And all these guys that were stopped coming out of those apartments could have avoided all of this by saying “ am I. Ring detained or am I free to go”.
And always remember. In Massachusetts, if you are walking down the sidewalk, you do not have to show ID if asked. Only if you’re lawfully arrested do you have to ID. Some states require to show an ID if they have reasonable, articulable suspicion a crime has been committed, is being committed, or about to be committed. Not in Mass. They have to have you actually under arrest for a crime before you are required to ID.
Again, I don’t answer questions, am I free to go?
Website was just seized by the police. Anyone have any more info on this?
I always though that they might get away with their business by only speaking korean with the escorts, making it hard to crack their identity. However, with a paper trail of rented apartments and collecting money from the escorts, they probably were easy to track down.
Interesting that they were seized by the feds and not a state or local police authority. Perhaps they had a chain of escort sites across multiple cities.
Leave us hobbyists alone!
Three individuals were arrested by the Feds for allegedly helping to operate a high-end brothel network in MA and VA. More details coming at a press conference at the Federal Courthouse in Boston today.
It's absurd that this activity isn't decriminalized, taxed, workers free to make their own employment choices, and consumers allowed the right to pursue consensual personal services. Let the marketplace decide their economic value and their place in society not the government or organized religion. Unfortunately, that will never happen in this religiously puritanical and overly criminalized county.
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As the prophet Carlin said, "Selling is legal, fucking is legal, so why isn't selling fucking legal?"
I'm surprised it took this long. Boston has numerous past kgirl agencies that got busted. Perhaps best to not risk it with the inevitable replacements that have and will pop up.
This is the best site for info, especially since it has the full affidavit attached. Which is chokful of info and even has dl pics.
I always read these investigation docs to get an insight on how they conduct the investigation.
Something that struck me skimming thru the doc - they interviewed twenty buyers. Id hope (well I don't actually wish they were) that all of them were actually arrested because if they talked to Leo's just out of fear, smh.
They even instructed some dude to make an appointment and cancel it last minute.
I don’t think they were arresting them. The document notes they were tracking movements of guys going into the target apartments and leaving after an hour, then approaching them.
The investigation started when a defendant about to be sentenced on federal charges volunteered info on BTT in exchange for a lighter sentence.
Yea and so when they were approached - hopefully not while the clients were in a motor vehicle - they should never have talked to the cops. In California no one even has to identify themselves to cops if they aren't under arrest.
If the buyers are offered immunity for the testimony they don't really have much of an alternative but testify in front of a grand jury. From what I have been told a similar thing happened in the Emperor's Club VIP case of Elliot Spitzer fame. Workers and Clients are given immunity to testify against the managers and owners.
wonder if LE will go after clients and or publish names and numbers?
That'll be a lot of tax payer money wasted handing out MISDEMEANORS
Probably best to stay away or proceed with extreme caution w/ MAAngels. They can’t be far from either shutting down or getting busted as well.
http://www.maangels.net/ is down, but not showing the “seized” banner that displays when one visits http://bostontopten10.com
I had a feeling ever since BAD went down that I wasn't gonna dip my toes in BTT -- their MO were literally the same. Glad my intuition was right.
Probably had BTT on their radar for awhile and were only waiting on some high profile clients to drop in before they made the catch. Same shit different day.
Wow. I think it is the same that Feds investigated Chloe and Red.
CNN posted a link to the Court Affidavit.
It made National headlines
This is a big deal……
Not seized but gone.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24136515-affidavit-in-brothel-ring-case
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/high-end-brothel-network-arrests/index.html
Names, dates, driver's licenses, credit cards, employment records, job titles.
Anyone who's willing to provide that much personal info is INSANE.
It also referenced they operated multiple websites and that the investigation into the hobbyists was ongoing. States include MA, VA, and CA.
I almost took the plunge...I'm glad in this case that I am a procrastinator! I loved reading all of the great reviews.
Since CC was busted.. i haven't worked with any agency.
It's only a matter of time. Low hanging fruit for LEO.
If I were approached by a cop on the way out:
1) I could refuse to identify myself, but that could cause some nasty behavior by the cops
2) I would tell them I couldn't talk to them until I spoke to my lawyer. They would probably move on to low hanging fruit rather than wait for a call from my lawyer, who might conveniently be away on vacation!
I heard this morning on CNN that one of the things that Korean girls did was to spy on America with their military and government clients with top secret clearance.
I'm thinking... the girls must've been transferring top secret info to their relatives in North Korea which would forward it over. I could just picture Putin or Xi getting the top secret BTT folder dropped on their desk and exclaiming "Aha America! I got you now!' lmao.
This is getting too absurd to be real. I think we should just all stop paying taxes. All of us, together, like going on strike lmao
i think you may have misunderstood CNN. I heard them say that LE is afraid some of the girls MIGHT black mail the men to get government secrets. They also mentioned the girls being COERCED. This is all bullshit aimed at keeping people thinking their all coerced because most americans believe this bs.
When is the last time any of you were black mailed or attempted black mail by an escort that has been reviewed
That may be, but they were talking of possible charges of espionage so... absurd you know. CherryDD uses her DDs to get all you know of Los Alamos. I mean... yeah.
Blackmailed not too long ago frankly.. by a well reviewed escort.. now labeled as a rip off
So.. it does happen
Quoting a news article
"But who those sex buyers were remained a mystery on Thursday. Federal authorities were mum on the subject at the news conference, saying that any arrests for the purchase of sex would happen at the state level — the three people charged this week are accused of violating federal sex trafficking law."
Fed's are basically punting to the state knowing full well they don't arrest people for solicitation in MA. You get a court summons to the Magistrate if they have anything on you. So no, no one is going to be walking up to your house or workplace and haul you away in cuffs. You're going to get something in the mail if at all. Solicitation charges are hard to convict in MA because the burden of proof is so high and on the state to make the case.
Don't they also have to catch you in the act?
only see well reviewed and legit independent providers - and support them regularly! best times I have had in the hobby are with those i saw regularly - really got to know them, no trafficking exposure, and its all good....everyone is happy
Looks like KGFE is scared as their website is locked down
And MAANGELS. I hope they return in some form or another.
Due to this event, I would like to address some concerns and issues. I know some of you might be afraid to get back into seeing a provider or a provider from an agency.
Boston International came into existence -20years ago to be exact. Before that I've had my share of run-ins with the law, mainly due to hosting in an apartment with four girls working at a time, leading to a lot of foot traffic. That's what got me into trouble. I was also caught picking up money from someone while posting on Craigslist.
Did those experiences make me smarter than other agencies? Not necessarily, but they did teach me valuable lessons about running a business. I learnt what not to do and how to avoid making the same mistakes. Now that I am older, a happily married woman and a mother, safety has become my top priority, both for my family and for my clients.
