I am aware that you gentlemen have your "mens only" chat room where you gossip worse than any female ever could LOL. Why men participate in such things I'll never know. A word of advise though, don't always believe everything you hear in a chatroom.

The reason for my post? Well I have been thinking, and wondering why the review process is the only way a gentleman will go see a provider.... Yes I understand the fear of being let down or ripped off, but what of the days before TER reviews? Why are people so afraid to take a chance anymore? Why must a providers business depend on a review? I thought of all of this last night before I fell asleep.

I just feel like there is to much gossip going on, and not enough lovin LOL. I think that the providers should be given a fair chance, and not have it ruined by the review process. If you see a website and you like what you see, then go give the lady a try. If you have a great time then you've lost nothing. If you have a bad time then don't see her again. Chances are if you go by your gut instinct, and like what your seeing and like her personality then you wont go wrong.


What else can I say? This is how I feel. Some women like the review process. I don't I feel it cheapens the provider and makes her look like a peice of meat. Thats how they made me feel anyway. And let me end this by saying my reviews were real by real gentlemen who saw me, and thought they were doing a good thing by writing me a review since that seems to be the only way most gentlemen will give a provider a chance these days. Gossip? leave that to the ladies, and follow your heart.

xoxoxo
Annya

Our chats rooms are not men only (come by anytime)!  We don't so much gossip as we talk about pussy--But I will accept gossip!  As to why we do it, well they don't call it the oldest profession for nothing!  With computers, I like to think that we (hobbyist) have gotten one-up on the main stream!  It's the fact that we can use our computers in this hobby, that has really changed things.  BTW Annya, you can go on any dateline and do your thing for about $50 or $75 a shot, you don't need a review board to do that!  

Annya, I watched you as you arrived in the ATL, board after board, time and time again, you broke rules, brought into the flame wars, and pushed, pushed and pushed.  I'm not sure what it is you think we have to do for you????  You might see some of the other providers (girls like sofia, Terri, Keri, Tasha, etc.) they have great reviews, guys repect them!  But a lot of times you new girls don't seem to acknowledge that these girls worked their ass off to earn our respect!  I don't get it!  You're not going to make the guys here feel bad for choosing how they spend their money or how they spend their time on the board????

Annya, you don't have to say anything!  You've done it all already.  I really wish you the best while in the ATL!

Take care!

Joey,
The Moderator Dude

That was my point exactly. Why does it take a review to get respect? Taking time to get to know the person male or female regardless of what a review says, thats respecting someone isn't it?

I was actually in a chat last week here on TER and the ONLY gossip I heard was about size?     Of which I am still curious...

This profession has been here and it has a tried and true method that works...It is not going to change...Joey is right the ladies on here that are making it had to work very hard and watch everything they said in order to earn respect...From my experience it really is not ALL about what happens in the bedroom...

Those that are not in the "clique" as it has been called are the ones that gossip one with another about topics that do not relate to them directly...  Believe me I had to learn that the hard way and it is not just providers, the hobbiest are guilty as well...I call it chest pounding...They want you to know they have been with others and they think it is cool to share personal info they might have...

REVIEWS...  HHHMMM  we all know I have an awful one out there but I have 10 others that are great...I have been very fortunate and the gents have been extremely kind in speaking about things other than sex like the conversation or the looks into my eyes...They are what they are...Those of us that accept it as it is know that real people will take the time to figure out what is really going on...I for one am not ashamed of my chosen career choice and I LOVE what I do...If you were a baker you would want to see billboards advertising for you...My point is...If you are not comfortable with the reviews and the way things are done in this line of work you can always choose another...I would suggest the street corner but I have heard there is even a board for those as well...I cringe to imagine what it might say...

I have met Annya and I will say that she was an interesting lady...Her pics DO NOT do her justice...I have no doubt that anyone that saw her would have a great time...She is MUCH easier to talk with one on one then here on a discussion board...

Sorry I had to go on and on but that is just how I felt when I read all of this...

xoxo
HEIDI

Actually it's been awhile since I got into a flame war...again a question...why is it a bad thing for a provider to get into it on the boards? I don't see how that would affect her performance in the sac LOL.

