It's true, SBR is pulling all of their girls out of NC. New law passed August 1st and they got first hand knowledge of it. There isn't a link yet because it's so new.
A lot of people on these boards seem to be confused about the legal definition of a pimp or a panderer. When I refer to someone as a pimp, I'm talking about a man who takes ALL of the money made by a working-girl and often emotionally and/or physically abuses her in an attempt to maintain control over her. But the technical definition is MUCH broader!
panderer
noun
1. a person who furnishes clients for a prostitute or supplies persons for illicit sexual intercourse; procurer; pimp.
2. a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others.
3. a go-between in amorous intrigues.
ALL agency owners are legally considered panderers. ALL bookers are legally considered panderers. Do you have a double's partner who you occasionally arrange to have meet with you and one of your regulars? THEN LEGALLY YOU ARE CONSIDERED A PANDERER. If caught in NC, all of these individuals are now viewed as sex offenders, the same as rapists, child molesters et al.
In La. if you are caught with a provider, you have to register as a sex offender. Yeppers.
Or did the changes only apply to providers, but not their clients? I'm a little unclear on this...
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That law was changed 2 years ago, the provider and client could now charged with a misdemeanor and are not required to register as a sex offender.
police and prosecutors could essentially target those they considered sexually deviant and charge them with "Crimes Against Nature" which is a FELONY. In practice, the majority sentenced under the law were women of color, including trans women of color. They had to register as SEX OFFENDERS, had the words “SEX OFFENDER” printed on their ID, and had to inform their neighbors about the conviction.
The law was changed June 30, 2011. It is now a misdemeanor, not a felony, huge difference
I watched SEVERAL professionals have to register as sex offenders just for being caught with a hooker. That was back in 2008, and I just assumed nothing had changed since then as far as having to do that.
and they were NOT male prostitutes.
Note that the article linked below also says that gay men in NC have been arrested in the last several years too.
Un-fucking-believable.
"Using the Internet, including any social media Web site, to solicit another for the purpose of prostitution."
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WTF?
"Any person who willfully performs any of the following acts with a person not his
or her spouse commits the offense of patronizing a prostitute:
(1) Engages in vaginal intercourse, any sexual act as defined in G.S. 14-27.1, or
any sexual contact as defined in G.S. 14-27.1, for the purpose of sexual
arousal or gratification with a prostitute."
Is NC instituting Sharia Law. This is what Taliban calls sharia law. Soon, women will not be allowed to go out without their husband or a male family member present.
Folks, I am not bashing NC, it is beautiful state and nice people but the politicians are fucking it up completely.
Enjoyed living Raleigh and Charlotte for couple years, it is sad to see politicians and nuts screwing it up though.
The law you are referring to has hopes of combatting sex trafficking and abuse of minors.
It targets pimps. It does not make "advertising" a felony.
SBR is not an agency; they are not "pulling their girls" anywhere, the girls are
indepenent who choose to book through SBR, but they go where they want. It may be
true that they intend to stop advertising in NC, I don't know, but as of now they are advertising
girls availability into August 10th or so.
"Misinformation follows us, like a plague....." Paul Simon
How did you interpret that from the post?
Remember, laws are interpreted broadly not narrowly. We are not in Europe where they follow Roman Law which is interpreted narrowly as written but not in Common Law countries such as US, UK, India and other British Colonies in Africa where common law is practiced.
There are no Jury trial, or trial by multiple judges in Roman Law which is the basis of law in most of Europe.
I do believe SBR fines their girls for being late, and other issues. Hence, agency. Since this bill gives leo more ammunition to combat pimps (agency is a pimp in the eyes of the law), raven has revamped her business model.
It is now a felony to advertise a girl on her behalf. Read the bill.
Posted By: clarence37
The law you are referring to has hopes of combatting sex trafficking and abuse of minors.
It targets pimps. It does not make "advertising" a felony.
SBR is not an agency; they are not "pulling their girls" anywhere, the girls are
indepenent who choose to book through SBR, but they go where they want. It may be
true that they intend to stop advertising in NC, I don't know, but as of now they are advertising
girls availability into August 10th or so.
"Misinformation follows us, like a plague....." Paul Simon
perhaps do some research first? First of all when was it ever really not illegal to be doing this in NC or anywhere else? Everyone should ALWAYS be careful. According to Hickory new articles, some random Backpage girls seemed to have been operating out of some high traffic location, which is probably where the tip came in. Thats usually how it happens. And the new law cracks down on trafficking mostly. Google new prostitution laws in NC. And actually read up on it. And keep things in perspective. No good is going to come from freaking everyone out. Thats what they want. Are you living in the 5th century or something? LE can trace or check out whatever they want to. Thats nothing new. Seriously, people. I'm not at all trying to downplay anything, seriously. But this is nothing new, and everyone needs to properly imform themselves, and if you're going to be involved in this business, whether a provider or hobbyist, be aware of whats going on around you and we all make our own decision to do this. Agencies are busted all the time, girls are busted all the time. Careful girls are busted. Guys are busted. Its just how it is. Freaking everyone out and posting ignorant statements doesn't do anyone any good.
I don’t about the past laws but this one is definitely passed in 2013 Legislative Session which makes it a new legislation on the books.
Reading enriches and not reading ———?
Great point. Although I do think it serves as an important reminder to how important thorough screening really is. I've been to Raleigh and only saw gents that were whitelisted on TER or okay'd on Date-Check or P411.
LE sees prostiution as the sum being greater than the parts. As a mature companion, I just try not to worry about it and remember how important it is to always know who it is I am seeing
...f***in religion outta' f***in politics"
Quote from friend just now 
stating a fact Doll! Sad truth but even more sad that you couldn't respond with tact instead of cursing.