I have put several measures in place to ensure our safety. Our website is host outside of the US. Those of you that knows me, knows that I am not in the US. And I don't allow the girls to meet each other to avoid drama and I move them every 2 to 3 days. I use a hosting company outside of US jurisdiction and the email has been changed. My phone line is VOIP, and I always use a VPN, and I don't keep a black book. And also my phone staff are not in the US.
What can you expect from this agency? Privacy and trust.
I promise to continue to provide the excellent service that you have come to expect from me and my staff.
Thank you for being our loyal customers. We look forward to serving you for many more years to come.
I noticed in the television news reports that they also showed the P411 website. Should P411 members be concerned?
They are outside of the jurisdiction of the US
P411 has been known to cooperate with LE in the past. And there is little to no doubt that those cooperating are giving up their credentials in exchange for freedom. I would not be surprised if providers located or touring the NE Corridor who allow P411 as the sole method for screening to either 1) stop using it entirely for a while or 2) require more stringent screening for a long while.
I would never trust p411 to verify potential new friends because they have never done criminal background checks for our safety. Vetting is essential to us independent providers. I have never trusted an okay from a provider that I did not know personally. I always thought it was cool to know providers & hobbyist personally because word of mouth referrals from personal friends are the absolute best.
So I am wondering, how has BI managed to never get busted?
Here are the measures I implemented to protect my agency:
*Non-physical location: avoid having a fixed location like an apartment, which can make you an easy target.
*Website hosted outside the US: I enhance privacy and reduce potential legal complications.
*To minimize drama and conflicts, I have made it a policy for the girls in my agency not to meet each other.
*Regular relocation: Moving the girls every 2 to 3 days
*Email and phone number changes: I changed my contact details multiple times already,
*VOIP phone line and VPN: By utilizing a VOIP phone line and always connecting through a VPN,
*Absence of data record: No data are kept
*International phone staff: My phone staff is based outside the US, which reduces risk and potential legal issues.
By implementing these measures, I prioritize the safety of my agency, the clients, and staff, demonstrating a proactive approach to security.
It looks like they will onlt be going against those that they caught after escort visits. I don't think they can publish the whole list, since they have no proof that the other clients (like me) visited and partook of their services.
On the other hand, someone pointed out that in MA a client cannot be charged unless they are caught in the act. Maybe there are other charges they can bring.
Since I will be only one out of 100s who might be doxed, and since I am not a high ranking goverment official or military officer, I think (hope) it will not cause me excessive torment.
Stop doom and glooming - agency busts happen and you will be fine if you don’t say anything
Just hoping they don't publicize the entire "Johns" list with photo's of ID's, etc... That would cause some serious issues for a lot of us...
If one never used either of those agencies, and in fact has never worked with an agency, there is no reason to worry about any of this personally, right? Unfortunately I'm a naturally anxious person...even though I've never seen anyone in Boston nor Tyson's Corner.
The patrons of BTT might be a little nervous right now but it's unlikely even they have criminal exposure. You have nothing to worry about unless the Thought Police are working the case. LOL.
Oh yea, if I'd be you I'd be concerned big time! I used them so I'm not worried at all. Nothing is going to happen to me but if you haven't used BTT then...
1. FEDs know that you haven't used them so now they're going to double their efforts to get you.
2. The Korean mafia never forgets a slight. You used other agencies but BTT wasn't good enough for you. That doesn't sound good. I'd be concerned. When list comes out and you're not on it dude you just might be in trouble.
https://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY?si=1wXOuzMZ0Hq96EvM&t=53
There was another smaller Asian Escort site that immediately closed up shop here as well: maangels.net . Sigh. It may be the case that the feds knew about BostonTop10 for longer than they let on but basically kept it in their back pocket. When you need to make a splash and make it look like you're doing your job, you bust the site and make it appear like you're out there fighting crime. I can't prove that but it would explain why they were able to operate for so many years before anything happened.
Mass & Cass, Housing Crisis, Gun Violence, Drug Addiction Crisis... and this is what the government puts effort and money into. Al Capone was convicted and served time for tax evasion but no other crime.
But he didn't do anything but effed up on his tax returns. The rest are just legends lol
Maybe there are legends about Al cOpone, but Al cApone was Public Enemy No.1 for good reasons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone
But he didn't do anything but effed up on his tax returns. The rest are just legends lol
Another version of Valentine's Day, Chicago 1929 ... Some Like It Hot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTEdWlZwQIY
A federal Homeland Security Investigations task force and the federal Boston US attorney's office are seeking state criminal charges against 28 men accused of buying sex from the now busted BTT agency. These individuals will be summoned to Cambridge District Court for hearings before a magistrate on whether there's probable cause to support criminal charges. If so, criminal referrals will be made to the Massachusetts Middlesex County district attorney's office. What a nightmare for these unfortunate individuals and what a waste of precious judicial resources.
Just to clarify these referrals are technically being done under the auspices of the Cambridge Police Department so blame them as much as the Federal US Attorney's Office.
There is additional reporting on this unfolding story. Officials at the Cambridge District Court have said that each of the 28 individuals will receive a summons to appear before a clerk magistrate for a private "show cause" hearing. Such hearings are typically closed to the public, however state law does allow petition for public access if the circumstances involve "special public significance" and the magistrate rules that legitimate public interest outweighs the accused's right of privacy. According to the reporting if the magistrate finds probable cause and approves the charges, then the person(s) would be arranged and the case would become public. What a nightmare.
According to the clerk magistrate of the Cambridge District Court, closed-door hearings to determine whether to charge 28 individuals accused of paying for sex will be open to the media. The nightmare continues.
The last update I read here said that the Magistrate ruled that the probable cause hearings could be public, effectively outing the 28 mongers mentioned in the federal indictment. Any word on when those hearings are scheduled?
Boston Globe and other outlets petitioned for the show cause hearings to be public...
Stay tuned. The magistrate will decide if there's probable cause to refer these matters to the Middlesex County DA for prosecution. Probable cause means it's more likely than not that a crime has been committed. Hopefully there's nothing inculpatory in the text messages from the 28 individuals or in any written or verbal statements they may have made to LE. Yet another reminder of why you should never put anything incriminating in a text message or e-mail or, under any circumstances, talk to LE.
So have the 28 people been notified yet?
It's unclear if the notification process has started. If it hasn't, it will begin soon.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/probable-cause-hearings-announced-for-alleged-clients-in-mass-brothel-bust-case/3237248/
Dates set, for those 28 people, make sure you have a lawyer no matter what. Best of luck.
I hope after these 28, it’ll all die down and just go away.
I believe the Governor will continue to pursue the agencies as much as possible. She did a small victory lap when she busted Chloe’s operation, several years ago when she was the AG. These type of busts make for candidates to brag about being tough on crime without actually focusing on real criminal problems.
