You would never think that we would have such scumbags among us. How low can one stoop?

KARMA!

The very thought of a woman having to fear for her safety at a public M&G disgusts me. It was never that way "back in the day" nor should it be today.

As host I take the safety of my guests seriously, as did you. These revelations are very, very disturbing, and I sincerely hope someone with first hand knowledge AND guts, steps forward to either confirm or deny the allegations. Someone must know first hand what happened. To tolerate a predator within our midst is simply intolerable

PT, you are a DRUNK/Druggie and have been falling down shitfaced in public on dozens and dozens of occasions. WHO do you think you are kidding with your absurd post. You've always been a baldfaced liar, and obviously nothing has changed.

I also know Tude, and can vouch that he is a major hobbyist (in fact he saw a girl today), and has been an upstanding member of this site for a few years. PT, upstanding member you are NOT !

Well. I can honestly, and first-person there and last person to leave the establishment, say that the last M&G didn't show any evidence of anyone getting raped, or assaulted at all. There were a few ladies stripping and dancing, and one guy who was a little drunk and 'following' a young lady or two around till he was removed; and is now barred from any events.

I am usually the last one to leave because I do not drink, and have seen several guys staying late and drinking till they couldn't raise the glass to their faces, and have driven several of them home and to hotels after other M&G's, as a kind service to my fellow man; but no one has ever been in an area that I have not been in and able to do such a heinous thing.

And, I do believe you are hiding behind the fact that in your post the first word of the second sentence is 'Heard', meaning you do not have first hand knowledge to any of the allegations you have started in this thread, and in my book holds no credibility at all. If you know these people who you 'heard' this from, then why have you not done your civic duty and brought this attention to the proper authorities, unless you do condone the behavior and are just going to allow it to have happened with no recourse to the perpetrator(s), which now that you make mention of it in a 'knowing' manner, makes you an accessory to it after the fact, and a co-conspirator in any cover-up that 'may' exist if this has really happened.

If you know these people who say this is true, who are they? Why protect people who are protecting an alleged rapist. Still, makes you an accomplice after the fact for saying you know about it and haven't come forward. Betting that none of this is true, and someone has an axe to grind, maybe because they don't get invited because of their own behavior.

Play nice kids.

So read up on the thread and offer something new, or don't.
But stop wasting time and bandwidth on things already addressed and taking the focus off the important issue at hand.

Is not who we are hearing from....but who we are NOT hearing from.

Those supposed prominent members of the ATL community who do have definite knowledge, but are using the noise of others to mask their silence.
Happily hiding in the shadows, hoping that the cacophony of petty debates outside the matter at hand will divert the spotlight from shining on them and their obvious cowardice.

Shame on them. Shame also on anyone who allows them to hide.
One would hope, if there is any hope left, that even in this world of shadows and various levels of deceit in which we operate...that some semblance of honor could still remain.

Perhaps only time will tell.

No?  If a provider was drunk, she was lucky she didn't; and if she wasn’t drunk, she was smart and lucky, I guess.

Heard tell that there’s a certain Good ‘Ole Boy King Shit Wannabe shindigger who likes to test drive little sporty models after they’ve been stalled out, passed out, and hung out on some bad gas. And that’s after he’s pumped ‘em full of that bad gas at one of them shindigs.

Maybe he doesn’t think of it as Rape.  “Shit”, he probably thinks, “that pretty little thing’s been pushing ass since she could drive, having her passed out just makes sure she can’t be chit chattin’ at me while I’m rutting around on top of her.”  “ I’m just doing her a favor of relieving her of the memory of having a sexagenarian huffing and puffing on her while making those stupid little faces,” he probably thinks.

Well, it is, and was, Rape if what I heard tell was right. If she can't say yes OR no, it's Rape.  Doesn't matter if she's a whore or not (insert "You Redneck Motherfucker" here)  You people agree?

Also heard tell that some of his buddies not only know about it, but they don’t see anything wrong with it either. “ Hell,” they probably thought, “he was lucky to get such a docile lay, her being passed out and all.”

What about you people?  You see something wrong with it?  And what should be done if it’s true?

Some of you out there know the truth.  Now’s the time to be out with it.

No hiding behind an alias here, so deal with it.




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at this one since some of the same players were there.

and show ourselves worthy of being called a community.

I would certainly hope that if there is any fire behind all this smoke, and there is an awful lot of smoke from some pretty credible sources, that the perpetrator, or at least someone who's conscious is sure to have been bothering them, would come forward at bring this full fledged into the open for us to deal with.

I don't have any first hand knowledge either, or you can bet your last dollar that I would be shouting it from the highest hill, but SOMEBODY does, and I would certainly like to hear from those that do.

This is as serious an issue as I have ever seen on my many years both on this board and in this town, and I would like to see it dealt with in the light of day and not by hearsay and innuendo.

Come on guys, step up

Word also is that it fairly common knowledge among a very close group.

Word also is that it fairly common knowledge among a very close group.

Seriously, if you know this as a fact not heresay. Go to the cops or
Clarify your allegation, Tude.  
What you say is serious if true and harmful if not.

This really makes me sick.  Sick that it happened, and sick that obviously people know about it and no one has reported it to the police.  

Rape is a violent and forceful crime, no matter the circumstances, and if this is true, someone should be punished accordingly.

of it so that it IS known??

Why would you think that.  At the very least this group
Is made up of the general population. Takes all kinds.
Most of us do at the very least lie if only those of omission.

Whatever.

I'm hoping that its damned few.  But hey, the guy is probably laughing at us right now because he's untouchable, right?

Well, if you'd like to explain your post and the reality of any knowledge to your initial post about a rape happening, I'd be more than happy to make that happen for you! And, the source of your 'heard' information.

Personally I don't take too kindly to the crime of rape, or more so the bullshit accusations of someone who claims to know it happened but is intent on not reporting it, and saying the fact that any lady involved wouldn't report it for un-mentioned reasons (Seriously call BULLSHIT on that one--since he mentions it as a way to justify his own rantings!) is a load of crap! You disgust me and you're nothing but a coward to start a thread like this and do nothing but list unsubstantiated lies about an event, or if it did happen, and you KNOW it did, continue to cover it up. Makes you just as guilty as those who allegedly did it, IF it happened!

Even if it is a prostitute at a hobby party. The first instinct is outrage and
Speculation.
But
I know this hobby is full of people with their own agendas and grudges so
I ask you...do you know this as fact or as rumour?  Are you prepared to
Say names. Is the provider one who is of sound mental state who's word
Means something?

And, maybe tell the folks who organize the M&G's so they do not invite him again!!!!!!!!

Tude, do I know you?

first post, no reviews.  if that's not hiding behind an alias, what is.  you could be the sicko.  

I was there, left early enough that no one was raped on the premises to my knowledge while i was present (maybe 20 mins. after the announcement that the M&G had officially ended and it was now the "after party").  I do recall one younger lady having had enough to drink that I was asking all of her friends/agency-mates if they were going to be driving her home, or making sure she didn't get behind a wheel.  No idea if she was the only one tipsy, since I am not among any group of folks in the know about any such deed.  But it is a little unsettling to have been at a party that allegedly led to that, and to think perhaps I saw a future victim?  Look, this isn't about me, but if part of the purpose of this thread is to discourage M&G in the present form, well, I certainly would suggest some safeguards--logistics might be tricky, but some method of safely getting all the ladies home unless they are in condition to make decisions, well, shouldn't that be part of the goal of a gathering where the phrase is "the ladies are our guests" and that is what the men pay a cover to include?

and unlike the "whore wars" no one appears to have any kind of axe to grind, or any apparent ulterior motives that I can see at least.

Would you rather this be kept in the shadows? Or wouldn't it seem a better idea to get it out in the open where it can be dealt with.

Again, I wasn't at any of the last several M&Gs, but it would seem a simple matter for all those who attended the "after party" to simply come forward and either state categorically that they were there and nothing of that nature ever occurred, or that they were there and that they either suspect or have good reason to believe something actually happened.

After all, I am assuming most everyone that went to the after party are active members of TER who have to be reading this thread. I guarantee you, if this were my party and allegations like this were being thrown around, I would be right out in front of it calling bullshit on my accusers. That's what makes this whole thing rather disturbing to me. I can almost guarantee you that whoever is being suspected of committing this heinous act is someone I know, and more than likely someone I consider to be a friend. I don't like suspecting my friends of acts this vile, so I wish they would get out there and either confirm or deny this so we can go back to having fun fucking willing partners, aware of what they are doing.

direct knowledge.  However, all second hand knowledge is either Rumor, Innuendo, or Credible Information based on source.  I will categorically state that this is Credible Information, or I wouldn't have brought it to the board.

That's as honest as you can ask.  I do know that there are members of this community that DO have first hand knowledge, and I would hope that they come forward.

If the only thing to come out of this is for the ladies to attend certain functions with their eyes wide open, then that's enough for me.  However, I am hoping for more.

You are in a room of STRANGE men you do not know...

This is also one of my biggest fears over M&G and one reason I've never gone...TER M&G are just the "good ol boys clubs"

Disgusting.

Not hiding behind an alias?  Interesting that you have only two posts in past 3000 days.  Both above.  So either you created another profile just to post this and TER is no longer tracking ISP's or you are just an pathetic attention hunting drama queen/king.  Or maybe you are using that second computer/smartphone of yours?  Personally, don't see the difference in any of the options; you are still an idiot.