The Southern Belle in me says, "Bless your Sweet Heart"!
Posted By: Courtney.ova
...f***in religion outta' f***in politics"
Quote from friend just now
Shut the fuck up. Tact? Really. A curse word is just that, a motherfucking word. Has no additional power over another word unless YOU as a dumb human gives it power. Fucking idiot.
I love seeing the word "classy" on a HOOKER website lol. Just saying. I curse like a Sailor on TER, but not in person. This is afterall, a FK BOARD. It amazes me how someone can swallow a nut, then be shy about profanity lol. Next...
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You have the wittiest posts lol. That was pretty funny...
"It amazes me how someone can swallow a nut, then be shy about profanity lol."
You are condemning her for cursing. Honestly when the image of a demure, proper Southen Belle is mentioned, you are the last person who would enter my mind. Now if i were asked about the sterotypical hooker that most of the world thinks of, that would be you, low class, honestly not that hot etc etc. Every post you make is basically an advertisment WTF? Before you jump a lady for cursing you do realize that you suck cock for money right? I took you're post as just another sad cry for attention, ease up already!!!
unless I'm seeing a diff post, courtneys post said f*****. Some people just have to start drama to make themselves look better. when all it does is make them look like a petty, catty b****. See what I did there?
Posted By: Captainstubby
You are condemning her for cursing. Honestly when the image of a demure, proper Southen Belle is mentioned, you are the last person who would enter my mind. Now if i were asked about the sterotypical hooker that most of the world thinks of, that would be you, low class, honestly not that hot etc etc. Every post you make is basically an advertisment WTF? Before you jump a lady for cursing you do realize that you suck cock for money right? I took you're post as just another sad cry for attention, ease up already!!!
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Do a search on this board and the GD board under my name and let me know how many tactful, useful threads and responses I've made. You'll have plenty of positive things to say.
This was just a little joke, sorry if I insulted you; although we are on an adult board, having adult discussions, and I would hope this is a place we can let our hair down and have a little fun every now and then...
Bless your heart too, sweetie. A tactful response would be appreciated from you as well. 
It unfortunately will never happen Court. Its a complicated topic that most people just will never completely understand all the parts that make it so but as long as politics are filled with humans (other alternative, robots, lol), then religion or some belief structure will be involved. Someone will always think their belief structure or religion is the most powerful and try to make all of us live by it or as many as they can. Nothing but fools. Fuck em. They will never hold me down
People need to stick to handling their own lives and we all truly know that for allllllll of us, it takes MORE than a lifetime to perfect ones own life and actions.
Now with all that said, if anything is put out there to help with the attacks on children in this world, well then I am listening. Not quite sure this law is meant for that (haven't researched it thoroughly) but if it is, then it deserves at least a watchful eye. Anyone who hurts children should be shot in the damn head, period. Fucking disgusts me.
I'm moving, as well as a few other girls I know. SBR is also pulling out of NC, according to them.
Ladies, do NOT risk it. It's not worth it. I will not be back in the Carolina's unless that law changes...
...adultery with someone is considered prostitution. Crazy
is soon be be illegal ................
crazy ass republicans !!!!!!!!
I'm going to get both while it's legal...assuming your serious, otherwise, I'll still get it, it will just be illegal (unless I can hook up with my 15 year old cousin, either the male or female)! or is that only in West Virginia, I forget.
WHAAAAT!?!?
I will have a dick in my ass if I WANT!! Hahaha
Damn right. Same goes for me lmao.
Posted By: OhCharlie
WHAAAAT!?!?
I will have a dick in my ass if I WANT!! Hahaha
Regardless of whether or not a minor or pimp is involved...
of three men who answered BP ads and were charged with felonies.
being forced into the sex industry was used right out of the gate for another purpose.
As I understand it, yes. The backers of the bill pushed the idea that it is the entire industry that is at fault and that in order to stop underage sex-slavery, penalties across the board needed to be increased (except on the minor victims: that bit is a good thing) especially on the pimps and even the johns... Right or wrong, it is logical... Whenever the far right and far left get together look out...
Now that's a powerful statement you just wrote.
Men, I suggest you start thinking like some of the providers are thinking. NC has just become too hot to be just playing around blindly. Either only f with independents who you have met or get on them dating sites (married men, I know that's a hard one) or find more business trips outta state. By the way, I know there are some purely independent ladies smiling tonight in NC. Men, better start pre-booking your appts for them. SBR has moved on. I so do not blame them though. If its was my business, I would do the same thing to protect thyself and my counterparts at all costs. Sad day but the strong will adjust.
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provider rate increase. I am still laughing about that. Wonder who that could have come from? Hmm. Let me think for a sec. Ok, got it in under a sec. Cracks me up. Just saying. laladadaheheheWTHsherlock.
Good Sunday everyone. Have a kick-ass start to your week! Oh yeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhh. In my Pauly D voice.
No, no
Wherever I go, go
Trouble seems to follow
Only plugged in to save rock and roll
The Good--
This makes it easier to go after traffickers and pimps, and increases the penalty for said offenses, while offering some additional protections to underage victims. I think all here agree that Human Trafficking needs to be stamped out! This part we should applaud!
The Bad--
In spite of the good above, they have also chosen to increase the penalty for conviction of other prostitution offenses. Engaging in sex with a prostitute is now a felony. Bad news for the guys! But you STILL have to be convicted! And, upon the second offense, solicitation of prostitution becomes a felony. So trouble for the ladies as well. But again, you have to be convicted! The price for a good lawyer just went up, however, with the increase in potential penalty. Regardless of the main intent, it will probably draw additional attention to EVERYONE for a while.
