Made a appointment with xxxxxxxxxxxx today, She sounded sweet on to phone. I get to the room and she wont open the door or answer the phone (how professional). I see a lot of girls, min of 2 girls week. visting + locals. This has never happen to me before. Not only did she waste my time, she also stoped another girl from getting $$$$ that she did not want to take. That just goes to show, just because a provider cost more money don,t mean she is worth it.

Name removed by Moderator.....I believe what jwedge said is true, but while the incident should be reported, I do not feel comfortable naming names....we will have to wait and see the posted review....if he submits one.

-- Modified on 5/28/2004 9:18:26 AM

> Name removed by Moderator.....I believe what jwedge
> said is true, but while the incident should be
> reported, I do not feel comfortable naming names....
> we will have to wait and see the posted review....
> if he submits one.

How exactly will he be able to post a review if he was not able to see the provider?

I made this point a while back.  The concensus opinion was "that's what the discussion boards are for".  So, if that option is out, and reviews require "explicit details" or they don't get published (as an example, my review of Serina), how exactly does a guy share information on this web site about a provider who was either a no-show or refused to see the man as described in jwedge's post?

VC

I respect a woman's right to chose who she wants to see but this information - that she will not see people of a certain race should be available to the public at large so that others who don't fit her criteria don't go through the hassle.  

This board is for providers and hobbyists but what's the point if there can't be a free flow of information.

if she didn't answer the door or phone how do you know she did so because of race??  I did that once, not answer....but it was because I KNEW the guy  (from work!!!..eeek! (and not from the hobby!) another young lady knew the man on the other end of the peephole as her brother!! there's a variety of reasons why a lady may not answer (if she was EVEN there to start with!) I've had clients go to the wrong room and also have looked out of peepholes and seen lots of LE activity on the other side (as in cars in lot plus) ..another reason I don't do motels...  What i am getting at, is why assume that it's race? I AM hoping however that she has the courtesy of a follow up with you as to why..if she's not too scared after reading the post and accusation hopefully.

I have girls who will see black guys and girls who won't. It is up to the girl who she will or will not see. I don't like anyone to waste their time, so I ask that African American gentlemen just let me know ahead of time so I can steer them in the right direction, so they do not waste their time. I know it is not fair for you to have to disclose this to me, but it is the only way I know of to insure that you will have a great time. You get to pick and choose what race/age/body style you want to see. The girls have every right to refuse to see anybody for any rason they choose. If you let me know I will be more than happy to help you.
Jill

i don't think the providers name should be posted...there are too many assumtions eing made here (as in she didn't see him "because of race") ...OR there was incomplete info in his post...if a girl doesn't answer or open the door, there is usually a reason and not knowing the gentleman in volved or the girl, there are too many unknowns to put anyone on the public lynching stage...

it's a fair question, jwedge - how do you know she refused to see you because of your race?

on the other hand, what DIFFERENCE does it make why she refused to see him? he made the appointment in good faith and showed up with cash in hand. she wasted his time. i'd like to know who she is - if she wants to respond with a good excuse, that's fine.

ladies, if a hobbyist wastes your time with a no show, many of you will refuse to see him again, or at least put him on "probation". and i bet you tell your friends who he is, too. this board is for sharing information. why is this information so sacred?

Or better yet when they send rude and obnoxious emails, If a guy does not find the girl he is about to see appealing and then leaves, does that make him a bad person and should the provider kick up a fuss. If the provider was frieghtened or felt intimated by the person behind the peep hole, you cannot blame her, she usually doesnt have a picture of her man before like the men do, nor does she have reviews to go on, Give the girl a break

 To post you experiences? Good, bad or otherwise?

When girls start giving guys $ to show, of course...

I am fond of two dollar bills. I'd like to sneak them into their shoes when they aren't looking. I like to give presents to some of my clients too. I am just a sucker when it comes to people I like.

