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Blacklisting is far different than outing on a TER board.
souperman 7 Reviews 1396 reads
posted
1 / 14

I've seen Angelica 4 or 5 times, always have had a great time with her.  She has high marks on her reviews and they are well deserved although she has had an issue in the past with being on time. However, two things have happened recently that bother me and I now feel compelled to sound a word of caution for others who might be affected.

First of all, I used her as a reference while traveling out of town a couple of weeks back.  About two days later I received a completely unsolicited text message from her about 5:30am (yes, 5:30am) telling me she was in my part of Chicago that day if I wanted to see her.  Ladies, don't EVER, EVER send unsolicited text messages.  Luckily my SO was not with me at the time or it could have been a real mess.

Secondly, I had been out of town for awhile and just came home this past Monday afternoon.  I was in the mood, sent her an email and text.  She told me she would be available about 9pm.  I told her that would work; shortly after I received another text that asked if 9:30 would be ok.  I said it would be and even offered to get the hotel room if that was an issue.  She replied soon after that she already had the hotel room, but needed some extra funds for "incidentals" while checking in.  She asked if I could stop and get a prepaid Visa card for $25 that she could use for the incidentals hold on the room.  Having seen Chitownluda's recent review of her (February 2014), this scenario sounded familiar and somewhat unsettling.  I asked her to first let me know the hotel she was at as I was not going to go to the trouble of getting a prepaid Visa unless I had confirmation she was actually at a specific hotel.  This was about 30 minutes before we were to meet.  I received no reply and no response; I sent several more texts with no reply.  I followed up Wednesday morning with another text looking for an explanation but still have received no reply.  I'm pretty sure nothing bad has happened as I see she is and has been on P411 the past several days (and right now as I type).

Not looking to bash her, she is a sweet person and her high marks are well deserved when you can actually meet her, but I think it appropriate to give other hobbiests a heads up when trying to book with her going forward as her actions have been inconsiderate at best. You should also see Chitownluda's recent review as well.  YMMV.  Website is attached.

PS - I realize this may not qualify as a true NC/NS since I never received an actual address, but having dealt with her in the past, this type of uncoordinated communication was not unusual.  I had actually left my house to hit the ATM and was still trying to communicate with her in the process.

JoeAverageHobbyist 552 reads
posted
2 / 14
souperman 7 Reviews 603 reads
posted
3 / 14

I'm not married, so I don't have to worry about someone being around all the time.  My SO is only over once a week at the most, but 5:30am is a ridiculous time to text someone.  Would be hard to explain that away.  I may have to take your advice although having a second phones conjures images of Walter White's undoing in Breaking Bad!!!

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MissErinBlack See my TER Reviews 778 reads
posted
4 / 14

If you weren't looking to bash her, you wouldn't have posted this. End of story.

Aside from that...

 I understand your dismay at the situation; believe me.  I encountered a similar situation for an outcall this week.  But you know what? I didn't out the guy. You read her reviews.  You read about the prepaid visa.  If that was unsettling, perhaps you shouldn't have booked.

Bottom line: regardless of reviews and references, if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't.  Trust your gut

Emiglio 604 reads
posted
5 / 14

Posted By: MissErinBlack
If you weren't looking to bash her, you wouldn't have posted this. End of story.  
   
 Aside from that...  
   
  I understand your dismay at the situation; believe me.  I encountered a similar situation for an outcall this week.  But you know what? I didn't out the guy. You read her reviews.  You read about the prepaid visa.  If that was unsettling, perhaps you shouldn't have booked.  
   
 Bottom line: regardless of reviews and references, if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't.  Trust your gut.  
   
 "Didn't mean to bash her" but now because of his post, She's Angelica NoMore. I probably would have wanted to hear from her first.

Emiglio 582 reads
posted
6 / 14

"Didn't mean to bash her" but now because of his post, She's Angelica NoMore. I probably would have wanted to hear from her first.  And how did this wind up sppering as Erin's comment? Sorry!

 
 
Posted By: Emiglio
 
   
Posted By: MissErinBlack
If you weren't looking to bash her, you wouldn't have posted this. End of story.  
     
  Aside from that...  
     
   I understand your dismay at the situation; believe me.  I encountered a similar situation for an outcall this week.  But you know what? I didn't out the guy. You read her reviews.  You read about the prepaid visa.  If that was unsettling, perhaps you shouldn't have booked.  
     
  Bottom line: regardless of reviews and references, if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't.  Trust your gut.  
     
  "Didn't mean to bash her" but now because of his post, She's Angelica NoMore. I probably would have wanted to hear from her first.

souperman 7 Reviews 524 reads
posted
7 / 14

I was actually very complimentary of her and my previous visits.  All I did was state the facts and the efforts I made to give her ample time and opportunity to address the issue.  So apparently you believe providers should be able to blow off customers with impunity?  Good to know for future reference.

As far as you not "outing" the guy who did the same to you, that's your mistake.  There are quite a few providers who clearly state a NCNS will result in being blacklisted and the situation communicated to other providers.  I'll wait for you to bash these providers as well.......but I think I will be waiting quite a long time.