What happened to the Chloe John’s? We’re there many that got prosecuted?
Clerk magistrates hearings allow for both defense lawyers and witnesses(such as say the actual providers working for Boston Top Ten). A savvy defense lawyer could make this a real circus for the police.
I think it's unlikely any BTT models will testify. I think the 'probable cause' case will hinge on testimony from law enforcement that includes incriminating text messages between BTT and clients and inculpatory statements made by clients to police. I think clients who made incriminating statements to law enforcement or to BTT via text will be the ones who are charged and convicted.
Here is a link to the ruling from the Clerk Magistrate in Cambridge.
https://www.nefac.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/wbur-motion-for-access.pdf
While I am not a lawyer I suspect one initial avenue for any of the alleged defendants and there lawyers is to appeal the clerk magistrate's ruling opening the hearings to the public(I am not fully sure this ruling can be appealed but I think it can). If this is the case at a minimum it could delay the whole process for quite a while.
I still question whether or not the US Attorney's Office(which doesn't have direct jurisdiction over state criminal law) has not made an unwise decision essentially trying to publicly browbeat the Middlesex DA into taking dozens of what are basically misdemeanor cases to trial. I think most in Boston legal circles remember the Bob Kraft case in Florida which basically blew up in the face the of the local prosecutors and police who brought it. There are all sorts of unpredictable outcomes if the cases actually go to trial(typically a lot of clerk magistrate hearings end up in favor of the alleged defendant although obviously in this case the fact they are in public makes that somewhat less likely) up to and including the state criminal statute in question being put to a constitutional challenge.
I agree. I think the goal of the AUSA and HSI is to punish the clients if for no other reason than as a deterrent to others. If the District Court clerk magistrate finds sufficient probable cause with some or all of the 28 individuals, there will be public pressure on the Midlesex DA to prosecute these misdemeanors. Hopefully the DA's office will have more serious crimes to pursue than these trivial offenses.
Just goes to show you the value of not incriminating yourself if you get stopped by LE.
If I was to guess. 28 People (at least, I'm sure more got stopped by were smart about keeping quiet) got stopped by LE, panicked when LE dropped the line of 'We know why you are here, so don't lie to us'. Proceeded to incriminate themselves and show their phones linking them to solicitation.
Another scenario is LE stopped people took down their information and called them up the next day and pulled the 'we would like you to come down to the station for a quick conversation' and proceeded to voluntarily stop by the station and confess.
At that point it's a cake walk for any investigator to fill out a Complaint Form along with the Police Report stating that the alleged person committed a crime due to an admission of guilt even though the offense wasn't witnessed by the officer.
Exactly right. Remember this was a Homeland Security Investigations task force. An HSI officer could easily trick a client into confessing and disclosing his text messages because HSI "doesn't care" about prostitution ( that's a state crime after all ) because all HSI cares about is human trafficking and money laundering. Don't be fooled.
Guy, never admit to a crime, never voluntarily surrender your phone, or say anything to law enforcement - you have the right to remain silent and the right to decline a search of your property. All they have at that point is reasonable suspicion and not probable cause. In fact in Massachusetts if you are stopped on the street by police you are not even required to disclose your name unless you are placed under arrest. Just tell the officer you have nothing to say and ask if you are free to go.
I researched a little and it seems that BTT used the canned texts for all the guys listing all the services and their fee's. So if the guy texted back "Ok, BBFS, $400..got it" I mean does that mean he's screwed? In MA solicitation is up to 2 1/2 years in prison and/or up to a $5 grand fine. I can't even imagine being paraded around in court on tv... wow...
In Massachusetts a misdemeanor is punishable by a sentence of no more than 2 1/2 years. However under MGL c.272 s.53A 'Engaging in sexual conduct for a fee' carries a maximum sentence of 1 year and/or a fine of $500. The essence of the law is that whoever engages or pays, agrees to engage or agrees to pay, or offers to engage or offers to pay for sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee has violated this statute. Does that hypothetical text exchange constitute an "agreement" would be an interesting legal argument. It's certainly an acknowledgement and an understanding, but at best it's a tacit agreement. I would like to hope that's not enough to convict because conviction requires guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course if you foolishly admittedly your quilt to law enforcement, then you have convicted yourself. You likely won't go to jail, but you will be fined and publically humiliated.
i believe the statute of limitations for charging solicitation in MA is one year, so presumably the 28 clients they're targeting were more recent customers. if someone did business with BTT back in 2022, i assume they're in the clear.
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one thing we should all keep in mind: people are routinely convicted of crimes based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. a smoking gun isn't absolutely necessary. if prosecutors have text messages between you and a known prostitution organization arranging an appointment with a specific girl at a specific date/time for a specific donation, judges and juries are allowed to make common sensical inferences. if you followed up your appointment with a text saying, "she was great," or anything along those lines, that's evidence you followed through with appointment.
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i believe the statute of limitations for charging solicitation in MA is one year, so presumably the 28 clients they're targeting were more recent customers. if someone did business with BTT back in 2022, i assume they're in the clear.
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one thing we should all keep in mind: people are routinely convicted of crimes based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. a smoking gun isn't absolutely necessary. if prosecutors have text messages between you and a known prostitution organization arranging an appointment with a specific girl at a specific date/time for a specific donation, judges and juries are allowed to make common sensical inferences. if you followed up your appointment with a text saying, "she was great," or anything along those lines, that's evidence you followed through with appointment.
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The way the statute is written the act of soliciting sex for a fee is a violation regardless of whether sex took place or not. I think the text messages could be extremely problematic for a defendant depending on what specifics were exchanged. Unfortunately, because of the high-profile nature of this case, the county District Attorney's office might be more likely to pursue charges because the public spotlight is shining brightly on them. Depending on how a defendant is charged under the statute, the maximum jail penalty is either 1 year or 2 1/2 years so the stakes are high.
I wonder how many divorces and one parent households making it public would trigger basically just for the eff of it. Instead of happy families you'd get at least 3 miserable people.
I wonder what else is going on.
Wow, I thought it was only a handful. Guess I can consider myself fortunate, very sorry for those in a bind. Stay away from agency no matter what they tell us.
Our lesbian Governor(and not because she's lesbian) will pass a bill that will legalize prostitution just like weed, just like gambling. Going forward we will need all the revenue we can get while hotel rooms are getting paid for by the commonwealth. And, just like taxes going up, you'll still get the same services with no updates or upgrades to said services for an exorbitant amount. They will be your dealer, your bookee and sooner or later your pimp. I am glad that I never did the BTT gauntlet of acceptance. I did run thru a short one for one of the others but never used them. Thankfully.
You lost me on the first sentence of your rant. Guess you have dislike against lesbians among other people. Happy Holidays.
I love lesbians, they are quite enthusiastic if you know how to treat a woman.
