Those of us old enough to remember when the hobby was pre Internet and the Phoenix was the top way to meet a "friend" remember those words, " visual guarantee" and the phone girl either was the best person you never met or, " that bitch fucked me over and sent me a girl that looks nothing like her description!"  

 So I've met a few great and very utr ladies as of late and they refuse to set up a website or join an established agency or even post on ter because of the real life and their paranoia of getting caught by boyfriend husband family co workers etc.  

My question is this?  

Given a " visual guarantee" I.e. if Shes not what She describe herself as in looks weight , height etc. you can walk.

Would you be willing to take a chance at finding a diamond in the rough and going without pictures like the old days?

I always found it extra fun to wait for the anonymous knock on the door to see if I was getting tricked or treated.

I have a friend that used to rent an adjoining room and we would get two girls from premiere or after dark or Lindsay's ( old school) agencies and he swears that half the fun was waiting to be pleased or not by the visual guarantee.

I think if handled by a screener like Nicole or a well know agency or a Sue  Carson type phone girl these girls could still get work.

Just wondering aloud and reminiscing

Man, I remember those days.  My early days of the hobby.  Before it was called the Hobby.  Yes sir, the Phoenix was prime resource around here.  I kind of miss those days.  You would call an ad that gave a brief description of the lady.  She would direct you to call from a nearby payphone (before cell phones), maybe describe your surroundings, and then direct you to her incall.  Usually a house or apartment.  I met a few diamonds in the rough back then.   That was part of the excitement in those days.  Memories.   One of the lessons I learned back then was a larger size ad in the Phoenix didn't always mean the best service or hottest girls.

My issue with taking a chance with an unknown provider,even with a visual guarantee, starts with her appearance, but also has to take into consideration attitude and performance. So if she's hot, but has a bad attitude, or doesn't do things I need or enjoy, it's a waste of time for me. I think I would stick with providers whose reviews are consistent with what I need, especially at $300 or so a shot. Just my opinion.

Back in 97 I worked for an agency and there were no photos as you said and we were listed both in the Phoenix and a small local paper.  

The phone lady sent us all over the place and we all did very well. I really enjoyed it and they had that very same guarantee, that if the lady at your door wasn't absolutely gorgeous and as described that you could turn her away.  

Not only was our phone gal spectacular, many of us tipped her extra because she did so well by us. She was enthusiastic and could really pitch each girl very well ensuring they had a full schedule.

Grac

I started in early 90's out in Vegas and it was a crap shoot. I never turned anyone away. None of the ladies were as described! Especially when I picked up those fliers they used to have on the sidewalk in the newspaper vending machines (free). Would sit in my room getting the nerve to call and asked about so and so, how yes she's working I'll send her right over. Never did see the girl in the ad.

With the way things are now there is now way I would take such a chance. No reason to. The closest I've come is with an agency where I asked if anyone was in the area of interest but not to tell me who she was. I wanted to be surprised when I peeked behind the door

I go back to the early 70s....when it was either the Combat Zone or the Phoenix. I did meet a few great ladies via the Phoenix but they were few and far between.

There was a lady who operated out of a high rise near the waterfront - most of her ladies were part-timers who were only available in the evenings. She sent me pictures (through the mail - LOL) of the ladies she had available. It was a great service....expensive for the time....but she had some gorgeous women. And, if you hit it off, you might get invited back to the lady's place after the appointment - for some off-the-clock fun.  

I do miss those days!

I have only been at this a few years but if I or she shows up
at the incall or outcall and I do not wish to proceed due to her deceptive ad.

I walk or shut the door.

I cancelled last minute on a girl who was very deceptive and she reported me to P411.  

LOL

Wow! Pat J you truly are old school. I started this thing in 1993. $300-400/hr caliber girls were more like $200-$250. Most I saw back then were like $150/hr. I think the girls were less flakey back then too. Some really went above and beyond.  Just my opinion.

Play safe!

I've walked away from a few situations.  Doesn't happen often, because I go for the sure thing for the most part now.  

Play safe!

guess backpage has a lot of desperate girls and bait and switch ads and phony pics but my point is this, I would be willing to see a classy lady that preferred her pics not appear as she wanted to remain utr as long as the service representing her was reputable and had a visual guarantee.

Let face it pics are nice but who among us hasn't walked into a room and thought to himself

" fucking Aldo Antonio is a better magician than David Copperfield " yuh it's her but the pictures were very well done!

After dark had a lady years ago that to this day was my ATF and that's the thrill of the draw. IMHO

t face it pics are nice but who among us hasn't walked into a room and thought to himself  
   
 " fucking Aldo Antonio is a better magician than David Copperfield " yuh it's her but the pictures were very well done!  

 

Yup

I remember back in the mid 1980's with the Phoenix and pay phones and 1 of my ATF girls Penny.  She was my first escort and probably 1 of the best.  I called her ad in the Phoenix and she did a little bit of verification and called me right back.  She had a regular 9 to 5 job and did some side work a few times per week either at night or on the weekends.  She was about 5'7" and 130lbs maybe about 35 yrs old with perfect creamy white skins and awesome red hair.  The red hair was down below as well. She had a full bush and it was amazingly  soft which she told me she used hair conditioner on her pubes. We set up a saturday morning appt for about 11am.  I called from a pay phone from her general location and she had me read the pay phone # for verification.  She directed me to a building around the corner and I waited in the lobby and in walks a beautiful woman dressed in a sexy business suit and heels and she hugs me and we head off to her condo building right next store.  We take the elevator up to the penthouse floor.  While we ride up to her floor, she leans into me for a passionate DFK and she asks me if I am ready to make love to a real mature woman and I say yes and we spend the next 10-11 yrs enjoying each others's company.

