Please call Amber asap

978 387 7383
978 376 8442

I can not elaborate, she needs you to call her

Gentlemen, if you have a phone number to your favorite ladies, please call them and leave them a message to contact Amber at one of the above numbers. Like I said, I can not elaborate.


-- Modified on 8/27/2003 11:25:47 AM

I haven't spoken to Amber directly but I've been told that she wants to share the identity of the assailant with all the ladies.

thirsty

And hopefully the Police dept if at all possible.If these freaks aren't locked up,they will know that they can get away with it.

Yes one of our ladies was emotionally and physically mistreated today .
To some the events wouldnt be an issue just another day .
I have no intention of letting anyone upset any lady that I know to any degree.
Its not acceptable and it is not in anyway excuseable.
She is physically fine at this point , very shaken up but physically ok.
She did everything in her power to avoid this situation and has taken the necessary steps to be sure it doesnt happen again .
Thank you to everyone who has called with support and I am glad to say the ladies out there have taken the initiative to stop it from happening again.
Needless to say ladies email me and I will disclose the necessary details .
[email protected]
I hold my gentleman callers anonyity sacred but when you mistreat someone to this degree you deserve no privacy.
Amber

Maybe I've watched too many Law & Order episodes, but the scant information regarding the assault doesn't sound like the kind of thing a person does only once. This may have already happened before in other places to which this "Hobbyist" predator travels. Or this may simply be the first time locally that someone came forward and reported what happened. The guy should be arrested before irreversable harm comes to someone. Arrested is from the French word for stop (arrete). This guy has to be stopped not just scared away to prey on Providers somewhere else. Legally, it would appear that a complaint to the police would be consistant with the concept of only charging for TIME with a Hobbyist. I'm sure the law remains, "No" means "No". I don't know if it ever comes up, but providers would also have to respect a "No" from a hobbyist. To take no action regarding what happened is to create a perhaps fatal legal weakness in the concept of renting time. I hope the victim is truly unharmed and the perpetrator is dealt with appropriately.

Your quite right there is no room for this type of behavior.
I have been asked to keep the details private but can say its being taken care of.
We ladies need to watch out for eachother .
I cant stress this enough .
It has come to my attention though from another lady that he has done this before at another agency I know that I would have loved to have avoided this situation had someone out there cared enough to let others know.
I am all for privacy and anonymity for the many men out there who seek companionship , I am also all for a universal system of sharing dangerous client information.
Maybe that will be the next thing I work on.
Any one with any ideas email me .
Amber
[email protected]

Your quite right there is no room for this type of behavior.
I have been asked to keep the details private but can say its being taken care of.
We ladies need to watch out for eachother .
I cant stress this enough .
It has come to my attention though from another lady that he has done this before at another agency I know that I would have loved to have avoided this situation had someone out there cared enough to let others know.
I am all for privacy and anonymity for the many men out there who seek companionship , I am also all for a universal system of sharing dangerous client information.
Maybe that will be the next thing I work on.
Any one with any ideas email me .
Amber
[email protected]

I'm glad that she will be ok. TER needs a ladies only, problem child hobbyist, database. We have talked about this and a client verification databse on this and other discussion boards. Enough is enough. This young lady did not deserve this, under any circumstances and the person that did this deserves to get what he gave.

Buddy systems, never work alone, know where your buddy is and let your buddy know where you are. Try to work within minutes of each other. Call your buddy each and every time a client arrives and verify with your buddy who the client is and when the client leaves. Set predetermined times when if you don't check in, you are checked on by someone serving as a psuedo bodyguard or your buddy. I don't care if the client is a first timer, or a regular you have seen 100 times. You have no idea what stresses are in his life and if he will snap, don't take any chances.

Pepper spray, ASP Baton, get them, know how to use them. They are inexpensive self defense tools that may save you from harm.

Do not be afraid to dial 911, your physical well being and your life as well as lives of others are more important than anything else.

And a phone tree amongst the ladies so that we don't have to depend on people reading a public board to get this information out, especially when someone could be dangerous and set an appointment with another lady before he gets exposed. That will take cooperation amongst agencies and independants. Cooperation and trust not to misuse the information.


