Boston

Spamming your clients
DoverSole 1811 reads
posted
1 / 19

What is the name of the moron provider, who sent out an email with dozens of personal names and email addresses exposed, putting the personal lives of dozens of people at risk, and then when someone called her on it, she wrote back: "OMG...you're so mean to me..."

Hint: her first name begins with H.

Someone wrote that she should take her mattress and move to another state.  Any other thoughts?

DoverSole 2449 reads
posted
2 / 19

She is not new to the game.  I haven't chosen to call her out, yet.

This, unfortunately, is not an isolated incident.   There is a posting, if you scroll down the bulletin board a little, about a provider (who was, in fact, new to the game) who showed a personal check from one client to another client. The response from posters overwhelmingly was that this was idiotic and horrible judgement, and the person should be called out.  

In this case, this careless provider exposed dozens of names of people, including those who apparently never saw her (not sure how she got their addresses), to dozens of other people.  

I think this is a topic that should be discussed here.  I don't know if I am alone, but when I give my email or phone to someone, I don't expect that it's going to be sent out to others.

By the way, there was another situation recently where apparently more than 100 exposed names and emails were sent out, twice, by the same provider.  I would like to hear from clients and providers about these situations and the problem in general.

DT_lover 188 Reviews 1740 reads
posted
3 / 19

Her mailing list read like the New England Fortune 500.  Universities, banks, utilities and an unusually high representation of railroad employees.

Easy answer: Don't use your e-mail at work.  Make up a name like [email protected]

hungry1951 29 Reviews 2341 reads
posted
4 / 19

is one thing, but you've chosen to "revisit" a specific incident, about a specific person. That, my friend is NOT discussing the topic in general. It's stirring up shit for no plausible reason.

DoverSole 1224 reads
posted
5 / 19

Damn.  The email address [email protected] is already taken.  

By the way, I wasn't suggesting anyone should post this person's "real name."  So far, she hasn't been identified, nor has she the courage to admit here to what she did, even though one of the posts here is clearly from her ("haveafrickinheart")

I would still like to hear a discussion about emails and phone numbers; are we all just a not too careful/not too bright provider away from disaster?  

yourGFEawaits 2112 reads
posted
6 / 19

She is a human being just like the rest of us. She made a mistake...MISTAKE. She didnt do this on purpose and Im sure she feels horrible.
If you are so perfect that you have never fucked up then good for you but unless this lady had a track record for this kind of thing LEAVE HER ALONE! She will deal with this privately and individually

brian45 3201 reads
posted
7 / 19

Once the cat is out of bag it is out of the bag.  An apology is polite but it cannot make up for a ruined marriage or career.  I have seen the lady that this post refers to.  For my own personal safety I cannot risk seeing her again.  Has nothing to do with her as a person.  She is a nice gal.  Attempting to out her like this guy is will accomplish nothing and make the situation worse.  It is about lack of judgment.  Let it go.

I_gotta_rock 1239 reads
posted
8 / 19

She's apologized OVER AND OVER, has taken steps not to make this mistake again. Even in the face of belligerent, threatening emails and psycho behavior, shes remained apologetic and polite.

And Yes she is NEW so you are dead wrong on that too. Be a man accept her heart felt apology. She's not the first one to make this mistake, she wont be the last. As a seasoned hobbyist you should know to use a HOBBY email just in case someone slips up and makes a mistake. You know enough to have multiple accounts, why you don't know that is beyond me.

She's sorry, she screwed up, she owned up to it. What do you want from her? A pound of flesh?

AllyMoore See my TER Reviews 1524 reads
posted
9 / 19

In the past few months, there have in fact, been several providers who unintentionally shared personal & work email addresses of clients in an attempt to notify their clientele of their availability and incentives.

I know because not only have I had mutual clients complain, loudly, to me -
I've received these emails from providers with whom I have shared reference checks as my email address is in their contact book.

As I told a provider yesterday evening who is currently experiencing harassment over her very unfortunate mailing list mistake:

It would seem that there are a collection of newer providers taking their cues from each other.
There are a few older providers who use them as well (and should probably know better); with at least one very popular seasoned provider in recent memory making the mistake of not BCCing her list.

They are, regrettably, being foolish in  my opinion.

Your clients are not your personal fan club who need be updated with unsolicited emails regarding your whereabouts or offerings.

There are single clients and those who have the flexibility interest in being updated.  
If a provider feels that she simply must offer a way of advertising privately via email I suggest an RSS Feed.  
There are multiple applications available  (I have one on my website calendar- those who elect to be notified when my calendar is updated can.  The client interacts with the third party, supplying his [hopefully] web-based email account.  There is no chance for personal error on my part).

Plenty of people email me from their corporate email account.  I also happen to have an innocuous personal, non-AllyMoore.com/[email protected] account specifically for this correspondence.

I know that there are providers who swear by these mass emails but the costs of a mistake are too great.
Consider that the potential for immediate income could compromise your "career" as a whole if you ruffle the feathers or expose the wrong person.

