I’m convinced that a lot of hobbyists here have a well honed approach to picking up a civvie woman at a bar. I’m also convinced that many guys haven’t a clue about landing a new SO at a bar.
If you’re a provider with an active civvie life, please advise this naive hobbyist on how to improve his civvie pickup score: In your own civvie life, what are the one or two key attributes of a guy’s pickup style that make all the difference to you? And what are the deal breakers? Hobbyists who believe themselves to be successful at ‘the game’ should feel free to chime in and offer tipsIn finding an SO or forming a relationship unless she is a provider.
I love the relationships I have with providers. LOL
Picking up civvie girls in bars requires some degree of conversational skill, decent looks and a bit of luck. Hiring an escort requires that you be willing to give a woman enough information about yourself that she will be willing to let you pay her to have sex with you.
Boston gay I love your postings .. you formulated it EXACTLY
1. equires some degree of conversational skill.. as to looks .. who cares .. women do not care how man look but how he hold himself and treat her ..
man as e say in Europe have to be a bit more handsome then monkey is but please woman all ways she desires . so .. fellow americans you do not have idea how sad and ridiculous look american ales in europe seating alone on company of amle freinds looking around as they do fear something but yet in their eyes.. youc an see this desire ..of have fan and girl; seat next to him as soon as girl will try - he will start complain that here a lot of drinking and a lot of dancing and that he is hardworking hard playin american man with belive in J Christ OMG !!! as you can imagine this way are most American males even not those who are on TER
and on TER here more even LESS social males then others
.. that you come here there is a reasons and this reason not always that you want be dsicret but just you can t convince woman to love you ...
if not your money .. do not know who made you feel that way .. may your american women .. it is not just your fault that you are soooo insecure with no your assets.. with no your house no your money you feel as you are ZERO ....
trust me .. no there is nation in the world in which it is more then in america - out dollar value on human reatinship on relatinihsip between man and women especially .. you are males totally fine .. when your wives admit - I never would notice you should you have no money when we met .. wives have guts to say so ..
if not money you have I never would date you .. how you feel??
a ?? you took it up to your ass poor american man .. and even smiling and making jokes on that .
while any other man just will be unhappy with such statement ..a s .. ah.. Iam not good enough to love me with my my house ??
with no my boat car etc ,. and as result man feel so insecure and as they are zeros ..
of course it is not only comes from women treat of you you are here also not an angels .....I do not care because I not planning to marry in states should he have money or not .. both ways be wrong money make people become horrible ... ..
lost last human traits as .. as think about lover separate from his her bank account and house he she lives in .
Oh sorry .. I changed the subject . so I was trying to tell you that all nation here has to go to therapist to lean normal ways to socialize out ..
not seat and watch sport TV in bars or if go on girl go on her the way she would ran from you hard workers hard players you are. americans ah ah ah a!!
fact is that yes ..
if you see 4- 5 men seatign alone in the bar with no women there - it be fellow americans ..
and you on TER even more ... shy .. it is escalde who posted here tons of posting admitted once - and when I be brave enough to gave her my bussness card and invite to the room ..
but who knows.. your women .. may be they will report you as sexual predator
sad sad sad.. country as to love relationship true values sex ..is SCREWED and I m not here too but I at list can escape time by time to keep check and balnces.. what are your check and balances system on how to stay active adult >> TER ?? DC ?? P 411 ?? coomooonnn ..ha ha pm me who want here more ..
but Boston man I LOVE HOW YOU stated about TER and Dc and ETC
you need give her your personal info so she feel comfortable let you pay her for sex
ca not be nore clear
same with wives I hope I hope they do marry you because they feel good about you and able let you pay for her ... but you know here hookers can be more honest then wives .. seh can see or not to see if she not likes him she would not lay with him anf your wives doing it or not ?? or they are decent women ah ah ah .. O guess they are .. they are decent ... or we be here not busy at all
Kissess sorry for not perfect englis
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That you american males totally afraid women in real life ( who s fault it is yours ?? or females do not know but know that cheerleader can sue a boy saying he pick up under her skirt).. seriously .. fascism in this country on its way .. you people not realize it hard working hard playing afraid to make connection in real life seating alone in bars and restaurants and coming here
to socialize ..
good for americna women !!! now I am also one ..hmm american woman ..a nd ask money to see me
ah ah aha
you do ot have idea how rest the world hook up with pretty women and hot men
and how they have fan
and you know . when European men comes to states I heart and providers soooo glad to get fucked finally not just suck your dicks
FUCKED !!! WELLL .. you know how ??
let me show you may be ??
ah any way I not see any of you .. you are not make my iving who able say
WTF on serious problem
you know - I am not one of you ,and it is my country as well as yours yes Iam a citizen and yes I do have kids and yes I do not want them ended up as you are .. so I making step ..a nd you ?? what you do to make i better ?
at list talk as a human with no F words .
we are all in same boat which is
"USA"
I just can change it some can not -= so it is YOU have to be aware what country you live to YOUIR KIDS
my can be here can be ou
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Bostonguy, I love your postings. You formulated it EXACTLY when you wrote, ‘Picking up civvie girls in bars requires some degree of conversational skill ...’