I'm not sure, my main point was it's our money and time and we'll do with it as we'd like and the review process is a part of that!  If you agree with that, then we're on the same page.  I'm not sure about the male/female issue, I don't think I'm buying it!  When providers start having sessions for free, then sure "you're ok, I'm ok," but for now, I buy what I like and will have a lot of fun doing it!  Speaking of fun, Mandy came on here a couple weeks ago.  I was impressed because she talked a little smack (I'm typically impressed when a provider is computer savey, but also can talk head) I just had to see her.  You know I went to see her on a Saturday for an hour's session, that girl f##ked me for 2 1/2 hours.  Man, I love this hobby!

JoeyTheBoy
Rarely Understood, But I'm trying!

I'm not going to say that "flame wars" are bad?!!!!  Just to say, if you enjoy the tension that a flame war provides, you have to at least pick and choose when and where to have your flame battles, that's how you demonstrate computer savey!  LOL!

Joey,
Lord of the Flames, Not!!!!

....pick and choose. Not take on all comers like its life or death or start stuff when it is obvious that NO ONE CARES!!

Just take a chance? Would you just take a chance on buying a TV or a camera? Actually, you could because you could always return them if you weren't satisfied. Here, there are no returns.

The point that is missing here is the money. That's what is at risk. A lot can't just throw down a wad of cash - get lousy service, and say "oh well, lesson learned". We're not talking about taking a chance on a new soft drink or a new writing pen - a little more at stake here.

Well like I said, I haven't been involved in  a war flame or any other kind for quite sometime. When I got into crap on the boards in the past it was when I was very new.

Follow your heart?  I like the review process.  Taking chances is fine sometimes, but the review process works well. We see who is prone to bait and switch tactics and who is for real.  Ads are always nice and while you really don't know until you see the girl - reviews are the next best thing.  

Yes, someone has to be first to see and review a provider. Others like wo wait for reviews, and we all like to brag somewhat.  So what if the chatter sounds like gossip sometimes? The difference between conversation and gossip is merely topic.  I would think you'd like being a topic....lol

This whole thread is a flame war!!!!  People are reading and saying, "Look at Joey, always talking about no flaming and let's Annya start a flame!"

I understand where your coming from, I do. But like I said what did people do before there were reviews? I feel if you wait for a review and only see a girl with a review or based on a review then you could be missing out on alot. I am in no way trying to change anyones mind here, just speaking my feelings and having a good debate

Who is being flamed here? LOL I write this thread to express myself and get opinions, not to flame or argue or change anyones mind. Since when is saying how you feel and wanting feedback a flame?

The review process is not the ONLY way a hobbyist will see a Provider.  It's the ONLY way a smart, informed hobbyist will see a Provider.  I don't blame the hobbyists here for checking reviews.  Providers have their horror stories about run-ins with LE and safety issues.  Hobbyists have their horror stories about getting ripped off, a few have had run-ins with LE, and I've heard about some of them even having safety issues, not to mention the threat that their activities pose to their families.  Everyone involved in this hobby takes risks.  IMHO, it makes it a less risky hobby for hobbyists and Providers alike to have the review system.

While I don't have to have TER to be in business, it's great to be listed here.  Sure, we get into our flame wars and petty squabbles sometimes, but they're really no more than heated discussions that sometimes turn into a pi$$ing contests.  

I have said it before and I'll say it again.  Reviews are like the Consumer's Digest of the hobby.  I don't feel like a piece of meat when someone reviews me.  I take it like a report card and trust the other hobbyists of this board to know me for the person I am and not just what's written in the reviews.

My .02.

Jaclyn


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I am not aware of these "men only chats" that you're referring to.  I chat here on TER all the time and the only thing required of me to enter any chat room but the Lounge is a VIP membership.  

Also, you stated that there's too much gossip that goes on here and too many flame wars.  Well, if you think that there's too much of that here, you'd hate the "other" board.  Matter of fact, I think I saw a posting by you the other day saying how much you liked that other board better than here on TER.  Any reputable Provider will tell you that while we're a little smaller community, the flames, gossip, and other bs that goes on over there is not tolerated here.  You can have the other board if you like, but you'll soon find out for yourself.