Boston is a very small-world, especially for known business professionals, community leaders and educators.  All clients should have a throw-away email address which does not directly reference their name, occupation (unless only in the most general sense), obscure hobbies or any other identifiers specifically for this purpose. When these accidents happen, aside from mild irritation you should be able to come out clean with the disposal/abandonment of the address.

On another note, though these mistakes are shocking in carelessness and indiscretion, harassment of the providers who commit these errors doesn't solve anything.  
Make your comments with your handle without superficial allusions to who it is; inciting a riot or a witch hunt which could damage other uninvolved providers isn't a responsible way of expressing your grievance.

hungry1951 29 Reviews 1813 reads
posted
10 / 19

Looks like you are replying to my post. If you are, I suggest you re-read it. I'm not the one on the young lady's ass. It's the original poster.

Misplaced posts can stir up shit as well.

Jackjack22 61 Reviews 868 reads
posted
12 / 19

Ally

This is a very thoughtful and appropriate response.  All people make mistakes, some worse than others, but these type of mistakes can have very serious consequences for the addressees and providers should be far more careful when soliciting clients. TER is an excellent venue for that activity and I suggest providers think long and hard before using email to solicit their clients rather than a public invitation on a public forum.

Jack

GoodPoints 1619 reads
posted
13 / 19

Ally: Very well put (in fact, your writing was so thoughtful and coherent that it made me hot...seriously...)  

I too have been getting almost daily emails from some providers, updating me (and their other clients) on their every move, and availabilities, like they are Twittering.  Needless to say, this is not that. So I understand the frustration of those whose identities might have been revealed.  

Camille: I re-read the postings and, tell me if I am wrong, but I don't think anyone is threatening to reveal the name of the provider in question.  I think the original poster was threatening to say which provider it was.  Frankly, I am not sure he shouldn't, but then again, I don't have a horse in this race.  

Personally, I would like to stop getting spammed by providers (if anyone is listening...you know who you are...)

littletonyII 9 Reviews 1068 reads
posted
14 / 19

Ally is SPOT ON!!  Everyone should have a throw away e-mail addresses. For that matter they should also have a throw away phone.
 We have thrashed this over seeral times. God it makes no one look good when these simple things are overlooked.

shudaknownbetter 1173 reads
posted
15 / 19

This accidental message was a serious mistake...  about on par with writing about your boss & clicking SEND ALL!  I'm sure the lady in question realizes what a huge mistake it was.  

But the lesson all TER members should already know it to NEVER use your civie e-mail.  Not even one close to your civie e-mail.  
When I was a greenhorn, newbie...  I used one derived from my civie e-mail...  not long ago, a provider messaged it even though I'd switched everyone to a new non-connected account.  In the meantime, I'd recycled the derived address for notifications from companies I do business with, just to keep them out of my correspondance account.  
Boy was I surprised to find the message "Do you want to see me?"  I hope the person did remove that address like they promised.  

When I started this hobby, I promised myself I'd not do anything stupid...  thanks to TER I know that I was very lucky.  I'm doing everything I can to protect myself...   If someone calls my phone, they'll find my hobby phone shut off.  If someone e-mails me, it'll be a separate account that I'll not access it until I'm alone.
skb

PennyNympho See my TER Reviews 1066 reads
posted
17 / 19

Thank you Ally!
You always say things in a diplomatic and coherent manner!

I know some people do not care for them but I have a yahoo group and I post there, folks who want to join can. Others who do not like joining such things call me and find out what my schedule is like.

I rarely travel or see new friends so I seldom post my availability any other place.  

However I do remember in my first effort at traveling I made a few mistakes and I am thankful to hobbyists and providers who steered me right.

Again Thank you Ally and others like you who just help out and do not ridicule the mistakes of others!
Ciao!
Love, Penny XXXOOO

saruman_9 38 Reviews 1633 reads
posted
18 / 19

who verify and want work numbers, home phones, etc.  Lot of data sloshing around out there.  

Now, I just see my girlfriend!  And jerk off about 5X per day.

GoodPoints 1673 reads
posted
19 / 19

Providers, like the one being discussed here, have a habit of sending long, rambling emails about their availability, personal life, etc. so that it would be clear to a third party reading it what it meant ("I am ready to see you boys and heat up Boston...one hour $350") etc., I just had someone send a verification request to another provider, whom she clearly did not know, that contained all of my personal information (phone number, email, first name, etc.)  There is acceptable risk, which we all take, providers and clients, which can be mitigated by changing your email regularly, having a throwaway phone (something I don't do as it is a pain in the ass...), etc.  But providers who treat their clients as if they are socializing with a bunch of friends from high school need to understand what the stakes are and get more professional.  I am not kidding here, but after reading the post from Ally, whom I have never met but wrote a clear and thoughtful post about this problem, I think she, or someone like her, should offer a one day "boot camp" for new providers, covering such topics as how to handle contact with clients.  Being a provider is not like having a summer job, and there is too much at stake for someone to treat it like it is. That's all I have to say. Goodnight and good luck.

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