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Re: HELP
kz1 30 Reviews 2370 reads
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1 / 63


hmmm,i guess i'll begin by saying that over a year ago i did not show up for an appointment that i called and said i was not showing for.now i see my name blacklisted on a site next to a guy that apparently beats and rapes people when he shows up for his.so, next to my white pages home phone number listing is also a link with my name next to a guy who beats and rapes providers.I would like some help here,folks as to how to get my name off of this site.Recently , I noticed how upset you all were because someone linked an article to someone's real name or something to that effect.......How do you feel about this?This is the only board I read,I do not have vip status right now,so a pm won't work unless i really have to.I will say that I saw a number of blacklisted people on the site that had their TER handle next to their real names also and it seemed that there was well over a years worth of names......I assume that the hobbyist that knows of the said website would know best on how for me to proceed.If I was to link you to it,you might see my real name near the guy who beats and rapes,so I don't want to.The girl is a visitor, not a local,if that helps.And I always do outcall,this was going to be the first time in years I was going to go out and do this..........please help

dvnyc 2684 reads
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2 / 63

I initially deleted and did not approve your post because I couldn't figure out what you were asking. After reading it several times, I think I've got it.

1. You cancelled an appt
2. SP blackballed you b/c she claims you didn't
3. Now your name is next to another hobbyist that beats and rapes SPs
4. You noticed other TER members on the list
5. There's personal info of hobbyists on a public site

You want to know how to handle removing yourself from the blackball list?

Does this sum it up?

kz1 30 Reviews 2386 reads
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3 / 63

she blackballed me because she was pissed.I did call her ,we spoke that night.There are real names next to TER handles on this list.I definitely want to know how to get my name off of the site.I searched thru yahoo and there was nothing and for the hell of it i searched thru google and this was right there.Really just searching my name for the hell of it , as I do once in a while.In Block letters is my name but of course there are a couple more names but all I can see is my name in Block letters and info on someone else who beats and rapes.It is a blacklist site all about this industry not others.I have been in contact with her over the past 24 hours and am waiting for an answer , she did get back to me but 'couldn't remember me or the incident'.......apparently it has had my info online for over a year......and thank you for re reading my post...      :( But the big thing here is getting my name off of this site..........That sums it up.........please help

-- Modified on 11/6/2009 3:54:17 PM

dvnyc 1823 reads
posted
6 / 63

such as the site you are referring to as well as the SP.

Not much we can suggest or help with other than in the abstract.

Best of luck...

Bostonguy57 48 Reviews 1355 reads
posted
7 / 63

Sometimes a cancellation is enough to get you on a Black list.  How much notice did you give? How many hours where booked? What was your reason? The answers to any or all of these questions could explain why the lady in question chose to blacklist you.

Frankly I don't see what the big deal is. Aside from possible future problems getting P4P sex you are on a list that is only used by people involved in an illegal activity.  Your name on the list does you no harm outside of our own little world here.

I don't see how anyone here can help you. I wish you good luck solving this dilemma but I think you are screwed...and not in a good way...

Brthtkngbrooke 1808 reads
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8 / 63

I cant believe you all figured that out.

My heart raced reading it. . . I want some of what you're on dude! It would help me get through my work outs!

Good luck to you. The good news is that not everyone uses or checks those *not good nor bad* and every provider has different screening policies.

Having your real info anywhere is never good although sometimes it is truely best to trust your information in the right hands and not just to any chick that visually does it for you. Unfortunately we all take a different set of risks in this business. . This is just one of them.

Good luck to you and this situation.
Brooke

-- Modified on 11/6/2009 7:18:10 PM

AllyMoore See my TER Reviews 2063 reads
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9 / 63

I recently met someone who was DNSed for a non-criminal "offense" on a public website.

I nearly didn't accept his appointment because of the entry but he was so sweet and compliant during vigorous screening that I realized that the combination of his outcall location and my experience would neutralize most dangers.

He was the consummate gentleman and someone that I would highly recommend, and I tend to be reserved in my recommendations with newer guests.

Now I realize that some clients exhibit behaviors with some providers that they would never with others- but I would bet my last dollar that he was the victim of a "drive-by" from a vindictive provider.

If I were to Google this client's full name, his entry on the public National Blacklist would come up directly under his professional website, profile and family Facebook.

This, in my opinion, is reprehensible and troubling.

I read the original poster's complaint and his follow-up; I still haven't been able to discern which website he is referring to.

If he is referring to the National Blacklist, I'm afraid that I can't take a "that's the breaks" attitude.  
I find the National Blacklist grossly offensive; its a caricature of private, developed escort safety networks and the virtual Wild Wild West of this business.
If he is listed there, anyone who Google's his name (his spouse, children, future employers) are all privy to his activities.
Worst of all- you can never have an entry deleted or modified on the National Blacklist, unlike private networks where our comments may be updated, edited or removed.  I don't even know what entity controls that website.  Its shady, dangerous and irresponsible.

