This topic was covered ad nauseum about 2 weeks ago. Myself included. Many most felt DKF & BBBJ were the baseline, while many felt BBBJ wasn't mandatory to create a GF Experience. I concur with both.

However, if a provider doesn't offer BBBJ, I believe that, at minimum, a CBJ should be mentioned in the About You or Service tabs so one knows what to EXPECT. "Safe" doesn't tell me enough.  

In the past, I have known more than one CBJ lady that offered anal.

Go figure.  
 

DFK
DATY
BBBJ  
CIM optional at the ladies discretion
MSOG

END OF MESSAGE

Chemistry begins with the right attitude going in. Nothing better than feeling that first spark when you meet. The passion builds from there. Nothing better than when she feels it to. Even if it's just for the session. Built many a relationships over the years.  And I said to myself. What a wonderful world

So true my dear

Although this is asked at least once a week and vigorously debated with no answer being sufficient to everyone.  

Try this:  
Take my money give me a headache about your boss/mother/sister or girlfriends. Pms on average of 10 days a month so you feel fat tired bloated and ugly then ask me if you look fat. Then provider mediocre sex with little effort and you are  providing true gfe

It is interesting to me that no providers have chimed in yet, so I guess I will weigh in here.

Of course my definition is predominantly in keeping with some of what has been said above, and doesn't gear towards acronyms of the strict "definition" of the largely overused term. Certainly I can list what a gfe experience should include (i.e. LFK, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc.) but a provider can offer all of these individual "services" and still not be GFE. Therefore, it seems to me at least, that a genuine GFE experience is far more than just the sum of the actions taking place therein.

A real GFE experience is about the provider's mindset and is evidence of how she feels about participating in the hobby. Does she really enjoy meeting new friends and spending time with hobbyists? Well, if so, then she will be a GFE provider because she will not be watching the clock or counting the donation or scheduling back to back "suitors".

Instead, she will approach each encounter with enthusiasm and a genuine desire to please that goes beyond a desire for a positive review and a repeat client. The accommodating and excited stance she takes will have more to do with her desire to build a relationship and experience MUTUAL pleasure.

Now this is just my opinion but I very carefully choose who I spend time with and only see those I am confident I will enjoy being around: if I meet with the hobbyists and potential clients I find most interesting and attractive from our initial preliminary correspondence, it is far more likely that the experience will be one of shared interest and will be positive and memorable for us both, leaving us at the end eager for the next time we can meet.

I am interested to see what other providers have to say about this, but I am confident that ladies will agree that hobbyists do play a role in the provider's being true GFE of not. If a friend treats us with respect and desire to build a relationship (be it for just one session or longer) and pays attention to what we are saying (both with our language and our body cues), it makes it much easier for the provider to act a real girlfriend might. In other words, if you act like a boyfriend and are nice and thoughtful, well, we will be much more inclined to "be your girlfriend" for the time we spend together.

After that the rest just falls in place naturally.

I have said it before and it seems I will say it again.  Many years ago, there was a hohhyist by the name of St. Bart.  He MAY or MAY NOT have actually coined the term GFE.  Those that are better with the search modes can probably better answer this aspect.  He published a "to do" list of the activities to be called GFE.  Whether or not a "connection" is formed is purely subjective and cannot be expected at all times.  Obviously, cleanliness aside, this list can be reasonably expected to be "hit" with a visit to a provider.  TER uses a form of this with their point system--but it is not an exact science.  IMHO this subject is best discussed with the BP ladies who state or imply GFE and simply are not even close.  Those that are really bored and read my reviews will often see the phrase "she seemed to actually want to be there", or, something to that effect.  Can this be included in GFE?  Once again, I think not, it is subjective.  Will it make me want to revisit?  Of course it does.  Does it have a tendancy to increase point values in reviews?  Most definately, hence the need for St Bart.

Makes sense to me.

Mj

... blacklisted numerous times to boot .. Go away please.... k thx .

Long time ago, even before I had my first handle here on TER which was around 2000 or so.  St Bart had "retired" before my appearance on the scene. but, The St Bart scale was included in most, if not all reviews and commentary.

Was just kidding ... Not related to providers just the real girlfriend experience

I offer no opinion on the use of the scale, but for historical purposes this is how us we learned it in hobby school (a long, long time ago

Bart's GFE Scale

100% GFE = DFK, DATY, and BBBJ!
100% GFE+ = all the above plus BBBJTC!
100% GFE++ = all the above plus CIM!
100% GFE+++ = all the above plus swallows!
100% GFE++++ = all the above plus Greek!  


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Thanks, I do remember some of this.  I also remember Jill at RS catching some flack some time ago putting GFE+ on the models bio section.  Perhaps this was Jill's reference to the St Bart scale.  I am not sure, but, it seems to make sense now.

The more + the merrier, that's for sure!

With out a doubt the St Barts Scale first line is what I would fined acceptable for the GFE experience with a provider. Iv never had a regular GF that didn't DFK or allow DATY or give me a BBBJ . As far as the other 4 lines that's for the masters of the program . IMHO

Where does PSE come in then? Isn't the latter (GFE++++) equivalent to PSE, or is PSE something more?

I know i am posting a little late here, but hopefully somebody can help me out with this.

I can't think of anything else to add.  As to my experiences, I've never done greek.  I've licked a girl's ass before and stuck my finger back there.