the intention of the young men was clear.
Me, a middle-aged man in his underwear was able to tell these young men to get the hell out of here because I knew there was a Glock17 behind me and I never even had to pull it.
So guns also serve to prevent rape.
I myself was just thinking this the other day. I'm curious as to how this will be handled by both the clients and the ladies.
Nothing good can come from having a firearm on you when you see a provider. Nothing at all. This can be a scary business, with plenty of creeps out there. We should be trying to create an environment where a provider feels safe. So do everyone a favor and leave that shit at home or locked in the glove box. Otherwise you're liable to find yourself blacklisted.
Maybe my situation is different than yours. But I'm seeing well reviewed, established providers that I've interacted with. I have done enough homework up front that I'm not the least bit concerned about my safety. So I have absolutely no need to bring anything to protect myself other than my disarming wit and charming personality.
From the provider's perspective, I've been verified by P411, have a number of P411 OK's and TER white lists, and have no problem providing references. A provider has nothing to fear from me. If she has pepper spray in her bag that's fine. But I do not want a gun in the room.
Couldn't agree more! Legal or not, there is no reason for the provider or client to carry a concealed weapon-period!!
From the provider's perspective, I've been verified by P411, have a number of P411 OK's and TER white lists, and have no problem providing references. A provider has nothing to fear from me. If she has pepper spray in her bag that's fine. But I do not want a gun in the room.
This is not a good idea.
Following a year when Chicago led the nation in homicides with more than 500, the city's Police Department said Wednesday that in 2013 the city recorded the fewest killings since 1965 and saw its overall crime rate fall to level not seen since 1972.
The city, which ended the year with a 16 percent drop in crime, saw the numbers of violent crimes, including robbery, aggravated battery and criminal sexual assault drop significantly — some by double digits— as well as drops in burglary and motor vehicle theft.
But it has been the city's homicide rate, especially the toll on young people, that has captured national attention.
The year did not start promisingly, with more than 40 homicides recorded in January, including that of 15-year-old honor student Hadiya Pendleton, who was gunned down a mile from President Barack Obama's South Side home. But the rate slowed considerably after that, and by the end of the year the city had recorded 415 homicides, 88 fewer than in 2012 and 20 fewer than in 2011.
"We are making significant progress by putting additional officers in high-crime areas, using intelligence to prevent retaliatory shootings, moving officers from administrative positions back to the streets," Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said in a statement.
One reason Chicago has been in the national spotlight is that in recent years it has recorded more homicides than larger cities like New York City and Los Angeles. That was again true in 2013, with New York recording 333 homicides, the lowest number since comparable record-keeping began in 1963. And, according to the Los Angeles Times, as of Dec. 28, there were 250 homicides in LA, compared with 298 the year before.
In Chicago, the police also said the number of shootings fell 24 percent from 2,448 to 1,864 between 2012 and 2013, and the number of shooting victims dropped from 3,066 to 2,328 for the same period. Further, the department said every police district in the city saw a reduction in crime and all but four of the city's 22 police districts saw the number of homicides either fall or remain the same as the year before.
You do realize that from 1982 until recently, there was a de facto handgun ban in Chicago as well as a onerous firearm registration regimen? All the years of horrific gun violence here happened when you essentially couldn't legally have a handgun.
It seems pretty obvious that a ban wan't working.
Violent crime has been going down across the board, which could be attributed to all sorts of things - better policing strategies, the long term effects of removing lead from gas, etc. It certainly isn't due to gun control.
Cheers!
Following a year when Chicago led the nation in homicides with more than 500, the city's Police Department said Wednesday that in 2013 the city recorded the fewest killings since 1965 and saw its overall crime rate fall to level not seen since 1972.
The city, which ended the year with a 16 percent drop in crime, saw the numbers of violent crimes, including robbery, aggravated battery and criminal sexual assault drop significantly — some by double digits— as well as drops in burglary and motor vehicle theft.
But it has been the city's homicide rate, especially the toll on young people, that has captured national attention.
The year did not start promisingly, with more than 40 homicides recorded in January, including that of 15-year-old honor student Hadiya Pendleton, who was gunned down a mile from President Barack Obama's South Side home. But the rate slowed considerably after that, and by the end of the year the city had recorded 415 homicides, 88 fewer than in 2012 and 20 fewer than in 2011.
"We are making significant progress by putting additional officers in high-crime areas, using intelligence to prevent retaliatory shootings, moving officers from administrative positions back to the streets," Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said in a statement.
One reason Chicago has been in the national spotlight is that in recent years it has recorded more homicides than larger cities like New York City and Los Angeles. That was again true in 2013, with New York recording 333 homicides, the lowest number since comparable record-keeping began in 1963. And, according to the Los Angeles Times, as of Dec. 28, there were 250 homicides in LA, compared with 298 the year before.