If the National Blacklist were devoted to publishing criminal DNS entries (physical abuse, theft, threats, stalking) I would *nearly* be okay with their public system.  
But non-criminal offenses like cancellations?  Inappropriate.  

That's what providers have private networks for. A provider may share her grievance in its entirety without compromising the client or destroying his privacy and quality of life.  The next provider may consider the gravity of an allegation, its source, make a comprehensive assessment and decide whether or not she is willing to entertain correspondence or accept a meeting with the client.

Some things should remain behind "the veil" in this business- and complaints about interaction with clients who have not physically harmed or threatened a provider are amongst those things.
Being irritating isn't cause for humiliation.

Some providers need remember that discretion is our business and afforded to everyone who contacts us, even those whom we do not like or we feel have wronged us (within reason obviously.  I make large distinctions between criminal and non-criminal behavior).

Where providers place their DNS entries is as important as the information itself.  I have placed three DNS entries on the ladies board here (including a robbery/assault, a client who brought a 6-inch kitchen knife to our meeting and someone who I viewed as having questionable behavior).  Unfortunately two complaints were relayed to the clients AND placed on the National Blacklist site by other providers despite the fact that I would never choose to intentionally support that website or its practices.  I now choose to rely on a network that's more restricted than the provider board here for discretion and safety.

To the original poster, if your account here is honest, I do empathize and I do hope that you can find a resolution.

kz1 30 Reviews 2017 reads
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10 / 63

It is National Blacklist.It IS an industry only website,meaning that ,no, it is not only us that can see or search names.If there was an issue , i can see maybe a first name and any complaint , but this is stupid.Thank you ally,for being the brightest person on here about this.There are no bad occupational reviews as far as real life is concerned,only provider and client.

kz1 30 Reviews 2046 reads
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11 / 63

The site is national blacklist and the provider is well reviewed here.Her name is J from Colorado.Would you like my name also ,moderator?I have an idea,why don't you take down her 20 pages of reviews until she rectifies the problem.If you don't like the fact that i just named her , don't print this.

CarnalCourtesan See my TER Reviews 1448 reads
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12 / 63

I know of 2 gentlemen on that list that I met prior to them being Blacklisted, and they are great guys.

The National Black List needs to have a contact address so that anyone allegedly "abused" by their system can contact the webmaster.

I am all about privacy, and I am beyond angry about the National Black Lists public posting of client's names.  

Sorry, but some of the ladies out here (I sense more the heavy touring types)are all about the $$, and get easily pissed if their tour doesn't pan out big time $$.  Well, a Doc who gets tied up at the hospital and tries calling later, only to not get through to a full voice mail doesn't deserve to be placed on an Internet site that black lists him.  The other fellow I know works in a public capacity in a large city.  The provider got a bad vibe and thought he was LE, and listed all his personal info on NBL.  I'd like to personally Bitch Slap both of these ladies.  And you wonder why guys don't want to provide personal information to ladies for their safety.  No woman should be tracking information, let alone entering it in a blacklist database without good reason.  

There should be criteria listed (just as there are posting rules on TER).  National Black List is a cluster f--k free for all.

Imagine being a family man or professional and having someone Google your name and it shows up on the NBL.  I value my privacy and the privacy of anyone I have been fortunate enough to meet.  Even those I choose not to see deserve privacy.

The NBL is bad, bad, bad.

Kate

not_in_my_neighborhood 2019 reads
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13 / 63

That Blacklist Board is a disaster waiting to happen...in fact is it a series of disasters already happening.

It took me about 15 seconds to see that board is a trashy place full of trashy comments.  A vindictive home for vindictive people.

Men who are outed for NCNS, might just out the provider online somewhere else.  That Blacklist board gives me the creeps.  Stay away!!

sparkyusa 10 Reviews 955 reads
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14 / 63

What we should be talking about how nice it is today and a great day for a motorcycle ride.Take a deep breath start that bike and check the wonderful scenery newengland brings us this time of year and dont forget 7 weeks till christmas.Peace all.

waterslide 2590 reads
posted
15 / 63

Kate (CarnalCourt.) is 100% correct !
Nice to see a person that will stand up for what is right !

AllyMoore See my TER Reviews 1324 reads
posted
16 / 63

I only posted my thoughts on public DNS lists, which I do not support.
You chose to bring forth a complicated, personal situation at which point I felt obligated to defend myself and my business practices by being transparent and describing the events as they happened.

I don't care about winning - I care about honest about my intent and practices.