-- Modified on 8/27/2003 7:57:58 PM

thru some backchannels i've heard stories of sickos who try their hand at extremes KNOWING that they can or will easily move on to another agency to carry on their predatory practices

one case in particular was very disturbing (but telling) of this trend. it involved the rape (sodomy at that) of a young girl who was a regular to this scumbag. clearly, this is NOT the case of a guy who preys on new girls (with or without pre-meditation). in this case it was of one of a bastard who having exhausted his ordinary passions with one girl, took it up a notch (to say the least), was blacklisted and "dealt with" and eventually simply moved on, using the same M.O. (Law & Order fans know what i mean) to earn a girl's trust for a while and then go ballistic on her

as it was already stated in this thread, these bastards need to be ARRESTED or they will continue to prey in this manner

One already exists.

Blacklisting a dangerous client from a particular agency is not enough. Yes, there is competition and yes, it can be fierce and cutthroat. BUT, when it comes to a violent person, there is no excuse for simply blacklisting someone from a particular agency and not sharing that information. When it comes to violence and abuse, competition needs to stop and become secondary to everyones safety. If this client has done this with another agency and that agency didn't bother to notify other agencies and independents, then that is simply wrong and inexcusable. NO level of competition is justification for allowing someone else to experience abuse. Whatever agency did that, to you, all I can say is you should be ashamed and you need to examine where your priorities are.

it can actually be worse than that. i've known agencies who placate the girls and/or chastise the sicko, but over the course of time (supposedly for him to "cool off") they may even take him back ("on probation")

heck, i've heard tales (from the girls) of agency owners willfully sending those girls who "misbehave" (owe money, etc) to these perverts as a way of punishing them. anybody who's been around this business long enough shouldn't find these stories too incredulous. it's sickening, but then this is the world we live in. of course, we don't HAVE to and should take all the measures and precautions mentioned, but if someone has a black heart and perpetrates evil then ... anyway [gettin sleepy]  

the scum bags that hurt these lovly providers really need to learn a lesson the courts are to easy on them  then need a visit from the soporanos ang there crew the justice system only works for the guilty the victim get screwed thats my .02
hogan

What exists is a system that ladies dont seem to use,
In order for someone to know that a gentleman is danerous someone has to let others know ,
When speaking with another agency owner who shall remain nameless this person said something to the affect of he pulled that before with one of our girls.
Not letting others know about it does everyone a disservice.

I try my best to keep the ugly side private but the most disgusting thing that happens is that in order to get this type of gentleman to stop bothering their agency they give referals and even references to this type for other agencies.

I know that bringing this forward is clearly not in my best interest and I have already been yelled at by three ladies becuase of it but I will not be the one who sits by and does nothing to stop him from bothering someone else.

If someone else had done as they should have he wouldnt have had the chance to do this again but instead they kept it private , that to me is not acceptable.

If this community doesn't do a better job of policing our own, then someone else will do it and I doubt very many people would like that either.

you're not unveiling anything "subterranean" than experienced hobbyists don't already know

frankly, the girls themselves air this laundry with clients they know and trust (that's how guys like me know about agency owner's shady -- at times despicable -- conduct)

so yes, it is unpleasant and doesn't lighten up anyone's day, but mentioning it does not make you a "fink" or "informant" or anything (not that anyone was thinking that)

There is always the possibility that the hobbyist community can boycott agencies that give such references. We value providers and want to see them protected. If agencies don't stop giving references to abusive hobbyists, the possibility is there to out the agency.
A good agency like yours has a lot of friends.

I'm not trying to start a debate over whether this is a good idea or not. I'm just saying that the potential exists within this virtual community and that potential shouldn't be ignored.

Be safe.

Also, learn Self-Defense.  Just because this hobby expects you to be feminine doesn't mean you can't know how to kick butt if you need to.

This idiot does need to be punished for his crimes. I agree. This has been an unfortunate situation that providers have found themselves in from the beginning of time.
 My one question is for Amber. I don't want this to be taken the wrong way though, I don't in any way shape or form condone this man's behavior. How would you go about reporting such an incident to LE without opening a Pandora's box and exposing the service to investigation itself? Just a thought. It's kind of a tough spot to be in.

She did nothing wrong and nothing to instigate the situation.
I wish I could elaborate but out of respect I really cant .
She was pushed around physically and emotionally berated by a client but there was no legal wrongdoing on her part.
There is no question on that point.
Needless to say its a difficult situation.
I can say that she has read all of the emails that Ive gotten and started helping me return emails to ladies about the situation and is taking a proactive approach rather than sitting back and being victimized.
Thank you all .