Received a complaint from Cambridge Court to appear. I'm Really shook up.
Please help with suggestions.
Get a laywer, at this point only they can help you
It has been reported that Boston attorney Ben Urbelis is representing some of those individuals who may be charged. You may want to start with him. This is not an endorsement of him just FYI. Good luck.
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There are a lot of lawyers in the Boston area that, can’t hurt to make calls to multiple ones to get a sense of availability.
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Have been scheduled for January 18, 19, and 22 at Cambridge District Court. If the magistrate finds probable cause, the names of those individuals will be disclosed and their cases referred to the Middlesex District Attorney's office for possible criminal prosecution. Stay tuned. This is going to get ugly.
The press will be at the hearings, so the possibility of these names going public are high even in the cases where probable cause isn’t found and charges aren’t forwarded to the DA.
That type of speculation is unwarranted, unlikely, and unhelpful. Stick to the P&R board where speculation and distain for the mainstream media is currency.
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It’s not speculation. Several local outlets won the right to be at the probable cause hearings.
We all know that the probable cause hearings are open to the public and that the press will be in attendance. However it is pure conjecture on your part that the names of individuals, where no probable cause is found, will be made public by the press. If there's no probable cause found there's no news story value in disclosing their identities. This is a very stressful time for these 28 unfortunate individuals. Let's not give them more to be anxious about.
They do read out a person's name - but beyond that, the pedigree information isn't public unless they find probable cause and those documents get processed and made public in 2/3 days.
So they may say - The Cambridge PD is seeking to bring charges against Robert Kraft.
Then your lawyer confirms the information in a manner that isn't broadcast out in the open.
Suffice it to say, there's more than one Robert Kraft in Mass. So unless the press decides to follow you home, it pretty much ends there if no Probable Cause is found
Moral of the story? Don't talk to LE, Don't Comment to the Press.
https://www.mass.gov/doc/district-court-standards-of-judicial-practice-the-complaint-procedure/download - Page 46
Correct. If there's been no arrest and no finding of probable cause there is no journalistic or societal value in publishing a name. Such individuals are not accused of wrongdoing and reporting their names would likely result in litigation against the media.
The plot thickens
https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17/mass-sjc-delays-hearing-commercial-sex-ring-brothel
In reality, all this does is stop the clock. If I had to guess, the petition for access to the applications will be denied with prejudice and the hearings will be rescheduled.
Media petitioned for the exact reason I stated before - No pedigree information makes the hearings a waste of time for them. But I’m with the Clerks/Attorneys on this one, hearings are public so the public interest is served. Just because you don’t have access to the secret sauce is irrelevant.
One consequence of this action by the media is that by delaying the process it actually make it slightly less likely that any probably cause will be found in the cases and/or they ever go to arraignment and trial. Time is on the side of the defendants to the extent any of the cases rely on eyewitness testimony.
So here's what is happening. WBUR and the Boston Globe jointly petitioned the Supreme Judicial Court requesting release of the documents that identify the 28 individuals facing probable cause hearings. Presumably the media would then make those names public. Ugh. Lawyers for 13 of the 28 individuals, the clerk-magistrate of the Cambridge District Court, and the Association of Magistrates and Trial-Clerks have filed objections to disclosing those 'applications for criminal complaints' that identify the 28 individuals. Further, defense lawyers have argued to the SJC that the probable cause hearings should be kept private. As one defense attorney has opined public hearings are "All about public humiliation and shaming. I think that is wrong". I agree. The probable cause hearings are delayed until the SJC makes determinations. Let's all hope that the privacy of these unfortunate individuals is maintained at least until such time as probable cause is adjudicated. Personally, I think names should not be publicly disclosed, even if probable cause is found, until the individuals are actually arrested and formally charged and hopefully that will never happen.
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https://www.mass.gov/doc/trustees-of...13551/download
tl;dr - Show Cause Hearings are Public, applications are not. Now a precedent has been set that anytime a request is made for a Show Cause hearing to be public, the accused is afforded a chance to fight it.
friendly reminder that anytime you get stopped by LEO, do not talk. These 28 people most likely implicated themselves when stopped and questioned.
The plot thickens
https://www.wbur.org/news/2024/01/17/mass-sjc-delays-hearing-commercial-sex-ring-brothel
In reality, all this does is stop the clock. If I had to guess, the petition for access to the applications will be denied with prejudice and the hearings will be rescheduled.
Media petitioned for the exact reason I stated before - No pedigree information makes the hearings a waste of time for them. But I’m with the Clerks/Attorneys on this one, hearings are public so the public interest is served. Just because you don’t have access to the secret sauce is irrelevant.
is to stay away from agencies.
These agencies have targets on their backs, and it is we who get stabbed by the arrows.
I wasn’t able to get to the ruling via the link posted above.
Somebody on the different forum asking if any of the BTT girls got in trouble. I haven't heard anything about this. Anyone?
The same person who asked the question just posted 'I just got a text from one of maangels girls: "I heard the woman no problem". I guess that solves that.'
I guess it does.
If it was trafficking they were "rescued"!!!
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Correct. They will not be prosecuted. The government sees them as victims. They may be deported or they may be given a special T visa and assist in the prosecution of the traffickers. This will also place them on an accelerated path to obtaining a green card if that is their goal.
Correct. They will not be prosecuted. The government sees them as victims. They may be deported or they may be given a special T visa and assist in the prosecution of the traffickers. This will also place them on an accelerated path to obtaining a green card if that is their goal.
You can't assume that. In an number of other sex trafficking cases, the prostitutes themselves were indeed charged. Obviously that makes no sense: prosecutors claimed they were saving the women, but then charged them as criminals. But it has happened. This is something that advocates of Sex Workers often to point to when arguing the absurdity of the laws, or at least the absurdity of the application of the laws.
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If you read the press releases, law enforcement agencies will sometimes make a point of saying they don't charge the women with crimes *so long as the women agree to go into rehabilitation programs*. If they women don't agree, they are charged. It's coercive. Prosecutors are telling the so-call "victims" they either have to abandon their profession or go to jail. That's a funny way of "rescuing" people.
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Here are two examples:
https://reason.com/2016/06/27/biggest-sex-trafficking-bust-ever-for-mc/
https://reason.com/2016/02/16/kansas-sex-trafficking-victim-arrested/
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Obviously there are no guarantees or absolute certainties when it comes to these matters. Each case is unique as are the laws and criminal enforcement culture in each state. I can't speak to places like Texas and Kansas circa 2016 but in 2024 in Massachusetts the emphasis is to protect, not to criminalize, the women who are considered the victims of trafficking. I fully expect the women will not face prosecution. I wish I was as sanguine for the 28 men caught up in this legal morass.
Used to be a regular client, but stopped a good while ago, when they started offering 'BB Services'.