My "2 Hour/$700 wager" in my last response to you was to demonstrate exactly how gravely I view this situation and exactly how honest I am being here.

If I had any inclination as tho who was harvesting information from the Provider Only board here I would report them immediately so that they would be removed.  If I had any reproach to the website's policy I would actively petition on your behalf to have your information removed.  I will likely review the website again this afternoon and attempt to do so.

Obviously there are providers who enjoy providing their service to you.  A DNS entry is not intended to be the Word of God to the next provider- I ignore most that indicate a conflict of personality or miscommunication as do many providers.

As far as my peers go- I'm not in the least bit interested in what another provider says about me in session.  
That gossip reflects more upon her/them and how they conduct their business than it does upon me.  
The fact that I hand out dozens of reference requests monthly and meet providers visiting the area nearly weekly I would say that my safety and information network is stable.
You can be certain though that I'm never concerned enough with your provider friends that they ever come up conversationally in my sessions- I'm too busy doing my job.

The outcome of sharing a private blip is regrettable but I do not accept responsibility for it.  However, from this I will continue to meliorate my practices regarding information exchange with other providers and obviously I have completely abandoned providing sensitive information on the compromised ladies board here.

CindyGold See my TER Reviews 974 reads
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17 / 63

.. all of her reviews UNLESS she removes a listing from a site that, if it's the National Blacklist, does not ALLOW individuals to remove listings themselves... FURTHERMORE, are you even 100% sure that *SHE* was the person who listed you to begin with...?? Because it could have just been some other random girl who read a post she made...

Think about what you're saying here! We use these lists to prevent ourselves from being assaulted, robbed, arrested, and killed... But we ALSO use them to prevent inconsiderate men from behaving in a way that is finacially DEVESTATING to us... Time wasters and NCNS can cost you THOUSANDS of dollars in a week if you are working a lot... Would YOU tollerate someone sabatozing YOUR business and costing YOU thousands of dollars just because they were inconsiderate little so-and-so's...??

Jeeze louise.

**Disclaimer: I'm talking about the function of blacklists in general, not necessarily YOU, kz1's behavior in particular..**

johngaltnh 6 Reviews 1206 reads
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19 / 63

The first was aired by the original poster. The second was revealed by Ally Moore. BOTH represent sincere abuses of the National Blacklist.

Our little hobby needs to be self-policing; and ONE aspect of self-policing means acting in a responsible and fair-minded fashion.

Let me be clear. Blacklists should be used for one purpose and one purpose only: to keep escorts safe from FELONIOUS behavior. Thefts, threats, stalking, physical harm and the like.

A blacklist should NEVER be used for breaches of decorum, NCNS, and the like. Used in this fashion, eventually practically every hobbyist winds up on the list -- and it is rendered useless for its intended purpose.

And, I have to say, the situation that Ally described is really unconscionable. If a provider has witnessed a felonious act personally and has actively decided to share that information but NOT to put it on a national blacklist; it is an unbelievable breach of every aspect of a provider's ethics to take the initiative and list the person based, at that point, on second hand information.

Ally has described very good reasons for not using that list -- including the fact that it publicly reveals personally identifiable information about a hobbyist, including the fact he is a hobbyist *that would otherwise be unavailable publicly from any other source* that could cost him his job, his marriage, and more. Because of this, it should be reserved for matters of SAFETY -- and that's all.

Think, for a moment, before listing someone, if the matter at hand is SO horrible that the person deserves to lose a job paying $250k, lose $1M in a divorce settlement, etc etc.

Yet, too many escorts do NOT think. They are so self-obsessed in their own little worlds that, for a NCNS, they would blithely flush someone's life down the toilet.

THIS is the real issue for the original poster. Nowadays, smart providers don't take the National Blacklist as a definitive source anyway. They aren't going to deprive themselves of a good client because of a single no-show.

But now, anyone who pays the fee on that site -- an employer, an SO, etc. -- can find his full personally identifiable information. And he wants that information OFF -- and it should be OFF, pronto. In a just world, any damage coming to him as a result of that bogus listing would be paid by the provider who listed him. Maybe SHE would like to pick up the tab for his kids' college?

And that issue is multiplied further when done, not by the provider herself, but by people coming along and taking it upon themselves to list someone on the basis of *hearsay* -- albeit hearsay from a woman I trust.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

In the long run, such outrageous abuses of blacklists by gossip-mongers, third-hand reporters, and self-indulgent women who think a NCNS is worth seriously harming someone ... make providers LESS SAFE because the list becomes unreliable.

And, as a couple of providers have revealed -- they don't take that list as definitive either.

And it isn't because of hobbyists that it isn't definitive. It is because of escorts who are looking at the trees and won't back up and see the forest.