I have shot with Aldo also but he doesnt retouch mine.
Its not Aldo its the lady herself that wants Aldo to OVER touchup.
when you see their pics and theres not one smidge or flaw...well that in itself is BS we are all flawed.
glamour shots are great but there needs to remain so glimmer of truth in there somewhere.

To unrecognizable almost plasticized condition that is inhuman. I've shot a few ladies myself and advised against this however as a photographer you do what the client requests. I shoot my own photos and do only light retouches to adjust lighting issues and keep my tattoos out of public view.

It is very important to reflect truth in advertising and always pleasant to have the client be surprised at how attractive you are in person.

A gent should never walk in expecting to see a fit attractive lady only to see she no resemblance of her photos because they were made to look thirty pounds thinner or like her body was sand blasted. It is very akin to bait and switch tactics.  

Reflect who you are not who you wish you were.

Grace

I did say I've walked away from a few situations. The reason was never because of their photos though. I realize some may be heavily touched up, but at least I knew it was the girl in the photo. I've walked away from a couple of situations in the past. It was because there was some obvious shady stuff going on. Girl was giving me the runaround. Made me wait in the parking lot longer than I needed to be. She called and said 15 more minutes. Had bern waiting for 20 minutes already. I also saw some dodgy looking people in the parking lot. That's when I was out of there.  Bye!

Play safe!

There are a couple ladies I've seen still traveling to this area that do this. Funny is knowing she has a Cindy Crawford mole or freckles on her nose but in the pics she has flawless skin lol

One lady in particular had a lot of tats and airbrushed them out. As usual a quick look at the pics I didn't notice. Got to the room and actually asked if she was *****. Stayed for the date and had a good time but went back to the pics and sure enough with a closer look for the tats I could see the blur. I did mention this in the review so others would know.

 I'm not against tats but it does change the looks of a person !

Prior to the internet massage parlors were the way to go in my opinion. There were many that came and went over the years but looking back there were 2 in particular that stand out in my mind. One was Richards on 138 in Canton from the mid 70s through the early 80s. Great place and was before HIV so bbfs was not uncommon.  

My other favorite place was the Old English Health Club in Cambridge from mid 70s to the early 90s. This place was in a below street level suite in Central Square.  It was not unusual to find 12 to 14 gorgeous girls working at one time. Once you got into a room iit was pretty much anything goes. You could get 2 girls at a time there too.

With places like these around there was no need to use the Phoenix, altough I did on occassion.

Your thoughts and/or memories if any.

I agree with grace that seeing a glamour photo set and then seeing an absolutely different looking gal at the door is akin to bait and switch.  

I discount the pictures that are too well done in my decision making process and it is a treat if the lady is prettier or very much like her pictures.

The heavier girls usually have certain poses and corset type outfits I've learned to recognize and the heavily tattooed gals too can hide their body art quite well. I'm personally indifferent toward the ink but recently saw a heavily tattooed lady and had I bothered to read the reviews before going to see her and not just look at the numbers  i would have known. Ill repeat with her because she was great but I disagree with that type of photo sets for your ads. Actually that's one of the very few benefits of Bp . The picture are usually armature and spot on.

I started the in the hobby in 1985.  As mentioned above BBFS was common.

I use to go to the Old English as well and I use to luv the Broadway Health Club in Cambridge which was close by the Old English.  I went to The Broadway in late 80's and all the 90's. It was set up like a gym where there was a semi open locker room where clients store their clothes, etc and waited for the girls to exit there massage rooms.  You would stand nude in the quasi locker room and shower area and the girls would be right there as well.  The gym equipment was right next to the massage rooms as well.  However, I never saw everyone ever use the gym stuff.  I doors on the rooms had 2 way peep holes that the girls would cover when they were in the rooms with clients.  I use to see a girl that was very muscular and was working there to support herself while she trained for the muscle shows and competition.  Her clit was huge.  The club changed the layout so the massage rooms where in a separate part of the gym in a secured area and it was more private as well.  Almost every girl eventually did full service after building a trust with clients.  The club had significant legal problems ad shut down.  If anyone knows any of the girls that worked there and they are still providing, pls private message me. One lady that worked there, advertises on TER occassionally.

My 2 favorites where Tracey and Pam.  Pam was working at an agency called Passion Paradise that worked out of houses and condo's.  She went indy and I saw her a lot at the Broadway and at her apt.  She was a mix of Hawiaan and Asian and Latina.  She got implants and was beautiful and had a killer body and personality and provided great service.  I would luv to see her again.  She is probably in her late 40's by now.

Tracey was about 20 yrs old when I first saw her in the mid 90's.  She would be about mid 30's by now . She does not provide anymore.  She also got implants and had a killer body as well as a great provider. I use to see her privately after leaving the Broadway.

I also have been going to Mandela Center in Newton since 1990 and it is a great rub and tub as well.  Very professional, the girls are older and only provided limit extra's but always give a killer massage with a very sensual release.

I also use to travel to the place in Kittery, ME called the Danish Health Club.  The place was wild and it also closed due to legal problems.

Hahaha,

Way back in the olden times when I was a young provider, I used to work at the Danish in Maine. I also worked for one in Everett that was run by a girl but for the life of me I can't remember the name or it.  

Jill

The Danish in Kittery! With the boat ride option?

Wow what a place too bad there were no Zumba lessons in Maine back then