Just a curiosity question for me ... why when you have your donations posted, you know there is no room for bickering/haggling ... why do some guys find the need to still wanna debate your rates?  This is not a swap meet.

Nope, not a swap meet. It's a "meat swap".

SJ, please post your real name initials. You have my sense of humor, master of repartee !

Ox, what makes you think that this is an alias?

Because some perceive "value" as getting something for less than advertised.

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Now that's a good question.  If I can maybe I can give a decent answer or at least a thought for conversation.  Here goes...

We all want to get the best service for our money.   Weather it is costly or inexpensive.  Now, we all look for the bargins in what ever we purchase.  Let it be a suit or a dress to a pair of socks or loaf or bread.  We all got to where the price is fair and we feel like we are getting our monies worth.  The same thing goes for a service.  Why do we go to a local garage to get our cars fixed or go to the more expensive dealer.  It all come down to cost of the service(i.e. Parts & Labor).

When I get my car worked on I look for the best price and the best service as well.  Now, sometimes I do go for the price if my wallet is tight and it has been a hard month.  We all need to save money now and then.  Some people have money to play with and some don't for what ever reasons they have.  

In my choosen profession, cost is a big part of the game.  They always want me to bring down the cost and to skimp where I can.  Now, my costs are listed and I try to save my clients as much as possible.  I know some of my clients can't afford the costs so I work with them.  That's is why I am still in business or at least trying to be.  To me it's all about taking care of the client.  Customer Service, plain and simple.  Now, sometimes us guys are in need of friendship and the money may be alittle tight.  I don't think it is bad to tell the provider the truth and let her make up her mind as to what she wants to do.  I was always told to be truthful and don't be affraid to ask for what you want.  You don't get what you don't ask for.  Heck, you may just get it.  

I hope this is good for conversation or something.  I just know that sometimes it is hard to find the extra cash to play when I have obligations to meet.

Just my .02cents ( it's .03cents now with intrest rates on the rise)

MonsterJazz

Well put Monster!!!!

May I just interject that it's so hard to tell sometimes exactly what a provider asks for as far as a donation:......her website may list one donation amt , but she then offers specials when you least expect them , or she extends specials , etc.Bartering will always be present in this hobby.Is is not liked by some? Of course.Providers have a choice to see or not see clients who barter. And clients have a choice to see or not see providers who don't barter.If they(providers)choose to serve the customer, they'll get the business,if not , then they won't.In retail , ya know, the customer is always right. If it's perceived by the customer(client) that the business(provider) isn't offering/providing excellent customer service, then the business will lose what they're really looking for........which is repeat customers and valueable and excellent word of mouth advertising. It should also be remembered that good news/service travels fast and bad news/service travels faster.

Whenever someone makes a post using their actual TER name you will see the envelope by their name. It doesn't mean they are VIP, just that they are posting under the name they initially signed up to TER with.

Anytime you do not see the enevlope someone is using an alais.

I know some others have given some godd, basic reasons, but since I've already said that I'm a "Walmart type", I feel compelled to add my 2 cents ...

Why shouldn't we?

I mean,  IF  I can get an item (whether it be a meal, a new music CD, or some time with a wonderful, sexy, pretty lady) for less, AND GET TO KEEP MORE MONEY IN MY POCKET, why shouldn't I?  I really DO like having money to be able to do things (whether it be for another meal, another CD, or another time to spend with an Atlanta beauty).

And, if some ladies are understanding of the economic times, and have offered special rates - Why shouldn't I ask if I qualify for one of those rates at this time? (AND GET TO KEEP MORE MONEY IN MY POCKET)

I guess if you had lots, and lots, and lots, and LOTS of money, keeping a little bit might not mean so much to you. But, if your amount of discretionary funds is on the low side, it only makes sense to, as someone else already said, "look for the value". I mean, if 2 ladies offered the same level of service, and they looked about the same, and they both had an opening in their schedule, and one was offering a special, of course I would be inclined to go with the special. (AND GET TO KEEP MORE MONEY IN MY POCKET)

It's NOT an effort to offend you. It's just a matter of good fiscal stewardship. Please don't ever take it as a personal commentary. I'm sure it's not.

That's just  MY  2 cents.

Ok, I'll stick my foot wayyyyyy into this one, and most likely regret it too.

I understand your point, as most would. But value is a very subjective thing.

Now, first off, before everyone takes a leap off the deep end after reading this please remember I am not saying this is all encompassing, this is just my view. There are ladies AND men that I know who fit into this and there are ladies AND men that I know of who do not. But more times than not, it seems on a whole people fit.  

Something many men here cannot comprehend is how a woman can "sacrifice" her body at the altar of sex without feeling used.  Women become emotionally involved while we just do it.  She feels that she is giving of herself to please her client.  But remember, she has a value that she will ask for it.  If she doesn't, she will lose (more) respect for herself??? (actually, I dont really agree with this one to much, but have been told by some ladies that it is truth, so I'm kinda tossin' it out there to see what happens. While I can see that many here just for the $$$ may have that problem I have been fortunate enough to see ladies who truely enjoy their chosen vocation)  To many of them it comes down to...if you don't want to pay it, they don't want you to pay it.  Just like the clients use this Board to search out the best SPs. the SPs use this Board and price to serve only those who will value their service.  This doesn't weed out all the jerks, but it does eliminate many of them.  