But as to looks, who cares? Women do not care how a man looks but do care how he holds himself and how well he treats her.
As they say in Europe, a man has to be a bit more handsome then a monkey but, more importantly, has to please a woman in all the ways she desires. You Americans do not have any idea how sad and ridiculous a visiting American male can look in Europe: sitting alone in the company of male friends looking around as if he fears something. But yet in his eyes you can see his desire to have an attentive girl sit next to him. As soon as a girl will try, he will start complaining that in Europe there’s too much drinking and dancing and that he is a hardworking, hard-playing American man who believes in Jesus Christ. OMG!!! As you can imagine this is the way most American males are …
And on TER in the U.S. there are a lot of males who are even-less social than males in general. There’s a reason you come to TER, and it’s not always that you want to be discreet but that you can’t convince a woman to love you.
If it’s not your money, I do not know what else (or who) made you feel that way - maybe your American women. You are soooo insecure worrying about your assets. With no house and no money, you would feel as though you were a ZERO.
Trust me: no nation in the world other than America puts monetary value on human relationships - between men and women especially. You males are totally fine as long as your wives tell you that you are. As for me, I never would notice if you had no money when we met. Some wives have the guts to say, ‘If you hadn’t had money, I would never have dated you.’ How should that make you feel?
You’ve been taking this stuff up to your ass, poor American man - even smiling and making jokes about it. Meanwhile, any other man would simply indicate unhappiness and say to his woman: ‘Am I good enough that you would love me even if I didn’t have this house and didn’t have my boat?’ Without his boat and his car, an American man would feel very insecure and consider himself a zero.
Of course the problem comes not just from your women but from you men, too; you U.S. men are also not angels. But I don’t care because I’m not planning to marry any American man, whether he has money or not. Either way would be wrong. Money makes people become horrible and lose the fundamentally human trait of thinking about one’s lover separately from bank accounts and fancy houses.
Oh, sorry, I changed the subject. I was trying to tell you that everybody in the U.S. has to go to a therapist to learn normal ways of socializing: they need to get cured of sitting and watching TV in sports bars and of hitting on girls in ways that make them run away from you hard-working, hard-playing Americans! Ha ha!
Fact is that in Europe if you see 4 or 5 men sitting alone in a bar with no women there, they will prove to be your fellow Americans. And you on TER are even more shy. It is Escalade, with tons of postings on TER, who admitted once that he was brave enough to give a woman his business card and invite her up to the room. But who knows? Maybe one of your women will report you as a sexual predator. [‘LOL’ assumed. -Ed.]
Sad, sad, sad country. Love relationships, true values and sex are all screwed up. I myself don’t live here, but I at least can escape from time to time to keep my checks-and-balances. How do you keep your checks-and-balances and stay an active adult? TER?? DC?? P411?? Come on! PM me if you want to hear more.
But Bostonman, I LOVE what you wrote about TER and DC, etc. You said you need to give a provider your personal info so she’ll feel comfortable letting you pay her for sex! Could not be any clearer.
Same with wives. I hope your wife married you because she feels good about you and is therefore able to let you pay for her. But here a hooker can be more honest than a wife. She can choose to see the hobbyist or not to see him; if she doesn’t like him, she would not lay with him. Are your wives doing it or not? Or are they decent women, ha ha ha? Oh, I guess they are ‘decent,’ or we [providers] here would not be busy at all.
Kisses. Sorry for my imperfect English.
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Bostonguy, I love your postings. You formulated it EXACTLY when you wrote, ‘[Picking up civvie girls in bars] requires some degree of conversational skill ...’
[But] as to looks, who cares? Women do not care how a man looks but [do care] how he holds himself and [how well he] treats her.
As they say in Europe, a man has to be a bit more handsome then a monkey but [more importantly] has to please a woman in all the ways she desires. You Americans do not have [any] idea how sad and ridiculous a [visiting] American male can look in Europe: sitting alone [in the] company of male friends looking around as [if he] fears something. But yet in his eyes you can see his desire [to] have [an attentive] girl sit next to him. As soon as [a] girl will try, he will start complaining that [in Europe there’s too much] drinking and dancing and that he is a hardworking, hard-playing American man who believes in [Jesus] Christ. OMG!!! As you can imagine this is the way most American males are …
And on TER [in the U.S.] there are [a lot of] males who are even-less social than [males in general]. There’s a reason you come [to TER], and it’s not always that you want to be discreet but that you can’t convince a woman to love you.
If it’s not your money, I do not know what else (or who) made you feel that way - maybe your American women. You are soooo insecure [worrying about] your assets. With no house and no money, you would feel as though you were a ZERO.