I can't really comment on this thread. I can't even fathom not opening the door, regardless. But I don't pick up my phone anymore, I am a rare 100% cyber slut with a gift for returning e-mails when I deem fit. I was thinking of Boston when I just got home now, the smell of the ocean reminded me of Boston. Miss you guys, have a good weekend. Can you believe I was gone so long they changed the lock on my building's front door? I had to intercom myself in. Lol.

there are other things worth spending time on...my reluctance towards having them post her name was in the tone of the origonal email and the assumptions of the writer that it was a "race" issue..if he had come off genuine, sincere and didn't try to play that card, I'd say "yes" share...I simply feel that it has become a pissing match or an attempted lynching. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but tone and sincerity are sometimes missing in the written word...and as I emphasize again, we are going on way too little info to make a solid judgement on this against the provider.

 No show's, LE, etc...etc..Hopefully most girls go into this line of work with their eyes open. Their hourly rate should reflect their risks.

Jwedge-as a woman of color, I am sorry to hear about your experience. I have also been discriminated against for more than just my skin color, at times in my life. But, if I let those incidents get me down, I would never leave my house. I truly believe that there is good in everyone, and I try to give everyone a benefit of a doubt I also know, that I am not for everyone, and I understand that, and respect it, for that is their preference.

In your situation, it sounds like there was a miscommunication issue: She never came out forth right with her preferences (which she should have, if there was a preference), but..neither did you ask her what her preferences were (meaning-would she see men of color?). From time to time, I even had men who were seeking my services, ask me if it's okay if they were of a certain race. Of course it's okay! For me, I personally feel (just my point of view), that sex should not discriminate. I have always been known to say, that if a martian ever landed on this planet, I will be the first one in line to try "it", for I am very open-minded

I also feel (VERY STRONGLY!) that a woman has a choice of whether or not, who she will see, regardless of funds. I also feel that if a woman has a preference, then she may want to state it on her website, so that men who don't fit her preferences, will at least have the choice to take his business elsewhere. Once it's out in the open on her website, then there would be no issues.  NO-I don't believe in "outing" anyone, for it reminds me too much of a "witch-hunt", and it's just not right. Who are we as a society to judge other's for their preferences???

As a society here, need to also remember that everyone has a preference (yes, even us ladies), and we should learn to respect each other's differences. Whenever I get passed over for someone who is not my body type, my skin color, my hair type, my foot size, or whatever (lol), I don't make it a case, for again, I know that I am NOT for everyone, but I am for some

Anyways, sorry for the rambling, but I just wanted to give my additional cents on this subject. Also, my views may not neccessarily reflect other's either, and that is okay too, for like every one else, I have an opinion too

Sincerely,

Mel



-- Modified on 5/29/2004 8:20:45 AM

If the provider is a member of TER, maybe mod could contact for a response and then if its plausible, print her response.
My own feelings on the topic are, if I show up with cash in hand, the ONLY justifiable reason for the woman not to open the door would be if we were connected in life and she was trying to keep her hobbying on the DL. (family member, friend,co-worker et al)
While I'm sure her reasons are valid to her, racial preferences, sudden onset of illness, exhaustion or whatever should at least warrant an open door apology and dismissal instead of leaving him at the door.
...of course I'm a bottomdweller.
Fish

First I would like to say most people are wondering what I look like to make her not want to open the door.I understand that a women has the right to choose who she sees.But it should be with in reason. Like over 400 pounds-no,looks like a criminal or crack addict-no,or if she has seen him before and he was a jerk-no.These I understand.b an average guy that looks and sounds normal on the phone and checks out, It's expected that you see him. This is the business that you have chosen.(by the way I am none of the above)

I am not ticked that she doesn't see black men,Im a little pissed at how she went about it.Like I said everything seem fine but when I got to the door (which I have done to many times lately. I know,I know, I enjoy this hobby Way To Much, I need to start cutting back--Not)
Anyway when I got to the door she did not answer.I felt that she was hiding behind that f?cking peep hole like I was some zoo animal or something.waiting for me to do a trick.A ll of the sudden she does not answer her phone,she doesn't call me back,she is tip toeing around the room hiding from me.Bottom Line:I would have had more respect for her if she would have picked up the phone or called me back and said.I am so sorry I don't see black guys.I would have been pissed,but I would not have made this post.