Coincidentally, I was asked at this event by more than a couple of people why I don't post here anymore.  Thank you, your post is a better explanation than the one I gave.  It amazes me how many of these "I heard" this or that or "so and so said/did" crap makes it on a moderated board.  Bad enough that this entire site is devoted to an activity fraught with LE implications, now we have people making allegations that are beyond misdemeanor offense.  At what point do public posts warrant full legal investigation?

So, to those that asked me why I don't post, allow me to add some thoughts to the answer I gave the other night.   I don't agree with the direction this board has gone.   I have never shied away from an argument or difference of opinions, but it is absolutely no-win when others start spouting the "I heard" or rumors as fact.  And I find it classless and distasteful (certainly not entertaining) to bad mouth individuals either in rumor or fact.  And since I have made my opinions known to those in charge here, and have been lead to believe I am in the minority - then I am not going to post just to impose my feelings on the apparent majority.   I accept the risks of the hobby, but with some of these recent posts alleging drug use, assault, rape, etc - I perceive that risk bar has been set to a new level with which I am not comfortable being associated.  

So you may ask yourself, why am I posting now? - Simple, it will not be moderators or agency wars or catfights that brings this place down - it will be stupidity of its own doing, like the original post in this thread and I have come to like many of the members here.  Course, like everything - this is just my opinion.  Stay safe yall.

on the General Board and boards in the NorthEast where I spent time before coming home.

It ain't about me my friend, it's about credible information.  I didn't name names because I have no FIRST hand knowledge as I wasn't there.  However, the information I have is credible enough for me to bring it here and is NOT just rumor.

venues, whether to hobbyist or provider.  But you wouldn't be surprised.  I stopped posting on the boards awhile ago, but this made me come back to it.

the only one on this thread that is supporting it.  And, there is even info ON this thread that lends credibility:

Something like that would never happen if I was there! Ive seen and actually years ago. so myself included have gotten wiped out drunk at the partys. Ive seen many providers stumbling, pukin drunk at them.. Thats a Danger! Anywhere!

This is a buisness function and should be treated as such. Keeping your wits about you at all times. You really dont know who you are with there. All you know is a buncha user names on a Ho site.

Thats disgusting that this was done and I feel for the provider. The only good thing is she was passed out so maybe doesnt remember.

tyvm,P.T.

Well aquainted with whom you accuse. Age and facial expressions. During sex
Lead me to believe you know this individual well.

I did a search and this user does have posting history on other boards.  TER does track IP addresses.  I'm not sure why you think this thread doesn't belong.  The OP is bringing up an insanely serious accusation.  I don't know what he/she knows, or if the accusation is true.  Still, instead of talking about the subject at hand, you choose to only address that we shouldn't talk about it.  If it's not true, let's get that to the forefront and be done with it.  On the other hand, if ladies are in danger at the hands of a TER member, it is imperative that we know that as well.

You say stay safe, yet you offer no means by which the ladies should do that.  I think as members of the community, we all owe each other that!

belittling on my part because he's a Rapist and deserves it.

Look, if it makes you feel better that I'm not just a troll, without getting into further identities here, will it help if I know your first name begins with R.  This isn't about me, it's about what happened.

validity so that we can get to the core of the issue - safety and making sure the Rapist doesn't have the same opportunities.

If anything, it's about conduct at M&G's, not the Meet and Greets themselves


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When we had those partys that always ended up at one of my places... No One was allowed to leave.. I had yall sleeping eveywhere! A captive audience!!!!!!! But back then we took care of eachother we need to start doing that again!

tyvm,P.T.

at your place on one ocassion than I intended to.
If memory serves me right it was with Jennifer, Amanda, and Casey.

Of TOTAL infamy!!!!!! We were good to eachother back then so much water under the bridge sigh...
BUT that should Not keep us from trying to recapture that!

tyvm,P.T.

Do Not let the ONE asshole screw everything up!

tyvm,P.T.

I don't know anything about the OP.  But the timing is incredible.  An M&G took place very recently which he didn't attend, and now he comes up with this outrageous accusation about a past M&G that took place many months ago, but not this one.  I call bullshit.  I also don't know why so many comments just blindly seem to believe that it happened.  But...

I was at the most recent social event.  In fact I was there from an hour before the start time, and I didn't leave until an hour after the so-called after party began.  I was in fact everywhere in an attempt to speak with as many folks as I could.  At no time did I see anything even remotely close to what is being described here.  So if the OP's hearsay were somehow true, it was certainly not something that happened in front of the huge crowd that was present.  And even when the so-called afterparty aspect began, there were plenty of ladies, none drunk, agency owners, none drunk, and a handful of guys, none drunk in plain view of one another.  So to imply that the behavior the OP alleges is common place at M&Gs is pure bullshit.

Before the bandwagon gets into any higher gear, I submit that it's more likely that this is all a big lie perpetrated by some disgruntled individuals over something intended to discredit the organizers of the M&G.  As others have mentioned, if the OP has credible knowledge, then call the damn cops.  If the OP's alleged source is so credible, then let him come on here and deliver first hand information, or better yet, let him call the damn cops.  OTHERWISE, shut the hell up and stop spreading malicious gossip.  I personally take strong offense to the accusation that something so treacherous happened in an event that I attended with the implication that somehow those present were complicit.

Why?

tude, if you think this happened, don't pussyfoot around on a stupidshit fantasy board.  Take it to the police.  Take it to the perpetrator.   It's a freaking crime of violence, not something you ask people their feelings about.  WTF are you trying to do?  I hope it didn't happen.  Without something more solid, I don't believe it happened.  If you have evidence that it did, do something!

Amen sister

You are truly one of a kind.

Druggie???? hahahahah OK I dunno who you are but yes I used to drink I havent had one in  will be 3 years in Oct.. And Yes I take Prescribed medicine none being of the pain pill variety but yes pills all day long Anyone that knows me Knows Im an exclusive and proud pot head But hey You know everything about me right hahahahahah.. I would like for you to post 1 lie I have ever told you or anyone here!  so take your Venom and shove it cuz You dont matter as you dont know me! And what exactly is absurd about my post.. you make no sense!

tyvm,P.T.

for the ladies to explain to you if you can't figure them out for yourself.  As for the others, the ones who support the provider respect her wishes; and the ones who are complicit with the Rapist would naturally hide.

Accusations?  I haven't accused one person by name.  I have detailed the information as I know it in the forum for this hobby community.  If anything, and judging by the number of reads of OP, this has been linked to other forums, so hopefully the message is out there not to trust these parties enough to get drunk to the point of passing out.

Have I given any other motivation for putting this out there?  No.  So why would YOU object to it being on the board if the motive is to get the message to the ladies for safety?  I would really like to hear a good reason.

I did not attack the Meet and Greet, nor would I, so you don't have to "protect it."

Or do you disagree that the ladies shouldn't get so drunk that they pass out?  Do you disagree further that one of the reasons for this is so that they are not Raped?  

So you heard it from someone and you decided to post. What is your post going to accomplish? If it is true, no one will know and if it is not, you made very serious accustaion without knowledge.

You could be one of those people who misbehaved at a previous M&G and dropped from the invite list and have a bone to pick.

I have been to last couple, except one hobbyist getting drunk and making an ass out of himself (shown the door quickly) every one behaved. Didn't stay late for this one but stay quite late at the last one.

You brought it up, what is it going to do other than starting unnecessary drama?

I am going to say, you are full of it.

As I said, I don't know you from Adam's housecat, but you have come woefully close to crossing some legal matters of your own.  This is not the place for me to litigate, but be advised that I will not sit quietly while someone cast disparaging comments of the severity that you did that may implicate me in the broad net that you cast.  Thus my rebuttal.  If you would like to narrow your initial accusation to a single individual without casting a net around the entire group, then spout off with hearsay all you want, but when your net could be construed to include me, as a simple attendee, we have a problem.  So in fairness, I invite you to narrow your comments and eliminate the broad brush you've used.  Thanks.

wanted to go to the cops, she will.  Gee, I wonder why she wouldn't want to?  And oh gee, I wonder if the guy knew that well enough?

C'mon, who are you guys trying to deflect from?

they obstruct an investigation, it is a different story.  However, and to be crystal clear, that is not what is being discussed.  The discussion centers around knowledge in and of itself.

If you do a search on the GD board and boards in the NE you will fine Tude is no newbie.

Hey DD,

There are a couple important issues here:

1.  A felony is being alleged.
2.  The allegation impunes the entire group.
3.  The OP has willfully embellished the hearsay to include the entire group.

I personally take this extremely serious when it casts me in this way as an attendee.

Perhaps the OP is simply misguided and doesn't realize that despite our silly pseudo names here, he is responsible for his comments and can be held accountable.  I emplore you to edit the original post to explicitly limit the accusation to a single perpetrator and remove any insinuation that his comments refer to the group at large.  Or, delete this entire thread.  Thank you.

If it's true, anyone that was witness to it IS involved.  I'm no attorney, but if you knew about it (to which I won't speculate), you'd be involved as well.  You may convince DD to delete the thread, but in that unlikely event, I'll have to go through the trouble of reapproving all the posts.  That would make me very cranky.

Unlike others who spread heresay, I will admit when I make a mistake.  However, in my defense - I did do a search on your handle and nothing came up this afternoon.  I am obvoiusly not the only one as you can tell from posts above me.  However, I did the same seach just now and there is considerable posting history.  I find that very odd that at least two individuals would make the exact same mistake.  But no matter, you do have credible posting history.  , so I am wrong in that aspect of my previous post.

