Why would this post be removed that a gentlman posted earlier this morning.This post is totally open to discussion for 2 reasons.1 you approved the post for discussion and 2 the ladies here need to know that every avenue of discretion may have to be revisited for thier own saftey and for others.I dont get it,

without outing personal and specific information of the SP.

She's already going thru legal issues. We as a community should be supporting her not outing her. There's no need to leave her to the vultures and kick her while she is down.

We can openly discuss what precautions should be taken. We should be watching out for each other.

That's just my 10c.

She has already been outed by the Salem News. I understand that the person in question is a frequent poster and part of this community.  I am against what the police and media have done.  But deleting references to the incident means that people who don't check the board every few hours missed some important facts.

- A provider who frequently posts on this board was arrested in Salem.
- She apparently did not get provider references, but accepted a phony work reference.
- According to police, she discussed sex acts for money.  This seems odd to me, as most providers will not do this under any circumstances.  If she did this with someone she had never met before, she was not being careful at all.
- She was hosting incall in an apartment she had rented.
- Police got an "anonymous complaint".  It is impossible to know what this means, but she could have been outed by a neighbor or anyone with a grudge against her.

People can draw their own conclusions but I will continue to avoid private incalls in small towns.  Make no mistake, Salem is a small town, where the police have a history of this kind of thing.  Google "prostitution arrest Salem" and you get incidents from 2006, 2007 and 2008.  Other search terms will undoubtedly pull up this latest incident.



filmat11

I didn't see the earlier post but you just told me everything I need to know.  Renting an in call or seeing people in your residence is asking for trouble. No amount of screening will ever prevent a nosy or upset neighbor from causing trouble.

I don't really need to know the lady's name. If I where to inquire about seeing her I would end all interest as soon as she told me that she didn't work out of hotels.

It's sad that a regular poster here on TER got busted but it sounds like she took a few too many chances in what is currently not a very forgiving environment for the hobby.

DVNYC,i am glad you posted this,i just really thought the other ladies should know what had happened and to make sure thier discretion is doubled,maybe tripled to protect themselves and others.Thanks again.

I've been renting a condo for my incall the entire time I've been in this lifestyle, and thus far I've felt a lot more comfortable doing so than if I were using a hotel full of maids, bellhops, and nosy front desk staff with too much time on their hands.

How does this work?
1) You're careful in selecting the place you rent. (This aspect alone has many factors I would rather not go into on a public board.)
2) You keep yourself low volume. Outcalls also help reduce the number of days you are actually at your incall, thus reducing the overall visible traffic.
3) Screen, Screen, Screen
4) There are a few other methods, but again I'd prefer not to list some things on a public board.

Personally, I would only consider renting/using an incall apartment in a larger city, where people tend to keep more to themselves, but I cannot pass any sort of judgement on a lady renting a place in a smaller town, as it is something I have absolutely no experience with.

Now, will I be using a hotel when I come to Boston in November? Yes. Will I be hella nervous about using a hotel? Absolutely. (Fortunately, I can play a good enough straight face that the hotel staff will never notice the difference.) Would you find me using an apartment in Boston if I knew of a safe one to rent? You bet your cute little ass you would.

I have my preferences but obviously every provider has a comfort zone as well.  All of your precautions make a lot of sense.  You will be fine in downtown Boston as long as you stick with the bigger hotels with busy lobbies...but something tells me you already know that!

Have a great time in Boston and stay safe!

It's Salem.  Remember their past.  She's lucky they didn't submerge her to see if she was a provider, and then arrest her if she survived.

hey sorry if i new  i would have just put the link.

I have to disagree with you.

Complete insanity to have a static incall.  You think guys don't talk or nobody notices?  It is alot harder to hit a moving target.  With all the media attention these days all it takes is a neighbor seeing 2 different gentlemen visit you and they will figure it out quickly.

I agree with you on some points, but screening well does not cover all the bases.

Personally I believe hosting at a public venue with my one gent per location per day rule is safer, but of course everyone has to do what is best for them. (I also have the business woman thing down because that is my real background)

I can't see how one can truly be low volume and afford to cover the rent without living there, and living there and seeing men is a problem waiting to happen.  Outcalls helps support the incall, but why bother having an incall location when you are paying for a place when you're not there?  Just doesn't make sense since the ROI wouldn't be worth the trouble.

I still can't figure out why guys go to static incalls or subject themselves to revolving door situations.

I do feel really bad for this lady though.  Like there isn't anything else these cops could be doing to keep Salem safe.  I hope this cop got an extra donut for his outstanding community service.

Be safe all.

KJB

"According to police, she discussed sex acts for money.  This seems odd to me, as most providers will not do this under any circumstances.  If she did this with someone she had never met before, she was not being careful at all."

You should always remember that cops lie. That is not cop bashing, just a reminder of the way things work. Cops will say whatever,and worry about it holding up later.

Let's pretend an incall apartment is 1000 a month. Hell, lets make it fun and pretend it's 1500 a month. Divide that by 30. So, my dear, are you hosting your gentlemen at pay by the hour roadside motels, because last I checked, you aren't getting a better deal that 50 a day (and again, that's with the hypothetical 1500 a month rent).

I can assure you that I successfully maintain my incall location (which is very much separate from my personal location), visit with less than one gentleman a day, and still manage to live quite comfortably. Someone on the general board coined the term "low volume heavy hitters."

I'm sorry, but having a business background is no assurance of being a successful individual in business. I give you all the respect in the world for your involvement in this lifestyle, as it can be quite challenging, but I will call you out when you provide strong evidence that you aren't thinking before you open your mouth.

If you wish to continue this, please feel free to email me. I am genuinely more than happy to explain (fully away from TER) how to safely maintain an incall apartment or condo.

no one has mentioned one of the biggest issues concerning LOB's bust. That is the fact that her computer has been confiscated with her customer list. Unless I have totally missed something, screening requires a real name(and more), to be verified by id at beginning of session. This info  could be made public by the police. I had understood that the proper protocol is for the provider to delete info after verification. I think this puts a whole new and very dangerous perspective on the hobby and verification procedures.

I just cant even begin to believe this really happened,there is more to the story.I just cant see the the LE go to this extent.I think they should put as much effort into the safety of our children.

The provider was one single person, who obviously didn't screen as much or as well as we all thought.

Her "records" if there even are any, are likely to be the virtual equivalent of scribble and worthless to Salem town police.  They weren't looking to take down an operation, just her.

If you haven't noticed, the police in New England are seldom interested in the clients who patronize escorts; their attention is nearly always squarely situated on the backs of providers.  They didn't use her to set up clients, they didn't use her known incall location to lure anyone and they didn't use her name or "references' to even grab other providers while they were at it.  They had a complaint, investigated it and went in for the kill on her.

Customer lists are publicized (or threatened to be publicized) typically when a major interstate service and the state police / Feds are involved (and even then its seldom that it actually happens, with only the events in Phoenix recently coming to mind).

Nothing is new post-Salem bust.  If its made you aware of the possibilities RE your information, that's a good thing.
If you or anyone else has fears about verification, information left on machines up for grabs by the police I suggest you and others invest energy in being set up on a third party verification site.

"You should always remember that cops lie."

Thus I was careful to say "according to police" and "if she did this".  I was not there and all I know about it was what was written in the local news report.  As I said, it seems odd for an experienced provider to be so careless or to be fooled into agreeing to something illegal.  Either the police or the reporter could have distorted the facts.  Hope she has a good lawyer.


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