You apparently didn't have a problem with the review of her and the prepaid Visa.  In fact, you said I should have used that as a guide to determining whether or not to see her (trust your gut, right?).  That's all this is - a public service announcement to other providers so they can make informed decisions.  I like Angelica, always had a great time with her.  But she needs to be more professional and accountable to those who are taking time to see her and spend their money doing so.  I don't think that is bashing anyone, its simply an observation based on her behavior.

509643 23 Reviews 531 reads
posted
8 / 14

I agree with Erin. While I can understand the frustration, I feel like there's nothing here that is actual news to me. IMO, all of it seems in par with what I've read in her reviews..

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resource101 108 Reviews 715 reads
posted
9 / 14

I have read all of your posts and although Ms. Amore has taken some hits lately, I say please give her a break. I have also seen her and she is sweet, pleasant, intelligent and an awesome provider. And yes, I have also had some misadventures with her. But I happen to know that she is going through some tough stuff right now and I believe we should give her the benefit of the doubt. I know this is a temporary thing and she will continue on to be the great and reliable provider she has been in her entire past. Just look past the last few reviews.  Those who feel differently, wait for better review I am sure will come. Just my 2 cents.

MissErinBlack See my TER Reviews 517 reads
posted
10 / 14

It's not okay to blow off a client and expect no repercussions. But what you did was out her publicly, despite having had other great experiences with her.  That's what I don't understand.  

Now, of course I blacklisted him. It's the only way that providers can warn other providers in a discrete manner concerning a hobbyist who is dangerous, a time-waster, or NCNS. Doing this anonymously also keeps providers safe.  But blacklisting a hobbyist doesn't infringe upon said hobbyists' income. When you out a provider publicly like you just did, despite having had other positive experiences with her, you affect her livelihood.  

TER is a review site.  Her reviews, my reviews, everyone's reviews give other hobbyists more than enough insight into a provider's work ethic and skill; reviews "out" providers in and of themselves.  If you had a bad experience, since you can't review NCNS, you could have posted a topic about it, and told others that cared to know who it was that you'd be happy to discuss the matter in private.  

And if others wanted to make an informed decision about her, they'd read her reviews and come to their own conclusions.  If you like her so much, as you claim, you should have had this conversation with her in a private manner and addressed any concerns other hobbyists had in private as well.  

Stay classy, Chicago

souperman 7 Reviews 523 reads
posted
11 / 14

TER IS a review site; but as you point out, you can't review someone for a NCNS.  Why is it OK to give someone a negative public review for using fake pictures, bait and switch, not providing a satisifactory experience (whatever that man mean) etc. but it's not OK to give a publilc review of a NCNS?  There is no difference.  Yes, I could spell it out in general, non-specific terms and have 50 people PM me for the details, but I don't have the time/want to take the time to deal with multiple inquiries.  She is the one who created this situation, not me.

Just as you say in your last paragraph, others can read "her reviews" (and my post) and come to their own conclusions.  

Finally, please explain to me how, if she won't answer my private texts and messages asking for an explanation, I am to have "this conversation with her in a private manner"????  SHE DIDN"T CALL and SHE WON'T REPLY!!  Not that hard to understand.

Stay smart Chicago.

souperman 7 Reviews 597 reads
posted
12 / 14

As I indicated previously, I have always had a fantastic time with you and you have always been a pleasure to spend time with.  Thank you for acknowledging that I was not trying to harm you or reduce your financial means; if that had been my goal, I would have opened up this same line of discussion under the new ad you posted today on the ad board.  That was never my intention, despite the accusations of some, and those who look at this discussion objectively know that to be the case.  When we hobbiests make plans and take time out of our schedules to meet with a provider and get stood up, its an extremely frustrating thing.  This is not the first time it has happened to me, but you at least have the courtesty to address it.  The last provider need did and I have never made any other attempts to see her since.

I'm sorry that you are having difficulties in your personal/familial life.  Completely understand those things can bleed over into other areas of our lives (it happens to me as well) and cause problems.  All I would say is if I (or another) call to schedule and you just can't make it work due to other circumstances, just tell me up front.  I will understand.  I have never become angry at someone who says "I just can't meet tonight."

Having said all of that, I disagree that I was a "jerk."  I'm sorry that you feel that way, but you are entitled to feel however you choose about me.  I could post the full text of our messages from our email/text exchange that night, but don't think that would be productive of any good. The short version is you asked me to get a netspend reload card and I asked for the location where you were at.  When you didn't reply, I followed up with a question mark and then soon after a text saying that unless I heard from you in ten minutes, I would assume we were not meeting.  That was it; I didn't berate you, I didn't call you names.  I just didnt want to waste my time preparing for something that wasn't going to happen.  I don't think that is "being a jerk."  I was simply trying to confirm that we were still on for our 9:30 appointment so that I didn't leave my house and run to the store for something that wasn't going to be needed.  If things were falling apart on your end, a simple call or text to let me know would have been all that was necessary and I would not have held that against you.

Thank you for replying.  And knowing now that you were dealing with some family issues, I apologize if you felt I was pushing too hard regarding the appointment.  It was not my intention to cause you distress that night; and I do wish you the best going forward.  Perhaps we can renew our connection at some time in the future

Cropduster1 487 reads
posted
13 / 14
Cropduster1 399 reads
posted
14 / 14

with checking a provider into a hotel, did that once and due to issues with a coupon I sat for  
30 minutes in a cold parking lot so will NEVER do that again. Happy hobbies

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