OK Counsel, let me show you where you are wrong

I HEARD about a rape, the information pertaining to which I passed on to an internet hobbying board and classified it as a Rape IF IT WERE TRUE;

I HEARD that others knew, and therefore, I ASKED if the community considered it wrong that they didn't THINK  anything was wrong with it.

I never stated in any way that the participants of any particular Meet and Greet were involved in any way.

During the discussion of the thread, I specifically have refrained from naming individuals (as you wish me to do and which would cross those lines you keep alluding to (stop baiting me to do so)), and specifically stated WHY - that I had no first hand knowledge.

I've also stated that the reason for the thread itself, IMHO, is so that the message is sent to the ladies to be safe and that this information is out there.

So Counsel, if YOU did not know about it, and YOU did not participate, then I haven't, in any way, impugned you.

I have to wonder, however, as to the motivation to create some cockamamie legal reason to pull the thread, but I'll leave that to EVERYONE'S  own devices to figure out.

Please stop trying to play a lawyer on the internet.

The legal terms you're referring to are "accessory" and "accessory after the fact". Both of which are fully punishable by law as if they had conspired with the criminal himself. Just some food for thought.

issue with the Rapist's cronies is that they obviously don't think it was wrong.

Well, I certainly wouldn't want you to be cranky.. LOL  .. Hell no I have no knowledge of any such thing, if I saw something like that I would have called the DA my damn self on the spot.  And therein lies the problem with the OP's remarks.  As you rightfully point out, those who witnessed such a thing, if it did happen, are equally guilty.  The OP impuned the entire M&G, not just the one of a few months ago in which he claims the felony occurred, but he chose to expand the accusation to include other M&Gs as well as a standard practice.  His timing implies the most recent one of a few days ago.  By any legal definition you'd care to apply, he has made false accusations unless of course he has facts to support that what he describes is a routine occurrence.  And it's not, I can assure you.

I understand the seriousness of the rape accusation and I don't disagree with community awareness being made.  But please don't dismiss the equally serious nature of someone making false allegations on a public forum against an entire group.  Those too become felonies in some instances since the false allegation is accusatory of a felony.  I think in fairness the OP's allegation should be rewritten to remove the broad nature of the accusation and be limited to what he personally knows to be true, or a regurgitation of his source without the broad implication.  As it currently sits, it's highly inflamatory and without any possibility of being true.

This is not the usual thread filled with sarcasm and whore wars, as someone called them.  This has crossed the line and we find ourselves smack dab in the midst of criminal matters, and more than one.  Big difference and deserves prudent judgement.  I think you should reconsider and have the original post limited to remove the broad brush.  Thanks.

Anyone that's determined to have helped cover up a crime can and will be charged as an accessory after the fact. Depending on the jurisdiction, the penalty will be as severe as if they'd committed the crime themselves. More food for thought.

Not sure as in disagree or not sure as in you did not understand.  This would not be the first time I have accused a mo, no, scratch that - you of selective reading of my posts.  

I have it from a reliable source that you have a reading comprehension issue, in addition to many other issues.  Now I have no proof, but I did hear that from a credible source.  So it must be true, right?  Since you are a very integral part of TER, I think we need to bring it to the hobbying community.  

A lame example I know - but without stating the proof or providing the credible info - this remains as useful to this community as all those provider busts that I recall you mentioning to the OP were of no value to the hobbying community when made sans proof. I think we all owe each not to spread this malicious gossip sans proof and based on heresay.   Especially given the potential legal ramifications of such a claim.

And for the record, I am one of those individuals that helps out with screening at M&G. I am one of those individuals that makes sure all new ladies are informed of the safety measures we have at the party.  In fact, I personally tried to escort as many of the ladies to their cars the other night as I could. The party before this one - there was another gent that was designated to escort the ladies to their car.  He was better looking so the ladies waited for him.  I think some of the ladies may not have waited on me to come back to escort them, but I digress.   Why did we do this?  Not to get some cheap grope, but for their safety and because I thought it the courteous thing to do.  So yes, the santimonious BS of some petty, vindictive individuals pisses me off.  And don't tell me that some of the posters in this thread do not have an agenda - I know better.  And I base that off the behind the scenes bickering over who was and was not invited.  My apologies to the event organizer, but I shall not be participating any further in M&G's.  

BTW - Tude, are you accusing me of this alleged act?  Sadly, in all the years I have been participating in one form or fashion in the M&G, I have left every event alone.

PS And before someone thinks I am actually making that as a statement about LP - it is BS I just made up.  I could have made it more sensational, like LP steals the lady's undergarments but the actual accusation is not the point.   The point is how easily we trash an event based on heresay and how everyone automatically assumes the heresay to be true.  As DD once posted to me, that is just wrong in oh so many ways.

read the OP and ALL of my responses.

As to the thread, there are no legal lines being crossed.  Any reply stemming from my OP is DISCUSSION of the OP, and therefore is protected speech.

Look, you need to turn off Matlock and go get laid.

If nothing else, true or not, this is a good reminder for the ladies to stay safe and monitor their own activities in such an environment. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with the OP if for nothing else it may make people think and keep themselves and each other safe. I've never been to a m&g but I've had a young lady tell me a guy tried following her home from one. Apparently she drove around long enough to lose him. Of course, that's hearsay too I suppose.

Re: OK Counsel, let me show you where you are wrong

As I've already told you, this is not the place to litigate and I won't.  I've made my points to both mods who are in a position of authority and who have the ability, if they so choose, to insure that laws are not being violated on this board even though they are not the ones making the accusations.  I offered a couple suggestions to do that.  There call now.

I also acknowledged that I don't know you from Adam's Housecat, and the opposite is true.  You don't know me either.  It would be to your advantage to "assume" that I do know what I'm talking about.  If you make that assumption, then you can also make the assumption that it would be best if you did not make any further associations with a group at large, and the commission of a felony.  There are some who just don't think this is funny despite your stated objective to alert the community about an alleged crime.

And no, merely witnessing and not reporting is not enough.  That would make victims who don't report an accessory  food for though

Smoke. Fire. This wouldn't be the first time a rape victim was afraid to come forward. Know whud I mean?

Never gonna happen with these guys. Only hope is for the victim to go to the police. That's never gonna happen either.

I find this post to be outrageous by some guy who was not even at the M&G. These M&Gs are safe and well run. At the prior m&g, a guy got too drunk and harassed a provider.  He was escorted out and the lady was escorted safely to her house by me. At anogther prior event, a provider got to drunk and she was safely taken home by myself and another provider.  

I do know that agency owners who do not support these events, tell the ladies all kinds of stories to scare the girls from going to these events.  They are afraid that the girls will go to the event and leave their agency.  I personally know this from a reputable lady.

I just don't understand thus post. But, it does not seem to help the community in any way. I certainly does not warn the ladies about a dangerous guy. If this guy really wants to help, tell the ladies who this guy is, so that they can stay away from him... THAT would be helpful.

On the entire M&G process, and you specially imply that the men attending this last event are either rapist or condoning it and that all the ladies at this event were at grave risk.

Regardless of how you "clarify" and how others agree or disagree with you, you set the tone in that first sentence, and I think that is why people are responding ascif you are attacking M&G in general, and every guy who attended

I get all of your subsequent points, and if they are really true, whether occurring this last event or prior, it has destroyed a memory of a great time I shared for the very first time as a member of this hobby, and I doubt my conscience will ever let me repeat.  I was late getting there, and left before after party ended, I met so many incredible ladies I hope to see in future, I did not see Ny ladies anywhere near that level of drunkenness and the two I saw who were borderline not sober, had stone cold sober friends nearby and acting as drivers.  But you very first line made this entire event into a preditor fest, I cannot support.  And honestly, I think that was your intent.

I could list credible silent references that you are an asshole, but it does not make it true.

Even if I copied links to your own post, where you self describe yourself as an asshole, does not make it so.

Only your own actions, and how others with direct experience with you could make that claim, and based upon my encounters, I do not think it would be easily proven.

This post, the entire series is based upon rumor, "reliable but un-named sources", and implied conspiracy hints, but NO FACTS and NO SPECIFICS.  Thats why this thread is so disturbing on so many levels

his chance to claim later that there was consent before she passed out and a further bastardizing of that defense by claiming that he didn't know she had passed out after consent was given.  That's just one theoretical reason as to why there wouldn't be a denial.

Sometimes silence is as damning as anything else.

If anyone is wasting bandwidth is the mod's for letting this go on for this long. Like I said, I was at the last two M&G everyone was behaving respectfully to each other. The truth is, most of the opinionators, pontificators and drama queens including OP was not there, tell me who is wasting bandwidth with rumors and striing up shit by heresy?

I do not see a single provider (except Ginger Taylor), whom I did not meet opinionating. For reasonably intelligent people, this appears to be an effort by the OP and whomever told the rumor monger OP and agency owner who told the Turde are only trying to discredit the event from taking place in the future. There were agency owners, indpendents and agency providers there, and it is strange that no one has posted shit on this thread.

So, DD, go figure, who is wasting bandwidth?

A good number of you can't just say that you don't believe it, you have to deem the thought of it to be ridiculous and outright lies.  That is the theme of the entire thread below. Once deemed ridiculous and outright lies, you people who don't believe it happened then have to try to come up with some nefarious reason for why it would be made up.