In Chicago, the police also said the number of shootings fell 24 percent from 2,448 to 1,864 between 2012 and 2013, and the number of shooting victims dropped from 3,066 to 2,328 for the same period. Further, the department said every police district in the city saw a reduction in crime and all but four of the city's 22 police districts saw the number of homicides either fall or remain the same as the year before.
have CCW. It seems some shooters lost their nerve when the intended victim might be packing.
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I'm sure you've heard about the roving band of flash mobs on Michigan ave that attack people and take their expensive phones. They'd think twice if that iPhone owner might be packing heat.
I'm not a gun toter or supporter, I'm completely neutral on the subject. But I am a firm believer in the Constitution so if Chicago wants to spend what little money it has left fighting in the Supreme Court and losing, go for it. Too bad for those of you living in the city as you're paying higher taxes to fight a battle that can't be won.
I've seen a provider who carries and it was a bit scary the first time until I was sure she wasn't BSC. I've seen her a number of times and I know it's there but it no longer concerns me. Having said that, no way in hell would I go to an appt with a concealed weapon, even with her. She may carry and is quite capable of taking care of herself but I know I'd scare the hell out of her if I showed up with a gun.
I can see cases where we could justify protecting ourselves against a ROB and her pimp but honestly, if you're doing your research and staying away from BP providers with no TER presence, then I doubt you'd run into a situation where carrying a gun would be necessary.
Tough, excellent question but I'll err on the side of the provider. The vast majority of the time, she's at more of a disadvantage than the hobbyist. I don't see a scenario in which I could ever justify bringing a weapon with me to an appt - it sounds crazy and would make her so scared, that she probably would perform terribly if at all.
and hobby to unload. Thank god most players insist on vests. It saves lives.
What?!!! this is a post about real firearms. Well I am all for the second amendment but would only hang out with someone carrying a gun if I trust the person.
Providers with CCW can be intimidating to some guys. So as long as its CCW and the guys don't know, it should be OK.
There is also that other thing about guys not liking a rod harder, thicker, longer and more potent than theirs being close by.
I had a few clients come packing and a few ask if it would be okay. Hopefully, Chicagoans are a little considerate since, given the choice, I will always say no. But, I'm not as uncomfortable around guns as most and DO know how to check safety, etc., so, meh.
P.S. I like the sound of a dangerous tongue...
I agree that a provider can set her own rules about this, and a hobbyist can decide their preference.
That said, as to the law itself, I support an absolute right of every human being on the planet to have any weapon they want and support the repeal of each and every restrictive gun or weapons law internationally, nationally, statewide, county wide and in Chicago. I am not currently a gun owner and am not likely to be as I only have one useable hand, my left, because of a 2008 stroke, so could not easily use a gun, but gun owners have my absolute 1000% support. The Second Amendment is as important as the First.
This is a great topic, and I will give my opinion. The 2nd Amendment gives us the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and any law that prohibits that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. This is America, where my right to carry a concealed weapon has the same weight as your right not to, or to deny me that right. As to the comment made by CECE, guns do not kill, people kill. Will you ban cars because a drunk driver killed someone? It's not the car's fault, it's the driver's fault. A gun laying on a table with no one touching it will not kill someone....okay, I'm finished. Thank you.
Those of us who've taken a $350 course and paid for the $150 permit are not the ones you need to worry about. We're the good guys with guns.
The thugs who've been packing and shooting all these years when law abiding citizens were forced to defend themselves, their homes, and their business with baseball bats are the problem. They're the bad guys with guns.
Every time one of those worthless thugs shoot each other it eliminates one more problem.
From my cold dead hands.
You may believe you're a good guy but she doesn't know you from Adam. You'll scare the crap out of her and no matter how good a guy you are and no matter how long she's known you, the presence of a gun in the room will always be in the back of her mind and it WILL affect her performance. She'll always be just a little scared of you if not downright frightened.
You're thinking from your own perspective and rights as a gun owner but put yourself in her shoes. She's the one that could be raped or attacked or killed by a client and that gun makes her a much easier target.
Ladies, you need to set firm ground rules about guns with clients. Put it on your web page, be clear about it when you set up an appt. When he comes to your room, he comes into your business space and you have every right to deny entry to anyone carrying a concealed weapon. This business is not legal but the laws about gun restrictions would probably apply if a case came up.
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Hahaha put it in their webpage, you're funny. Never seen that one before and we're the last state to have concealed carry. I'm sure most people in this realm try not to scare the ladies and thus this never comes up.
Yeah, well we're the ones who will follow all of the ridiculous signs that are placed on public transit and hotels prohibiting Concealed Carry.