I once met with one lady who charged an exorbitant amount, but she delivered.  Her rationale was that above.  She did it because she enjoyed it, and she was going to choose who she would do it with.  Her value was high and she was proud of it.  Her reputation was also extremely high.  If she lowered her prices so that more would see her, she would lose that satisfaction of  her value.  And she said if only a few could afford to see her, so be it.  Her perceived value was due to her proven performance.

I believe that too much talk here of pricing lowers service. Now remember, I said TO MUCH, I did not say don't talk about it at all. It really isn't a problem on the national boards like this one, but can become one on the smaller regional boards because the cross section is so focused.  Trust me, service suffers on a whole when the primary issue on a discussion board is always pricing.  A strange analogy...at Home Depot, you can buy Moen faucets.  Technically, they are the same as at the true Plumbing stores.  Not so.  The drain parts are plastic at HD, while they are metal at the Plumbing stores.  What does this mean?  Better performance for a longer time.  You get what you pay for.  Because HD is a cut-throat buyer, the vendors cut corners to save costs.  Does HD know it? Not most of the time.  Do their customers? Eventually they figure out the difference, but ony if this is important to them.  How does this apply?  Remember the phrase "YMMV"?  Remember good screening tools?  

For me, I will never negotiate a rate.  Period.  You offer what you think your product is worth, and I will decide if I want to pay for it.  I do not choose in this business based on price.  Health and self satisfaction are more important than my pocketbook.  And no, I don't have money coming out my eyes, ears, ass or any other oriface of my body.  Fewer times with a lady I feel I can really connect with, even if at a higer price brings more satisfaction for me.  Now, don't everybody beat down my door/computer with high prices.  It comes down to perceived value, and everyones perception is different.

We do all have our different tastes.  As has been proven many times, looks does not determine performance.  What would you rather have? A lady who is gorgeous that lies there quietly while you do what you want.  Or would you rather have one that talks with you and participates passionately at every step. If it's the latter, it may cost you alittle more.  

Too bad the ladies do not have pics of us beforehand.  How many of us would pass scrutiny?  Oh, that is right...it shouldn't matter.  WE pay.  Stop a minute.  It should matter.  Hygiene, looks, personality, and attitude not only determine how she percieves you, but it determines how good your session will be. And as far as I can tell, haggling would fall in that catagory somewhere in the personality section.  Make no mistake about it.  She is a thinking human being with pride, dignity, and feelings.  Ask some of the guys with plenty of money but no class.  An SP with discriminating taste is a classy SP and one worth visiting. Just like an upper class restaurant,  dining becomes an experience not just a meal.  Both fill the stomach, but one leaves you satisfied.  

As far as the specials go, you are 100% right. If two woman of equal chenistry and talent were side by side and I enjoyed them each the same, I would choose the lower priced one also.

Ok, enough of the insomniac ramble, let the flaming begin...



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Good post and i feel the same way.

I think it is common sense to take the lower price with all things being equal and I have found out that high prices do not equal great sex and low prices do not equal bad. And anyone who reads this board and reviews knows that rarely are all things equal.

One reason I have been reluctant to negotiate is that I want a girl's best effort. Maybe it is being paranoid, but I think if you ask and get a discount you might get the discounted service. Slam bam thank you and out the door.

Karamel,

I have never met or spoken with you.  I was just wondering what your thoughts were as to the responses on your question????

Mj

gug, I thought that bartering took place wherein one commodity or service was traded for another. Money was not involved. e.g. If for a provider's service, I offered to paper her bedroom for an overniter.LOL. She might say, "I'll give you a two hour service for papering my bedroom. That's real bartering! If money is involved, then one is just buying, or selling.
The provider might say " I'll throw in an extra hour if you do the bathroom too! LOL

One -liners are meant to be sarcastic. So, why identify yourself to those people who may take the comment the wrong way!

Karamel,
I wont haggle with you. Next time I'm in town, I'll have to check you out. U r hot! As long as your $100 donation includes what I read in the reviews, then I'm ok.

You made some valid points (about possible discounted service for a discounted price, for one ... But, then, there's no guarantee of premium level service for a premium price anyways. We all know the YMMV story ...)

I can't disagree, and I've sensed both attitudes toward pricing here in the past.

Just to clarify things - Even though I presented a reply to the original question - Why haggle? ... I've never tried that with a lady. I mean, I inquire what the damage will be in a tactful way during our email exchanges, but accept her pricing as firm.

But, does this make "low-lifes" out of those who sometimes post, asking, "Any specials for this week?"  (My opinion is No. If a lady chooses to reply, or to initiate her own special, that's HER business and HER choice.) In fact, a very nice lady (well known and desired) just recently had a nice special that I was not able to attend.

Bottom line - If one chooses to try to haggle on a price, they may indeed obtain a lower level of service, or, they may lose the opportunity to see the lady at all. That's the risk they take.

Or, they may just get a sale price on an extremely enjoyable rendezvous with a nice lady.

No offense, but  once you post a special or special rate, then your price looks flexible & negotiable, and people will ask.

For me it was more or less a curiosity question.  I don't get many that try to haggle but it has happened ... and talking to some other providers that it has happened to made me ask the question.  I had also noted that some providers make mention of it on their websites.