Simple question.  What makes your belief that it did not happen more valid than my, and others', belief that it did? If none of us were there, what makes you so right and me so wrong that it has to be that I am making this up for some other agenda?

During this entire thread, I consistently said that this was not about any particular Meet and Greet, but about conduct at parties and the safety of the ladies.  Yet somehow I've been labeled anti meet and greet and part of some grand conspiracy against fun loving TER Met and Greeters.

Only a few know what happened.  The rest of us don't know if it DID or DIDN'T.  I believe it did, you believe it didn't, but neither of us more right in our beliefs than the other.

This is directed at more people than the post to whom I replied.

No one can win or survive unscathed here.  Every one is now stained if at either this meet and greet or the last be the posters alleged facts.

I can say, while at this party, official and private, I saw nothing like this behavior, but the way tude has set up the argument, I am lying or hiding the truth.  If I say nothing, then tude has set up that I am either the rapist or concealing him.

Meanwhile no one has come forward as the victim, no one has come forward as a witness, no one is named as the criminal.  What tude has put forth here is the worst kind of smear campaign, that not even Chicago politics would have succeeded at.

If I was your neighbor, and we were having a drink at the waterway, and I denied any part of this, could you really believe me or would there always be a shadow of doubt that it was me?  In lack of ANY proof or reality you could not accept my statement short of pure trust.

That is why this post is so wrong and should not be on the board.  I should not know of the rumor because itvis the worst kind of mud slinging.  It is on peer with anti prostitution a-holes posing as hobbiest and asking questions of ladies about how demeaning and degrading the practice is.

This post has only one intent - to destroy the meet and greet by spreading fear and disgust to all associated.  Sorry, there is no noble superhero in tude, looking out for the ladies.  He has a huge fucking ax to grind on someone and has perfectly positioned an argument stream to destroy the event, tarnish the participants, and focus huge doubt, thru verbal slight of hand, on a small list of names.  Tude needs to work as obama's re election campaign, his skill here was excellent

And for the record, this was my first M&G, I was there after it started left before the after party ended, but saw no lady that drunk who did not have a stone cold sober person watching her.  So I do not believe anything like this happened this week.  But you can only have faith in me when we next share beers at home.

The content of this entire thread could be a case study taught in Tort 101.  I again urge this thread to be removed.

Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, or confidence; or induce disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injury to one's good name or reputation is affected through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing these torts are identical.

To recover in a libel or slander suit, the plaintiff must show evidence of four elements: that the defendant conveyed a defamatory message; that the material was published, meaning that it was conveyed to someone other than the plaintiff; that the plaintiff could be identified as the person referred to in the defamatory material; and that the plaintiff suffered some injury to his or her reputation as a result of the communication.

To prove that the material was defamatory, the plaintiff must show that at least one other person who saw or heard it understood it as having defamatory meaning. It is necessary to show not that all who heard or read the statement understood it to be defamatory, but only that one person other than the plaintiff did so. Therefore, even if the defendant contends that the communication was a joke, if one person other than the plaintiff took it seriously, the communication is considered defamatory.

Defamatory matter is published when it is communicated to someone other than the plaintiff. This can be done in several different ways. The defendant might loudly accuse the plaintiff of something in a public place where others are present, or make defamatory statements about the plaintiff in a newsletter or an on-line bulletin board. The defamation need not be printed or distributed. However, if the defendant does not intend it to be conveyed to anyone other than the plaintiff, and conveys it in a manner that ordinarily would prevent others from seeing or hearing it, the requirement of publication has not been satisfied even if a third party inadvertently overhears or witnesses the communication.

I have good friends that were at the particular M&G, ah it was the one three or five times ago.

The lady was a very young provider, she wore a tight one piece with a top to bottom zip front and over course of evening everyone saw she had no underclothing.

You were observed hanging tight around her all evening, buying her drinks non stop.

What I heard was, you took her into a store room, in back as she was clearly getting extremely drunk, everyone thought you were taking her outside to get some air.  But you took her into this store room laid her out on some cases of beer, unzipped her dress and was going to town.  When one of the organizers walked by, had been watching the girl, and grabbed you, pulled you away from her, and in outrage saw you were not even using a condom

You were immediately removed from the party and banned for life.  The girl was taken to the home of a highly regarded agency, and when told of the event declined to press charges because she wanted to have you all night as a customer and did not want to have wrong idea in this market of what could occur with her, besides she really did not have any indicators of rape because you were clearly to drunk and small to penetrate her.

BTW EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE WAS MADE UP, USING SAME LINE OF LOGIC TUDE HAS USED THIS ENTIRE SERIES.

I am not saying it did or did not happen.  I am saying this entire thread is crap, double talk, and innuendo.  No one can defend their reputation against this type of post, whether they say nothing or violently deny it happened.  Tude you have raped the reputation of the meet and greet event, you have raped the confidence of every woman or man who ever has or ever thought of attending one of these, you have raped this forum with you self righteous hate mongering designed to only harm a small group of members and former members of this site.

That is why so many people seem to be expressing disbelief that it happened.  Because of you methods of grinding this particular ax

or lavish too much credit on this creep.  he's just a lying sos with no libido and too much time on his hands.

I don't believe it. Happy now. You need to name names a help keep a dangerous guy away from the Ladies.  Why won't you help out the Ladies. This is important!

I wanna hear whud ya have to say when the truth finally comes out and the rapist is exposed for all to see, Mr. Lawyer.

be specific counsel, take what quotes you can and apply them to the elements.  If we're back in Law School, hold yourself to a high standard.

You are making assumptions too (alluding to your previous post)  I've taught Torts my friend, don't you think I know how to write a post that would not engage this kind of thing?

You don't know my sources.  However, I do, and I am willing to bring this onto the boards for discussion.  I have no FIRST hand knowledge, so I am NOT naming names.  That's my compromise with the information that I have.

I'll take the hit, and I'm sure that my name is mud around here and therefore any participation in this forum, or any other TER forum, will suffer from it.  I'm ok with that.

I like Pop Torts. They're yummy and go great with milf. But before you get thrown off subject, just tell everyone who ya think it is. Shine tha light and tha moths will cum runnin to tha flame. Know whud I mean?

I'm just generally lying.  Why?  If you don't believe it, OK - but why make up some nefarious reason for me to put this amount of time and effort into something.  Could you at least consider that I just think it's important?

In absence of facts, identities, and very clear principles of evidence, any one can grind an ax and ruin a reputation.  The selection of an alias was demonstrates the evil shadow whispering like you have started can create

You so artfully crafted your hints that a very small list of names come to mind, and they will have rape tied to them in minds of casual participants of this forum for a long time.

The sad thing is, even though I boldly explained I made every thing up, you now will have exact same impression left on those same minds.  People will only remember the story I created because it sounds real and spreads dirt about a person, they will forget the disclaimer.  You now a rapist in the rumor loving minds of the average human being.

 That is the harm this entire thread does, and my use of the alias just makes the point more dramatic

I think you're saying that I defamed you because you are part of a group.  There is no "Meet and Greet Group" to be defamed.  Defamation is a personal tort, which means either a person or entity.  There was nobody named and there is no entity.  

What you are contemplating is some sort of class action.  There are no class action defamation claims because each person so classified would have to have been individually defamed (back to square one).  That tree you're barking up is about 2 kilicks off the path my friend.

Or as holy as the martyr christ on a cross.  That is not the point.

Yes I absolutely believe this post is important to you, no one puts in this much skill, talent, and time to a train wreck of a post, to stay just this side of outright verifiable claims.

My contention is the motive for the importance, and I can find no redeeming rationale here except targetted and malicious assault on the reputation of a few individuals and an event for grounds undefined.

Once I believe your motive, and have specific facts to evaluate your "just sayin" and "I have heard" are crap and only causing harm

You are correct, I personally do not like the use of aliases, even more so if it's used only to mask a comment that the poster would never make face to face.

In the situation from the original post, most of us honestly do not know if this event actually happened, or if this is another agenda laden post to get people up in arms. I don't go to M&G's, but they seem to be similar to an office holiday party, or a college frat party. Situations occur, accusations, rumors, etc. Unless, facts are available to those not directly involved, that's all we have. Bottom line for this and the related threads....Rape is rape no matter who or where it occurs, end of story. We all need to be aware of the danger of putting youself in a situation that you can't control. I believe you have made your point. Can we all now move forward?

Is sweeping this under the rug the logical fix for this situation?  Let's go with the theory that it may be true.  I'll be crass for a second and say forget about the girl that would have been victimized.  What about the one who is next?  If you have a female in your life, could you look her in the eye after she's been raped and say that it could have been prevented but you chose to sweep the facts under the rug that might have prevented it?  What's the risk that it's false?  Future parties are less fun?  I fail to see how that is an equal value.  Apparently you've never known a woman that has been raped.  I have.

yeah it's important!  nobody denies that allegations of rape are important.   do you think you're special because it's important to you??  your allegations deserve attention outside of this forum.  they never should have been brought into this forum.  go out and do something respectable and bring the perpetrator to light.   you're accomplishing nothing here despite your grandstanding.  you've proven to be as lame as your wannabe lawyer arguments.  

My motive is to educate and shed what light I can. If the light isn't bright enough, so be it - its as bright as I can make it.