This is not just NOW becoming an issue because of the new law, those who follow the law are not the problem, it those who have been breaking the laws the rest of us have been oppressed by for many years.
So again, the person getting a CCL in January 2014 is not the problem.
The thugs who've been packing and shooting all these years when law abiding citizens were forced to defend themselves, their homes, and their business with baseball bats are the problem. They're the bad guys with guns.
Every time one of those worthless thugs shoot each other it eliminates one more problem.
From my cold dead hands.
As far as bringing a gun t the appointment, I can see where one would feel safer with it if the provider was questionable but in that event I would not meet to begin with. Also any provider should be clear about the preference and we should respect that choice.
Went to go see a provider off BP and ended up getting held up by a guy who jumped out the bathroom 
Would you be better off now? Would you have tried to pull it out and been shot, perhaps killed? Would you have killed him and lost more then the $$ you had on you in the ensuing investigation? I'm not castigating you at all, I hate what you went through and I'm really sorry it happened, but I'm having a hard time seeing how having a gun in a situation where someone clearly had the drop on you (dimly lit, his eyes adjusted to the darkness and yours not, etc.) would have led to a better outcome. At best I think you would have been robbed of both money AND a gun, and having to explain how you lost said gun were it ever used in the commission of a crime (as I am assuming you did not report this robbery, given the circumstances). Not to mention all the time dreading when the phone or doorbell is going to ring and the question "sir, do you own a .38 caliber...?" is asked. All things considered it seems to me you were very lucky you were unarmed!
Oh absolutely, that was said in jest and anger. I really don't want anything to do with anyone who has/owns a gun.
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What do you expect off a little reviewed BP provider. I know there are good ones, but those are reviewed! Time to use your TER membership and if you on't have one, buy one. Saves you cash and bad experiences in the long run
There's unfortunately very, very little on TER up in my area so sometimes I get adventurous.
an extra 30-45mins travel may take that chance away. Good luck though. Unfortunately less populated area's are less popular because there are only a few guys there to service, the quality providers move on to an area where they can service more gentlmen who request them in other area's. Trust me that little time makes a huge difference
No way in hell would I bring a concealed weapon into an appointment, do you know how scared that provider will be? Come on, this sport is dangerous enough for the ladies as it is, don't go scaring the shit out of her with a gun!
Leave it in the car.
and to everyone who took the time to read all the different views, I thank you. I thought it would be good to start a dialog about possible scenarios (god you have to love an IPad, it spells words that I would still be struggling with) that somewhere between one of us, and all of us will face on a go forward. I am getting a CCW, but wouldn't take a firearm anyplace where I thought it would offend anyone, "who knew I had it on me". But, just as I love fine cigars, I have crushed many $25 to $50 cigars, because I noticed their smoke offended some folks, because I believe my role is not to be an offender, it's something I don't do well. And as far as someone's comment about my dangerous tongue, you have no idea
Again, thank you
There would be no reason whatsoever to have a gun on you during a date. Of course you have "the right" to, but there are certain situations where it just makes you a twat.
I have a regular back in Cincy. Ex marine with a CCW, bla bla bla. He knows damn well to leave that shit in his car before he comes to see me, because I would throw a temper tantrum of biblical proportions if he brought it. If a dude thinks it's acceptable to carry a deadly weapon on a date, he can go home and jack off to Charlton Heston, because he's not going to be getting any from me.
Time for a new favorite word mini-LR
In Texas, so I just left it in the car. Granted that was a fullsize and impossible to hide if disrobing. Had I had access to a pocketgun from back home I'd likely keep it with. In any case, that IL permit isn't worth the trouble since all search and seizure rights are given up just for applying. Fuck that.
I believe the wise words of a famous American poet can shed some light on this discussion.
"My tongue is a Uzi
My dick is a AK
My tongue go brrrrrr!
My dick go pow!"
- Lil Wayne (from the song Wowzers)
Based on these teachings I would say there is no need to bring an actual firearm when seeing a provider as this metaphorical arsenal would be much more appropriate to the task.
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I am not, and never will be, a gun owner.
However, I find gun owners to be intelligent and careful people. I would assume in most cases a CCW permit holder would leave their firearm in their vehicle when visiting a lady.
Of course if the location is shady, perhaps they would want to bring it in, but 6 months from now I would guess most ladies will report that CC weapons have not been an issue for them.
Interesting topic. There is a wide range on perception about guns. Some people like them, some dont, some dont care. I'm just curious if any of the providers would be worried if someone was carring a Knife? Someone said that; It would freak them the f*** out if some one had a firearm. A knife is just as deadly if not more deadly has a firearm at close distance, like inside a hotel room.
So this will just cause providers to add a new preference line to their ads...
"No weapons allowed" ...
And let the gent figure out what she meant...
I believe the law says businesses can post a sign... 