Does anyone disagree. Read so many reviews recently where a Lady only offers CBJ and in the review she is called GFE.  
Tony

If she is welcoming, affectionate, passionate and makes you forget (or almost forget) that it's a transactional encounter, that to me is GFE.  CBJ  wouldn't/ shouldn't factor in.

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not how many services is she proforming.

I've never considered a specific procedure the litmus test for gfe and it's definitely all about how much fun the session is. TER however last I checked begs to differ and even will limit your ability to grade performance higher that 8 if CBj is the standard.
For me I'd prefer a CBj and dfk to bbbj with Lfk as dfk is what makes it more gfe. But rules is rules

I had an ATF who was tooooo safe. Loved her to death. Everything else was otherworldly ... still to this day, no one has even come close to approaching her passion. CBJ and no DATY ..
 go figure .... miss having the $$$ from my glory days.  
But I'll NEVER forget her

That's what makes this forum REAL!  
Within its rules, we can still declare our true preferences.
Nicely put Papi ...

♡

Looking back on my high school and college days, I can't remember ever suiting up for a BJ, but I'm sure some would say that was the old days. Today, everyone needs to play safe, and as much as I don't like latex, or any other wrapper, it only makes sense to be covered…girl friend or not.

To mrfisher and Papidog I strongly disagree!

CBJ is absolutely not GFE. As a matter of fact it's a deal breaker for me.

Many ladies love this argument because the letters GFE are critical to their business. I've met Nicole and she's a very nice person but it's no surprise that she embraces this concept.  

As far as I'm concerned, calling yourself GFE but not offering BBBJ is false advertising. I understand that there are exceptions like mrfisher and papidog but the vast, vast majority of the hobbying world subscribes to this definition.

Unfortunately ladies it's the guys who are laying out the cash so it's the guys opinion that matters.

As a very wise man once said "money talks and bullshit walks".

This is what the other board out in Philly considers the definition of GFE.

I offer bbbj   so that blows your theory about me and my services.

the opinion on this for me was GFE is NOT about services but rather service.

Its a state of mind and way looking at things...

you dont have to like me but if you got a cbj from me...that says more about you than me I reserve that service for someone I deem not so clean. If I dont want your dick in my mouth uncovered I am probably wishing I was any place else other than in that session and cant wait for it to be over.
We have all had that client who we will never see again...sounds like that might be you.
For everyone else I am GFE...

Perfectly stated Ann.
Tony.

While I am not the source and am not 100% sure of the entire history; there was a hobbyist named St. Bart.  Said hobbyist published a list of "activities" which should be defined as GFE.  Those much better with search missions can probably pull up the original posting.  I have read the  St Bart posting and agree wholeheartedly, a cbj is a minus on the GFE scale.  Obviously, every provider needs to follow their own rules, but, don't say GFE and not provide the service.

Yes, the emotional aspects mentioned here are also greatly appreciated.  In my reviews I often include the sentence "she actually seems to want to be there", or, "is concerned with your experience."  These attributes greatly enhance my experience and greatly increase the chances for a return engagement, but, they do not define GFE.

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Wow, I never said what you did or didn't offer. As a matter of fact I made it a point to say you were a nice person (maybe I should rethink that). What I said was that having met you it doesn't surprise me that you would embrace the concept. I guess it's more of vibe I got.

Now you're in attack mode and I'm unclean - interesting jump.

This is your opinion which is fine, but not fact.     Whether an encounter is considered a Girl Friend Experience is up to the individual hobbyist, and is not tied to a checklist of specific services that may have been provided.  It is an "Experience" which is subjective to each individual hobbyist

You agree with the list some hobbyist created and that is certainly your right and opinion.  But because some hobbyist created a list does that make it the gospel truth and absolute standard ?  No it was simply his opinion.

What are these reviews for?  Aren't they to provide objective information to guys . . . Board members?  The whole idea of TER would be useless if it doesn't add predictability and objective - not subjective - measures of the actual and specific services a lady provides, right?

Some ladies will treat a fella extra-special because she's having a good day.  Some ladies will treat a fella extra-special because he's a repeat client.  Some ladies will treat a fella extra-special because he reminds her of an old boyfriend.

If we define "GFE" to mean nothing more than "she acted TOWARD ME like a girlfriend," then none of us know how the lady is going to act towards us individually.  That's not the kind of thing that's predictable or objectively measurable for a future client.  A clerk at Walmart can be nice one day and grumpy the next; presumably they're usually nice or else they'll get fired.

I can almost see defining deep kissing as GFE - but for most of us (I'd bet the poll would support this!), we're more interested in knowing whether BBBJ is available rather than whether the provider is willing to let us stick our tongues in her mouth.  I think most of us fork over the donation for the GFE (Genital-Friendly Experience), and nothing is more friendly that oral without a cover.