Good decision. While I was very tempted, I thought a high-volume, electronic record keeping agency at upscale residential locations was too visible, potentially too vulnerable, and way too risky. I guess we were both right ... or lucky.
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A slew of motions were filed yesterday to the SJC by attorneys for the 28 individuals facing public probable cause hearings. Let's hope these individuals' privacy rights are protected against what one lawyer described as "unwarranted humiliation and embarrassment."
Even though the complaints/summons have been sent out, I still have this overarching fear that somehow mine got sent to the wrong address or was lost by the mailman. Not that I ever want the names of those to be publicly released for reasons we’ve all discussed, I just don’t know if there’s anything until those who do get charged to be known until I breathe a true sigh of relief (for now, assuming there are no more future charges). Obviously I’m not a lawyer, but don’t know what happens and if somehow it did get lost in the mail and all of a sudden I’m not present for the hearing when it happens.
Were you stopped by HSI Agents when leaving or entering a BTT appointment?
If the answer is no, than yes, your question is stupid.
If the answer is yes, you were stopped by one of the Feds casing the apartment, and you haven’t received a summons yet, you need to hire a lawyer ASAP.
Your question is not dumb. Your anxiety level is high which is understandable. An important legal document like a notice to appear at a probable cause hearing should be delivered in person by a constable or process server, or, at the very least, via USPS registered or certified mail that requires signature upon receipt.
Just echoing what was said
If you got questioned by LE and gave up information - then you have a pretty significant risk
If you didn't - then you are at a substantially lower risk. It will never be zero until the Statute of Limitations runs out (which is 6 years) but as more time passes the less likely you're at risk.
The only advice that is worth taking from anyone at this point is to call a lawyer and ask them. Anything else is just a waste of time.
clerk/magistrate ( Sharon Shelter Casey ) to provide a factual legal basis for her decision to hold public probable cause hearings. Specifically, she has been questioned about what the public interest is in opening the hearings and how she balanced that against the privacy rights of the 28 individuals. Justice Graziano wrote that Casey made "conflicting orders" given that she cited public interest to open the hearings but that individuals' privacy rights kept the applications for complaints private. Casey has until this Friday to respond. It's always difficult to predict judicial outcomes, but I remain hopeful that the decision to open the hearings to the public will be overturned.
And all these guys that were stopped coming out of those apartments could have avoided all of this by saying “ am I. Ring detained or am I free to go”.
And always remember. In Massachusetts, if you are walking down the sidewalk, you do not have to show ID if asked. Only if you’re lawfully arrested do you have to ID. Some states require to show an ID if they have reasonable, articulable suspicion a crime has been committed, is being committed, or about to be committed. Not in Mass. They have to have you actually under arrest for a crime before you are required to ID.
Again, I don’t answer questions, am I free to go?
If they wait until you are in your car, then Massachusetts law leans towards protecting the right of persons to remain silent and to maintain their privacy, with only one notable exception. Only the drivers of vehicles are legally required to provide their names and driver's licenses to police upon request.
That’s sound advice, but my guess is the pucker factor kicks in when a federal agent flashes a badge in your face.
The best way is to avoid potential encounter. They probably won't stop you when you enter the building. But more likely they watch you enter the building, and wait when you exit the building and then stop you. If possible, try to find a different exit door. Some apartment buildings have exit door on the other side of main entrance. So if they are waiting for you to come out, and if you exit on the other side, and if your car is blocks away, they may never be able to find you.
Don't carry any ID with you when you entered the apartment. Parked at least a block away from the building so they don't know if you have a car. If possible, when leaving, try to exit using a different entrance. Many apartment complex have multiple exit doors allowing you to leave the building. Many buildings have security camera at the main entrance or elevator, but rarely has camera monitoring each apartment door. If you entered the building and exited the building using the same main entrance, most likely your activity using the door will be captured.
Always be cautious.
You bring up an excellent point that is worth repeating. If you enter an apartment building or hotel through the main entrance and elevator exit via a stairwell and side/back door. Mask up too to hide your face. You never know who is watching.
Stop cheating on your wives and you'll have nothing to worry about. Unless they catch you actually in the act or solicitation, they have nothing, unless you are stupid enough you tell them you were having your dick sucked.
The statute is violated if you solicit sex for a fee even if sex doesn't happen. Text messages that memorialize such a request can be introduced as evidence of solicitation. Expect that defense attorneys to file motions in limine to have that evidence excluded, but if the texts are legally obtained, probative, and authenticated they can be entered into evidence.
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While I hear what you are saying being convicted in the public eye is more damaging than the actual conviction in this case.
I see them as equally undesirable outcomes. So unnecessary. All because we live in a puritanical country. This is a non-issue in most of the world.
will be open to the public according to a ruling by Justice Graziano of the SJC. That's disappointing. I don't know if an appeal to the full court is an option.
This ruling does nothing to protect the identify of the 28 individuals before probable cause is determined. It leaves the original decision of the clerk magistrate unchanged - to open the probable cause hearings to the press but to not release the actual show cause application documents. In my opinion, the public doesn't need to know anything until someone is actually charged and arrested.
14 of the 28 alleged sex buyers have filed an appeal of the decision of a single SJC justice to hold public probable cause hearings. The hearings are stayed as the court considers the appeal. State law limits a full SJC appeal to cases where the single justice may have abused his discretion in the way he crafted his decision so a full court review seems unlikely. Stay tuned and watch this space.
One could argue the he did abuse his power as there isn’t a clear need for the public to attend. The fact that the original three were not charged with human trafficking should have resulted in the hearings being closed. That deflates the narrative. The public can know when someone is charged as they always do. They know exactly what will happen to these individuals. This seems to about their 5 minutes of fame. Doesn’t matter whose lives are ruined in the process.
Just as nature abhors a vacuum, so do entrepreneurs abhor not making a buck at a the world's oldest profession. Geishastyles does do one thing that the others didn't, they stick with hotels. It makes it much harder for cops to do a stake out at a hotel, which is what kind of did in Boston Top Ten. They staked out the apartment buildings. Not nearly the traffic of a hotel. Anyway, they're the new king of the Asian hill.
Why does the level of traffic make it harder to stake out a hotel? Hotels have cameras, databases, staff who assist with surveillance. In general, k agencies will always be risky around Boston, no matter what they do. Too many past busts
They'd be outcall only.
They may have filled the void left behind by BTT but they are definitely gouging the market
as they have no competition to speak of.
I would rather go to NYC or even fly to CA for Asian ladies than pay what they are asking for nothing special service
and nothing special women
Well, Kimmy (formerly from MAAngels) is scheduled to start on Wednesday at Boston International so if things work out for her and the agency sky is the limit.
Does any know if BI is k girl friendly?
https://www.bostonintescorts.nl/portfolio/kimmy-k/
She looks very familiar and if so she’s a great get for them.