This is tragic. One of the things that has affected me most in dealing with the hobby was personally meeting women -- fine and decent women -- who had been physically abused and verbally degraded by clients; in one case immediately before our meeting. My impulse (impulse, NOT intention!) is to choke the life out of men who do that.

And, the risk to good and decent women is only *increased* when a provider fails to THINK before mis-using those lists.

Kz1 and Ally -- thank you for bringing this VERY important issue to public notice!

Oh ... and please ... let's discuss this as an ISSUE and at least TRY not to make it personal.

johngaltnh 6 Reviews 1485 reads
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20 / 63

... why it should ONLY be used for very very serious things. Serious meaning felonious.

Can you imagine if hobbyists decided to create a site that anyone -- including law enforcement -- could get access to with just a credit card ...

And then started listing that sort of information on the site as a result of NCNS and the like?

Well, for one thing, there wouldn't be a hobby anymore.

johngaltnh 6 Reviews 1511 reads
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johngaltnh 6 Reviews 1753 reads
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23 / 63

... consider that any escort who lists a hobbyist on that site, puts it in a place where anyone with a credit card -- employer, SO, etc -- can get that info. It can cost a man his career, marriage and more.

In order for justice to be served, I think escorts should consider just how much risk they are putting a man in when they list him on such a board.

Whether it is overkill or not to persuade her to remove such a listing -- especially when put there for a freaking NCNS -- through removal of reviews etc. -- I won't comment.

If the shoe were on the other foot, and YOU were sitting right there on that board next to an abuser -- with your full real name, address, telephone number and all -- where any cop with a credit card could dial you right up -- what would you want done to get your name off? Especially if it was a simple NCNS and you hadn't actually hurt anyone?

CindyGold See my TER Reviews 1248 reads
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24 / 63

... are for PUBLIC lists.. The OP declined initially to mention WHERE he was listed. Now that he has named the NB, it seems that there is a general consensus that that site has some SERIOUS managment issues. However, because they are a for-profit venture, it remains unclear what options he has, if any.

johngaltnh 6 Reviews 1254 reads
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johngaltnh 6 Reviews 1093 reads
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... how is a hobbyist to know if he is even on one -- justly or no? Can listings be removed from them? Is there recourse if a person feels a listing is unjustified, etc?

Other than those questions, BTW, I think you are making good sense -- which, as you know, I don't find shocking. LOL

CindyGold See my TER Reviews 2165 reads
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28 / 63

It would be cool if he took the 20 or 30 seconds to just call or text... but let' say he didn't. Let's say he turned his phone off and let her calls go to voicemail. A few weeks later, when he was wanting to see another girl, he turns his phone back on hears the upset voicemails from the girl he stood up.. Couldn't he THEN just sent a quick text, email, call, WHATEVER and just say "HEY, my mom had a heart attack and I rushed to the hospital. I paniced and turned my phone off. I just wanted you to know that I didn't stand you up to be malicious. Take care." WE ARE ALL HUMAN. Things happen.

What you may not realize John, is that there are a large amount of men who scedule appointments that they have NO INTENTION of keeping. They double book- full knowing that they only intend to see ONE of the two girls.. They scedule just "in case" their meeting gets out early... and don't bother to mention this to you. They then don't even send a text message when the meeting in fact runs over. They expect you to be ready at the drop of hat and then get pissy and leave if you take 15 extra minutes to shower and dress.  And on and on and ON...

Most guys that do things like this ARE NOT someone who TRUELY had some kind of unforseen emergency or sceduling conflict. As I said, we are all human. If someone calls up, sounds genuine, appologizes and cancels- hey you're disappointed, but it's not the end of the world. *I* list guys on private lists for things like this when they seem like SERIAL offenders... If a girl holds a time slot for a guy that only shows up to 50% of his sceduled appointments, should she not be able to know what her odds are..?? If she has no other prospects maybe she will take the gamble anyways.. Who can say..

The bottomline- all lists opperate differently when it comes to putting people on AND taking them off. Many girls don't use them and those that do will judge for THEMSELVES whether they think the "risk" associated with any one guy is worth it.. As far as "recourse".. being a NICE FREAKING PERSON and treating others as you would want to be treated seems to be the best order of business for ladies and gentlemen alike.. As they say- the truth will prevail.

Gosh, that was long winded.

SinsOfTheFlesh See my TER Reviews 1213 reads
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29 / 63

All I'm going to say is that LIES are very ugly. Outing a girl and then lying about her is ugly.

You NCNS'd her. The national blacklist is trash because its public. Its pointless because all a guy has to do is change his number, change his information if he finds out his name is listed there.

