You seriously think they went on CL or Backpage posted an ad, and you were the only one who noticed? Or that they don't do this all the time? Awwww how cute. You got yourself a few smooth operators and there is nothing wrong with that. Just please do not knock the rest of us who are upscale, or our clients who understand they get what they pay for.

You are BUYING (barely) INTO YOUR OWN backwards fantasy. Just like you looked them up, you had a wonderful conversation with them on the phone, and OMG you found a diamond in the rough, so did the other 15 guys they saw that day. You are getting a provider, who is charging street walker rates.(should we all celebrate for you? or worry about your reasoning skills?)


I don't think you mentioned if they are screening. Time will tell and this is nothing that a pair of silver bracelets and an orange jumpsuit makeover for you will not solve.

LOL

where are their incalls at that rate?
It would be in their home, which means all their other clients know where that is, and if they have an ad running thats overhead, if its a hotel, more overhead even a cheap hotel. If they are renting a hotel time is money and with lower rates the profit is also lower so you are NOT #1 and only no matter what you were told.
If its at their home, she must have neighbors and believe me they take notice. Thats risky.
You are payin for a better business plan when you pay the higher rates.
If its a multiple hr appt she May only see one client shes making good bank at the higher rates but at the bargain basement rate, seeing as you feel you are her only client, her over head is higher than her profits, thats not poor business thats no business. Even the street walker knows that.
What ever works for ya I say.
Every one finds the area they are comfortable with, thats yours. end of story.

I have been a long time lurker of TER, but never a poster.  What I always wanted to ask the people here is where do the women here get the customers who pay $$$ to $$$$/hr?  

I see around 5 different women for my satisfaction, and the price ranges from .6 to $.25.  They give me an absolute great time, and are women who do not do this all the time, but do it to add money to their purses.  I have seen more expensive professional women, but they always seemed that I was #3 of #8 today, and to me it was like shopping at a high end boutique.  Great service, but as soon as I leave, I am forgotten.

With the women I see, I call them up, and they are glad to see me.  We talk about their lives, and they are interested in mine.  If I do not call or email on a regular basis, they email me asking where I am, not because their wallets are empty, but because they are interested in my exploits.

Every single one of them was discovered on either CL or backpage, through major filtering of the garbage on those sites.   I would say that even for the women I have called, I only saw 20% of them after the phone conversation since their phone manner was plainly awful.

But I ask again, where do these women get the customers who will pay the amounts asked?  I make extremely good money (6 figures), and have no issues affording any of the women here, but when I break it down to $$$/hr that is $5 per minute.  Without an emotional connection, that is simply something that I cannot do.

Of course I have my asbestos suit on for the flames that will be hurled towards me.   As I said, I have been watching TER for many years, just never got the "itching" to post.

...one possibility is that some of us like to be seen (or to imagine ourselves seen) with women who can only be afforded by top level earners or coupon clippers. There may or may not be a correlation between price tag and value.

obviously there are other good reasons for running with the top percentile elite...but safety or discretion is not price necessarily one of them (Spitzer?).

brilliant sensual women are where you find them, by luck and persistence. it has little to do with price point.

Please keep in mind that the term "quality" is very subjective. You may not mind going to see someone who charges street walker rates and is doing business out of a motel 6, or a car. I am in no way knocking the business standards of the ladies who offer that rate, or the gentlemen who partake in the hobby at that rate.

There are men who will not see a woman who charges 25.00 an hour, FOR THEM that rate signifies a population of providers that they have decided to not include in their hobby life. They may think anyone who pays more than 25.00 is insane.

OTOH

There are men who will not see a woman who charges $500.00 an hour, FOR THEM that rate signifies a population of providers that they have decided to not include in their hobby life. They may think anyone who pays less than 1K per hour is insane.


From a business common sense perspective

The things that providers who charge $60.00 can afford to offer in terms of atmosphere, grooming, mentality, health, attitude and location are not on the same level as a lady who charges $600.00 an hour. It is fiscally, mentally, and physically impossible, and even if it were possible a provider making 3000.00 a day at 60.00 a client is 50 clients. (thats hot, TOO HOT) A girl making 3K a day charging 600 an hour is seeing 6 clients.

Try to wrap your brain around fucking even 10 women a day, you would be mentally, physically, and emotionally worn the hell out. So men who seek upscale experiences, seek women who are rested, relaxed, and laid back. They do not seek a revolving door. Men who don't really care about that, go see ladies who have extremely low rates.

WHY men see very upscale ladies? Easy to answer: It is not the act of fucking, anyone can fuck, and make small talk.......if that is what you are looking for no one is upset, great continue on your mission. It is a well thought out session, an intimate experience, with a beautifully maintained woman. I don't care what anyone says, that is not going to happen with a girl who is charging street walker rates.

I do not want to go thorough the hoops of finding/hunting per se.or rediscovering the wheel of karma.
This are strictly professional engagements. We pay for the goodwill and reputation of ladies..just like any other business.