The Ugly--
ALL of the uninformed and poorly thought out reactions here, especially including the OP which does nothing more than incite panic and paranoia, through ill-advised generalizations, with no clarification or supportive basis. LE has always been able to trace phones, with cause, when they chose. Smart ladies have always blurred or hidden their faces. And, the risk for both providers and Johns has increased, but more so for Johns, so by that logic, it should drive rates down Don't see it changing much either way. As for advertising, BP is probably going to become increasingly dangerous, but that was already happening, right?
Still, good safe practices (research and screening, along with discretion) will continue to serve us well. So, no cause for widespread Panic! Just stay smart, and stay safe
Those who follow Kim Komando, and who now reports that BackPage was where the child trafficking took place, and, I'm guessing here, was the root of this well-meaning law that went overboard by a mile!!!
Think I threw my back out after I read this mess, as I took to cleaning around the house as hard as I could---had to take my frustrations out on something, i.e. floors, blinds, shrubs----will find out if my politician voted for this and support whoever is running to oust him!!! Hope everybody does the same. Hell, he is probably a Hobbyist!
Most low rate girls on BP are being pimped out. Shame to all who visit them and keep the circle going.
Driving rates down? NC is one of the lowest rates to see a provider because its one of the top 10 where providers are. Which mean more to choose. Providers risk is increased, therefore rates go up. Plain logic is usually the hardest to understand.
I'm sure we will see a lot of providers going UTR or retiring.
Posted By: Anti-Alias
The Good--
This makes it easier to go after traffickers and pimps, and increases the penalty for said offenses, while offering some additional protections to underage victims. I think all here agree that Human Trafficking needs to be stamped out! This part we should applaud!
The Bad--
In spite of the good above, they have also chosen to increase the penalty for conviction of other prostitution offenses. Engaging in sex with a prostitute is now a felony. Bad news for the guys! But you STILL have to be convicted! And, upon the second offense, solicitation of prostitution becomes a felony. So trouble for the ladies as well. But again, you have to be convicted! The price for a good lawyer just went up, however, with the increase in potential penalty. Regardless of the main intent, it will probably draw additional attention to EVERYONE for a while.
The Ugly--
ALL of the uninformed and poorly thought out reactions here, especially including the OP which does nothing more than incite panic and paranoia, through ill-advised generalizations, with no clarification or supportive basis. LE has always been able to trace phones, with cause, when they chose. Smart ladies have always blurred or hidden their faces. And, the risk for both providers and Johns has increased, but more so for Johns, so by that logic, it should drive rates down
Don't see it changing much either way. As for advertising, BP is probably going to become increasingly dangerous, but that was already happening, right?
Still, good safe practices (research and screening, along with discretion) will continue to serve us well. So, no cause for widespread Panic! Just stay smart, and stay safe!
One-sided logic is what's hard to understand. First, I wasn't making judgment on what rates are!! I agree they are very reasonable in NC and NOT saying they SHOULD be lower! Just applying your own plain logic, which obviously you are not totally clear on. You said in OP "The Providers risk has skyrocketed and so will there rates". This inflammatory statement has no bearing, because as you point out in your comment above "NC is one of the lowest rates to see a provider because its one of the top 10 where providers are" which clearly implies that rates are more affected by market saturation than by risk factor, if you buy that assumption. However, if one follows your previous "plain logic", the risk has increased on BOTH sides, in case you hadn't noticed. So consider this alternative... If Johns now risk felony charges (second offense, now in ratified bill) instead of just public embarrassment, as was often the case previously, they may be less likely to risk playing. If less Johns play, plain logic would imply that rates would go down, to attract more business from those who are playing. Of course that is overly simplified, because there are many other factors, and who really knows how this will all play out. It may certainly lead to providers retiring or going UTR, or even relocating, as you point out, and that COULD affect market saturation, and possibly prices. So, don't get your panties in a wad
Posted By: hehehahalaladada
Driving rates down? NC is one of the lowest rates to see a provider because its one of the top 10 where providers are. Which mean more to choose. Providers risk is increased, therefore rates go up. Plain logic is usually the hardest to understand.
I'm sure we will see a lot of providers going UTR or retiring.
Posted By: Anti-Alias
The Good--
This makes it easier to go after traffickers and pimps, and increases the penalty for said offenses, while offering some additional protections to underage victims. I think all here agree that Human Trafficking needs to be stamped out! This part we should applaud!
The Bad--
In spite of the good above, they have also chosen to increase the penalty for conviction of other prostitution offenses. Engaging in sex with a prostitute is now a felony. Bad news for the guys! But you STILL have to be convicted! And, upon the second offense, solicitation of prostitution becomes a felony. So trouble for the ladies as well. But again, you have to be convicted! The price for a good lawyer just went up, however, with the increase in potential penalty. Regardless of the main intent, it will probably draw additional attention to EVERYONE for a while.
The Ugly--
ALL of the uninformed and poorly thought out reactions here, especially including the OP which does nothing more than incite panic and paranoia, through ill-advised generalizations, with no clarification or supportive basis. LE has always been able to trace phones, with cause, when they chose. Smart ladies have always blurred or hidden their faces. And, the risk for both providers and Johns has increased, but more so for Johns, so by that logic, it should drive rates down
Don't see it changing much either way. As for advertising, BP is probably going to become increasingly dangerous, but that was already happening, right?
Still, good safe practices (research and screening, along with discretion) will continue to serve us well. So, no cause for widespread Panic! Just stay smart, and stay safe!
I'll tell you what, if I'm risking a felony, you are going to pay out the ass buddy.