But you damned well deserved to be listed as a DNS after NCNS'ing a girl. You cost her money. Now you pay the price.

sparkyusa 10 Reviews 2373 reads
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30 / 63

reading these post brought some great views on both sides.The more i read the more i realize a guy can blacklisted for any reason and seems to be very easy to do.I think being BL for a no show is a little over the top.To be BL with full identity is even more over the top for such a small issue as a no show.I always thought the ladies always communicated this info among themselves and not in the public eye.i can understand if a provider felt threatened and had a legit issue and felt a warning is warranted then i do understand.The men need to feel safe and their info also safe.I would say on a final note after what happened this past april in Boston the ladies do have to protect themselves.

sweetnicole1 See my TER Reviews 2040 reads
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31 / 63

personally I don't know YOU from a hole in the wall and if J blacklisted you...I tend to think she had a reason. J has a good rep as far as i can see and would tend to believe her.  You...not sure.  Most ppl blacklisted would swear they were being treated unfairly. Of course you were different, just like they all are.
I had a client I use to see stopped seeing him, he was difficult. Now I never blacklisted him just wouldn't see him again. I have seen his name on a blacklist. No he's not dangerous, although he is a pain in the ass and tends to try and over step boundries.
Look...we get reviewed, sometimes the reviewer is an asshole and will write a nasty review even if it isn't all correct we have to just suck it up and move on. So do you.
Secondly, this site TER has nothing to do with that blacklist site they are seperate, so why should or would TER take down her reviews to help you out.
Like I said I don't know you, and if you are accused of something that wasn't true, that's a shame but it's like reviews, its all perception.

sweetnicole1 See my TER Reviews 1259 reads
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33 / 63

I agree any poor behavior should be shared to prevent it from happening.
NCNS dangerous clients violent clients all needs to be shared.
How do we know if there are lies about you as you claim. OR if you are telling fibs right now. I don't mean you but anyone.
Like I said we all get reviewed and we have to just deal with the end result. So do you. No different.
Don't want to be blacklisted...behave yourself is all.
I agree its a true shame some men are blacklisted when not needed but many are not.

kz1 30 Reviews 2394 reads
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34 / 63

It was not poor behavior.I called her.This is not needed

kz1 30 Reviews 1281 reads
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35 / 63

I called,I did call.I emailed .She was pissed.Even more now ,Goldy since you emailed her.How dare I do that!!This SP works from her house as do I.I could scam my way to it.Get her info and post it , too.But I wouldn't.SHe says she has another high profile job,how would any body like knowing what she does at said job.This is ridiculous,folks.There is not one bad instance in my hobbying time and if there was you would know it.ANd the one who mentioned vindictive is right on the money.And I didn't OUT HER this moderator did.A true moderator would never have let her name fly.........!

-- Modified on 11/7/2009 4:43:03 PM

kz1 30 Reviews 1113 reads
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Bob Crane 72 Reviews 1786 reads
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37 / 63

All he has to do is change his information? Like his name? Yeah, that's easy. The good thing is, girls are so desperate for money, these DNS lists don't mean a thing and the girls in the business hate each other so much they never share information. All these DNS threats don't amount to much, so nobody needs to worry too much.

johngaltnh 6 Reviews 2062 reads
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Your position, as far as I am understanding it -- and please correct me if I am wrong -- is that a hobbyist SHOULD be DNSd for NCNS because he cost her money.

I am not sure this is wise. Let me give you my reasoning.

Joe has had 90 successful appointments with providers and put $27,000 into the provider economy in the past 18 months.

On his 91st appointment, he pulls a NCNS. You have no idea why -- and HE doesn't call afterwards because he's embarrassed. SO, because he cost you $300, you DNS him.

That, to me, is penny wise and pound foolish. You WANT the $27k from his next 90 visits in the provider economy. Because even if you don't personally collect it, his demand will indirectly keep your own prices higher.

So, as vengeance for missing $300; you hurt other providers to the tune of $27k. It's not like he's going to hurt somebody.

I don't think that makes sense.

The guy is likely not really harmed. He just puts that money into stocks and he turns it into an additional $13k over the next 6 months. Of course, no providers will be getting THAT money either. WHO is being harmed here? Not the guy.

Furthermore, you aren't keeping him from getting laid either. He just goes to the NSA section on Backpage and find a pretty girl who will do him for $400/week.

I DO realize that some guys are chronic about NCNS, and that's a different issue. Cindy has educated me on this, and I find those practices (such as double booking) to be in really poor taste. That's just NOT the way to treat a woman you'll be having sex with.

I believe that decisions of this nature should generally take a long-range and wider view than just seeking retribution in a very narrow manner.

Also, frankly, I believe there is a very real qualitative difference between, say, doing an NCNS and stabbing someone. Yes?