As far as reviews not giving a new lady a fair chance... Like Joey said, every single one of the Providers that is respected on this board worked their a$$es off and continue to do so for their reputations.  They've worked through bogus reviews being posted, bad reviews being posted, and etc.  It's all part of the game.  One Provider isn't going to be for everyone.  She's not going to click with every single person that comes to see her.  That's impossible.  Also, almost every single Provider I've known who's had herself delisted from TER regrets it.  I requested to be delisted from the other board a long time ago and haven't missed it a bit.  Do I sound pro-TER... well perhaps that's because I am.  TER has proven to be a great community and much better than the other one that's continuously shrouded in suspicion and negativity.  

Jaclyn

ok , point taken But tell me...what of the providers that work their a$$es off and don't get reviews? Do they loose out on business because the gentlemen they saw didn't write one? We all work hard including me, this does not mean that I deserve less respect then the next provider because I don't have a review, or that I have a review by a new hobbiest thats not well known, regardless I worked just as hard.

Before I found TER I had absolutely no luck with escorts outside of AMP's.  My last wasted encounter pre-TER was with someone I found in Creative Loafing.  She got me for $$ and was out the door in 10 minutes.  I wasn't horny anymore after she left, but I definitely wasn't satisfied either.  I felt like I couldn't get laid in a Bangkok brothel with 100's glued to my Johnson.  I spent the rest of the night on my computer doing research.  I checked out the escort malls.  I did searches on Yahoo and Google.  I finally stumbled across a little discussion board.  I wasn't nearly as sophisticated as TER.  The closest it came to giving reviews were posts saying stuff like, "Yeah, see xxx.  She's great.", but it set me on the right track.  I did a Google search for "escort review" and voila, TER.  Who knew?  I went pages deep into the search results looking at all of the different review sites.  I finally settled on TER as my primary research site.  I like the format.  The database is HUGE, and the staff keeps a fairly decent handle on quality control.  I researched for quite a while.  I searched reviews, perused websites, dug up old discussion posts.  Finally, I made an appointment with Nicole (El Camino Honey).  Now see, THAT is how you're supposed to feel after you see a provider.  I never wrote a review of Nicole.  I didn't feel comfortable posting such personal things on the internet.  I felt like a leech though, using TER's reviews but not giving back to the community.  I finally relented and started posting.  I look at it as an obligation to all the other squirrels out there.  Since I found TER, most of my disappointments have come from "taking one for the team" and more recently trying to find a replacement for VIP.

p.s.  I can't really post any recent spa reviews because I can't remember any of their names, except 1 girl told me to refer to her as 'American Girl'.  I'm such an asshole.  An asshole who can't find a decent spa without driving all the way to fucking Jonesboro!  It's not spur of the moment if you have to drive an hour.

If you want AMP reviews, goto http://www.gentlemensreview.net.

i think if we didn't have these reviews, there would be a lot more rip-off artists around.  There'd be no way to warn guys of who was out there screwing people(out of money that is ;=)

This site is not perfect, but it is totally necessary.  I deal with similar situations every time I look for a job.  I am honest on my resume, but I have to compete with people who lie and embellish, but know 1/2 of what I know.

Some women choose to embellish the level of service they give.  If you look at the reviews, there are so many times when a woman advertises GFE, but the guy only gets AMP-like service at best(if that much).  Why should we have to blow $300 to find out some girl is lying?

Besides, the providers review us every time they do an ID check.  They do it for their own safety.  TER is just here for our secutity.

Before services like TER, there were personal recommendations - friends, club members, bartenders, bellhops, and others in a position to know.  And like reviewers here, some were knowledgeable, some weren't.  It just took a little longer to find things out.

Services like TER allow hobbiests to find providers that they might not otherwise find.  Folks they might not have considered.  Or specialists, so to speak.

But it's still the same kind of thing going on as it always was...

Just thought I'd remind everyone of one true fact.

Here it is...

JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A "GOOD" REVIEW OR TWO OUT THERE, IT DON'T MEAN SHIT.

This thing is one big crap shoot when dealing with a large percentage of the "provider" population out there.  In the whole big scheme of things, there're not many "sure things".

In fact, I "took a chance" and tried one today with a history of really good reviews.  It was a joke.  

The Erotic Review!  Besides, we know the ladies have their own Ladies-only forums.

Very well communicated!