Seemed like this was on the fast track to parade the Johns in the press… all sorts of hearings and press coverage…. Now radio silent. Anyone hear anything?
The motion for public hearing was tabled. They will hear arguments in September of this year whether or not the initial hearings to establish probably cause will be public or private. I would guess that would mean maybe the hearings are scheduled by end of year, maybe early next year. Also curious what it means for future cases after the first 18 are settled or taken to court, etc. Seems like this is going into next year and maybe by then the public interest is far lower.
The case is being brought to the State Supreme Court:
"BOSTON – Elected officials, doctors and lawyers are among dozens of men fighting to keep their names private as customers of an alleged brothel. On Monday, highest court in Massachusetts will hear their case."
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/massachusetts-brothel-identities-supreme-judicial-court/
Looks like sentencing is scheduled for the leaders on December 20 according to the article. TBD as far as their customer list goes.
They couldn’t possibly release information on Contacts or customer lists, correct? I would think names would only be released if additional people are charged.
All of your questions have already been answered before in this very long and cumbersome thread. That said, here’s the short answer version.
Thank you for clarifying.
I’m actually wondering about the likelihood of releasing information on clients beyond the initial 28. It sounds like hundreds of additional potential clients were identified and passed to Middlesex DA Marian Ryan by Acting U.S. Attorney Joshua Levy’s office, based on cell phone records, surveillance footage, log sheets, and more. What I was trying to ask is if this information will remain confidential through the sentencing of the big 3 and the proceedings with the 28. Sounds like yes and that information about the uncharged would only (potentially) become public if charges were filed against them.
So why did the Feds choose these 28 instead the hundreds (or thousands)? Reading the thread, it sounds like it was based on a whole bunch of factors like their connection to Cambridge (avoiding the need to handle Watertown cases in Waltham District Court with a different clerk magistrate?), the strength of the evidence, possible statements made to law enforcement coming out of the building, the prominence of certain individuals, and simple deterrence.
Also… given the fact that the Feds are no longer involved, along with the considerable resources already devoted to prosecuting these 28, doesn’t it seem unlikely that additional charges will be brought against the many other clients?
This is so incredibly cruel and unfair to the 28, given that this situation is a completely victimless crime (a misdemeanor!)
Is there any sort of statute of limitations / are they able to arrest more or that's it for BTT?
I believe the statute of limitations is 6 years. So yes there may be additional arrests if the prosecution is successful in convicting the first 28 gentlemen.
On the subject of convictions the prosecutor has to prove not that sex happened or that money was exchanged but only that sex was solicited by the gentlemen. Assuming the women will not be testifying for the prosecution and the gentlemen's text messages are not self-incriminating, I think the best defense is that the defendants were paying for the model's time only - for a massage, for a photo shoot, or voyeurism. Now that may strain credulity but all you need is to create reasonable doubt in the mind of one juror to result in a mistrial.
Have been set for March 14, 21, and 28 in Cambridge District Court for the unfortunate 28 men accused of soliciting sex. Their identities will be publicly disclosed at the time of the hearings.
These hearings will be open to the public, including the media, so identification of the 28 is likely to become known. That's why the hearings should be private - unfortunately the SJC disagreed with the need to protect the privacy of the 28.
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The clerk magistrate has reported that copies of actual criminal complaints will only be available to the public IF probable cause is found. However, the names of the accused must be disclosed in court at the time of the hearings that are open to the public. The names (and possibly photos) of the 28 men could certainly be leaked to the public by the local media who will, no doubt, be covering the hearings. This could be a real media circus.
There was a hearing on Friday, March 13. I don't think I can post a link but here are excerpts from one of many articles:
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"The names of twelve of the alleged clients facing criminal charges in a high-end brothel bust in Massachusetts were read aloud in Cambridge District Court on Friday [March 13, 2025]. There are 28 alleged johns connected to a sex ring that was run out of upscale apartment buildings in Cambridge, Dedham and Watertown, as well as Virginia. Authorities say it catered to "wealthy and well-connected" customers.
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"They are doctors, they are lawyers, they're accountants, they are executives at high-tech companies, pharmaceutical companies, they're military officers, government contractors, professors, scientists," [a] former U.S. attorney for Massachusetts said at the time of the bust in November 2023. There were no elected officials on the ***first*** list, but there is a pharmaceutical CEO, a dentist, and finance executive. Of the 12 men with hearings Friday, two actually showed up, six sent just their lawyers and four did not attend at all. ..."
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"The 12 men will be arraigned in May on the criminal charges. Twelve more alleged johns [there might be pols and other big wigs in this group or among the final 4] will be in court next Friday for more probable cause hearings. ..."
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"More than a dozen of the [28] alleged clients fought to remain anonymous. "They will undoubtedly lose their jobs, lose their professions and have their lives ripped apart," attorney [name of atty], representing five alleged brothel clients, argued before the Supreme Judicial Court. But the high court ruled that the media will have access to preliminary court hearings for the alleged clients, siding with the clerk-magistrate who said the "legitimate public interest" in the case outweighed the defendants' privacy rights. The magistrate will decide Friday whether some of the alleged johns will face charges. ... "
The clerk magistrate has reported that copies of actual criminal complaints will only be available to the public IF probable cause is found. However, the names of the accused must be disclosed in court at the time of the hearings that are open to the public. The names (and possibly photos) of the 28 men could certainly be leaked to the public by the local media who will, no doubt, be covering the hearings. This could be a real media circus.
There are also Probable Cause hearings scheduled for March 21 and 28th for the remainder of the 28 gentlemen.
With a lawyer, instead of those poor hobbyists attending the hearing their lawyer would be doing the honors instead, and defendants' faces wouldn't be splashed across the mass media. That means that as long as they don't have highly unusual names nobody would know which John Smith or Jimmy Wu it is.
I saw them passing the TV in Market Basket in Waltham. I froze looking up at the screen and the guy next to me looked over and froze too. I bet you as I was leaving Karina 15 minutes earlier, he was leaving Casino.
The 28 guys were split into three tranches for the probable cause hearings: 12, 12, and 4. March 14 was the first 12, NAMES released to the public. I am guessing that the next 12 (March 21) and last 4 (March 28) will also have their NAMES made public, as well, although lawyers are still fighting it.
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While they can avoid mass public exposure by staying away from the hearing and letting their lawyers rep them, some of them are in positions where there will be consequences, even if behind closed doors. Some might be fired or be asked to resign from their high visibility jobs. Spouses will know which John Smith or Jimmy Wu it is and might exploit the situation by filing for divorce (and a big settlement) or getting a pre-nup bumped up.
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John Smith the indy mechanic or plumber or biz man might lose (or gain!) a few customers after 15 seconds of TV news and be forgotten. John Smith the K-12 public school janitor with 3 minutes of TV news will be gone so he can't be a bad influence on the students (and be forever remembered in that school's history!). John Smith the government official will be a hot news item for several days and will put his politicking skills to the test.