As business women, there is business risk. NO legitimate business tries to destroy the very ability of their clients to be clients at all over a canceled order. Doing business that way, in the long run, makes an industry sector less viable.

There are certainly ways of minimizing the risk; but removing client money entirely from the pool should only be done, IMO, in the case of clients who pose an ACTUAL risk to the life and health of providers.

That's just my thought on the matter.

Of course, I'm not a provider, and I've never done either NCNS or stabbing; so I can understand if you might have a different perspective.

SinsOfTheFlesh See my TER Reviews 1170 reads
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40 / 63

After 3 years of escorting:

ONE rip off experience

ONE experience where the guy intentionally hurt me

ONE experience where the guy was so creepy he seriously scared me

More NCNS's than I can possibly count. An average of at least one EVERY SINGLE WEEK. That is money I need to pay the rent. I take only one appointment in the afternoon, and only one appointment in the evening. So when some assmunch double books, or stubs his toe, or cuts his wittle self shaving, and subsequently does not show up and does not have the courtesy to call me, it costs me half a day's income.

So when I get NCNS'd you bet your ass I'm going to block him. Then I will politely e-mail his references and advise them that he did not show or call. Then, YES, I will enter his information as a DNS. Not on the national blacklist though. That site sucks.

Now, I realize that sometimes life just lands on you with both feet. Some dork talking on his cell phone fails to notice you are in the lane he's trying to merge with. You get a call that your child was just rushed to the hospital as you are driving to meet your paramour. Things happen. So before I do all of the above, I will send him an e-mail. I will be reasonably but not entirely polite. If he responds, we can go from there and try to work it out. If he doesn't, he's scum and deserves to troll the bottom looking for a date from now on.

PS. Other women can still see the schmuck. I just believe that they deserve a heads up in advance that the guy might flake on them. That is just being fair.

johngaltnh 6 Reviews 1648 reads
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41 / 63

As long as you try to contact him later and work it out -- so that very real reasons for an NCNS don't deprive you (or others) of an otherwise decent client -- everything you are saying makes sense.

So we're on the same page. And, as I mentioned, Cindy has educated me and I am really astonished at just how pervasive this sort of disrespectful behavior is.

dvnyc 1953 reads
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We got the facts or representation of the facts. there was a NCNS and there might have been a call to the SP.

KZ1 is there a need to throw the Mod under the bus? This is an issue b/w YOU and the SP. I didn't approve the post to tell the world who posted you on the Blacklist. I simply approved a post to provide a venue for discussion.

I see now this was a mistake.  so in the future, do i delete and not approve posts that could possibly be controversial?

Seriously people, this happens more often than we care to admit. In fact, I can't tell you how many times I'm running around and notice that I am 5-10 mins late. Please  make every effort to be ontime.

Let's be courteous and respectful to one another.

Please email me with concern.

kz1 30 Reviews 1313 reads
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John,You are a fake.Goldy,You are an idiot and Sins of the Flesh---If I cut myself shaving while getting ready for our date and didn't feel comfortable showing up with a nik on my dick would you still wrap your lips around it?.I basically had you from your first post about this.She  did out me.Maybe she had a friend do it ,hmmm,like you?Absolutely.Positively.I would like to hear from all of your DNS's .They should all check their name on NationalBlacklist and see what I'm talking about.And DVNCY you did make the mistake of outing her.I'm glad you admitted it.Bob Crane,thank you.If I see my info anywhere else I think I'll know where it originated from,however the channels it goes thru.I thinks its 99.5 to .5 on this topic.Stay in Kansas, with the other cattle.

-- Modified on 11/8/2009 4:59:45 AM

kz1 30 Reviews 1957 reads
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We have been courteous and respectful.I knew you'd fold with the enough already statement.Just like you did on the post about the provider getting outed last month.Do you delete posts?Why don't you read your guidelines?YOU be on time , your the mod.

CarnalCourtesan See my TER Reviews 1380 reads
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I have given out AT LEAST 4 friendly references this week.

Sure, women get into it, but so do you guys.
The only reason you guys stick together is for dirty details and to not get ripped off.(totally selfish reasons)  We stick together for safety and to support one another.

Due to human nature, there will always be folks of both sexes who are nasty business people and all about themselves.  This includes people in and out of the hobby world.

I wasn't going to respond because I think this post has gone a bit far, but for the sake of my sisters I had to comment.  

We don't all hate each other, and we all share information on a daily basis.  You are totally missing the point on the DNS list but I'm not going to tune you in as directing you to a public link will keep this post alive forever.