My hope is that the next time a lady goes to a party or gathering, she'll remember this thread.

This whole thread will be a forgotten memory for most members by the time the next M&G comes around. Its the nature of people. Do you honestly think I'm trying to sink the ship with a thread on a hobby board?  Do I seem that stupid to you?

Emotions are high right now, but that will fade. I know that. My hope is that the message gets through. If the lady in question comes forward to LE, that's the best result. However, that particular road is one of the hardest, especially given her profession and I also understand if she doesn't take that road. I'm sure the guy thought that as well when he did what he did. In fact, he probably counted on it.

(edited to add EOM, which should go on all subject line only messages. DD)

Look, you seem to be having a bit of a problem with reading comprehension, so let me once again try to help you.  As an aside, I have already tried to help you multiple times but none are so deaf as those who won't hear.

I'm not contemplating a damn thing.  And, for the third time, "I don't litigate on a public forum, this is not the place".  Are we clear on that?  You do not know where I'm heading on anything.  Our primary mod has a habit of leaving controversial threads alive and well because eventually the true motives of the participants will come out and become crystal clear to even the most casual observor.  I personally think he erred on this one because of the nature of the allegations, but that's his call.

If you had godlike motives, you would have addressed your concern in many other different possible ways, the right ways I might add.  You would have notified LE.  Or, you would have assisted the alleged victum in making the incident known to other females on private boards.  Or, you would have contacted the alleged perps directly since you clearly allege that you know who you suspect they are.  You had many different ways to actually accomplish something but instead, you chose to arm yourself with a verbal machine gun, taking aim at an entire group with no care whatsoever to protect the innocent. In a word, this is "libel".  But the presence of this thread puts more in jeopardy than this because when LE reads this thread, and they will, there is probable cause for investigation because you have alleged a felony.  So, yes, I am damn upset with what you have done for those two reasons.

Virtually every word you have written has attempted to move your false further toward the complete destruction of the M&G body as a whole.  Not one word from you has moved the debate any closer to identifying an alleged perp.  Your motives are clear; your complicity is becoming more clear; and the very message that you claim to want published has served no constructive purpose except to cast into doubt the reputation of those who are associated with the group you have attacked.

I hope you get it this time and that you will step back and comprehend the astonishing and unwarranted verbal attack that you have launched.  And in the end, you owe a public retraction and apology to every single person associated with M&Gs.

But, this is NOT about whether a rape did or did not occur.  It is about rumoring, allegations, and innuendo based upon hearsay with sole purpose of driving an agenda, my contention being, to specifically harm a person and an event.

LP you can look under the covers and see my identity.  You know I have history of protecting ladies and posters from wrongful attacks.  I sat with a father, a friend, the night his daughter was raped on a campus.  The fury and anger I have for that act is scary even to me.

But this thread is not about rape, rape is the window dressing for some other agenda and I am calling foul.  

PW, I am not afraid to make my points face to face.  My position in these threads is not one of cowardness.  I am using the alias to further drive home a point about the nastiness of this assault against the reputation of members of this community in absence of any tangible proof points, as much as can exist in a board of handles and secret activities.

If a rape happened, it was a vile and disdainful act
The lady, if raped, would have only been tormented worse by the legal system, both prosecution and defense
The man, if guilty, is a right royal bastard
Ladies should always be smart in interaction with unknown men, especially at parties, and rely on friends
The lady, if raped needs love, support, and kindness


Where we are divided
Your motive and intentions
This post forces the woman to relive the pain, making you callous and vile to her needs
My perception that you only want to smear the reputation of other members
The value of this thread, I believe it does no good to the lady, the event, or the board

Not at all, and re-reading my post don't see how it could be interpreted that way? I said rape is rape no matter where or when....the point I was making is that in this specific example, how many of us actually know if this specific event occured, or when it occured, or where it occurred? If it did happen, then the perpetrators should be prosecuted to the fullest. Not sweeping anything under the mat....just reading a continuing stream of back and forth posts, with no movement. I know.....my right to stop reading....but I did so, hoping to see some resolution.  My mistake....

P.o.- just to clarify...my alias comment was in response to Tude's reply about aliases. Your explanation on your use in this example was fully understandable.

Some peeps will be apologizin, but it aint gonna be Tude. Word.

Beautiful post! Another 'heard' it from a reliable source. Then pretty much bows out of the community.
That's reliable!

Ok, enough of this denying, deflecting, disrespectful bullshit!

Same thing I told little phil in a pm, after he felt the need to send me one outside the post.

Calling out the claimers! If you have the true knowledge of this really happening then come out from under your rocks and lets do what should be done. I challenge any and everyone who says this happened, either by first-hand or--oh wait, no one has first-hand knowledge of this, well then Tude, and little phil, and all you others who claim it happened, via hearsay, now is your chance to prove this really happened. Produce the source, and I will meet with them, and take an official statement from them, with either lawyers or LE and lawyers present, and they will start the investigation and do it the way it should be done, not here on an un-moderated, wide open board.

No bullshit 'she doesn't want to come forward' excuses, no 'she won't file a complaint because of her situation', that is all bullshit and you folks stating that are just hiding behind it because you have no basis for the allegations first-hand.

So, now is your chance to put-up or shut-up!
I am putting it out there, to anyone with the balls, or courage for the ladies, step forward and lets start the 'due-process' here and take it from this petty little place to the real world where it should be--if it happened!

Lets go, now is your time to shine for real!

Anyone??

PM me if you're 'shy', but its time to hear the real story from the source, and it needs to be heard by the real people who can/will do something about it.

His silence is deafening. One would think he would want to speak out !

and just WTF do you think gives you the right to claim standing in this matter?

I've got plenty of fucking balls, and enough ball to tell you that you don't have the fucking right to demand a goddamned thing, much less meet with witnesses, call LE and start criminal proceedings on a matter that you don't know a bit more about than any of the rest of us.

Do us all a favor and kindly Go Fuck Yourself and STFU in no particular order.

The only thing I do agree with you on is that it is high time that the people that have first hand knowledge of the situation need to step the fuck up and tell us first hand what did or did not happen that night.

Hi PT, I got a call from Gary and he is doing well, and he sent me your regards. Right back at ya, Sweetie.

It's been many years since I've been on the TER discussion boards, and things have really changed. A lot of the gals that I used to see, are nowhere to be found!!
You stir up a lot of good feelings.
Will get back at ya, in the near future.

Lots of hugs and kisses all over the place.

O2

Dude, you're wrong. I'm as frustrated as you are

That this thing has become about the Meet and Greet. The rape happened after a party, I never said it was the M&G, but the M&G was the most recent party in town AND (read closely) the same guy was at BOTH parties. That is why I started my post that way. Go back and read my OP with that in mind, please.

Now, as to my motivation. I too have had my own personal connection to a Rape victim. This thread IS about Rape. Ask yourself how you would have approached this on the board if:

1. The provider, for good reasons, won't go to the authorities;

2. The other three people from the provider's side and who also have 1st hand knowledge won't come forward in order to respect the provider's wishes AND b/c the guy is a hotshot in the community so they are afraid to take him on; And

3. The only other option left to you is to bring it out here with the above limitations on how much info to release (because those with 1st hand knowledge will speak privately but not publicly due to those reasons above).

You say you envy how I conducted this thread. Consider doing this with both hands tied behind my back as per the limitations above, AND everyone twisting my motives because I can't untie those hands and give the info they want.

Why do it then, if its such a chore?  Go back to that room you were talking about and the hand you were holding and remember how you felt.  This IS important enough to me to do this thing.

You say I'm out to get members by character assassination.  In one way, you are right.  Ultimately, the right character will be assassinated by this discussion, I can only hope.  In the meantime, I will do what I feel that I have to do to shed whatever light I can on the issue.

I'm NOT stupid.  I don't believe that this thread will amount to anything in the grand scheme of things, and if I was trying to attack any group or individual with some other motive, this is NOT the way I would do it because once it falls to page three, it's a distant memory in the collective mind.

Given all of the above, please indulge me and re-read my posts and this thread.

including ones that I have hosted, without the slightest fear of being raped while they slept.

We are supposed to be a community that cares about one another, not a bunch of frat boys willing to stick our dicks into any hole that doesn't object.

awww I had been emailing and you havent answered.. I was worried and thinking about you!

tyvm,P.T.

Not a threat sport, just mentioned what the proper procedure is for individuals who cover up a crime!

No, not right! You have never met me and seem to have just assumed that I am supporting the alleged perpetrator, which is all wrong. You obviously don't know me well enough to insult me like that, so please feel free to apologize at any time.

Its obvious that all the excuses for her not coming forward, etc have clouded the judgement of folks from the real issue--a RAPE may have been committed!!!!  Doesn't matter who it was against, it was a RAPE, and I don't condone it no matter who did it, even a friend! I'd turn in my own brother if he did something like this!!!!!!!!!!!!

At this point it is clear that the one who started the thread, and those who also have supported it with hear-say pretty much had no intention of bringing anyone to justice for the alleged crime, but sling mud and constantly slander someone for their own purposes. So, I'm done here with this one, you kids have it all to yourselves. Have a better one!

I read down through this thread and it makes me cringe a little.   I was at the M&G, my first, and I didn't see anything awry.  But I'm not in the "know" as others in this thread seem to be and am somewhat like Taylor...in that I'm a more private hobbyist.   I talked to several sane people at the M&G and I hope I can do that again..........