Posted By: Anti-Alias
One-sided logic is what's hard to understand. First, I wasn't making judgment on what rates are!! I agree they are very reasonable in NC and NOT saying they SHOULD be lower! Just applying your own plain logic, which obviously you are not totally clear on. You said in OP "The Providers risk has skyrocketed and so will there rates". This inflammatory statement has no bearing, because as you point out in your comment above "NC is one of the lowest rates to see a provider because its one of the top 10 where providers are" which clearly implies that rates are more affected by market saturation than by risk factor, if you buy that assumption. However, if one follows your previous "plain logic", the risk has increased on BOTH sides, in case you hadn't noticed. So consider this alternative... If Johns now risk felony charges (second offense, now in ratified bill) instead of just public embarrassment, as was often the case previously, they may be less likely to risk playing. If less Johns play, plain logic would imply that rates would go down, to attract more business from those who are playing. Of course that is overly simplified, because there are many other factors, and who really knows how this will all play out. It may certainly lead to providers retiring or going UTR, or even relocating, as you point out, and that COULD affect market saturation, and possibly prices. So, don't get your panties in a wad
Posted By: hehehahalaladada
Driving rates down? NC is one of the lowest rates to see a provider because its one of the top 10 where providers are. Which mean more to choose. Providers risk is increased, therefore rates go up. Plain logic is usually the hardest to understand.
I'm sure we will see a lot of providers going UTR or retiring.
Posted By: Anti-Alias
The Good--
This makes it easier to go after traffickers and pimps, and increases the penalty for said offenses, while offering some additional protections to underage victims. I think all here agree that Human Trafficking needs to be stamped out! This part we should applaud!
The Bad--
In spite of the good above, they have also chosen to increase the penalty for conviction of other prostitution offenses. Engaging in sex with a prostitute is now a felony. Bad news for the guys! But you STILL have to be convicted! And, upon the second offense, solicitation of prostitution becomes a felony. So trouble for the ladies as well. But again, you have to be convicted! The price for a good lawyer just went up, however, with the increase in potential penalty. Regardless of the main intent, it will probably draw additional attention to EVERYONE for a while.
The Ugly--
ALL of the uninformed and poorly thought out reactions here, especially including the OP which does nothing more than incite panic and paranoia, through ill-advised generalizations, with no clarification or supportive basis. LE has always been able to trace phones, with cause, when they chose. Smart ladies have always blurred or hidden their faces. And, the risk for both providers and Johns has increased, but more so for Johns, so by that logic, it should drive rates down
Don't see it changing much either way. As for advertising, BP is probably going to become increasingly dangerous, but that was already happening, right?
Still, good safe practices (research and screening, along with discretion) will continue to serve us well. So, no cause for widespread Panic! Just stay smart, and stay safe!
Why would I "pay out the ass" if I am risking felony also??
Does anyone actually read anything anymore before spouting off?
Posted By: OhCharlie
I'll tell you what, if I'm risking a felony, you are going to pay out the ass buddy.
I was thinking the same thing but then thought to myself that a smart provider would say I suppose, that they are risking themselves more often than their clients. Still, too much of hike and it wont fly in this state. The ceiling rate men are willing to pay will always be tied to their wallets here. No way to escape it. The only way a provider would be able to get away with a tremendous hike (over 400-450 basically), is if there was a statewide increase in salaries for most industries here. Aint happening JACK! I would like to see some providers try for the 400 ceiling and see how long it lasts. Shit 350 here and you better be coming with something extra special and I mean extra!
I think that NC is about to see a lot of backlash from this.
We get a lot of out of towners in raleigh, just because rates are low and there are tons of girls. That is going to change, if any of the news sources report it. I have already had a couple out of town clients email to say "guess I won't be going back to NC!". If it happens with me, it's bound to be happening elsewhere, and that's gonna suck for North Carolina.
I know how much I contribute to the economy there, and I can only imagine with all of us combined. I can't think of many people who have the type of disposable income that we in the hobby do. They're really going to miss the girls who blow a load of cash the second they get it. I can even pretty seriously see a hotel or two in the raleigh area going out of business, as their biggest clientele was escorts. Yeah, a guy might quit hobbying all together and spend his $300 elsewhere, but she's going to spend her 2k she got on tour in another state now.
If rates go up, the market will adjust, even if that means a two hour date becomes a special occasion. I have seen girls charging way more than $400 do just fine, so obviously the market would be able to bear a $50-150 hike. Maybe not backpage, but I don't think anyone here particularly cares if those girls post a $50 special and set everyone associated with them up for some kind of trouble.
And, to be honest, the $350-$450 market has a totally different clientele. I think that, if that becomes the average rate, there will be another shift in the way girls market themselves and perform. It will be interesting, for sure, if it happens.
Posted By: GargamelsDrawers
I was thinking the same thing but then thought to myself that a smart provider would say I suppose, that they are risking themselves more often than their clients. Still, too much of hike and it wont fly in this state. The ceiling rate men are willing to pay will always be tied to their wallets here. No way to escape it. The only way a provider would be able to get away with a tremendous hike (over 400-450 basically), is if there was a statewide increase in salaries for most industries here. Aint happening JACK! I would like to see some providers try for the 400 ceiling and see how long it lasts. Shit 350 here and you better be coming with something extra special and I mean extra!
I did read your post, you just clearly don't have any sort of reading comprehension, or understanding of the world around you.
It's lovely that you think girls will lower their rates. My answer to that is: Thats not how it works. I don't give a good god damn what you're risking. If *I* am risking that, you are going to have to make it some kind of worth it. And I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Things that are beyond slap-on-the-wrist illegal are expensive. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can stop making jackass posts about how girls will lower their rates to take more of a risk, and no one reads before spouting off
And as for reading comprehension, you've already answered that with regard to yourself. Or, maybe it is just short attention span. I NEVER said that I "think girls will lower their rates" nor have I advocated that, in any post ever! As a matter of fact, I specifically said that I was "NOT saying they SHOULD be lower!" in one post, in an obviously failed effort to avoid this misunderstanding. I WAS, from the beginning as far as rates go, making a tongue in cheek statement regarding the Original Posters rant about increased risk driving rates higher. I simply said that by "that logic" the reverse could also apply. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, kind of thing. I responded the way I did to your jackass "you are going to pay out the ass buddy" post, simply because your dander was up against the wrong guy, lol.