But you are misrepresenting reality in order to support your approach.  There are plenty of women making a good living at the $$$ an hour price-point, cultivating good regular customers and giving as much of themselves "emotionally" as would be appropriate in a P4P relationship. You are free to pay whomever you want as little as you want for sex but don't paint the rest of us with such a broad brush.

doin this full time does not mean we are all hold up in a hotel just waiting for the next client, the 15 guys a day you mentioned...Wow thats crazy. I see very few ppl on a weekly basis yet at a higher rate, I don't need a second job I make enough that I can play and go home happy.
I think it gives us more room to be a bit more choosy and its a natural weeding process. Not everyone will spend the money and it weeds out some undesirables, in my opinion. Your business plan is a lot like first inpressions, there are many men who are great clients who won't see her at a lower price point and thats their choice just as this is yours.
You seem to be making assumptions about what the Ladies who do this at a higher rate are all about. I have Never seen 15 clients in a week never mind a day. Thats a bit much.
Now you say you investigated what they were up to other than seeing you, or so you implied, and honestly, thats none of your business. I find that additude too pushy. what she does after the time you are paying for, is none of your business. Just play go home happy and don't concern yourself with what their lives are all about.

Thanks for clarifying that.  I was never very good at your preferred form of shorthand.  As for who is paying, well, all you need to do is look at the thousands of providers on TER working in that price range and see the thousands of reviews that they have garnered to realize that obviously many of us are paying and feel that we are getting our money's worth.

For some of us time and risk reduction are more valuable than money.  A 500-600/hr well-reviewed provider will PROBABLY  look like her pics, provide the services she claims to offer, present a significantly decreased LE risk and a virtually non-existent B+S or robbery risk.  Plus, while imperfect, there is a market at work here.  I'm sure there are $300 providers who are far superior to some $600 ones.  But the notion that a little digging on backpage will get you the equivalent (or, in the OP's mind, BETTER) looks and service at $200 than a well-reviewed provider at $600 is not remotely credible.

First, the women I see on a regular basis do have other pretty much full time employment.  This is not BS or the like, this is truth.  Each one of them does this for some extra money.   One of the women I say last week has reduced herself to two guys at this point.  

Secondly, I respect the fact that upscale providers are working pretty much full time as providers.  Just understand that there are women out there who do not work in this business on a full time basis.  In fact one women i see at her house is married with kids, and only sees the few guys while the house is not busy.  Another one I see during lunchtime when she comes home for a little afternoon delight.  This information is not just statements made by the women, but verified through various means at my disposal.

So they have not seen 15 other guys that  day because there would be no way for them to have done that for various reasons.

Look, I have seen other women from cl and bp, and have only seen the once.   My hit to miss ratio is just OK.  

As I said, I respect your opinion, but you have to understand that not every woman is in the business just like you are.

When i posted .6 to $.25 i mean as low as 60, up to 125....

Sorry for the confusion.

Secondly.  I feel that all women are sexy in their own way.  To me, she is well maintained if she is clean, and does not smell.  I actually prefer women who are REAL instead of women who look like something out of victorias secret.  

..and you need to get your head around the fact that there are women who do this on a very part time basis, and have full time jobs, so they do not need to to think in terms of making XXX per day to make expenses.  

My knowledge of the facts that they have other jobs is not just from their statements.   I know they they are gainfully employed in the real world, and they do this to supplement their income, and have a little fun.

One women i see on a regular basis is married, and a bigger women.  Her husband thinks she is ugly, and will not have sex with her at all.   She sees the few men she sees as a fun time to fulfill her needs.   The men who see her think she is sexy, and enjoy her company.

To me, well maintained, means she is clean and showered.  Nothing more, nothing less.

So in summary, you are using CL and BP to find women who want to have fun on the side and get rewarded for it, at least those are the success cases you have noted above..
I would recommend Ashley Madison’s website, and you can bring a gift when you meet
But seriously.. this is called a hobby, and that means the men partaking in it are looking for joy in different shapes, forms and ages,  whether they want to live a fantasy, escape the reality they are in or just explore what’s out there..
If you are trying to figure out who pays $$$$+ for a session with a woman that he desires..it is the same concept as individuals having the same financial background
Some collect Ferraris while others collect matchbox cars
Some buy the top of the line Benz..compared to the Honda buyers
Look around you , Weston and Wellesley have the highest household incomes and have the highest BMW/ Camry registration… two completely different price brackets..

Simply put.. it’s their money and they spend it to best meet their needs
It is a basic supply and demand, when there is a demand.. the supply will be formed.

Ps.. you can tell I like cars (of course after women)  I hope this doesn’t offend any of the providers reading this

It was great that the discussion never became personal.
-Codpeace

ROFLMAO!

I find that most hot looking women who are great providers are in the range of $300 to $600 per hour. That being the case I personally know of many examples of women charging $400 who are better looking , offer a more extensive menu and just sweeter than some women charging $600.  I just suppose it is not that efficient a market and doing your homework and research on TER pays tremendous dividends.  I wouldn't even look at a ad that had a price below $200 for the hour.