Well, thank you for calling me disrespectful when I was trying to bring an alleged rapist to justice!
And I do my laundry on Mondays, so if you want, I'll put out a chair under a nice umbrella so you can sit while I hang some on the fence so you can see it.

And there u have it, all I have been trying to do is get these folks to step up. TY for making my point GaGambler. The means sometimes justify the ends, even if no one understands them.

It seems to take a different turn to get folks to see straight sometimes.

I could care less about all these stupid ramblings, my main point is what may have happened to a young lady and if it did, make sure the perpetrator is punished, period!

I think here is where our personalities differ.

It is because your hands were tied by those you say were in the know, you should have been silent.

You did not, you became a board vigalante.  You became the poster child of some of this boards worst behavior.

And in you desire to create mob justice, I am afraid, and merely speculating, that you:
1) have inflicted hurt on the poor lady reportedly raped, by attempting to force her and her friends public, and making her renew the focus over again if it happened
2)  offered nothing definitive enough for rational discussion, but only enough to encourage mob rage and white knight defense
3). Have harmed all the ladies on this site, by bring to the fore light a real concern in this industry thatvi hope and pray is a rare event
4). You have failed to drive the root cause of this issue to closure,  a nameless person cannot be punished.  A nameless victim cannot receive justice, peace, or love.

I also would not have hidden from my social and moral obligations, but first would have respected the wishes of the lady, and if the risk was so heinous, as I will admit you seem to believe, I would have first directly confronted the "gentleman" via private means and if I truly was so outraged that I could not contain the private wrath I would ave unloaded with a public fury few would ever forget.

So if I have offended you in my attack on your method, please forgive.  In no way am I defending the individual I can suspect but never know if he is worthy of the title man, let alone gentleman.  The fact that i can think of three potential handles as candidates, really pisses me off that at least two of them should be blameless.  However, I just see your approach as much less noble, sacrifing, or beneficial as I think you expected.  I grant you the courage to act independently, I hope you can see my side as well, that I disagree with the choice

I hate this happened and rape is no joke! Provider or not rape is rape! I do believe there is more than one way to deal with a peace of shit like this.  a few "big brothers" come to mind.  
My heart goes out to the provider this happened to and to the "BOY" that did this here is a word for you, KARMA!! Not sure if your ass will get raped one day but it will come back to you.
If rape is a guys thing then why not just schedule with a submissive woman and play it out. Makes no sense to me.
Hugs and kisses
TL

LOL. You think Tude is hurtin the girl with his post? Tell ya waht. The dude that raped the girl hurt her hella worse. The raped girl is clapping her hands right now and sayin Halleluya! Finally!@ Praise Geehova!!! Thats the truth, Truth!

You left out the part where you threatened me, but I suppose that wasn't meant for everyone to see.  Never mind, forget I said anything.

LOL bro. Ya prob also think that Casee Anthony didnt kill her kid since she was found not guiltee LOL. I do think that tha raped girl shud go ta tha police. Put that basterd behind bars. And if his friends threaten her tha police will take care of em as well bro. That's the truth, Truth.

would subject this victim to the likes of you.  Your bullshit, Good Ol Boy, I'll take care of this shit, attitude is the problem here, not the solution.

I've got to wonder, and have someone read  this to you slowly, why in the Fuck are you so worked up about this??

This woman, if real, was victimized in the worst way.  This entire thread is a continuing abuse of her.  First by violating her expressed wishes to be left alone and not pursue the matter expressed directly confidents.  Second by providing additional evidence to her that people cannot be trusted because they could not keep faith with her needs and blabbing to tude.  And third by having her horrid experience, if real, banged around in this thread just to satisfy an anger and agenda of someone not directly involved nor directly trusted by her.  And finally having the whole experience relived and once again seeing no justice.

Your truth lacks humanity and compassion.  I am not a woman, and I do not know this woman, but I have experienced indirectly and thru people I call and love as friends.  There is no joy here, great truth.  There is fear, there is pain, there is grief, and there is often high degrees of self doubt to her value as a loving and generous woman.

My great truth is sadness for all women who read this thread.  I have accepted that tude feels he needed to do the right thing, but I still disagree with the action, because he failed to reflect on the unintended consequences and the hurt I truly believe he has caused.

But you are just part of the lynch mob mentality represented here, you are not about healing or justice, you just want a gallows spectator sport and mob vengeance based upon a shared agenda.  

I do understand Taylor's response, and think I must join her in her decision, this society no longer hears or respects the humanity involved.

I thought you weren't going to post anymore??????

Perhaps you should throw on your Captain Save A Hoe cape and just allow other providers to PM you with the alleged rapist's name so they don't have the same thing happen to them.

Or wait, are you a bro's before hoe's type of girl?

I completely agree with respecting this girl's choice to remain anonymous, Taylor, but you aren't doing anything for her or the rest of the community either.  So, since you already believe this community is "fucked up" what the hell do you have to gain by keeping this info to yourself?

There is no other info in this entire thread.  

Shaking my head.

you used the term "we" in your subject line.  You also said, "this victim."  Does that mean you know the name / identity of this girl/lady?  If so, I would hope you or anyone with direct knowledge of the identity would convince her to make a legal report.  Perhaps if you went with her?  

I have read posts asking why this person or that person has not posted in this thread.  How do you know he/she has not?  For that matter, why is this credible source that keeps being referenced not stepped forward?  Perhaps that person has posted, but why would they not say they are the credible source if they are so reliable?  Afterall, these are some pretty serious allegations and not to be taken lightly as the way they have been made impune many individuals' reputations.

Tude, you made reference to our Constitution in an offshoot in this thread, whatever happened to presumed innocence, i.e innocent until proven guilty?

Tha morals of tha story iz Boys, plz dont fuck women who r lyin there drunk n paased out jus cuz she cant say no to ya then.

Shakin my head that your puttin this on tha girlz. Werd.

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an answer for you.  My preference would be that she goes to the authorities.  However, I also firmly believe that, especially now, she needs to be empowered to make her own decisions.

If the lady want to remain silent and not pursue it should be respected and I don't give a flying fuck on your opinion on what should happen. You have no fucking right to force further victimization on her. Yes that is what would happen. There is great feelings of shame that can come with this crime! I know, I have both seen it and lived it. If you haven't shut the fuck up!

Do you know the hell it is to be raped and fell no one will believe you? I do. I am telling this story as it needs to be told so all can understand the victims need for this to go way. I was raped. I was raped because I was the the wrong color in the wrong part of town, at night, alone. I was ganged raped. Two women and two other men stood and mocked me ans three men held me down and took turns raping me.

I did try to get help. I called a rape hotline, and the volunteer said because I am male, "we don't help rapists." I told no one of what happened for years, because after that phone call I felt it was all my fault as men don't get raped, because I felt it was my fault because I should have been able to stop them and because of fear of being shunned. It destroyed who I was. If my rape was forced into public knowledge there is no way at that time I could have endured. Especially if people said I deserved it. I was near suicidal, it would have pushed me over the edge.

As a provider, the lady that is the victim would face likely worse accusations then I would as a man. There is a real chance she could end up in jail and the rapist get off. It is why my wife did not pursue her rapist. In this case the victim will stand trial even if the rapist does not.

In truth it would have been better if I manned up and talked to the police, same with my wife. There are some real bad men out there because of our silence, but doing so would have destroyed both of us. The victim in this cases should as well, but only she knows if she has the strength to do so and her wishes need to be respected.

Your disregard for the victim sickens me. Your whole stance is bullshit. Fuck you. I agree it would be best if the lady in question would choose to come forward, but only she should make that choice. Jojofo, you are a disrespectful ass. May all your dirty laundry become public knowledge as that is what will happen to the victim.

This whole thread is fucking bullshit. I don't have a clue what happened. I do know if this happened this thread is likely hurting the victim, which I think is likely, if not it is hurting those accused wrongly. Unless the victim, the accused, or anyone else with first hand knowledge step forward and be counted this thing should be closed. For the victims sake.

that others DO care.

It's truly sad that you look out for one person, and one person only.... yourself.

Ironic that the alleged rapist probably had that same mentality.

Serve all you want Taylor.  

The OP made the following statement in his initial post, "Also heard tell that some of his buddies not only know about it, but they don’t see anything wrong with it either. “ Hell,” they probably thought, “he was lucky to get such a docile lay, her being passed out and all.”

This has been expanded by others in this thread to include those that had anything to do with setting up a M&G.  I have already stated I have assisted in M&G's.   I even stated what I knew about them, but no one seems to care what one who has been directly implicated has to say.  No one seems to want to provide dates or even the remotest semblance of fact.  I wasn't named per se, hell, no one has been.  But the fact remains that I have clearly been implicated and anyone I have ever contacted, whether it be a provider from whom I requested a reference or invited; to a gent who has asked me a question is aware that I had a role in M&G's, no matter how small.  And that includes LE who may take the initiative to go back and note that I commented about what reference information I needed to verify gents in posts made long ago.

These allegations are vile, the act itself is beyond vile.  And I wholeheartedly concur that unless the alleged victim herself is willing to go forth, this thread offers her no peace or comment.

So, I do have a fucking right to demand to know who is saying or alleging I know something and further by keeping silent am supporting or condoning such a hideous thing.  I have very little I hold dear beyond my family, but my character is one of those things.  Based on your posts, I thought you valued your character as well.   Pissed?  You bet I am, someone has directly implicated me among a group of individuals and many of you fuckers owe me a public apology.  And that is the truth!  