Again, I NEVER SAID THAT GIRLS WOULD OR SHOULD LOWER THEIR RATES!! Please stop taking things out of context. My ONLY comments about rates have been in response to faulty logic, or misinformation! And, each one contained a reference to the "logic" being used. Why is that so hard to understand?
I understand the world quite clearly, and unlike you, I think both parties in this endeavor of ours SHARE the risks and we should be supporting one another, to mitigate those risks. So for me, it is not just about *I*. As I read the latest version of the new law, it seems that the first offense for both engaging in prostitution and soliciting prostitution remain a misdemeanor offense. It steps up to felony with second offense, I believe. This covers most of us here. I believe that thorough research and screening will serve us far better on both sides. Without that, higher rates will only get you wealthier idiots, and will do nothing to discourage LE since we taxpayers are covering their tab.
Regardless of risk, potential legal expenses, or whatever other factor, you are in charge of setting your rate however you see fit. I understand and respect that, and have never indicated otherwise. FWIW, I find your current rate structure quite reasonable. I do however, find fault with the OP's logic that rates will "skyrocket" due to increased risk. It is not that simple. So regardless of the rate that you feel you need to have to offset perceived risk increase, there is also a price point and a risk level at which myself and others will no longer be buyers. It will work itself out as it always does, in the longer run. As for me, I will mitigate my risks as I always have, by only dealing with independent ladies who have an established reputation and a level head.
One last thing, I have tried to remain civil and spell this out for you because it is clearly a sensitive issue, and you obviously don't understand "tongue in cheek" humor. In future, please be sure of the enemy before you attack. I assure you that it is not I.
Posted By: OhCharlie
I did read your post, you just clearly don't have any sort of reading comprehension, or understanding of the world around you.
It's lovely that you think girls will lower their rates. My answer to that is: Thats not how it works. I don't give a good god damn what you're risking. If *I* am risking that, you are going to have to make it some kind of worth it. And I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Things that are beyond slap-on-the-wrist illegal are expensive. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can stop making jackass posts about how girls will lower their rates to take more of a risk, and no one reads before spouting off.
You do realize your constantly in arguments with people because your posts almost always include an "intelligent" dis on whoever your responding too
Exactly. I'm "spouting off" for making a comment about paying out the ass? Never mind that every other thing out there that is illegal goes up in price.... Pussy must be different because by god they want it to be!
Posted By: hehehahalaladada
You do realize your constantly in arguments with people because your posts almost always include an "intelligent" dis on whoever your responding too?
You obviously don't read your own posts, as you went on and on about how by "plain logic" why would Johnny pay more when his risk increases as well? Well buddy, cause that's not how it works.
I have a secret for you: no one gives a shit what your risk is, only theirs. That's why illegal merchandise is so expensive. Sorry you can neither understand nor accept it, and feel the need to ramble on and tell me what I "don't know about life".
It's not about what you or I think. It's life. And when someone is risking a lot to provide you with something, you ARE going to pay out the ass for it. And if not, someone else will. Nothing has become, idk what you would call it, "more illegal", and dropped in price. Ever. Alcohol, drugs, or pussy. Even trying to make that point is asinine.
You can interpret the law all you want, and ignore what's happening. But others are smarter and will not. Be safe.
I was wrong to have brought up such a silly observation. But just for shits and grins, try looking up the word "hypothetical" sometime "Plain logic" was a term first used by the OP. I did use it, but referenced the OP, only to suppose a different scenario, using the same logic as them, just in fun because the topic was getting so serious. It was NOT my logic!! NEVER said "real world"!! I NEVER said prices SHOULD drop!! WTF are you going on about?? I was poking fun at the OP's simplistic statement - THAT IS ALL!! For the last time... I was not being serious about rates dropping. I could really care less about that. So, take a pill!
Oh, and by the way, I DO give a shit about YOUR risk, thank you very much. It is illegal for BOTH parties and discretion and good sense is required by each in regards to the other. We have to care, or else we may put one another at further risk. That is why I research carefully, only contact those who are reputable and responsible, as far as I can tell, and never hesitate to provide whatever screening info is required. But, I'm sure the guys that come to see you will be happy to know that you don't give a shit about theirs. Good luck with that!
I'd like to say this has been fun, but it has really been more sad. You seem like a smart lady, based on some of your other comments, so I just don't understand why this has been so hard to grasp.
Posted By: OhCharlie
You obviously don't read your own posts, as you went on and on about how by "plain logic" why would Johnny pay more when his risk increases as well? Well buddy, cause that's not how it works.
I have a secret for you: no one gives a shit what your risk is, only theirs. That's why illegal merchandise is so expensive. Sorry you can neither understand nor accept it, and feel the need to ramble on and tell me what I "don't know about life".
It's not about what you or I think. It's life. And when someone is risking a lot to provide you with something, you ARE going to pay out the ass for it. And if not, someone else will. Nothing has become, idk what you would call it, "more illegal", and dropped in price. Ever. Alcohol, drugs, or pussy. Even trying to make that point is asinine.
You can interpret the law all you want, and ignore what's happening. But others are smarter and will not. Be safe.
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Simplicity is the none debatable way to say something is going to happen. Complicating something opens the doors for argument (the humans approach). Your approach.
My alien friends are taking over the world, while your debating if aliens exist!!!! So simple... Now please uninstall and go bother your neighbors just in the same bully manner you do on the big ole bad internet.
