I’m using an alias because I know that this is bound to be a touchy subject and I do want to get laid in this town.
I’ve noticed that, overall, the best talent in the Boston market are either from an agency or they are touring Indie Providers. I’ve also noticed that even within the agencies, the touring providers tend to be hotter and better performers than the locals in the same agency. Why is that? Other hobbyists that I’ve spoken to from here and in other regions agree that Boston is known for this.
I like to book appointments in advance sometimes. You can’t really do that with Agencies or Touring Indies, so I’ve done a lot of research into the local indie scene, and what I’ve found is puzzling at best and disturbing at worst. The vast majority are either old or fat or both. Looking at the ads on the board, the ads on the mall sites, and even the provider pick of the week threads, it is obvious that, overall, the best girls here work for agencies rather than themselves.
I travel a lot, and I hobby frequently when I do. I don’t run into this in other cities. I usually have four or five prospects to pick from when setting up an advance date; and it is not availability, but looks and performance that sets the list of options. Here, you’d be lucky to find one or two that wouldn’t be sixth, seventh, or 100th choice somewhere else.
I’ve also noted that the indies that participate in discussions tend to be rather demanding and uptight. Combined with the looks and performance, this is not enticing.
Any ideas on why the hobby scene here has developed like this? I know that quite a few are going to take offense to this, but I am not singling any one provider out, and there are a few who are great, but the ratio of good indies to good agency or touring providers seems out of whack with the rest of the hobby world.
It's deja-boob all over again. I know I've seen those cheeks before.
As for serious questions from alian id's, I've never had a problem finding what I want in Boston, and I don't use agencies. It's usually an independent, be it a traveling one or one that is based here. As a matter of fact, my issue is deciding who to spend my limited time and $$ with.
There are plenty of independent ladies around here, just takes some research.
Oh, and if youy don't like the choices here, then ....... move!
I think the hobby industry is based like any other on supply and demand. There are a lot of great Indy talent around the Boston area (with great looks and performance), but if you monitor the boards, they rarely advertize on a regular basis, indicating that they have sufficient clients to meet their business model and in most cases, they are either students or have regular civilian jobs and the hobby is to supplement their income so their time is limited. And if you did not find what you are looking for, its either there is no demand, or she is fully booked eliminating the need to advertize her service on the boards. I will have to agree with you on the amount of visiting talent; it seems it has dried up in the Boston area compared to 3 years ago. Visiting agencies like “Latina escorts” “BDJ” “viva” etc reduced their visits here and when they are in the area, it is a one day visit, making it difficult if you are not fast enough to secure a session. Also looking at the escort malls, the number of adds in the Boston area is half of that of the DC, NYC and Chicago, and lately half of the ads in the Boston area are scams making it a tough job to find a hit among the many ads. Not very familiar with the local agencies, but their visiting girls have been reduced significantly compared to two years ago. I guess given the high cost of operation in the Boston area, coupled with the increased hotel security, high hotel occupancy rate, driving rates up (Boston has one of the highest occupancy rates in the nation) and the low hobby demand, makes the business model a little challenging driving the rates up compared to other metro areas , and that is why you might have more selection in other areas for the same price or even lower (so it is not a fair comparison as you have stated) . I mean this is not a start up business with VC money flowing, these ladies need to be in the black ASAP or seek other options. I guess for your next trip, you need to search more compared to other areas, and maybe PM some regular board members if they can recommend someone that fits the criteria/$$$$ you are looking for.
Not sure you are correct. There are too many variables at work to do a true apples to apples comparison. Boston is a very small city. Many "touring providers", including those at agencies, are actually locals that drop in and out of the scene. Do you know which is which? The scene is changing all of the time also.
Also, unless you have seen a large percentage of the ladies in the cities you are comparing, you are relying on the perceptions/opinions of others. Maybe the Boston scene is more honest, more critical, has higher standards, etc, so it appears that ratings are lower. Maybe the ladies of the type you look for (young and thin) do not need to be a visible and you need to look a little harder.
I do not hobby that much, but when I do I certainly do not have trouble finding quality. There are enough good agencies and good independents (both local and visitors) for me. And no, I am not naming names,
Posted By: A`Serious`Question
I’m using an alias because I know that this is bound to be a touchy subject and I do want to get laid in this town.
I’ve noticed that, overall, the best talent in the Boston market are either from an agency or they are touring Indie Providers. I’ve also noticed that even within the agencies, the touring providers tend to be hotter and better performers than the locals in the same agency. Why is that? Other hobbyists that I’ve spoken to from here and in other regions agree that Boston is known for this.
