I am sure some people have their perspective of what the White Lists means.  I personally have always thought of the Whitelist as the answer to "is this person safe(as in not mentally disturbed or erratic)?is this person LE? or if this person is a con artist/pimp/hustler?".  That being said I dont think it is a list that says every provider and hobbyist will click personality wise for whatever reason.  

I've learned my lesson many a times to stop giving White Lists & Okays after only the first visit.

There are never any "slam dunks" or sure things.  It's truly up to the lady to decide if she's comfortable enough to "white list" you on your first encounter.  In my experience most will, however, I can't fault a lady for being a bit more apprehensive and preserving her "white listing" after more than one encounter. After all, she's also risking her reputation with other colleagues by giving a "Referral".  While it's not exactly the same, but similar, I'm very cautious before I provide a job referral for someone. There are people that I may have met and know, but I may not t be comfortable recommending them after one meeting. I guess the way I look at it, if it enhances everyone's safety and confidence in the process, then I'm all for it.  I'd rather error on the side of being overly cautious.

While I can understand and in some cases agree with your statement. Anina and shaft are right... When a whitelist is given from a provider, they have established a trust with you and a comfortably with the hobbyist. They are willing to put their reputation on the line with other providers that you are safe and etc.... for instance, if a hobbyist pm you and asked questions regarding the provider you seen and review, would you be willing to put your reputation on the line for that provider? How about if the experience was not great and you given 9s or 10's in the review, each sides words dictates weather the provider have business or hobbyist can play with providers. That is why provider are somewhat selective in whitelist. Hope this helps with you.

There isnt zero risk involved. Irrespective if you seen that person once or 3-4 times that doesnt mean that the next 2-3 times he wont stand you up nor be late.  

To me White and Black Listings are the closest things providers have to reviews of clients. While there is no "details" (that I know of) it relays the providers general approval (or lack there of) of clients. I feel like most providers follow the same general rule I do in writing reviews. As a general rule, I have to see a provider at least 3 times ( exceptions have been made) before I write a review and I also have to be asked (since I am not a fan of writing them). Why 3, well first visit always (for me) involves getting to know the person and some level of nerves, second visit things begin to loosen up and exploration of each other's needs/desires/fantasies begins seriously, by the third you got a fair idea who and what each other are, you know how to "push each other's buttons" and all that implies.  

Provider A and B talked and obviously did not know each very well because if they did A would have know the B would not like Clients looks and at least warned B. But that is not anything a white/black list would cover.  

I understand your perspective.  I truly do; however my thing is you need a few session to know if you and they person click or if you would continue to see each other.   While on the contrary, to reference your previous response, the heart of the whitelist is "are they safe?".  That question can be GENERALLY answered on the first visit.  It can never be specifically answered.  My thing is I caution against associating the white list with the providers who approved hobbyist.  Simply because one person experience is a certain way doesnt guarantee another provider may feel safe.  Give that fact the first person shouldnt be held or viewed negatively because they felt safe with that person.  Whether it was 1 or 6 visits.  

And what grown man cares about a whether a bunch of broads are friends or not.

Wow anina that is some kind of fire.Wow explosive...

I can understand by the question. The question that you have ,I believe that you are asking why is there certain criteria for a whitelist when after a visit that you should be already safe. Right? Because I want to answer it correctly without a misunderstanding.

Not just whether they are LE or not.

The hobby isn't really reality. We can only do our best when it comes to vouching for guys in this business. I personally think guys should never take it personal when they are denied. Whether it is a whitelist or an actual appointment. We deal with the most CRAZY crap on a daily basis. We can only do our best, you know?

Well my logic flows like this Joe:

She kinda said it best. Good post anina?

However, 90% of those things you name shouldnt be used in the Whitelist.  Again, I am not trying to tell you how to conduct your business but it undermines the very tool itself in my opinion.  Nearly all those things you named are subjective and can not be quantified on any list.  While being comfortable is also somewhat subjective that can go in a gray list, but I think the Whitelist would be more functional if it was more narrow in scope focusing on safety and LE.  

and the process will  never get better if people dont complain about what they perceive is wrong and discuss way to try and improve it.

Also,  that is a very arrogant attitude to approach improving the community.  There isnt "my part" or "your part" this is a community.  The very idea that hobbyist cant offer way to improve on how to make the process for EVERYONE better is completely absurd.  