With a lawyer, instead of those poor hobbyists attending the hearing their lawyer would be doing the honors instead, and defendants' faces wouldn't be splashed across the mass media. That means that as long as they don't have highly unusual names nobody would know which John Smith or Jimmy Wu it is.
I saw them passing the TV in Market Basket in Waltham. I froze looking up at the screen and the guy next to me looked over and froze too. I bet you as I was leaving Karina 15 minutes earlier, he was leaving Casino.
I think you might be right in some cases but I know that some of those that lawyered up were able to avoid public exposure due to having pretty generic names. How many John Smiths or Jimmy Wus are out there? Right.
Also, ime far from every woman would file for divorce based on her husband seeing a hooker, especially if she's been with him for a long time. Loneliness is no fun, especially after long, and more or less ok marriage. She might throw a controlled fit just because she'd have to react somehow but might also make sure that there are no long term consequences of doing so. Women are savvy.
It's different if he loses his job, which again with name like John Smith and no face to refer to he just might not.
That's why I think people should lawyer up. Unless it would be somebody like me. If you google me you'd get me and me only. I'm alone in the world. Whether I'd lawyer up or not everybody would quickly figure out that it's yours truly and nobody else.
Karina is the girl from Kazakhstan and Casino is a k-girl, both work for BI.
Some of the reports also named the towns they lived in. That might make identification by spouses, employers, etc. much easier.
For sure but it would still be worth it to get a lawyer if you're concerned about getting exposed imho.
Now there listing DOB and one was born in 49
It's pretty much inevitable that their families will find out. The ironic thing is, going to see a sw is fairly common in Asia (where many of these women are sourced from) and it's seen as a legit job, not some shady thing that needs to be used to drag people through the mud. Most women in Japan don't even view prostitution as cheating. Total night and day from this sh*tshow.
Boston Top Ten had a comprehensive screening process requiring photograph of client holding their drivers license, so expect little "wiggle room" based on having common name.
Do you think Jimmy's theatrics would work here?
I watched the first hearing online. It was disclosed that there were 2800 gentlemen who were in text contact with BTT. The 28 who will be charged with solicitation were the most frequent of those - with 400 or more text messages to BTT.
To clarify the 400 text cut off is the number of text messages to and from BTT.
So…did they also approach these guys as they were leaving appointments? Or did they make arrests just based on text records and possibly video surveillance?
From what I heard there was one gentleman in the first group of 12 who was approached as he left the building. The others were identified based on text messages and building video surveillance tapes. The time frame for the text messaging (to and from BTT) appears to be between 1/1/23 and 10/16/23. One defendant had 1066 messages during that period according the Cambridge police officer who was questioned by the defendant's lawyer.
That’s some frightening shit. So would Google voice have prevented them getting identified? Or do you need a full on separate burner phone?
At least 10 names were released on March 21. One of the clients identified publicly serves on the Cambridge City Council.
That’s some frightening shit. So would Google voice have prevented them getting identified? Or do you need a full on separate burner phone?
I just read Google’s privacy notice regarding Google voice.
“Google will provide information about Google Voice accounts and data (including call records, text messages, and voicemails) if presented with a valid subpoena or court order.“
FYI. Local media is reporting that one of the gentlemen exchanged 501 texts with BTT and arranged 11 appointments. Another arranged 13 appointments while exchanging 432 text messages between February and September of 2023.
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Good find. Seems like there was a threshold. 432 text exchanges isn't that much when you think about it. A lot of back and forth in the screening and arranging of the appointments. Scary stuff
I believe the cutoff on texts was a minimum of 400 from what I have read.
That's what's been reported. The 28 gentlemen who were charged had 400 or more text messages - back and forth - with BTT in 2023. Seems like a lot of texting consider one gentleman had 501 texts and only 11 appointments and another had 432 texts and only 13 appointments.
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Trying to put the pieces together. Originnally it was thought the johns were approached and admitted acts. Now we think LE went to the phone carrier and subpoenaed their text messages. Any john with over 400 text they identified them through video survalliance and they were cited with warrants.
I wonder if le got the screening info from BTT?
Did they john’s use their personal cell?
I didnt see any mention of watertown was it only cambridge police and they cambridge location?
This is a high profile case and seems like a flawed argument with just text message arraigments.
What happens if they johns say “We ended up talking”, “She was attracted to her”
Theyve already of stepped by publicizing its a wgo’ who list of johns , except for one city councilor.
It would be worse for them if they lose these cases - like kraft.
Thoughts?
Do we have any legal folks here that can shed some light.
they're as good as gone.
Silence is golden.
Let your lawyer do the talking.
Not a "legal eagle" but I've been around enough of them. A lot to unpack here.
Some gentlemen were approached by LE - not sure how many, if any, self-incriminated. The feds seized BTT's phone giving them the text messages. The mobile provider gave LE the names of the gentlemen. LE cross checked building surveillance video with diver license photos. It is only Cambridge PE and hope it stays that way. I think it's highly unlikely that any gentleman will testify. That's almost always too risky. But you are correct LE has no proof of what happened in the room. However, the way the law is written just soliciting sex for money is a crime. From what I heard, in the limited text messages disclosed at the hearings, none of the gentlemen overtly solicited sex - just time for a fee. Even if the DA drops the charges because of the weak evidence, or the gentlemen are found not guilty, these men have been humiliated and may lose employment and relationships. They've been punished enough. #freethe34
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If they drop charges or lose the trial, the men can likely sue the state for personal and financial damages to their reputation. While it's always a slippery slope going up against any government, it can be done. They probably do some sort of plea deal, and that's a shame because if this went to trial, they could force the state's hand by calling the women to testify; most of them are likely long gone by now and would refuse to stand.
Usually, you want to get the victim of the crime up on the stand; and since we all know the women were doing this voluntarily, their entire case could fall apart.
The 34 gentlemen cannot sue the state for damages. The police, the clerk magistrate, and DA cannot be sued for doing their jobs in prosecuting defendants in accordance with the law. I don't see how a plea to a lesser charge could possibly be an option. Solicitation of prostitution is already a misdemeanor. There's no lesser charge that I know of. The DA doesn't need to call the women to testify and won't. The DA must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendants solicited sex. Money doesn't need to have change hands and sex doesn't need to have happened. The DA can place the gentlemen at the scene and has text messages that support the appointments. What they don't seem to have are the gentlemen overtly soliciting sex - just time for a fee. I think a jury would not convict unless other text messages from the gentlemen are actually self-incriminating. This is a weak case and the DA should decline to prosecute. The deterrent value has already been accomplished by the government and the lives of the 34 gentlemen have already been ruined. Enough already.