Lmfao
Your words, darlin anti! This is what you said was "the ugly" in the post we are all replying to.
YOU wrote that rates should be driven down, then repeatedly and snottily defended that faulty logic. And when people pointed out you were wrong, you resorted to accusing them of not being able read. Clearly, it's you. So maybe make up your mind and lose the condescending attitude.
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ALL of the uninformed and poorly thought out reactions here, especially including the OP which does nothing more than incite panic and paranoia, through ill-advised generalizations, with no clarification or supportive basis. LE has always been able to trace phones, with cause, when they chose. Smart ladies have always blurred or hidden their faces.
****** And, the risk for both providers and Johns has increased, but more so for Johns, so by that logic, it should drive rates down *****
Don't see it changing much either way. As for advertising, BP is probably going to become increasingly dangerous, but that was already happening, right?
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You obviously don't understand general ideas/truths vs personal opinion.
Hypothetical, plain logic, whatever you want to call it. You tried to defend the idea that rates would go down (whether as a devils advocate or to much time on your hands), and I pointed out the painfully obvious fact that nothing gets cheaper when it becomes more dangerous to acquire. Sorry you can't handle being wrong, even hypothetically.
And, by the way, *I* give so much of a shit that I am moving and notified everyone I know in NC of the new law, ladies and gents alike. So go ahead and suck on that one while you're thinking of the next childish put down about my intelligence or how seriously I take responsibility for the ones who are kind enough to pay my bills.
But hey, maybe you'll manage to research enough girls that you'll magically reduce the risk within the community. Because that's how it works, we just take your word that you're not a cop and don't do any checks on you anyways *rolls eyes*. You research to keep yourself and yourself alone safe, just like we do. Until this is legal, all we can do is look out for ourselves, and if we can, warn others if something comes up. You don't research to keep the next girl from getting arrested, you research to keep YOURSELF from getting arrested, and there is nothing wrong with that. Just don't try to pass that bullshit off as "caring" and accuse me of doing less, when I do and care far more than 90% of the girls out there
The risk thing, ok. Well, I tell you this, for a felony, your rates better go up by 20,000% for it to be "worth it". If the risk is truly a probable one. And your economies of scale is way off on the rates for NC. Based on what you said, places like Las Vegas, LA, Miami, NY would have the lowest rates as well. They do not because of the price of staying in those places for providers for one, thus raising the competitive rate scale of other providers in those places. Again, "IQ master", the main reason NC is lower and will stay lower than DC, LA, Las Vegas, Miami, NY is because the cost of travel in those places are much higher and that difference will never change.
I don't care what is going on. You can raise your rates in this state if you want. There is and will always be a threshold here and if you pass it, you will surely learn quickly and be on that red eye. Go ahead, try it out for size.
So many of the Florida ladies TOUR out of state to make big money. there are plenty of hot ladies charging $250-$300 in Miami. And there are some charging more. Places like DC,and Boston and NYC the ladies for the most part can get a higher donation because the hotel rates are crazy high.
Steph
I'm not sure how closely you can compare a price based purely on the cost of doing business, vs price based on increased risk. I'm not aware of these kinds of laws in those areas? Are there?
Fwiw, I went to $350 in my first 8 months, and had no problems. I also know girls who charge the same or more, and work even more than I do here. Everyone's obviously different, but the market will bear it, if you can make it worth it.
Posted By: GargamelsDrawers
The risk thing, ok. Well, I tell you this, for a felony, your rates better go up by 20,000% for it to be "worth it". If the risk is truly a probable one. And your economies of scale is way off on the rates for NC. Based on what you said, places like Las Vegas, LA, Miami, NY would have the lowest rates as well. They do not because of the price of staying in those places for providers for one, thus raising the competitive rate scale of other providers in those places. Again, "IQ master", the main reason NC is lower and will stay lower than DC, LA, Las Vegas, Miami, NY is because the cost of travel in those places are much higher and that difference will never change.
I don't care what is going on. You can raise your rates in this state if you want. There is and will always be a threshold here and if you pass it, you will surely learn quickly and be on that red eye. Go ahead, try it out for size.
I'm an escort, not a prostitute. Prove otherwise.
Leo is more interested in drug users and catching dealers which goes hand in hand with traffickers as they typically use drugs to keep the girls they force in check. Among other ways. Watch the movie Human Trafficking and you will understand the reality behind the reason for bills such as this one. Us that choose and are not forced are simply caught in the crossfire.
The ladies that do not screen or keep track of their friends are the ones that will suffer the most.
Since it's now a felony to even call an ad, screening is going to be even more difficult as new friends will be in fear of providing info.
I will not be meeting anyone new unless they have a P411 and Date Check membership as well as solid references.
Most are located overseas where such sites perfectly legal.
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because they are including the crimes against nature charge. So the law may technically say it's still a misdemeanor but the reality is different. How many appointments don't include oral sex? Ummm.....virtually none. I think in all the time that Natasha has existed I've had a total of 2 clients say that they don't like it.
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That has been a possibility all along, as the crimes against nature law has been on the books, along with others from the dark ages, since long before this new law was signed. It speaks more to the current climate and the conservative administration in the state and in many locales. Local DAs determine what charges to bring, after someone is arrested. Hoopla over the newly written law and continued press about trafficking and minors has increased the focus, and thus the risk for all of us. Still, I believe oral sex has to be proven, so it has to be performed or discussed in some way that could be used as evidence, meaning with LE or someone who will agree to be a witness. I believe they can also use your ads and/or website as evidence if mention of your services are included.
§ 14-203. Definition of terms.
The term "prostitution" shall be construed to include the offering or receiving of the body for sexual intercourse for hire, and shall also be construed to include the offering or receiving of the body for indiscriminate sexual intercourse without hire. The term "assignation" shall be construed to include the making of any appointment or engagement for prostitution or any act in furtherance of such appointment or engagement.