I like to book appointments in advance sometimes. You can’t really do that with Agencies or Touring Indies, so I’ve done a lot of research into the local indie scene, and what I’ve found is puzzling at best and disturbing at worst. The vast majority are either old or fat or both. Looking at the ads on the board, the ads on the mall sites, and even the provider pick of the week threads, it is obvious that, overall, the best girls here work for agencies rather than themselves.
I travel a lot, and I hobby frequently when I do. I don’t run into this in other cities. I usually have four or five prospects to pick from when setting up an advance date; and it is not availability, but looks and performance that sets the list of options. Here, you’d be lucky to find one or two that wouldn’t be sixth, seventh, or 100th choice somewhere else.
I’ve also noted that the indies that participate in discussions tend to be rather demanding and uptight. Combined with the looks and performance, this is not enticing.
Any ideas on why the hobby scene here has developed like this? I know that quite a few are going to take offense to this, but I am not singling any one provider out, and there are a few who are great, but the ratio of good indies to good agency or touring providers seems out of whack with the rest of the hobby world.
Too many burger king fans for my taste, and I am not interested in recycling the local indies.
Besides, they never seem to be on time and my one hour sessions used to be 50 minutes as a general rule. I think they take the local hobbyists for granted.
Luckily, a couple agencies and the visiting providers keep me happy.
Maybe the Boston guys like women like a fine red wine, young and dumb doesn't always fit the bill. Old and fat? If you're in your early to late 20's, anyone can be old and fat. I know I'm generally taller than most of the gents I meet, does that make me fat? Old is just a number, are some of supposed to not be in the business after a certain age?
I checked my rating in Boston and compared to other cities I rate higher outside of Boston. Out of whack, looks like you are looking for something you may not be able to acquire.
True, I'm local, although it goes unnoticed because I travel every week. Price comparison, really? We all know you can get a great experience for 200/hr vs upwards to 300/400....appears some just assume a low price tag means less value, try it you might like it!
If you look for old or fat, that is what you will find. Plenty of choices for all tastes.
I have no problem seeing older providers...as long as their service is good. I usually stay with thin...but will make exceptions for outstanding service.
Some weeks the biggest problem is deciding who to see. So many "must see" local as well as touring choices.
What does it matter if the girl is touring vs local? The only difference I see is that touring girls prefer downtown vs suburb locations.
As a Boston independent I must be frank in that I find the original poster's comment and another poster's response biting, albeit in a very surface, shallow way. Even the "old, fat, demanding providers" put a great deal of emotional and physical energy into providing service to the general population, sight unseen and I think its demeaning to reduce the ones you don't particularly care for (even in the context of a rant) so dismissively.
Lest I sound self-deprecating I know where I'd probably fall on both counts per their opinions and that's fine. A provider cannot be everything to everyone and I experience more than my fair share of dynamic, mind-blowing men who like what I am and who I am enough for me to be confident.
I've never been delusional about my strengths or weaknesses as a provider and as I near the end of my time as a provider I think that I can speak a little more objectively here than I could in the past. I'm going to take myself out of this equation now versus taking the comments personally and share what I think was the intent of the original poster's post and give my theory.
Two points: a) I think that Boston on a whole is lacking of what one would call "hot, exceptional providers" who are based here as local independents because of the prevailing cultural attitudes of women towards sex here
b) Providers follow money. If there were enough support of the providers that you search for (and I will name names because I think that a point of reference is necessary to illustrate the type of unicorn provider that is being discussed here- say a Renata Elite, a Catherine Dumont or an Alicia Kerrington: legitimately model caliber looks, educated, well-rounded, fit etc.)...they would make this their permanent residence & base
I'm into the social scene and spend a lot of time with non-provider women my age. Compared to other cities I've spent time in women here on a whole are a lot more sterile and reserved about casual sex. When I began five years ago I told three girls in my campus office what I'd done- two of whom immediately took camera phone pics and placed themselves on my Rare-Escorts website (lol). I cannot imagine that happening here with any attractive, dynamic girl I know. Not a single one. In fact, if my friends knew- they wouldn't be my friends.
