Hmmm, I have been in the hobby since the early 90's and quite frankly, I don't know who you have been seeing (or do I care)
but back in those days the NORM definitely was that the envelope was placed (NEVER handed) either on the dresser (incall) and you would ask to use the bathroom to give the lady the time to do what she wanted with the envelope or you would leave the envelope in the bathroom (outcall) since when the lady arrived she would usually want to use the bathroom (to collect the envelope, make a call to her safety net - which most of them had - and to freshen up).
IF you had seen the lady before and she was familiar with you then the protocol procedure MIGHT be waived and you could simply fold the $'s and put them in her handbag or wherever.
I really think your "facts" concerning the "back then" are either a tad a figment of your imagination or you were dealing with Phoenix gals.
Something downthread got me thinking about this. In my years hobbying, I have never paid at the beginning of a session, unless asked to, and in 90%+ of cases, this has been (or at least seemed to be) completely fine. When I first started hobbying, maybe 10 years ago, up front payment was absolutely not the norm, and the girls' websites didn't all say "at the start of our date leave the envelope on the dresser . . ." or the like. Back then, the conventional wisdom was for a client NOT to pay till the end, to avoid being ripped off. I guess as a result, I got in the habit of paying at the end, and it really doesn't occur to me to pay up front.
I have great refs and a TER presence, so maybe girls are confident I will pay them and don't sweat it? Am I inadvertently being a passive-aggresive dick when I see a new girl, because she doesn't know if I am going to stiff her in the end? Just curious what other folks' experiences have been on this front.
Newted, I have to disagree. I've been around since 2001 and never have I had to wait for compensation. If I have to ask...well, let's just say that wouldn't be smart on his part...ha!
I'm thankful for the power of recent technology because a good percentage of Gentlemen pay in full, days in advance. Gentlemen whom I've never met at all!
Now that's what I like to call a true BFE!
Morgan XoX
Unles it is someone I have seen a number of times and have already established a protocol, I pay at the beginning because that is what the ladies request. Why put them in the uncomfortable position of having to think about it during the session?
i disagree as well ive been in and out of the hobby for long enough and used to drive for some providers prob 12 years ago .and it has always been leave donation at the start it is only fair to the provider as well as you . do you want her focus to be on whether or not she will get stiffed. dont think so and many of these wonderful women have enough reviews so you can do your homework before you set up appt.so that way for your theory of if she was worth the donation should not be an issue.i once forgot to leave it in the beginning with someone i had seen many times but when i checked my pockets on the way out to make sure i had everything realized i forgot so gave it to her no prob. on her end but i was embarrassed . just my opinion.....
I have been hobbying regularly for about 12 years. I ALWAYS start the session by leaving an envelope with full payment in clear view, usually on a dresser or bedside table. Most providers, whether indy or agency, set up this expectation ahead of time, often in the FAQ or etiquette section of their website. It just seems more appropriate to get the business part of the transaction out of the way at the outset, and not leave a lady in the uncomfortable situation of having to ask for the donation in the event that it slips my mind.
Hope this information helps.
DJ
I totally agree with Loucaptain
Some of my very favorite clients pay upfront every time. It would be my ideal situation that everyone did this, but it's not the case. The majority of my clients leave donation after the session. It's a tough situation when a client doesn't leave donation at the start of session. Despite screening and reviews, we providers are never 100 percent sure that we are safe in asking for donation when first meeting a new client. I personally would rather be stiffed than in trouble with the law. There have been times when I've asked a new client to leave because he has not responded to my hints that donation should come before session. Going by my gut has been my unscientific way of deciding when to accept payment at the end of the session. I've had good luck with it so far, but I think generally clients willing to provide screening information are clients who are looking to treat a provider with respect.
Leaving donation at the start of the session, as others has advised, is greatly appreciated.
Thanks to everyone who responded. You learn something new every day and I will definitely make the switch!
Hmmm, I have been in the hobby since the early 90's and quite frankly, I don't know who you have been seeing (or do I care)
but back in those days the NORM definitely was that the envelope was placed (NEVER handed) either on the dresser (incall) and you would ask to use the bathroom to give the lady the time to do what she wanted with the envelope or you would leave the envelope in the bathroom (outcall) since when the lady arrived she would usually want to use the bathroom (to collect the envelope, make a call to her safety net - which most of them had - and to freshen up).
IF you had seen the lady before and she was familiar with you then the protocol procedure MIGHT be waived and you could simply fold the $'s and put them in her handbag or wherever.
I really think your "facts" concerning the "back then" are either a tad a figment of your imagination or you were dealing with Phoenix gals.
Upfront with new friends. I want their full attention and trust without lingering concerns over being ripped off. I've found it amusing when the unopened envelop is flung across the room-makes a statement. With someone I know well, it varies. On meeting, the attraction can be intense and both were dazed in the moment. I floated away on a cloud of oblivion and I had to make other arrangements to get things right.
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