I a provider has a preference on the guys that she sees,thats fine.But Disclose It.So the customer will know and can move on.An ad can say Wm.only, or no Blkms. A lot of providers have no problem telling the customer what kind of perfume,jewlry,flowers,gift certificates,candles,food,vacations that they like.Also what turns them on and off, Bad hygiene ect.All we are asking is if a girl has a preference Make It Clear.

I 100% think that the names should be posted.
  1. To warn other customers that might see her.And not have    the same bad thing happen to them.
  2.To give the provider the chance to respond.
  3.There might be someone who has been with her who can set the record straight.(like in my case someone bkack could have seen her and said, oh no I see her all the time she does see black guys.
  4.There might have been other customers that this has happen to but if the name is always deleted, we will never know and the provider can keep doing it over+over+over with out anyone knowing.

I say post all info with names and let us deside for ourselves if it's something that pertains to us.

Another reason I Im mad is that the girl in question has been around, and looks Smoking hot. she has mostly 9s+10s for reviews. oh well time to move on.

Jill,I have used your service before.No complaints.I would  use you more but I like to stay in boston.And your locations are a bit far for me.
You say that you ask African Americans to let you know so you can send them in the right direction. Is this something new or has this been going on. Only because I have seen your girls maybe 8 times and i just figured it wasn't a problem.Also is it the providers job or the customers to bring it up.If I told every girl that I called I am a black male,only 50% would see me.In my opinon that sounds like a negative going in it like you telling them something is wrong with you and will you accept me.I see plenty of gils that wouldn't normally see a black guy.But after talking on the phone with me and then seeing me they don't feel theaten by me and they give it a shot.I turn out to be some of these girls best customer.Only because they took the chance and everything worked out great.If I told them in the beginning i was black they plobly wouldnot have seen me. I hope you don't take this message the wong way.  also i just seen athena on your site. I might call you soon.

can prove she did not answer the door because he was black,
as many of you know I don't see men of color BUT I always ask ahead of time what race they are. Once I forgot to ask and a black guy showed up and it was perfectly fine, I still saw him but I did not enjoy the appointment and did not feel that I provided him with my BEST.

> if she didn't answer the door or phone how do you
> know she did so because of race??

Why are you assuming he made such a determination purely by intuition?  Perhaps he found out later that what he is stating was, indeed, the reality.

VC

If jwedge doesn't know for sure WHY she refused to see him and is only presuming it was because of race, he should still be able to state "I scheduled an appointment with so-and-so and she refused to see me after an appointment was set up and I knocked on the door.  I may be wrong, but I believe it was because I'm black."  As far as I'm concerned, that would be a statement of fact, and anyone can then ask jwedge specifics of the situation to help clarify what the real reason was, whether his intuition was accurate or not.  Or, if she told him later that she doesn't see black guys then he should be able to also state that as fact, there is nothing wrong with that.

Gee, I am sorry that this happened to you, but perhaps it is possible to focus a bit on someone who does enjoy the company of black gents?
I saw multi-lingual specialist, Caroline (link below), in DC a couple weeks ago, and she mentioned to me how much she had enjoyed meeting some fine black gentlemen in DC!
You may want to take a look at her pics and see what you think?
I believe she is coming to Boston this week at $$1/2, so please feel free to TER or direct e-mail me at [email protected] if you would like any performance-related details on her? She is well-reviewed on TER.
Good luck to you, and I do wish you a Happy Memorial Day!

dc!

was there any communication with her at ALL about WHY she didn't see you?? or is this all assumptions  and soreness of being rejected by a "hot provider"..? Yes, she should have called you later...(to call you from the room ..esp if she didn't know you were a gentleman...if she was unsure of the visit would and might have been Gravely uncomfortable /potentially dangerous for anygirl..I have had clietns even after a good session WAIT for me to go to my car and follow or try to approach/follow me..that's always a concern) But your post should have been on the fact that she didn't answer the door , or wasnt' there..not fair to assume it's race , I was hoping that your post would have disclosed more, like Viril had mentioned..that would have made sense..it's lost some of it's credibility now and comes off as a vengeful rejected hobbyist..sorry my .02 cents. So much time wasted..I'm sure that there is a lovely lady out there that will be comfortable  with you and time to move on..best wishes adn hugs all!