Whether a lady offers oral WITH a cover or WITHOUT a cover is usually an actual policy of hers that applies to all guys (except unhygienic visitors).  It's a binary condition: either she does it or she doesn't.  Calling the experience GFE or not GFE provides actual information, which is the point of these reviews.

Calling a visit "GFE" or "not GFE" based on whether deep kissing is allowed or whether the lady is warm towards us is not only vague and hard to quantify, it's also repetitive - redundant.  That information is ALREADY covered in the narrative description and also in the performance rating.  If a lady acts coldly and detached toward us, she gets a low grade for performance and we describe her attitude in the narrative.

If a fella wants to search out only those providers who offered the uncovered oral experience, that's what GFE was meant for.

Finally, I'm not saying that a warm provider who lets a guy tongue-kiss her isn't offering the kind of experience that a girlfriend might offer (although most of our girlfriends probably haven't been with four other guys before seeing us, right?).  But we need to limit the use of "GFE" to mean one specific, measurable, predictable act, and not have it apply to a whole lot of mushy stuff that means different things to different clients.  It benefits certain providers to describe their menu as including GFE even when they insist on a cover for oral; it doesn't help clients looking for a provider who provides BBBJ.

The rest of it?  How nicely the lady treats you and all?  Well, she should say that in her ad anyway . . . and they all do, right?  How many ads say, "Come visit me and spend time with a detached, mechanical blow-up doll?"  They don't.  So a lady who promises that she's GFE must mean something more helpful than just, "I'm going to treat you warmly.

Holy hand job batman!   Meet me at a Showcase Cinemas for a movie and an HJ and that WOULD GFE too...but since that was in middle school I have changed my perception!   I think a poll is needed to see how many guys got CBJ from girlfriends, f$%k buddies, or after hour hookups.  I am at zero.... now for the PE (provider experience), that's a different story.

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I respect your opinion but I still I am still  unconvinced that specific acts determines whether a provider is GFE or not.  Some would argue that vaginal or anal sex with condoms isn't "GFE" because in real life most wouldn't uses them with a girlfriend;but in this arena has you are well aware, boundaries are necessary .
Also, what about PSE providers?  Many do BBJ but are not considered GFE. I'd be interested in your opinion on that.

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Do while I agree with Mr Fisher and others about the GFE Total Experience, sans BBBJ, those who expect a bbbj because a provider claims to be GFE should be awarded thusly.  
TER does set parameters, (or we reset them?) so we know what to expect when we make our choices. Totally fair.  
When we accept CBJ because the Total Experience is so awesome, then we make THAT choice and evaluate differently.  
I know that I have been extremely disappointed when I learn about getting a bbbj when visiting a GFE for the 1st time, because if the overall experience is not worthy of a good review, the bbbj can at least satiate my loins!
And finally, I'll take a great CBJ with passion over a lousy bbbj anytime. Nothing is worse than a lousy bj, even a lousy fuck.

First, let me please ask about you darling. Covered or bbbj?

Secondly, do you offer a bbtf? LOL

I feel the same way, I assume GFE is BBBJ, but I don't get hung up on it, either. I don't really care about cbj either way.  

I can see another side, too, for example, Kimberly from After Dark is CBJ, but I'd have hard time saying she isn't gfe anyway.

Agrid, I believe that you have just opened a door not many would have likely opened
I am hoping that you were speaking of another Nicole as the one that responded has been the best connection I've made since I have started. Sincerely Disappointment Iman  

This St Bart character MAY have coined the term GFE.  If I am correct, then, yes, his opinion is the gold standard.  And, yes, I agree with him

your left handed compliment....
Ive met Nicole shes nice BUT I can see why she would embrace this concept.
Then to go on and state guys have the money their opinion is what matters...
sounds to me like you were dissing me.

Im nice yet Im not goona be pushed around...

you implied.


AND anyone who gets a cbj from a gal who usually offers BBBJ I would guess shes not comfortable with him...for what ever reason smelly unclean yucky what ever. It happens.

I dont know you so I cant say you or not you are an alias...

If you're referring to me, I prefer BBBJ (hate the taste of latex) but I don't believe that is what makes me GFE.

I'm not sure why it matters what a provider states on their advertising.  I mean when dealing with providers who is nieve enough to believe what a provider states on their advertising ?  That is why we have reviews.  And if someone reads through the reviews they will get a pretty accurate idea of what services a provider actually provides.  If you dont like those services then dont see her.   And when it comes to the 15 or 30 minute sessions with a backpage provider with no reviews, I certainly wouldnt believe anything in their ads.  

Not sure why the focus on what Gfe means....what does it really matter ?  Just reference the reviews to see what a provider does.     Its just another of the many anacronyms in this business that are open to different interpretations

I certainly prefer my GFE if comes with a BBJ, but I have seen several gals I would consider GFE that were CBJ only.