Sad as it may sound Magnum, some ladies are not interested in exchanging Bad Client information. I had contacted ladies in the past and proposed the idea, a few I do exchange info with but surprisingly some were not interested. I did however this week start an online group for the ladies who are interested to share this info.

Laura

Hi Laura, I think that is a great thing to do. As for ladies that aren't interested, I don't get it. Information like this being shared could potentially save someone serious injury and perhaps their life. You ladies can be very vulnerable and the more you know about potential bad clients the better. Amber has this guys personal information available, anyone that hasn't gotten it from her is a potential victim. Anyone that has information like this and doesn't share it creates a potential victim. I think the ladies that want to participate ought to have yourselves a get together and work out some ways to better protect yourselves.

afterall your agency (like many others) is in the business of providing *social* escorts as companions. beyond the introduction, collecting both your fees (for time and companionship only) whatever takes place is perfectly 'legal' as it should be. what consentinig adults do thereafter is not your concern and you (and her) have not broken any laws

if she was physically and emotionally abused and there was (of course) no legal wrongdoing, she deserves full protection under the law and this creep's violations can and should be reported, if you wish to do so

unfortuately vermin like him DEPEND on agencies and the girls not doing so for fear of legal complications which are completely unfounded (by the book) ... once again it's all legal and above board, the introduction service you provide, the companionship she provides, and the fees collected by both of you. beyond that what takes place between a man and a woman (consenting adults) is irrelevant to this discussion. she's to be given protection under the law and he's to be held accountable for his violation of it

very true It really is a police matter and not for board vigilantes to deal with

And that is legalization.  

Ultimately, every one of us contributes to endangering ladies when we don't speak out in an effective way to stop a situation where it is dangerous for a woman to complain about assaults.   I know how difficult it is for some of us to "go public" on this issue (me included).  

My first emotional reaction involves some sort of rough justice.  That won't work -- we live in a nation where people should not be assulted and every person should have that protection.   No means no for eveybody in a sexual situation.

It might be useful if every hobbist contacted the Boston Police indicating that they were concerned and that they hoped the police were on top of the situation and working to get the guy off the street or to stop doing this.   It would also be very nice if some of the women's organizations in Boston paid some attention to it.  There may also be a way to get the local papers to pay attention to it.

Clearly, agencies that don't share this kind of information are as morally responsible as organizations that let sexual preditors go without saying anything.  Please, be more responsible than another major organization in our fair city.  Congratulations to people that have spoken out now...Harry

I couldnt have said it better myself.
I also agree with Pad.
Thank you to all of you .

that "vigilantes" are out of place in a situation like this. like someone else in this thread said, sometimes community self-policing goes a long way, especially when the law fails the citizenry cuz of their ambivalence or outright prejudice against folks like us ... i come from a "family" heritage when and where our "godfathers" made sure paisanos behaved themselves and there was no need to take (most of) our dirty laundry to the police cleaners  

i'm also not sure now (upon reflection) that even if (theoretically) this girl HAD broken any laws that would matter. a violation on her person is still punishable under the law.  if i'm illegally parked and some drunk jackass rear-ends me that doesn't mean he gets off scott free from causing bodily harm

I appreciate the gesture but it wasnt in Boston so they really cant help.
I assure you that it is being taken care of and I appreciate you wanting to help.
Lets all try to move on and create a safer enviroment for these ladies.

I'm in Florida but would love to know this guys information to add to my 'do not see' list. He may travel. I agree some ladies do not seem to be as concerned with these problems clients. I try to find out about as many as I can from reading the boards and networking w/ other ladies, and write them down. I really can't think of another way to do it and it is time-consuming to say the least. I have shared this info w/ some ladies I know and trust but you do have to be careful about posting it on the internet as if these guys find out they are on a list, they get upset. But we have to look out for each other.

I recently forwarded a blacklist to a provider I know and trust. I sent it to her and sepcifically asked that it not be posted anywhere. The first thing she did was write back and ask if she could post it on her site. I told he no because of various reasons. I just want her to be safe. I really do like her but hope she will respect my wishes. Sometimes you have to be careful who you share info with. It is unfortunate but this is not an easy business to be in.