I would agree that reviews are not "the" answer to everthing, but they sure can help.  I would agree that sometimes review may not mean shit, and sometimes there can be skewed, but all things being equal, reviews are rad--they do so much--especially when you find members who share your taste.  That's the key!  There are members on this board where I would only need one review and I would go running to the provider.  

Just my thought!

Have fun!

Joey

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as well as most of the people on it. I joinrf that bord as a payed member and now just asked for my money back. They are a rude bunch of clique type people. I have never gotton one client from TBD they all came from here and USA ladies.

TER rocks, but I still don't like the review process the people are cool though.

xoxoxo
Annya

The same people are on each board...They are reading what you say here and what you say there...

This is a small community...

Each place just has a different set of rules to play by and we all adjust accordingly...

Killer Point!

JoeyTheBoy,
Moderator

I haven't seen you around TER for a very long time and the reason that your reviews were raising suspicion is because you were the only Provider reviewed by all of your reviewers, save one who's only other review was of your friend.  Also, the reviewers were not well known on the board which also arouses suspicion.  No one was accusing you of self posts, but instead, merely making an observation.  

The more a new Provider posts specials and participates in discussions here on TER, the more she's known on the boards and the more clients she'll get from here.  Sooner or later, that Provider will be reviewed by a respected, known Hobbyist as well as Hobbyists with other reviews.  The waiting period may not be very fair, but remember that patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait.  

Jaclyn

I understand that, and don't mind the wait It's just a bit harder for me being a heavy girl instead of the "model" look. I don't get as much business as the perfect women you'd see on supreme or even around here.  I don't see as many clients so it will take me even longer to be reviwed by a "regular" of the boards.

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a good session.There are a lot of things you need to consider in reference to reviews:#1- being the person who is doing the reviewing.Who is he?Is a a first class upscale business man with impecible tastes?Is he the average,middle class joe (with impecable taste)or is he the type who likes a girl only if she is the freakiest,nastiest lady out there(because he is also,not that there's anything wrong with being freaky,depending on who it is).                                                     There is alot said about a provider,but little known about the reviewer;like what type of lifestyle does he live.What does he look like.Anyone can get on a computer & say they are upscale,first class with a degree.They're not going to tell you whether 'They' have a drug habit or live in a trailor park(just an exageration to get my point across)& this is the type of person more or less who may end up visiting these ladies,and suffer rejection from them & just because they happen to have a computer,can downgrade a possibly great provider(for the right client).                                                       My point is;it's going to be a gamble more or less whether you do a review check or not.The variation depends on what type of gentlemen we are individually & what we look for in a provider.There are some actress type of ladies who are going to get along(pretend)with everyone 'cause all they're thinking about the whole time your there is 'I gotta give a good performance so I'll get a good review' & are not really interested in You at all. That's fine for gentlemen who are into the performance of the girl only & not into the genuine compatability you two may have or those who cannot tell the difference anyway unless she flat out tells you you smell or get on her nerves.                                                But what about the rare & distinguished gentlemen such as myself,(but do you really know whether this is true 'cause you don't know me &have never seen me.)who are really looking for 'Time' well spent & not just a good screw & sexual performance.I happen to be able to tell the difference.                                 I prefer to look for ladies who are more picky with the gents they choose to see & aren't particularly 'Review hungry.'Some of these ladies either have great reviews on TER or are not listed at all.Not because of bad reviews,but because of their preference not to have people discuss their sexual encounters.I respect some of the ladies who feel this way.Women are different from men.                                                           Men probably wouldn't mind a lady saying they were the best (*&%$) they've ever had or he sucked my (*&^%) like a ripe tomato or what ever sexually graphic compliment a girl gives a guy.But some ladies are offended or even embarrased by a guy talking about a bbbj she may or may have not given the guy.Again this is very informative & helpful for gents. who are seeking that specifically,but some guys just want more.To me it's quality over quantity in both the reviewer & the reviewed.

I hope you put up a review.

I understand your frustration, but you must be patient.  I'm no skinny mini, although I've never been called a BBW.  I don't have a model type body, but I have several reviews by several respected people on the boards.  While size does count for something, it's definitely not everything!!!  Listen to the song "Beautiful" by Christina Aguilera and be encouraged.....  

Jaclyn

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