If I'm the customer then it's a consensus of one..it's my experience & whether another provider or gent considers it gfe is irrelevant because if I felt like she was my girlfriend for an hour or two then that was my experience. I usually practiced safe sex when I was single and sometimes got blown with a rubber while fooling around with my girlfriend..hence that was my girlfriend experience. $30 hookers in the zone in 1980 when I was a young lad would blow you in the car without a rubber and even many were cim that spit so that definition is so off to me. I never saw a hooker dfk a customer or even knew any of my friends that wanted that and we were down Lagrange street as youngster plenty. The term is misused because a triple b certainly should not be the the boundary for a review score or experience.

Guys, we're the ones who set the terms here. Obviously those ladies that want to be considered GFEs but don't want to fit into the criteria would try to water the term down because not being GFE would inevitably affect her business.  

I see enough reviews when hobbyists say things like: "I can't call her GFE because she only does CBJ" or "...doesn't use her tongue when kisses" or something similar to know that a rule of thumb in order to be called GFE includes BBBJ and DFK.  When I write my reviews, that's my rule of thumb too.  

Now, I'm sure there are very warm ladies out there who still don't go BB with oral but I know that usually CBJ would more then likely also lead to "no kissing" and to some other "no"'s. And I don't know about other hobbyists but I personally look for the ladies with fewest amount of "No"s possible. In my opinion, even if I'm not looking for some particular service the fact that a girl offers it would increase my chances of receiving quality service which may reflect itself in some other ways, thus getting her closer to Girl-friend experience

I'm GFE but have reviews stating I don't dfk (no really, it's you not me..or er um)
I've done cbj and on occasion I've just declined.

Nicole is dead on, if it's in her reviews she does but with you she won't…it's you.
If it's in her reviews she doesn't than move on. You don't define anything. You can post and repost but you know what they say about opinions and assholes. Realize you only have the former and avoid being the latter.

A GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE is when you are dating a female and she's already starting to control your life.  She dictates who your friends will be, when you can hang with them, what you can do, how much freedom you have and whether or not you'll even get laid tonight.

A GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE is something that costs you a lot more than $350 or $450 or even $1000.  

A GIRL FREIND EXPERIENCE is when you've lost your Dick, and in the words of the late great comedian Sam Kinison, she takes your balls and puts them in a jar, and you have to beg to get them back to go out for a night with the guys.

A GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE has nothing to do with a CBJ or BBBJ, because be real here.   GF's don't give BJ period!

A GFE is a state of mind.  If you feel comfortable with the woman, she is comfortable with you and the time spent together is enjoyable, its fun and ends up with both of you having a fun time then that's an Experience you wish your GF was like.

Why is it I feel this entire discussion thread has more to do with guys wanting to dictate how and whether a provider services a guy and less to do with enjoying the "experience"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXPd0fnpKw

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While I understand the need for objectivity, in this case I think it's hard to define.  I prefer BBBJ (duh!) but a couple of my very best experiences in the hobby have been CBJ.  (I think it was their policy, not me in particular!)  Of course in those cases it was only a small part of the overall experience.  Frankly any BJ is GFE to me!!

I think that is exactly what this thread is about....i.e. "you said you were GFE, so now I want and expect this, and this, and this, and this, etc"

What difference does it make what GFE means or how different people interpret it ??????

Read the Reviews and you will know what your are likely to get.  But there are no guarantees and there shouldn't be.   The provider may feel a particular hobbyist is a complete moron,  or too rough, or too abusive/degrading, etc

The TER rating system uses numerical ratings for looks and performance.  If everyone agreed on how attractive a body style was then the numbers should be very close.  The same goes for performance.

I am afraid no matter your protestations; GFE will still be in the mind of those involved in the session

....in the entire date (mechanical/not so present) therefore lacking on the "experience"/atmosphere end of things. She can perform that checklist of services and still suck (and not in a good way).  
But keeping it strictly on topic of blowjobs I've never suited an actual bf for one. So GFE can't be one without the other (services + atmosphere/personality).

the comfort level and level of Passion and sensuality is a two way street.

A lot of things come into play and can hinder or enhance a session. Aggression body odor too forceful
many things can change the tone from one client to another.

The way the session goes is in the hands of both ppl involved.
Paying me doesnt allow you to leave your manners at home.

At the same time a lot can go very right it could be a total click and a great time for both ppl

So last March when it was time to have my taxes done I called a lady I found on line.

I asked "Are you a CPA?".

She responded, "Honey, don't get all hung up on titles, I have a very pleasant phone voice and my penmanship is excellent. On top of that I'm a good listener and I would never rush you out if I haven't answered all of your questions. You'll enjoy dealing with me".

I felt so phony and shallow after that. It's just an acronym after all.

I received numerous PM's in support of my GFE posts - I wonder how they'll feel about this???
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Having met the lovely Vivian, there is no doubt that she is GFE.  To me, its the providers that specify no kissing on the lips that are definitely not GFE.  With others, I agree it depends on the experience not specific actions.