I just wanted to say I find your reference to us all being desperate and miserable to each other is very untrue.  And the majority of us that participate on TER (I cannot speak for CL ladies, that is another arena) would NEVER sacrifice our safety for a few bucks.  Our safety, health and securing our personal life is much more important than the hourly rate we receive.  You can't place a dollar amount on that.  Those of us who have been around a while earn every cent.  If you are not a decent person and good at your trade you don't last out here.  There are many kind and decent ladies out here who have real jobs, are PTA Moms, Soccer Moms, and good people in their community.  We are not diseased druggies who would throw another sister under the bus for a fix.

So Bob, rethink what you said because it's total bullshit.  

Kate



dvnyc 1252 reads
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I wonder if there's a way to lock a thread?  Perhaps that's what we need in the future.

I'm done with this thread and will let it run its course and die away.

sparkyusa 10 Reviews 1493 reads
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If i were this MOD i would quit,the job aint worth this.

sparkyusa 10 Reviews 1268 reads
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Too nice to be on here anyway,70 degrees.I hear mr harley screaming please let me out for a ride.Going,going,gone.

sweetnicole1 See my TER Reviews 1569 reads
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most ppl on a DNS list would tell you they are there and shouldn't be. I tend to believe a well known well reviewed provider over just some guy any day of the week. Yet I am not a fool and know some are there who also shouldn't be.
This client I had who I found out later  had been put on a blacklist by someone else, also feels he shouldn't be. I have never blacklisted anyone, I haven't had dangerous situations so in my opinion, no need to. But to judge if HE should be on a blacklist, no. I wasn't there so no I tend to take the Ladies word for it.
There are men who NCNS and have no intentions of keeping the appt. I like being abler to see if they are blacklisted and why. I do not want to waste my time.
I think personally for me to blacklist someone there needs to be dangerous situations involved.
I can't judge why someone else blacklisted someone, everyone has a different tolerance level.

sparkyusa 10 Reviews 1640 reads
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kate made a great point about the ter reviews.I would prefer to write a review based on the ladies quality,personality ect.ter forces the issue of the details which i do not believe all the time but make for good reading.I wrote a review based on my time and how much i enjoyed this womans company.It was about how sweet she was,how inteligent she was,how comfortable she made me feel.My review got denied due to lack of THE DETAILS.S i had to rewrite it not once but twice.Some of the ladies want the erotic details written and some dont.I would rather write something more on a professional level.us men know what we are in for by reading the reviews and the ladies websites.we know we can choose any women we want by her looks and how she performs.There has been many times i have come accross an add and said wow gotta have that.to me thats what gets us in  trouble.Not every women here is for every man.The woman on the other hand do not have websites to observe whom they are getting involved with.They do not have pictures to see and say i gotta have that.The women here go into this blindsided and only have the word of another provider.I really dont and cant imagine what is going through a providers mind while waiting for her guest.If i got knots in my belly and know i am seeing this beautiful girl,just imagine the knots going through their belly not knowing what is coming through the door.Take this scenerio into consideration.A guy sets up an appointment and all references check out.But it was a set up so that his friend can see the provider but had no references.Not good and not safe.If some of the ladies here need to be a little more protective then i am all for it.

Bostonguy57 48 Reviews 1984 reads
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Just as in reviews, we are only hearing one side of the story here...

Bostonguy57 48 Reviews 1118 reads
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If I knew both sides of the story and I had reason to actually believe that he was being treated unfairly.  So far, all we have here is a guy in panic mode because he wound up on a black list.

Of course, we all know that no guy has EVER done anything to possibly deserve that...

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 1229 reads
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Can't we all just get along and knock boots instead of another day of he said and then everyone else says?

When I'm in Boston next week, I'm there to have FUN!!!

xoxo,

Steph

CarnalCourtesan See my TER Reviews 909 reads
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I am all for posting about a guy that rapes or strangles a lady.  This type will not only be violent with providers, but with other ladies in his life.  I think everyone should be warned.  Hell, he could have a business partner and knock him off if he's the violent type.  People who have violent tendencies do not ultimately discriminate over who they might harm.  They are a ticking time bomb and potential hazard to society. Look at all the sad news stories over the past 2 weeks.

It would be nice if habitual NCNS gents are going to be tracked that only certain parts of their information is posted.  Initials, or part of a name and phone number.  Full disclosure should be between ladies and or in a more private forum.

Even if a guy is an major A-hole or difficult, I don't believe his full name and information should appear on a PUBLIC web site that is accessible to anyone who Googles his name.

Heck, my hairdresser and nail salon have NCNS all the time.  Doctors, dentists, massage therapists and other professions that require appointment also experience NCNS.  I accidently missed a dental appointment a couple of weeks ago, and my dentist didn't publically post my name.