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Not legal either but from listening to a few of the hearing it seems nearly all the suspects were using a phone number that was registered to them or could be traced to them via subpoena to the service provider. That seems to allow LE to cross reference to the RMV (DL) picture that was then compared with the surveillance tape. That allowed LE to put the person going into and leaving the apartment at times that aligned well with the scheduling dates and times from the phone message logs.
Unless someone can challenge the images, and well enough that any jury would agree that the person in the surveillance footage is not the same person as in the DL picture I think it will be a hard for any of these guys to get off. I suspect the best they can do is stay quiet, work with the lawyer and hope the lawyer can get a good deal for them. But I suspect they will have to reconcile themselves to the fact their name and face is going to show up in the local paper.
Somewhere else a person posted that the text messages were all in 2023- so anything prior doesn't seem to be included in any of their investigations for these 28 being charged. Or for other clients perhaps.
They probably can't match up the video with the text/appointment arrangements because it was before the investigation and there was no video. At least they figured THAT was flimsy evidence.
The Cambridge police were able to match the apartment building's surveillance video with the text messages that indicated a gentleman was entering and exiting the building and apartment. What happened inside the apartment is undocumented and that's the greatest flaw in the state's case.
Seems that would be hard to prove without anyone admitting an illegal act
Does the state of Mass have an assignation law? In NC merely being in a place for the purpose or setting up a meeting without any proof of the act happened can get you charged with assignation for the purpose of prostitution.
Steph XO
That's not the law in Massachusetts but it appears that's what the Cambridge police want it to be. Here it's solicitation for a fee by the defendants that the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
I think that's correct. From what I gather the 28 selected for prosecution was arbitrarily based on 400 or more text messages to and from BTT from 1/1/23 to November 2023 when BTT was raided. Evidently BTT had 2800 client contacts on its business phone. Trying to bring charges against 2800 gentlemen would be next to impossible.
People have different texting habits and practices.
Monger-A: 1. I'm on my way. ... 4. Almost there. ... 7. I'm close by, looking for parking. ... 12. Had to park down the street. ... 18. Almost there, 5 minutes. ... 23. I forgot the code. Please resend. ... 25. I'm in. Heading upstairs. ... 29. Thanks! ... 33. Hope to see you again soon. ... ... ...
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Monger-B: 1. I'm ringing the bell now. That's me. ... ... ... 2. Thanks!
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Monger-A, arrested? Monger-B, free?
I think that's correct. From what I gather the 28 selected for prosecution was arbitrarily based on 400 or more text messages to and from BTT from 1/1/23 to November 2023 when BTT was raided. Evidently BTT had 2800 client contacts on its business phone. Trying to bring charges against 2800 gentlemen would be next to impossible.
It seems like, hopefully, they’re gonna stop with just these 28…
“ Attorney Kevin Mahoney, who declined to further identify his client at last week’s first hearing, told the Herald the feds have “verified” 2,800 brothel clients and focused on the 28 defendants who sent “400 or more” texts or otherwise communicated with the brothel purveyors. This means any clients who texted less than that have escaped prosecution, he added.”
https://www.bostonherald.com/2025/03/21/brothel-johns-round-2-accused-boston-suburb-sex-buyers-to-appear-in-court/
Basing who gets charged on the number of text messages is just dumb. Hopefully the county DA will not prosecute with the flimsy evidence that was presented at the probable cause hearings.
Don't worry, the way they are going bostontemptations are bound to provide Cambridge ADAs with some employment opportunities sooner rather than later. They're doing the same thing as both BAD and BTT did and in the same area to boot, as though inviting LE to go along the road well travelled. Some people just never learn.
The number if gentlemen being referred to the DA for criminal charges is now up to 32. It's unclear why another 4 are being subjected to this fiasco.
And now the count is 34 gentlemen who will be referred to the DA for criminal prosecution. I hope each and every one of them is found not guilty.
by getting rid of guys who suck up their time writing 50 texts just to land one appointment.
There's a lesson here for all of us: Don't send unnecessary texts.
The biggest lesson out of all of this should be that more of these busts will come, especially with the onset of AI and digital surveillance, and they'll probably be more expansive next time when it comes to the clients. I'm not just talking about Boston, but everywhere in the US. The 4th Amendment is obsolete now and Big Brother will know exactly where you are at all times. I've definitely reassessed the level of risk I'm willing to appetite due to this. It's become a not so good country to monger in, if it ever was...
This is really fucking depressing
Look on the bright side - you save a lot of money and, if single, can leave and venture to places that are nicer than the US.
Just my opinion of course. I know a lot of successful people who are heading for the exit, for the foreseeable future. The US isn't what it used to be.
There is no evidence to prove what they did in the room. They could just say they had a nude massage which I don't think it's illegal.
They clearly screwed up when they were texting back and forth. Also seems like the booker was totally careless in giving out too much information. Just a total shitshow all around
True however it's a crime to solicit sex for a fee. As long as the gentlemen's text messages are not self-incriminating the state doesn't have a strong enough case to convict and no charges should be brought by the DA. However explicit text messages by BTT could be problematic depending upon how a gentleman responded.
Maybe this is another way that they choose the John’s.
Generally the exchanges are for a time. I know sometimes the booker would text $$$ for msog or bbfs which could be incriminating.
I wonder what the statute of limitations is?
Do we know if the ones being named were using their personal and that’s how they were traced? They could have also matched times up with facial recognition and made a match to the burner phone. Maybe time to get new burner digits?
I think agreement to a higher priced option is problematic for the gentlemen.
As has been posted before 1) the statute of limitations in Massachusetts is 6 years, and 2) the gentlemen used their personal cell phones. They were identified using mobile carrier records and building video surveillance. At least one individual was stopped by law enforcement after exiting the building but only admitted to visiting a friend.
And the other interesting aspect to note here is that initially the affidavit indicated a similar number of customers that were "interviewed" prior to the actual agency bust. Apparently a large number of those guys talked with the federal authorities and seem seem to be absent from the local charges even after confessing. Something to ponder.
Curious how to find the affidavit?
Seems like the thinking was those that confessed were the ones charged?
I wonder if there names have been floated as witnesses or anything else?
What affidavit are you referring to? As far as I can tell at least one, and perhaps only one, of the 34 gentlemen charged by Cambridge police was questioned by LE after exiting the building. That one gentleman did not incriminate himself but was charged like the other 33 because of the volume of text messages. Had Cambridge police only charged those who may have foolishly incriminated themselves, either by their verbal statements or in text messages, that would be on those gentlemen. Charging based on volume of texts is stupid and will likely backfire on the prosecutor if charges are not dropped.
You can just search on 'Federal Affidavit Boston Brothel', top link for me was a link to the PDF file - which just saves the file by default for me. The link below has a link near the bottom to the affidavit.