Trust me: no nation in the world other than America [puts monetary] value on human relationships - between men and women especially. You males are totally fine [as long as] your wives [tell you that you are]. [As for me,] I never would notice if you had no money when we met. [Some] wives have the guts to say, ‘If you hadn’t had money, I would never have dated you.’ How should that make you feel?
You’ve been taking this stuff up to your ass, poor American man - even smiling and making jokes [about it]. Meanwhile, any other man would [simply indicate unhappiness and say to his woman]: ‘Am I good enough that you would love me even if I didn’t have this house and didn’t have my boat?’ Without his boat and his car, [an American] man would feel very insecure and [consider himself] a zero.
Of course [the problem comes] not just from your women but from you men, too; you [U.S. men] are also not angels. [But] I don’t care because I’m not planning to marry any American man, whether he has money or not. Either way would be wrong. Money makes people become horrible [and lose the fundamentally] human trait of thinking about one’s lover separately from bank accounts and [fancy] houses.
Oh, sorry, I changed the subject. I was trying to tell you that [everybody in the U.S.] has to go to a therapist to learn normal ways of socializing: [they need to get cured] of sitting and watching TV in sports bars and of [hitting on girls] in ways that make them run away from you hard-working, hard-playing Americans! Ha ha!
Fact is that [in Europe] if you see 4 or 5 men sitting alone in a bar with no women there, they will prove to be [your] fellow Americans. And you on TER [are] even more shy. It is Escalade, with tons of postings on TER, who admitted once [that he was] brave enough to give [a woman his] business card and invite [her up] to the room. But who knows? Maybe [one of] your women will report you as [a] sexual predator. [‘LOL’ assumed. -Ed.]
Sad, sad, sad country. Love relationships, true values and sex are all screwed up. I myself don’t live here, but I at least can escape from time to time to keep my checks-and-balances. [How do you keep] your checks-and-balances [and] stay an active adult? TER?? DC?? P411?? Come on! PM me if you want to hear more.
But Bostonman, I LOVE [what you wrote] about TER and DC, etc. You said [you need to give a provider] your personal info so she’ll feel comfortable letting you pay her for sex! Could not be any clearer.
Same with wives. I hope your wife married you because she feels good about you and [is therefore] able to let you pay for her. But here a hooker can be more honest than a wife. She can [choose to see the hobbyist] or not to see him; if she doesn’t like him, she would not lay with him. [Are] your wives doing it or not?? Or are they decent women, ha ha ha? Oh, I guess they are ‘decent,’ or we [providers] here would not be busy at all.
Kisses. Sorry for [my imperfect] English.
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Providers see me I think due to my hand holding skills.
Love Serafima's "Post" more importantly love her passion on a date.
I am shy and have never been to Europe. If I do I certainly know now not
to drink alone. I will try to strut my stuff and hold me head high. LO
what I was trying to say .
Sorry for chaotic and disorganized writing .. it is even not about English ..
it is about how I do think fast and want say all at once - again passion ..
O yes I am passion creature ..
and you know - I do love the fact that with age , and I am now 40 ..I become more calm then I was ..
but still seems so much for many ... .. but it only those who not met me - those say " you are too much I afraid you " but those who met me .. those LOVE me absolutely and I did not harned them in any ways
kissess to all good american men
and please understand me - I posted it from concern about men here ..
Man should not loose his hunting spirit.. it is evolution - the best will survive and you know it is fany .. as female and I did travel a lot and know many different countries customs .. so - everywhere men/man if he like woman - he trying to send her signals one way or other ... sometime it is funny -
but male is trying !!! it is .. quite as min .. adn woman will notice him .. that way he got his fan he seed his sperm.. he is living .. having fan etc ..
. but not in states .. why ?? here you need make a contract first and ask her - your wife - honey it is ok I now to .. you know.. f : k you ..
I know in CO it is illegal to wake up person in middle of night .. how true it is is that your wife can sue you that you disturb her sleep ?? may be it is not a truth .. but seems everybody follows this rule
signal her - I LIKE YOU !!
do not be shy ..
help her too .. she is also wants yo
You did not strike me as you are shy man .. yes you are pretty easy to please and for an hour twice .. s and can I get away secreets?
You are very good looking man .. women will go with you just for look if not talk about cock.. what you are shy about ?? can t get it ..
LOVE YOURSELF
I admire your help and fixing .. you read it all as I felt anf wanted to write
Thank you again
It means a lot to me to be understood
I even do not know what it is with me in states ..- language barrier or cultural and educational and you are living prove that intelligent men always would read o to me correct ways
Thank you for making it easier for others to read .. when I get passion and want get my points across I may make mistakes and speaking my native Russian .. it is about mind set up and peace of mind abiliites to proofread not hurry and have cold mind but hot heart
My love to you
thanks