The following definitions apply in this Article:
(1) Advance prostitution. - The term includes all of the following:
a. Soliciting for a prostitute by performing any of the following acts when acting as other than a prostitute or a patron of a prostitute:
1. Soliciting another for the purpose of prostitution.
2. Arranging or offering to arrange a meeting of persons for the purpose of prostitution.
3. Directing another to a place knowing the direction is for the purpose of prostitution.
4. Using the Internet, including any social media Web site, to solicit another for the purpose of prostitution.
b. Keeping a place of prostitution by controlling or exercising control over the use of any place that could offer seclusion or shelter for the practice of prostitution and performing any of the following acts when acting as other than a prostitute or a patron of a prostitute:
1. Knowingly granting or permitting the use of the place for the purpose of prostitution.
2. Granting or permitting the use of the place under circumstances from which the person should reasonably know that the place is used or is to be used for purposes of prostitution.
3. Permitting the continued use of the place after becoming aware of facts or circumstances from which the person should know that the place is being used for the purpose of prostitution.
(2) Minor. - Any person who is less than 18 years of age.
(3) Profit from prostitution. - When acting as other than a prostitute, to receive anything of value for personally rendered prostitution services or to receive anything of value from a prostitute, if the thing received is not for lawful consideration and the person knows it was earned in whole or in part from the practice of prostitution.
(4) Prostitute. - A person who engages in prostitution.
(5) Prostitution. - The performance of, offer of, or agreement to perform vaginal intercourse, any sexual act as defined in G.S. 14-27.1, or any sexual contact as defined in G.S. 14-27.1, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification for any money or other consideration.
"§ 14-204. Prostitution and various acts abetting p
Have 2 only that I see that are very careful and under the radar. Not worried, they pulled their advertising weeks ago. Yes it may limit me from looking for new opportunities. But what do I care.... I already found my ATF's and will continue one regardless.
Cheers
So shut down backpage and eros and bigdaddy, whatever. then the same thing moves to dating sites like match.com and everything else. what will you do then? Duh, it's a date, dating site, you guys are retarded. Pushing it to dating sites, really?. That makes it even more convenient...
Cheers
who said anything about pushing the business to dating sites, lol. If you were talking about my message then you misunderstood obviously but that's ok. I was talking about going to dating sites to find your extra fun. Wow. You took that one to the deep end didn't you?!
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the industry will improvise, adapt, and overcome. Did the war on drugs win? No. Did the war on terrorism win? no. Did Hitler exterminate the Jews? No... just a speedbump in the road
Cheers
War on drugs put a lot of people in jail who don't belong there, the war on terrorism has for sure drifted over to american lives illegally and hitler didn't exterminate ALL the jews but he unfortunately, killed WAY too many. Not a good argument dude. I wouldn't associate the Holocaust to a speed bump. Seriously ignorant.
if you are advertising on backpage, or seeing women off of backpage then you are bottom of the barrel. Seriously, quit that shit. I know this will offend a few people, but seriously... advertising on backpage? Might as well walk down the street. Hell, walk over to a Days Inn and knock on doors. You might get lucky. BP is dirt, and dirt clients. If that's the target then oh well.
Cheers
From what I read, the final bill keeps prostitution (as defined) & johns as misdemeanor charges. To me, the most interesting part of the new/old law is a bj is charged as a "crime against nature" which in a felony. WTF
The new part is that now it's a felony charge.
Steph
I'm really sad and am gonna miss you guys here... I hope laws change and this becomes an elite profession
Yep, I cursed- ever since this posted I have said "fuck" several times! There is a harsh new reality coming & if you think because you're an indie, screening thoroughly, or because you avoid Bp that you are safe, you better think again! And yes, I too, have read EVERY word of the ratified bill (more than once). They no longer need to get into your room or get you in theirs, simply advertising is now grounds for arrest.
I find it hilarious how some have the need to trash talk Bp. I use it- that's where I find my purpose best served. Is it more dangerous, of course BUT that's where & when you use your intelligence. It's like panning for gold, shifting through to find the better. Its also matter of economics, Eros over inflated ad rates are ridiculous!
Being charged with a felony (which does seem to be what is happening) is a lot more money. Think bond & attorney fees, regardless if you are convicted of a misdemeanor in the end.
I think a big black cloud is above the carolinas & its going to create A LOT of storms. Its sad because the ladies & gentlemen that one would want to be with are unnerved.
fireflies. Meant to be looked at, then ignored & other business seen to.
I really wish more providers who see those type of politicians who pass these laws, publish some pictures or something equally drastic.
It seems to me that most ads aren't descriptive enough for you gals to get charged with anything. However, some of your websites are very descriptive...those are the ones I would worry about. Just a thought & for full disclosure, I'm not an attorney, just a knucklehead!
I am thinking in the more intense counties (which there are plenty of), the wording off an ad is not going to be of huge significance BUT the implication is what may end up biting the arse. I do think the more graphic ads will get hit as low-lying fruit. The survival of the fittest comes to mind, the weak will not survive
Now look at yuz....being all paranoid and all. Well, forget it! ain't enough room for you all on the bandwagon.
Posted By: hehehahalaladada
It just became illegal to advertise in NC. Leo can also trace phones, so expect email only.
Ladies Leo can also follow you home and arrest you. Get rid of face pictures.
It is now a felony.
The Providers risk has skyrocketed and so will there rates.
I think with careful screening, which I would think most girls here on this site do, would greatly reduce the chances of getting busted. While the law has broadened the boundaries, the question is who is going to be targeted. Pimps, Agencies, & probably BP underage. The idea that the police department is adding more officers to the vice squad because of this law isn't happening. Nor do I think the city attorneys are going to make law a new priority.