Fact is the only one you can trust to keep you safe is you and those that love you. It is never wise to get shit face drunk in front of strangers even if they are among those that "supposed to be a community that cares about one another". The lady in question made a foolish judgement in choosing to do so. That being said it does not excuse the actions of the perpetrator in this one bit. He should still fry if this indeed happened. The victim is not at fault, the rapist is. She did not rape herself and thus carries no blame in this.

Saying it as a Public Service Announcement to the ladies who attend these functions.

To clarify:
Now that it has been brought to the attention of the Atlanta board that there is an alleged rapist among the community that attends social functions, ladies, please be mindful and cautious of how much you drink for your own safety.  Please do not get so drunk that you pass out, and maybe utilize the "buddy system" and attend these events with another person so you two can look out for one another's best interests.

It has always been much safer for a person, man or woman to stay the night at whoever has thrown a party in Atl, rather than take there chances driving home.

and yes, even as a drunk myself I will admit that "getting shit face drunk" at a party of relative strangers is NOT a good idea, but the punishment should not be rape.

And, once again, someone takes a remark pointed clearly at them, and deflects it to something in bad taste about the whole incident!  Seems to be the theme of this thread, deflection from the truth!

Years ago it used to amaze me how people could act like this, but knowing that this whole 'hobby' is pretty much predicated on lies and deception, not any more. As well as the fact that no one here would ever do this in public to anyone else's face, because they would be seen and known as a person, instead of a simple made-up name on a forum board where they have no real responsibility for anything they say.
Isn't the internet great!

misread my post.  Let's look at what you consider offending:

"Also heard tell that some of his buddies not only know about it, but they don’t see anything wrong with it either. “ Hell,” they probably thought, “he was lucky to get such a docile lay, her being passed out and all.”"

OK, where did I say that M&G attendees either saw it, participated in it, or were complicit in it.  I said, and pay attention here, that THEY KNEW ABOUT IT and DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.

Now let me ask you a couple of questions, knowing that this info has been out there since right after the party in question.

Is this thread the first time you had HEARD about this incident?  If not, What was your reaction when you did hear about it before?

I find it funny that really the only people indicating that the M&G participants had any culpability are some of those same participants as they loudly proclaim that they don't have any culpability.

You've made several remarks in your posts that are enlightening.  You have said that you've heard of "intercourse" at the party and that once someone takes someone else home, the M&G participants are relieved of any connection to what may happen.  This indicates to me that you maybe have heard, prior to this thread, something about a guy taking a girl home and something happening.

Now, if the incident occurred subsequent to a Party, as the girl was being taken to another place because she was drunk after being fed alcohol by the guy taking her to that place, wouldn't that fit into your previous deflective comments?  

So you tell us, when did YOU hear about this first, and what did you hear?  

BTW, for the legal beagles out there, these are just questions, not accusations.  Particularly since just knowing about something after the fact is not an accusatory issue.

None more then me. Rapists are scum the deserves to have their genitals cut off with a dull, rusty spoon and be forced to eat it. Just to have their ass sowed shut so they die from the compaction caused by their own dick in their ass. There is little more noble then bringing scum like rapists to justice.

Now with that said, the odds of this making it to trail with the victim being drunk, and a prostitute; the delay in reporting; and lacking any physical evidence is low. If it does go to trial the victim will be tried with the perpetrator and she will be forced to relive it over and over again. In short it will be hell for her. Almost like getting re-raped in public for all the world to watch.

Now I do agree if the allegations are true, and I believe they likely are it would be best for all if those that have first hand knowledge including the victim would go to the police. It would be best for the safety of all if that did happen so maybe this scum bag rapist (if the event did happen) could face justice.

At the same time I know I could not at the time of my rape done so. It would have ended me.

"And I do my laundry on Mondays, so if you want, I'll put out a chair under a nice umbrella so you can sit while I hang some on the fence so you can see it."

And it is so nice that you take the suffering of the victim and the hell she would be put threw so lightly as to make such jokes. I see you have no compassion or empathy for the hell she would have to go through. You are a real class act. You fucking sicken me. You are far worse then disrespectful lets leave it at that.

To farther clarify:
Now tha we all know there was a provider tha was raped while shitfaced drunk and passed out, men, especially all ya old farts who cant get a girl to fuck u other than paying her or raping her, please don't think ya'll have the green light to fuck any girlz thatre drunk n passed out. Please dont take yur dik outta ur pants and stik it in her pussie. Maybe use the "oh fuck did I just do something illegal thatll get my sori punk azz thrown in jail where i'll be the buttfucking bitch of some big black dude called Tyrone" system. If the motherfukin rapist followed my system, he wouldnt be hidin and lookin over his shoulder for the police to break down his door SWAT style. Truth!

I misread something I quoted? And then you capitalize the same quote and say I misread?  That is odd. But No matter, -

As for knowing about it - I repeat, know about what?  You have provided no dates - providing that information would not violate what you perceive to be limitations on divulging info, no location, no timeframe, etc.  So I can't even know what party in question you continue to reference.  But nonetheless you plod along putting broad sweeping condemnations out there - there is no way I could possible know what you or anyone is hearing.  You would think I would at least have heard the lady in question's name, - I do not.  

And please, don't accuse me of misreading and then change the context of my posts.  I stated I was aware of intercourse that took place at A social event.  Said event was I believe close to two years ago and none of the current individuals who helped out on the most recent M&G were involved.  

Unlike you, I admit that I could not know what I was not present at or could not even begin to speculate or try to piece together a possibility based on a rumor of a stated act at or after some unspecified date/event.  You are assuming facts not in evidence and making broad condemnations based on your assumptions.  You made another with your statement, "This indicates to me that you maybe have heard, prior to this thread, something about a guy taking a girl home and something happening."  Um no, but you are obviously looking to believe whatever you wish to support your attacks.

What you are alleging and the way you are going about it to be character assasination and what's worse, you stated in one of your posts that you knew it to be so, but it was not a problem for you since ultimately it was only one individual's character you wanted to assasinate (Can't find that actual words among so many posts).  Well, it damn sure is a problem for me.  And for that, yes you sack of shit - you owe me a big time public apology for making even the slightest reference that castes doubt on my intergrity and character.

But let's cut to the chase - I am asking straight out if in your rumors and hearsay, I have specifically been accused on knowing about an act and approving of such an act by my alleged silence.  Further, I have specifically been accused in your rumors as being a participant and/or witness to such an act?

I agree....however being drunk doesn't condone rape.
As a teenager I was with a girl downtown and we were drinking (albeit illegally lol) and she got into a car with 2 guys, I kept my ass at the club, and you can guess what happened?  They took full advantage of her intoxicated ass.  Not blaming the victim, but it's true: dont make yourself vunerable.

I have always been curious about the meet and greats but have stayed away as I didn't want to meet a possible business associate at one of the meets (remote but a possibility).  This activity just cemented it.  If this is true the person needs to be dealt with.  Common people lets have some courage.

The inability to name names in order to protect the victim is justifiable. However, leaving other names to be suspected is not.

   Tude, I know I am not the accused or part of any group who knows of such a vile horrific act being committed.

   If you indeed posted to alert and warn ladies, then I applaud you.  Many have said that we all need to be careful with choosing our friends.

   I shall not post anymore on this.    JimmyPW

I have even publicly for the first time ever, knowing lots of people know my real name and my TER handle, spoke about my own rape. I made myself very vulnerable, as I know some will use it as a weapon in the future as they know it will get my goat. I am a known person. At least 20 people know both my real full name and my TER handle.

I have not deflected anything. I admitted it would be best if anyone with first-hand knowledge would go to the police. If what has been reported happened there is a rapist in our mist that needs to be thrown in jail or worse. He is utter scum and will get no mercy from me.

But you have deflected a whole lot. You deflected how the defense would air the victims past for all to see and put her on trial. How both sides would force her in public to relive the rape over and over. How being raped makes you feel so incredibly soiled and unworthy. How much unearned shame comes with it. You have not once acknowledged any of this.

Instead, you have deflected it with crass jokes on you Monday laundry and how I can watch you air it. You deflected it with attempts to ignore the validity of others points. There is valid reasons not to come forward if the victim can not handle it as it could destroy her. It would have likely ended in my death by my own hand is someone had made my rape public before I was ready to face it.

take care.

You sound like a fool, Taylor.

If you want to be demonized by sadness, by all means, go for it.  I surely don't "wanna demonize you with sadness" lol lol lol

If you weren't the victim, stop making this thread about yourself.  Your posts are pointless, annoying, and absolutely ridiculous.  You can't even say anything without name calling, insults, and vulgar language.

Grow up.

So- you have some facts? So speak up! Don't you have the guts?

I wish you nothing but success and happiness.

It is called full of shit.

You are stating something is true based on the trustworthiness of person you heard it from, absurd. Never been to one, never would go to one, but your clients who don't go either knows the truth.

Do you realize how stupid you sound with that statement?  We believe who we trust, that's life.  Guys like you keep calling bullshit, yet you never explain WHY your disbelief is more valid than our belief.  

So, nobody but those on the thread have said that it happened from your point of view.  OK.  You won't believe it because you haven't heard it from someone you trust, or, absurdly, you didn't see it.  So WHY SO STRONG  in your disbelief?  It doesn't make since unless YOU have an ulterior motive like you accuse us of.