Women here are so much more socially mercenary about sex, even if they enjoy it its less of a fun casual activity and more of a weapon they wield. Sex and self-worth are so tangled up here. The more attractive and educated a woman in Boston, the more reserved she seems to be with her sexuality. Southern cities (i.e. Atlanta and Floridian markets) are so saturated with beautiful women willing to provide versus here because culturally they don't have those hangups compared to here. Boston has the large metropolitan populations and cost of living comparable to DC, NYC, LA which would suggest that there would be more women participating in this business- but its so severely lacking in truly sexually uninhibited & liberated women that it expresses itself in a lack of diversity in sex workers in my opinion.
Where I'm from young women who are both beautiful and dynamic have no qualms about doing something that may not be a normative, public activity whereas here...well I can just imagine suggesting to a hottie Newbury St. restaurant hostess "why don't you make some real money". Here in Boston if it can't go on a chick's Facebook page or be recognized socially well it isn't getting done. Sex here is so ingrained as a private, personal activity to be committed with boyfriends and future husbands.
On the other hand when you see a young woman with an apartment or car she can't afford here- well, there are a lot of sneaky sugar babies to be had but they typically aren't found in Craigslist Casual Encounters but rather through the classroom or the office or a friend of a friend of a friend.
As far as the old mainstays and "demanding, uptight" locals go- I think this is a phenomenon bred by the intelligence and preferences of Boston clients. I've simmered down considerably but in the past I noticed that the crazier I spoke on discussion boards, the more requests I received directly from those posts. The things which you may value (a gorgeous girl who fucks like a minx) aren't necessarily what the next client are looking for.
Whether its misguided or not I think a lot of here men choose and return to women they know they'll have a good time with rather than risking being impressed by the package and leaving emotionally unsatisfied by the encounter. I cannot presume to know what men think but if there weren't something to the level of comfort or service that local independents offer we wouldn't remain in business year after year, celebrated and respected by our local patrons, as perplexed as that leaves clients who desire and demand the "whole package".
Raising the question cannot change the "supply" of women based here, but hopefully you'll receive some answers which address the phenomenon that you speak of.
I also hope that you can find local things of beauty to spend your time with in future endevours, your frustration is palpable...but aside from scheduling issues there are more than enough traveling providers who fit your ideals and that is better than "nothing" at all.
An incredibly insightful assessment Ally. I think you've really made a very accurate observation about Boston area woman and their attitudes about casual sex. Countless theories exists, books written and careers made over this subject. In general terms Boston has always had its hang ups about sex.
Until I had opportunity to meet and understand the sexual attitudes of woman from other regions and cities around the country I couldn't understand there was a difference in sexual attitudes at play here. I feel very fortunate to have been able to meet ladies from other areas who have shown that there is a vast differences in the sexual attitudes and energy put out, of say, a New England woman verses one from Atlanta or Florida.
This "Hobby" and the various business models followed by the touring ladies really does give Boston clients exposure to, or a taste of, the more promiscuous, open and accepting ladies from around the country. I for one appreciate those differences and thank you for pointing it out and educating this New Englander about "Southern Hospitality"
Most Local Clients are FAT, OLD and Whiny too. Particularly "whiny" as evidenced by your post.
"NO" Locals in the Boston area are in shape? Are you kidding me? NONE? That alone is a bizarre statement. Are you even in this City? Ever? You want some hot woman, just look under the ladies reviewed by Augustwest, Big Fellow, Dtreo, even mine for a good cross section.
Dude you need a new search function on your computer. If you can't find an attractive, intelligent, in shape, dynamic and sexual freak indie in Boston, then you sir, are spending way too much time pounding your pud and too little time seeing whats right before your eyes.
As far as menu and performance goes I think those are too subjective to make generalized statements about. I've seen ladies that simply blew my mind, taking me places I couldn't imagine before, tell me that some men couldn't fuck their way out of a paper bag. These men expect caviare to come out of their session when all they bring to the table is tuna fish.
I don't care how thin, attractive, in shape, or sexually freaky a lady is, they aren't miracle workers and the quality of the session is often determined by the energy both parties bring to the table. You need to spend less time in the porn fantasy world and more time around real people with real bodies, real personalities and real intelligence.
Although I am a relative newbie; started the hobby this past January, I don't understand the debate. I believe that regional differences in providers, if they truly exist, should be embraced and not the focus of negative comments. One of the unique aspects of this hobby is the variety and types of providers available to clients. I for one have had incredible experiences with eight (8) friendly, intelligent, and beautiful Boston area indies. Moreover, I have not experienced any negative attitudes or whining among any of these women. Quite the contrary, I have found Boston indies very willing to please and be pleased. Just my 2 cents.