Now if your new in this hobby, from either side, well, I think that is going to be a little more difficult. But this law isn't going to stop people from fucking
Lastly, those of you who voted for the republican's running ( or should I say ruining ) this state, well you didn't vote in your best interest now did you ? Guns in bars, Sharia Law banned, silencers for hunting, & the list goes on. Oh, and of course this........
Just my $.02 worth...............
Sparky, out.
Posted By: clarkw.griswold
I think with careful screening, which I would think most girls here on this site do, would greatly reduce the chances of getting busted. While the law has broadened the boundaries, the question is who is going to be targeted. Pimps, Agencies, & probably BP underage. The idea that the police department is adding more officers to the vice squad because of this law isn't happening. Nor do I think the city attorneys are going to make law a new priority.
Now if your new in this hobby, from either side, well, I think that is going to be a little more difficult. But this law isn't going to stop people from fucking
Lastly, those of you who voted for the republican's running ( or should I say ruining ) this state, well you didn't vote in your best interest now did you ? Guns in bars, Sharia Law banned, silencers for hunting, & the list goes on. Oh, and of course this........
Just my $.02 worth...............
Sparky, out.
Well first off silencers are a great idea because they reduce hearing loss, and help people coexist on more pleasant terms. I live in the backwoods & while gun shots don't frighten me, I do dislike them at certain times of the day. This helps with that.
As for guns in bars, I don't drink. But I do like steakhouses that serve booze & before this law passed, I'd have to leave mine in the car while I ate. I dislike this because as long as it's with me, I don't have to worry about it being stolen or needing it & not having it.
But I agree this whole notion of morality has to go.
Gotta admit the state isn't being ran the best. But it was already fucked up by our liberal democrat government. Of course the guy who is involved in this hobby is griping about liberals. I'll admit that's pretty funny. Lets just say I'm a libertarian less government involvement the better. That being said I think you're and my views on gun laws and how to handle the social issue of gun control differ. More restrictive gun laws are not the answer just the same as stricter laws on this lifestyle aren't the answer either.
Let me expand on that last rant.
1. The law as to guns in bars you referred to is actually this a concealed weapons licensee can carry his firearm in establishments that serve alcohol. Providing that they do not consume alcohol. This law only applies to persons with concealed carry permits. If caught consuming alcohol while carrying its not gonna be a good day!
2. As for hunting with a silencer, the provision is that the silencer must be a legal one. The process to obtain a silencer legally one must go through the ATF. So contrary to what the liberal media will tell you, every redneck is not going to be waltzing through the woods with a silence and an AR 1
Posted By: Case321
Let me expand on that last rant.
1. The law as to guns in bars you referred to is actually this a concealed weapons licensee can carry his firearm in establishments that serve alcohol. Providing that they do not consume alcohol. This law only applies to persons with concealed carry permits. If caught consuming alcohol while carrying its not gonna be a good day!
2. As for hunting with a silencer, the provision is that the silencer must be a legal one. The process to obtain a silencer legally one must go through the ATF. So contrary to what the liberal media will tell you, every redneck is not going to be waltzing through the woods with a silence and an AR 15
I work in a gun store & am very familiar with the NFA, 4473 and other assorted technical things.
Your right on both of those parts, only thing I'd really add is that to obtain a real sound suppressor, it usually takes 6 months to a year to do so legally. You can google search NC NFA rules for the exact process but it is very stringent. The funny part is that they aren't even as quiet as the movies make them seem. And for the $1,000 or so it takes to get one it ought to be.
I grew up in Orlando. For the first 20 years of my life, I never once saw a single gun (other than a BB gun). I didn't know anything about them, other than that I thought they were very, very bad. Then at age 20 I moved to West Virginia. In November. Until that day, I could not have told you when hunting season was. Man, I learned fast. My second day there I woke up to the sound of gun shots at 5:00am and it scared the bejesus out of me. Then I drove down the street and saw deer hanging from trees. Then neighbors starting coming over, asking if we wanted any deer meat or jerky. And I saw that literally almost every other house I walked into had prominently displayed gun racks. It's a part of the culture, and a very important way of feeding a great many of the residents there. I lived in WV for almost 8 years, and by the time I left, my views on guns had changed dramatically. So I can forgive this legislature's loosening of the gun laws.
Having said that, they have also cut unemployment, and restricted abortion, and implemented absurdly strict voter ID laws, and a great many other things that seriously piss me off, including giving an 8% raise to the governor's staff right after cutting unemployment. So yea, I too am very anti-NC Republican party right now.
As usual you speak well and fairly Miss Natasha, now I am a registered Republican voter. But my only beef with Clark's post was the gun law issues. At this point I'm pretty much anti government. I agree with ya on the other things you said, cutting unemployment, voter Id laws and their total screw up as far as our budget is concerned are sore spots with me as well. If ya wann hear me gripe about our dingbat legislators lets talk about the way they have screwed up our education system. I feel bad for our kids, we are not leaving them a very good legacy. The politicians get a raise while I have to fund raise at my daughters school so they can have enough paper for the kids, not good!!! But to be fair I honestly believe what ever party is in power the end result is the same.
Since this is the longest thread ever in the history of carolina forums, i wanted to be part of it. Just saying
and believed in 'freedom'.
How many big businesses will relocate here if they can't get lady friends for their executives and out if town colleagues?
Posted By: hehehahalaladada
It just became illegal to advertise in NC. Leo can also trace phones, so expect email only.
Ladies Leo can also follow you home and arrest you. Get rid of face pictures.
It is now a felony.
The Providers risk has skyrocketed and so will there rates.
smoke signals, one per $100 followed by one for date and time- will be tricky