What motive are you attaching to Taylor?  You make shit up about me because you have no other basis for your strong defense of who knows who or what?  But now she has come out and said the same as I, so now what are you going to make up about her.

Methinks Doth Protest too much.

Really?? we've been discussing throughout this whole thread that a rapist raped this provider

while she was passed out after a party.  Hmmm, you say:

:As for knowing about it - I repeat, know about what?  You have provided no dates - providing that information would not violate what you perceive to be limitations on divulging info, no location, no timeframe, etc."

Are you shitting me and everyone else??  HOW MANY PASSED OUT PROVIDERS BEING RAPED DO YOU HEAR ABOUT NOT TO KNOW WHICH ONE WE'RE DISCUSSING.

Timeframe??  Date??  Do you need those?  Jesus, how often does this happen around here for you not to know whether you heard about this particular one??  This problem must be worse than even I thought.

Or.....  are you being obtuse for your own reasons?  The question still stands - When did you first hear about it?



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If anyone has first hand knowledge please pm me

Thanks!

Regretfully, this thread was allowed to persist as originally stated.  But that's life.  It should have been modified from the beginning to remove any reference to the M&G as stated.  But in no particular order of importance here is what is resolved:

1.  The OP began with a blanket indictment of all attendees of the last M&G.  He backtracked slightly to clarify he meant some other M&G.  He backtracked again to infer it was after the M&G.  A disgruntled provider claimed she heard it happened at someone's home and the OP then agreed to that.

2.  LP vouched for the OP as a longtime member.  No doubt LP's reputation led many to "assume" he was vouching for the OP as being a upstanding and reasonable contributor.  But if you didn't use your resources to check it out for yourself, you probably missed out on the history of BS posts he's been credited with.

3.  There is no victim willing to be known.  There is only a claim by the OP and perhaps one or two others who claim to have even heard of this prior to the thread posting.  The overwhelming majority of posters claim first hand knowledge that nothing like this happened at any M&G.

4.  Private contacts with an overwhelming majority of those who would have some knowledge if such a thing did occur deny having heard a word.  Let's just say the collectively over 200 people were consulted.

5.  Certain members of this board have in recent times decided that message board policies no longer exist.  Even the most basic policy statement forbidding character denigration are routinely ignored and the posts allowed to flourish.

6.  The organizer of the M&G was directly accused by username.  And that post was allowed to remain.

7.  Appeals to both mods to intervene on this train wreck were ignored.

8.  Contact with a handful of esteemed legal minds of the TER legal board concurred that this post should have never have been allowed since it violates the stated purpose of TER and has the potential to cast TER in bad light.

9.  The accused responded to the thread with a denial.

10.  Posters of this board have forgotten the most important safeguard they have which is to avoid self incrimination.  People post stuff in public without the most basic of common sense.  There seems to be a belief that their identify can never be known.  Don't bet on that is my personal opinion.

So, in summary, despite the OP's attempt to drum up as much support as he possible could, he never succeeded in gaining any more than a couple of posters who claimed to have heard the so-called rumor.  On the other hand, a wide majority sit in disbelief.  I therefore conclude that in view of all of the statements, this was nothing more than an attempt to discredit the organizer of the M&Gs most likely due to some previous grudge.  

Be your own judge.

Re: Really?? we've been discussing throughout this whole thread that a rapist raped this provi

I asked straighforward questions.  What date, what M&G?  How can you possible have an issue not answering these questions?  Your refusal to answer speaks volumes.  

Consider - if I had heard of anything before your posting of allegations based on hearsay then I would not have fucking asked.  And since it is my character that you have attacked on this board - don't you think I would want to check out this crap for myself as I have already stated I had a role in past M&G's?  It is a hideous and vile thing, almost as vile as false accusation.  

But just do you don't come back and play the same card - your post was the first I have heard of such an allegation made after any M&G with which I have been associated (that would be in the past two years.)  And prior to that - hell, I have heard lots of stories, but don't recall any allegations of rape, just poor judgement.

Now - I repeat – let’s cut to the chase.  I am asking straight out if in your rumors and hearsay, I have specifically been accused on knowing about an act and approving of such an act by my alleged silence.  Further, have I specifically been accused in your rumors as being a participant and/or witness to such an act?

Re: Really?? we've been discussing throughout this whole thread that a rapist raped this provi

Duplicate post - received error message first time I submitted.

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who did this either participated or witnessed it with the exception of the provider's friends, who stopped it upon discovery.

I've only stated that others knew and didn't do anything about it.  It would be the ultimate hypocrisy if I did nothing upon learning of it.  Hence the OP and this thread.

as back channel gossip.  People are going to make up their own minds about it.  As I said above, It would have been the epitome of hypocrisy had I done nothing at all upon learning of this.  Hence the OP and the resulting thread.

So much energy on this thread was wasted on defending the M&G's themselves from attacks that weren't made.  That's unfortunate.

However, we learned that one attendee of a prior M&G saw a young provider so drunk that he was concerned; that the rumors have been out there; that others besides myself have heard the information from trusted and reliable sources; and, more importantly, that the community as a whole agrees that fucking a passed out provider is rape, not a score.

Hopefully the guy that did it has been shitting his pants at least, and will continue to do so knowing that the provider is being continuously encouraged to go to the authorities.

Last, but surely not least, the ladies who've read the thread now know that they have to be extra vigilant when attending social functions in this lifestyle.

Do I wish that one or two of the people with first hand knowledge had stepped forward.  Sure, and to be honest, I had expected it from what I had been told before bringing this to the boards.  However, I also understand and don't fault them in the least for the decision that they made, particularly after seeing the shitstorm thrown at me for bringing the issue up.

As I've said before, the collective memory of this thread will fade when it hits page 3.  I am just hoping that the message has been received by the right people.

I'm done on the thread and will post no more, much to the delight of many, I'm sure.   Anything that anyone else has to say is sure to have been answered by me already.  I've already hit the top ten posting list (where you can see my date of membership btw for those who still think this is a new handle), so I think I've worn out my welcome anyway.

People get hurt out in non hobby activities. The boss that chases and "scores" the hottie
Receptionist or whatever. Bad is bad but what has more harm then good been done?

?????

I know not.

I do not believe anything anyone says on this board because there are way too many motives and undercurrents. Besides, I was at the M&G, I know the folks who were there (both girls and guys). They are dcent folks having good time. I have also stayed for the after party on occassions nothing of the sort has taken place as far as I know at the M&G.

I do not know you from Adam, you youself admit you were not there and say, "you heard it from a very reliable source"; I have no idea "how relaible or not your source is or your motive is" and your "sensationalist attention grabbing" subject line makes it even more questionable (almost sounds like you are cherishing the attempt to discredit the M&G organizers and those who attend; there were over 50 people at the last one).

I also know and have witnessed with my own two eyes, when girls go to their cars, someone escorts them and when girls go out to chatter and doesn't come back for a while, someone ensures their safety by checking on them in the parking lot. Yes, I have seen it with my own two eyes, so I trust the statement.

Even more to the truth, I never gossip, tell something someone told me to someone else, or interested in gossip about someone else in my personal life or at work and won't do it here either. If I say anymore, few will figure out who I am, so I am going to stop.

Yes, I reitrate that, if i don't see with my two eyes or the victim tells me personally I will not believe it, court case, arrests and judgements are other types acceptable proof. On the other hand, if the criminal tells me, I will beat the crap out of him with a baseball bat and then take to the police station.

I live by what my ftaher told me while growing up "son, have fun with as many women you want but if I ever find out, you forced yourself on some girl, I am going to kill you" and he would have for sure.

Finally, making accusations such as this on a public board that affects someone elses reputation is on the basis of someone told me is, something gentlemen do not do ( I am assuming you are guy), if not, it is lady like either.

agenda / motive for this thread.  Of course I do not begrudge in the least your position that I could have or should have done it another way.  We're all different, and we all make our own choices.  My only problem with our exchanges has been that I've been erroneously assigned a motive or agenda, and that assignment from you and others obfuscated my true intentions.

As for the provider in question, consider this.  Up until my thread, most of the response from others in this community that she had encountered was negative or nonchalant due to the parties involved.  Now, at lest, she can see that she has support from the community as a whole, if not personally, then for her situation.

IMHO, and in my assumption based on what at least semi-reasonable people would do, most of the more vociferous naysayers on this thread have tried to seek out denials or assurances from others off board in order to feel stronger in their attack of the allegations.  What they seem to fail to understand is that when they believe those denials or assurances from people that they consider trusted, they are in fact, absolutely no different from me in believing the information that was given to me by someone trusted. I have a feeling that if they could see past their initial flash anger at the issue, then they would actually get that and be able to effectively discuss the real issue.

Sorry about posting after I said I wouldn't, but I had missed this one in and among the rest of the thread and it was important to me to reiterate that I have no hidden or nefarious agenda.  That aspect of the whole thing is the only for which I ask for the benefit of the doubt.

Hey everybody who posted on this thread. GET A LIFE. This place is suppose to be fun >

All of you should be spanked and sent to bed early.

Havent we had/heard enough already?
Hugs and kisses
TL

This is one messed up world.  If true, he should be tossed in jail.  Perhaps there he will find a roomate to treat him with equal respect.  I am hopeful it is not true, but evil does exhist in this world and I hope it will be dealt with in a swift fashion.