Funny every day I am amazed at my good fortune! I do not advertise often and my availability is slim (unlike my waist) yet I am treated well, with respect and desire from many of my friends! My attitude and service far out weigh my pot belly and meaty thighs! I give love and receive love and I give no thought at all to foolishness! Life is too short to have hang ups! Live love and laugh nothing can beat it!!
Oh speaking of whiny seems to be as many hobbiest whining as providers!
Posted By: A`Serious`Question
I’m using an alias because I know that this is bound to be a touchy subject and I do want to get laid in this town.
I’ve noticed that, overall, the best talent in the Boston market are either from an agency or they are touring Indie Providers. I’ve also noticed that even within the agencies, the touring providers tend to be hotter and better performers than the locals in the same agency. Why is that? Other hobbyists that I’ve spoken to from here and in other regions agree that Boston is known for this.
I like to book appointments in advance sometimes. You can’t really do that with Agencies or Touring Indies, so I’ve done a lot of research into the local indie scene, and what I’ve found is puzzling at best and disturbing at worst. The vast majority are either old or fat or both. Looking at the ads on the board, the ads on the mall sites, and even the provider pick of the week threads, it is obvious that, overall, the best girls here work for agencies rather than themselves.
I travel a lot, and I hobby frequently when I do. I don’t run into this in other cities. I usually have four or five prospects to pick from when setting up an advance date; and it is not availability, but looks and performance that sets the list of options. Here, you’d be lucky to find one or two that wouldn’t be sixth, seventh, or 100th choice somewhere else.
I’ve also noted that the indies that participate in discussions tend to be rather demanding and uptight. Combined with the looks and performance, this is not enticing.
Any ideas on why the hobby scene here has developed like this? I know that quite a few are going to take offense to this, but I am not singling any one provider out, and there are a few who are great, but the ratio of good indies to good agency or touring providers seems out of whack with the rest of the hobby world.
I received a very angry PM from a local provider attacking me for this anonymous post. She jumped to this conclusion, I assume, because a few days ago I posted looking for references to Boston indies of a certain description. That was a coincidence. I have never in my years on TER posted anonymously. I am not the OP, and this is one of the many reasons anonymous posts suck. I am posting this now because I do not want anyone else to make the link--however bizarre a leap it might be--between my ISO post and this one, and presume that I am a nasty ingrate who attacks people anonymously.
And, for the record, you also did not post to the thread as an alias.
See....I know these things because I'm the only one who can see behind the curtain. I'm the only one who actually knows who the alias posters are. Of course that never stops some people from thinking they're so smart that they actually know something. As if that's not bad enough...they then have to go around spreading things as "information" that are completely conjecture and speculation. Sometimes they take it one step farther and even begin attacking the people they are convinced (with no facts, let's remember) are the offending party.
Anonymous posts don't suck. There is a time and place for anonymous posts...and that's why they're allowed. Busybody gossips with paranoid delusions who irresponsibly spread rumors, suck. There's no time or place for them....and they shouldn't be allowed. It's that kind of behavior that "fractures the community".....and nothing else.
Good for you, newted, for posting your experience and publicly clearing up any possible misconceptions. Look at it this way....you saved yourself...and a few others, I'm sure, a fair amount of money by knowing who NOT to see.
Thanks for confirming the truth of my post. I appreciate it. I will not hold my breath for an apology from the girl who PM'd me.
As for anonymous posts, I agree that they don't suck all the time. But they DO suck when used not to collect information or raise a legitimate issue, but to incite stupid fights or lob insults without having the balls to identify oneself.
Posted By: DirtyDaego
And, for the record, you also did not post to the thread as an alias.
See....I know these things because I'm the only one who can see behind the curtain. I'm the only one who actually knows who the alias posters are. Of course that never stops some people from thinking they're so smart that they actually know something. As if that's not bad enough...they then have to go around spreading things as "information" that are completely conjecture and speculation. Sometimes they take it one step farther and even begin attacking the people they are convinced (with no facts, let's remember) are the offending party.
Anonymous posts don't suck. There is a time and place for anonymous posts...and that's why they're allowed. Busybody gossips with paranoid delusions who irresponsibly spread rumors, suck. There's no time or place for them....and they shouldn't be allowed. It's that kind of behavior that "fractures the community".....and nothing else.
Good for you, newted, for posting your experience and publicly clearing up any possible misconceptions. Look at it this way....you saved yourself...and a few others, I'm sure, a fair amount of money by knowing who NOT to see.