If you are verifying properly and follow up with gents within 24 hours of the meeting, they are less likely to not show.  If you are concerned then request a deposit.  I never have NCNS (keeping my fingers crossed) although I have had some misunderstandings because I refuse to make arrangements until a gentleman confirms-no exception.  Yes, it sucks to have a NCNS, but in reality it’s all part of the overhead of running a business.  If you are experiencing many NCNS, then something is flawed in your screening process, or you are just seeing every Tom, Dick and Harry to make a buck.

I know times are tough, but maybe it's time to think about a real part time job if you are totally dependant on escorting to pay your bills.  JHC, everyone wants it easy-but life is not easy.  We all struggle, but if you are trying to help yourself it will all come together for you in the end if you work and play smart.

I'm missing something with some of the responses.  What makes a provider any more entitled to post a man's personal information in a PUBLIC forum than any other professional?  Booty, teeth or hair, it doesn’t make sense.

Kate

SinsOfTheFlesh See my TER Reviews 1384 reads
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First you say she was visiting. Then you out her name. You blame it on the mod. I guess he magically forced YOU to type out her name in YOUR post? Then further down on the SAME THREAD you say she's a local. Make up what passes for a pea brained mind here.

I don't have a dog in this fight, so just give it up trying to insinuate anything comes from me. I just abhor flat out LIARS almost as much as I abhor pissant LOSERS who NCNS. Since you fit the bill on both counts, well, there you go.

dvnyc 767 reads
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a great round of golf. Now catching the Pats. Jumping onto TER...

and this is still going??!!

I guess it's good to see activity on the BOARD.  Anything new to post?

Let's start another heavy topic item.

CindyGold See my TER Reviews 1140 reads
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Fundamental Techniques in Handling People

1. Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
2. Give honest and sincere appreciation.
3. Arouse in the other person an eager want.


Six Ways to Make People Like You

1. Become genuinely interested in other people.
Smile.
2. Remember that a man's Name is to him the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
3. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
4. Talk in the terms of the other man's interest.
5. Make the other person feel important and do it sincerely.


Twelve Ways to Win People to Your Way of Thinking

1. Avoid arguments.
2. Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never tell someone they are wrong.
3. If you're wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
4. Begin in a friendly way.
5. Start with questions the other person will answer yes to.
6. Let the other person do the talking.
7. Let the other person feel the idea is his/hers.
8. Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
19. Sympathize with the other person.
10. Appeal to noble motives.
11. Dramatize your ideas.
12. Throw down a challenge.

exdaytrader 42 Reviews 1107 reads
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I have seen the provider in question several times and I did have to cancel on her once on short notice (about 30 minutes) while she was visiting our fine city. I called, I apologized profusely, and I expressed with humor and wit an humility how I would much rather spend the time with her rather than in the meeting I was being dragged into. So why am I not on the same list right beneath your name? Me thinks there is more to this equation.

I know a lot of providers say "no texts" but in the event of a true emergency cancellation, I think they would appreciate the heads up.

Given your attitude to the posters on this board and your less than courteous demeanor simply within these posts I think its safe to say that in general, your an asshole. The problem is compounded because it sounds like you are unaware of the fact that you are an asshole. I feel bad for you.

As far as people googleing your name and getting a divorce or loss of job because of it, is your name that unique that you can't simply say, to quote the famous hip-hop song, "wasn't me".

If you were that worried about your reputation in the hobby, then I would simply work on building a resume of TER whitelist's to dispute this one providers perception.

That being said, NBL is pretty friggin nasty and they are, legally speaking, pretty untouchable which is unfortunate. They are also cowards as they use a proxy service to register their domain. So as far as getting your name taken down, you are SOL there.

dvnyc 2967 reads
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was given a complete 404 and 408 Could Not be Found.

I'm not even worthy enough to be given a page on the web.

Hmmm....

;)

observer2009 1622 reads
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That Blacklist needs to be put out of everyone's misery.  Hope one of the many attorney's reading TER finds a case opportunity for themselves, and f***s them over royally.

augustwest 46 Reviews 1958 reads
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kz1 made himself vulnerable.  It is understandable that many providers require a real name, proof of identification, etc.

From his point of view, he cooperated with the screening requirements (I don't know specifically what they are for J), and she has essentially outed him.

It appears that he gave his real name and listed phone number. Had he given his cell phone, or if his land line was unlisted, a google search would be less accurate and traceable to his actual identity.

There is a fine line involving risk and trust between guys and gals in this industry. We learn, not only from mistakes, but from experience.

kz1, if you are sincere in the fact that you are getting screwed, I hope you can get things fixed with that board.  I expect that you, and others, are a bit wiser from this experience (and thread), and will better weigh the risks in the future.  Be careful how you move forward, and for Heavens sake, if you are going to use your land line while playing in this game, pay the extra $$ to have it unlisted!

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