You are comfortable in your version of your own hobby habits and that is what the hobby is all about. Find your comfort zone and accept responsibility (good or bad) for your decisions.

This is your choice and your decision, but please don't think your "diamond in the rough" is exclusively YOURS. You are not discovering anything, there are women all over the globe who charge extreme rates in either direction. There are also men all over the globe who can justify their reasons for paying extreme rates in either direction.

Your reasoning for seeking the services of a woman who charges next to nothing to have sex with a total stranger are all subjective. You are not seeking the services of a professional high end provider, you are seeking and satisfactorily finding women who for some reason are not charging anything near the market rate for their services. That is fine and it seems to work for YOU, and I am not sure why that is a shocker for you?, or are you shocked that no one flamed you for it? I think that is what is gnawing at you, the fact that no one gave it a second thought. Who cares? We are all adults here who are involved in an industry that is an oxymoron in itself: this is an intimate impersonal business for providers and an intimate impersonal hobby for hobbyist. We expect discretion and trust the people we are fucking around with are going to be trustworthy and honest with us, yet we often have to live a lie to everyone and anyone outside of our small world.

This is not something I need to wrap my head around. This is not new to anyone. There is absolutely no shock value in anything you are trying to say in your post. You like what you like, so what! Welcome to the buffet table of the hobby. We all have different reasons for being here and we all have different body types, business models, races, styles, and prices that attract us. You picked out what and who does it for you, at a price you can tolerate and you have had several happy endings. Write a review and throw yourself a party.

I completely agree with Nicole...and I have another career, which I also enjoy. But the assumptions you make are just plain silly. Everyone has their own business plan and life. Some choose to spend their spare time working on a degree, others volunteering or whatever. It's none of your business.

The hobbying you describe sounds appealing to me as well.   Have you written any reviews of these UTR providers, good bad or otherwise?    Or maybe that is something they do not want?

I'd be interested in seeing more UTR providers (price not important) but unfortunately the whole point of being UTR is that they are hard to find.       So I am not sure how to best go about it.

But if any of them are reading this, please consider this an invitation!

Thanks for the thread.

First, I respect and understand your "business model" of how you choose to provide.   What you decide to do is totally your decision, and I should and have no issues with whatever you or any other provider decide to do.  Anything I have said, or any other people say should not be assumed to be an attack on anybody.

Secondly, I said "verified", not "investigated".  There is a difference.  For example, one Asian woman I used to see on a very regular basis was a college student who I helped through a few of her classes with the knowledge I had.  I still chat with her via email since she moved back to her home country.  We have become friends.  Another woman that I see works for a company in an industry that I needed to use myself, so I merely became a customer of hers in two different business lines.   I have not pro-actively investigated any woman that I have seen.   It is just that information about the women has been offered freely because I am someone who listens to people.

But the bottom line is that I much prefer meeting women who I make both a physical and emotional connection with.  I want to become a friend to them, and help them with whatever they need in their life.  It has nothing to do with being a white knight, or thinking I will help them out and remove them from escorting at all.   It merely is helping out friends.  There is a difference.  I like making friends.

The type of woman I see advertises very little (if it all), and I happen to have been very lucky and caught some post by them, and connected with them.   They are not professional in any way.  They are merely having a little "fun on the side", Like I am.   In facta majority of the woman I now see, do not advertise at all.  These women have a few men who see them as needed, and that is fine with them.

Are they doing it the wrong way?  Of course not.

Every single one of them is someone who sees men on a very non-regular basis.  They have other commitments that prevent their being available more, so they see the few men that they have become comfortable with.

Sorry!

Look,   There are women out there who do not do this full time.  There are women out there who do this on the side in between other commitments that they have.  

I know that she is not exclusively mine.  That makes total sense.  But she does not see the 15 men per day that you seem to think that someone at that price point must see in order to make enough money.

Remember there are two types of escorts.  Those who are full-time escorts, and those who are part time.  They work and have other income that allows them to be selective in the few men that they see on a regular basis.

Remember there are also women who see multiple men for absolutely nothing in return.

So what makes a "Professional high end provider"??   Is it merely a woman who asks and receives a larger "donation" than someone who asks for less money?  

I would venture to say that the amount of money that changes hands for a "session"  has no direct bearing on the quality of the session.  I would also venture to say that a woman who sees very few men for a very reasonable donation could be better than a "professional high end provider" for whatever reasons.  

The amount of money paid has nothing to do with the quality of the physical session.

You say you met all these women on BP and CL -- places that are wildly overrun with fakes -- and yet when you met them and they were wonderful, they insisted that you not post any good reviews because they did not wish to be "outed" ?

And you found "about five" of these wonderful, anonymity-seeking women -- who were advertising their bodies online?    For under 125?

I wish you well, but you sound like an employee of BP and/or CL.