Once upon a time, I was an agency girl here in Boston It was a great experience, and I have no complaints; the agency owner was spectacular, I had a great group of regulars, and the money was something I had never experienced before. But, despite the positive working conditions, in the back of my entrepreneurial mind, I wanted to go independent.
Obviously, I eventually did, but it took a lot of internal debate, because of the problem the OP has suggested. There's just not much of a high end, indy scene in Boston. I had done my homework, I knew how to jump the shark, but was it going to be worth it? I was afraid that there just wasn't a demand for what I wanted to offer. I think that may be the big problem.
I know stunning, wonderful agency girls who would do very well as indy providers, but they're comfortable where they are, and are scared that there's no market in Boston for the next step up. I'm very happy with my decision, but it did take me a while (and some time off to travel ) to finally take the plunge.
that is part of his problem. he is suggesting agencies and travelers gets him your value at regular market rates.
BTW, by the looks of your pictures and reviews, I do not think you have "jumped the shark". You may want to look that up before using it again. I think you meant to say "take the plunge".
I am one of the *oldies* you speak of in the Boston market, soon to be 49 so mst likely one of the oldest. No I am not your cup of tea or everyones either, nor do I want to be. As many that want a Lady who is 22 there are just as many that are interested in a gal my age. Its all about preferences. Now additudes...hmmm thats a problem and one I feel has gotten worst from the hobbyists over the past yr as well. I never had a ncns never a cancellation never issues of screening or whiy clients complaining about why am I not incalling right this minute, they made appts. Seems like theres a rash of last minute requests and sorry but we too have lives goin on. we too have to make arrangements. Those who cant afford to play here call and ask for discounts specials ect and listen expenses are up for us as well. You only wanna pay a certain amount thats what a certain amount gets you, you want a High priced hottie pay for her. Bostons market over the last yr has changed its different as are the times. Its like pulling teeth getting refs off some ppl and all this crap wears on us...so its a very different venue than it was even a yr ago. I have clients I love to see and we have a good time, no Im not your cup of tea but I am most certainly someones...to each their own.
I am 49 LOL and I know a gal who is quite popular in Boston and she is 55!
There are gents in their 70's who are not at all comfortable with a woman in her 30's yet they have the skills to give a girl chills! Not every hobbiest is 35!! LOL
Posted By: sweetnicole1
I am one of the *oldies* you speak of in the Boston market, soon to be 49 so mst likely one of the oldest. No I am not your cup of tea or everyones either, nor do I want to be. As many that want a Lady who is 22 there are just as many that are interested in a gal my age. Its all about preferences. Now additudes...hmmm thats a problem and one I feel has gotten worst from the hobbyists over the past yr as well. I never had a ncns never a cancellation never issues of screening or whiy clients complaining about why am I not incalling right this minute, they made appts. Seems like theres a rash of last minute requests and sorry but we too have lives goin on. we too have to make arrangements. Those who cant afford to play here call and ask for discounts specials ect and listen expenses are up for us as well. You only wanna pay a certain amount thats what a certain amount gets you, you want a High priced hottie pay for her. Bostons market over the last yr has changed its different as are the times. Its like pulling teeth getting refs off some ppl and all this crap wears on us...so its a very different venue than it was even a yr ago. I have clients I love to see and we have a good time, no Im not your cup of tea but I am most certainly someones...to each their own.
and we dont all wanna play with that 20 something hobbyist either. I see ONLY clients who are over 40. I have my preferences as well.
I turn 49 on August 3rd and girl I tink Im pretty rockin hot for 49 and some who are in their 20s and 30s dont have anything on me you or any of us *oldies*. lol
Preferences preferences preferences...we are like fine wine, yes its an old saying but comin from an old girl...what do you expect. lol
xo rock on you over 40 (and then some) Hotties!!!!
HERE HERE again. I'm in my 20's and I say *cheers, drink to that*.
Posted By: sweetnicole1
and we dont all wanna play with that 20 something hobbyist either. I see ONLY clients who are over 40. I have my preferences as well.
I turn 49 on August 3rd and girl I tink Im pretty rockin hot for 49 and some who are in their 20s and 30s dont have anything on me you or any of us *oldies*. lol
Preferences preferences preferences...we are like fine wine, yes its an old saying but comin from an old girl...what do you expect. lol
xo rock on you over 40 (and then some) Hotties!!!!
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