Ok, I think that you are asking, and I don't want to be mistaken. If a whitelist is a safety background check,  why should we have to wait for the whitelist if the provider knows that we are safe, especially after the first visit? If we are safe after the first visit, then the chances of that change is minimum to none right? Also, if a provider still have questions about the hobbyist then they need to be greylist until they be comfortable with going ahead and whitelist them? Maybe that should be a new feature that TER should implement a greylist option.

I understand what you are saying. Idk but it's how the hobby society is sometimes. The system and process of things allow us to have the mentally that we have to have this or whatever and feel maybe a betrayal if we don't. I know that a lot of providers don't even look at whitelist for screening and they have certain things that is use for verification purposes. I feel that we as a whole just enjoy what is being presented to us and have fun. Do you know what I mean anina?

I would never tell someone to know their role & shut their mouth. You are definitely entitled to your opinion and so am I.

I most certainly do.  I know exactly what  you mean and agree with you to a great degree.  I just also think from time to time we all need to reevaluate things and say "is this how the process was intended to work?  how is it working? and can we make it better?" for me this is one of those times. As I will probably very soon be leaving TER (not the hobby) after 7 years, completely.  

"just worry about doing your part & we'll handle ours"= know your role  

White Lists is only one tool that a lady has. Most ladies use more than one method to screen. There is bad and good people on both sides of the hobby. The bad gets notice really quickly and is isolated quickly by the community.

Just to clarify on this I was rereading it and want to clarify that  

Totally agree Wheelchairman.  I agree there are very few ladies I have or wanted to see over twice.  Over the years there have been a couple and in the future I dont see that changing.  Which is while I think the providers safety is paramount I think the way the Whitelist system is being used as the closest thing to "client reviews" isnt a good tool for that.  

Chill out to me means to calm down.
By all means leave your mouth open if you'd like....
Again, a matter of perspective.

That's insane dude!!! Although it was porn star $500 WTF? You already gave her 3K for one night's work and at least 6 of those hours she was asleep.

First,  no one is responding to your opinion about the subject matter.  I made that perfectly clear, or maybe you didnt read my entire response.  

My perspective is that we have a "Greylist" system in which if you have seen someone and you dont necessarily want to vouch for them.  Put them in a Greylist.... meaning I have seen this person but YMMV or I didnt feel comfortable enough to go as far as a Whitelist.  This way the Hobbyist gets to move toward a whitelist without being forced to see someone over and over when they really dont want to and the Provider isnt "vouching" for them but rather saying I have seen him and he didnt try to kill me nor was he LE.  

With one exception, I've never requested a white list. I hope that a lady feels comfortable enough with me to provide one without me asking. There's been a couple chicks (not currently on the scene) I've seen between 10-20 times that never white listed me.  

Every lady I have ever talked to about the White List views it as an endorsement of the hobbiest not just a validation. Many ladies are willing to give a references from even one good visit but not White List until they are really comfortable with that hobbiest.  
A reference and a White List are very different at least in my experience

Adding insult to injury as if it was some strange negotiation tactic instead of it actually being insulting.  She indicated she would compromise for $300.. and I have to understand this is business.

...He was saying black lists should be for pimps, con artists, and thiefs. While white lists should be for are the clients safe and a gray list could be for all the "gray" areas you have mentioned.

only you seem to think that 99.9999% equals 100%, Do I really need to explain this to you?

Rule #1 - The Golden Rule
Rule #2 - I care what you think...I just don't care what you think about me.

a few times, and I've got to say that it is soooo disappointing in many ways.

Agreed Bucky which is making it pretty much obsolete.  I dont think I have ever asked for a Whitelist and I dont really write reviews.  Which has been both a gift and a curse.  

Very thoughtful and meaningful response.  I posted ...not sure its actually up yet... a couple of thoughts what a suspected a Whitelist, Graylist  and Blacklist would entail.  I think you are right on the money for the most part.  The only part I take exception is that I dont think there is any wrong with Hobbyist adding to the conversation.  Ultimately, the Providers are the ones who would be using it, so their voice is both ideal and necessary in having a meaningful and working tool.  

we should have a voice, too. But the decision....

Not a chance!  I completely fucking applaud you for this post!  
Yep..mmmhhhmmm exactly!  
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...See link. White List FAQ's.

...See link.

but inline with what I have always been told.

BWHAHAHHAA!!!  yeah we definitely want to be on anyone's whitelist with that version of "Vouch" for a Hobbyst.

Listen, even if there was a "Gray List",

So you said all that to say since the process wouldnt be perfect therefore we shouldnt try to improve upon it?

That pic is hilarious Giselle!!
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