Do any of you have concerns about performing DATY on these providers that you know to provide BBBJ to other mongers. Vaginal secretions are filled with HIV! All it takes is a cut or sore on your muscous membranes (or gums) and the virus can easily penetrate into your bloodstream. The same is true for the providers that perform BBBJ on mongers. An HIV positive monger can easily pass this to the provider. Afterwards, the provider can infect another monger with HIV while the monger is performing DATY. Look at how the porn industry has been infected by only one star that was infected in Brazil. I lost a good friend to AIDS. It was a bad final three years before death. Play safe guys!

I am glad someone posted about this, I have wanted to for a while. There are so many other things that can be transmitted orally BESIDES HIV. You can get herpes simplex 1 & 2, oral syphillis, chlamydia of the throat, and HPV. SO please think twice before you go to a provider that offers any type of bareback arrangement for you. If she does you bare, imagine all the other people she does it for...NONE of those are fun diseases to have and all can be transmitted again to your partners. Lets try to keep the hobby clean and fun for everyone.

OK, got my attention.  Now what?  Like many (most?) hobbyists, a high point in any session is bringing satisfaction to the provider, and real or playacting, this seems best done by DATY.  So is there a way to do covered DATY, cover on my tounge or diaphram or something like that, and to do it in a way I don't feel and look like a total idiot?  The providers I hang with for the most part are pretty sensible so I'm sure already understand the dangers, but on the other hand they seem to welcome the BBBJ and DATY routines as rote, I guess because they get me super-excited and otherwise get the job done and make for a hot natural lead-in to the CS that follows.  So the fact that uncovered play is so rock-solidly in place from both provider and hobbyist perspectives is a major hurdle.  And equally important is the most basic and widely accepted definition of GFE, which includes BBBJ asnd DFK and DATY, so a mutual altering of process and expectations (call it instinct re-eduacation if you will) is needed, and what beter place than on these boards (unless you gals have formed some sort of union that could better get the job done, lol).  Maybe progress is served by a loose confederation of hobbyists and providers posting here and on TBD and other popular boards (I don't know of others but there must be some) every other week or so reminding that there are pleasing alternatives to past accepted routines and the historical GFE mindset (you've some selling to do there, lol), so that eventually covered activity becomes more commonplace and part of the inherent escort negotiation on-the-net or on-the-spot.  I'd certainly try to cooperate if a provider showed me the way into an exciting and non-cumbersome means of performing and enjoying covered DATY.  Does that mean you gals would have to give up some the enjoymnent of DATY (Pleeeease don't pop my bubble by saying you never really liked it)?  Well, that's biz, right?

on the related subject of DFK, I don't know what we do.  Maybe by cleaning-up DATY, DFK becomes less risky and acceptable, I just don't know.

In my eyes the onus is on you providers if we're to get anything done here (spoken just like a guy, right?), although we hobbyists certainly should be responsible enough to try whatever you come up with.  A lot has to do with the degree of mutually intelligent reception across the bedsheets, but we're smart people here so I expect that will develop.  This is your biz, not ours, so you providers just have to lead.  Hell, we hobbyists pant over most everything you string out there for us anyway, so why not something new here?  You've just got to sell and that something new with the same sexuality as all the stuff we're doing together now.  As always, just depends on tease and delivery, and many of you lovelies are sooooo good at that!

Bottom line is that the catagory of hobbyist I fall into is looking for a short-time hottie GF to be intimate and personal with, so covered BJ and DATY have to be turned into "hottie GF" and "intimate and personal" things.  Is that possible, who knows?  I've experienced a lot of hot and willng providers with brains and wit and, probably most important, the sensual ability to lead escort sessions just about anywhere they want (within reason, lol).  After feeling and tasting the uncovered real thing all these years, can we hobbyists be converted?  Don't know till we all try.

Anyway, yata yata yata yata yata.  All we know for sure is that if we continue our pussyfooting around the HIV topic, nothing ever will get done.  I expect you gals out there talk to each other, so why not get some effort underway to change things?  One thought, maybe we get the cooperation of TER or establish a separate board where providers and hobbyists devoted only to covered activity can post and advertize in a receptive environment.  If you get enough really great-looking and youngish and 9/10-performing providers involved (again, this is YOUR biz and you gals still have to be the unifying draw), this new board could become an alternative meeting and scheduling place.  And after time, it could become focused not on the risks, but rather on the exciting new-wave sexual experience sought and offered.  Reach that point, and my bet is that plenty of well-heeled hobbyists will come around and the money machine you gals are part of will continue to chug right along.

Thoughts???  
         

-- Modified on 5/12/2004 3:39:02 PM

Not from Chicago area and I'm a bit ignorant so hell I thought I would jump in.  From what I know, the source of the HIV porn issue was a guy who did BB Greek down in Brazil and got 3 ladies infected up here.  I belive (and may be wrong) but at least two of those were BB Greek.  The third I'm not sure about.  The fourth was a seperate case all together.  
Now BB anal is damm risky.  But as of now (and I may be wrong) it hasn't passed to a third generation (1st being the guy, 2nd being the ladies).  My curiousity is how many BBBJ/DATY sessions did those three ladies do before they were told to stop performing and the guy tested positive.  How many other ladies did the guy do BBBJ/DATY with but not BB Greek that did not test positive.
I AM NOT SAYING BBBJ/DATY IS SAFE!  There are a lot of things you can catch via BBBJ/DATY.  I think it will be a few months before everything comes out in the open and at that point we'll understand the transimission effectiviness of this.

that is why I'm very interested in the female condom.
fc offers effective protection for daty I wish providers would at least become familiar with proper technique because from now on I always have one available for use.
Thanks for the topic which should concern all of us !

Doesn't ANYBODY use dental dams?

Any safe sex advocate worth their salt should be able to tell you where to find and how to use dental dams.

It's a sheet of latex that goes between one's face and a vagina.

ReENTAL DAMS, PEOPLE

Yeah, but talk about feeling like an idiot, especially if not initiated by the provider and comfortably introduced into the action.  Still got to be sexy and alluring, and don't know how that's done without provider doing it.  Hobbyist kind of at her mercy on this, seems to me.

ReENTAL DAMS, PEOPLE

dental dams appear to be a great alternative. I have never seen one and obviously never usedone and for that fact, don't even know where they are purchased...where do you get them?