... you have to first remove your preconceived notion that the female is a logical animal!  We all know better than that, and logically it is the same pussy at $250 when at an Agency than it is after she reads her press clippings (reviews) and believes that pussy is now a $500 pussy!  

The big difference is that many of the less business savvy (and I'd say that is probably 90% or higher or they wouldn't be in this business to start with - not all, but most) do not understand what all the Agency does for them - they just see the negatives of being an agency girl.  Most don't fully grasp the importance and organizational skill required to successfully run their own Indy business.  They now have to bear the expense of an incall, furnishings, linens, cleaning service, screening, appointment setting, etc and the start-up costs surprise them, along with all the additional expenses and day-to-day attention required to run a business.  While these costs are scalable to an Agency, the Indy has to bear all costs.  They also undervalue the importance of the screening & appointment setting done by agencies - if an agency girl doesn't feel like showing for an appointment, the agency covers by having another girl available, discounts, etc and basically shields them from much of the client hassle involved with the business.

So, not grasping the supply and demand economic model of price determination in a market, they jack their rates up to not only cover those costs, but "... hey, I've got glowing, reviews and if Bambi can charge X, then certainly I can charge 1.5X....", only to discover that a higher price points, the demand is not nearly as great.  The really dumb ones make the fatal mistake of increasing their price even more to make up for the lost business, only to discover the demand decreasing.

The smarter ones, if they want to stay in the business, will decrease their rates so that supply/demand is back into equilibrium - or go back to an agency.  These ladies also understand the value of a regular client and usually will grandfather good clients in at the rate they were accustomed to.

Hobbyists don't help this equation either - especially with all the 10/10 Once in a Lifetimes these guys seem to experience!  Newbies and Dummies think they are missing out on something, so they pay the $500 ONCE.  

So, for me, I would never, ever spend $500 for a girl I may have spent $250-$300 on the previous month.  I just will not do it as a matter of principle.  However, I don't mind a bit spending $750/hr when Stevie visits Atlanta or even $1,000 for Cara Saint James when she visits at the end of the month.  So, I guess I'm just as irrational, huh? LOL  

Lots of agency girls put in their time working for an agency at rather modest prices as a form of "paying their dues", once they get a reputation, and are backed up by a page or two of glowing reviews, they feel they are able to command a higher rate.

This is just the American way of business, and who are we to tell them they are wrong? Just like any other good or service, the market will determine whether or not they are "overpriced". I don't worry much about what a woman charges, I have my own particular price "comfort zone" and I rarely pay more than $300 to see even the hottest of women, especially in a hottie rich city like Atlanta.

That said, I don't believe in "sour grapes" that many of the cheapskates like to engage in. They can't afford the higher rates, so they bash the ladies charging more, thinking they can "force" them to lower their rates by criitcizing them.

IMO, it's the sign of a pathetic loser to criticize  others for having a bit of success, I tip my hat to any lady who is able to command $500, $800 or even $1,000 for the priveledge of her company. I won't ever dream of paying that much myself, but my hat is still off to women who have guys lining up around the block to pay their rates. These guys must feel they are getting their money's worth, so who I am to cry foul?

Its bad for ya, but cha got to have it!!

There does seem to be a bandwagon of ladies going for a higher than normal range, without higher than normal services or value.

Luckily the Atlanta area has a good range of Indy and agency choices.

Time will tell if they are pricing themselves out of the market.

MY attitude is the same as the "High dollar whores", if someone doesn't like how much I make, they "Can go fuck themselves" lol

I am really hearing a lot of sour grapes here, I don't patronize "Platinum Pussies" either, but to begrudge them their success seem rather small minded and petty IMO. Hookers bring a lot more joy to my life than pro athletes (well not a lot more, but more) and I don't begrudge the multi million dollar salaries of pro ballplayers, why should I get my panties all in a wad just because some woman can get guys to pay her a grand an hour to fuck her?

It seems to me a majority of girls started their careers via the Agency route.  The prevailing ATL pricing for agency girls is $250-$300.  Many of these same girls leave the agency and charge $350-$400, with many at that $400 mark.  My question is for the guys, why do you pay that premium?  Do you get extra time or lots of emailing time with the girls? ,something you really can't do with the agency girls.  Or do some grandfather you into their agency price? I  don't get that premium,  have they progressed with experience to fuck you better? Lol.

I would appreciate honest feedback.  Go alias if you can give better truthful answers.

I asked a legit question from the GUYS.  You retorted with a provider follow up,  that didn't pertain to my question.

I'm about to ramble.  I'm posting under my regular TER identity.  I used to see discussions at cruise discussion boards from people who couldn't understand why anyone would ever book anything more expensive than an inside cabin, no windows, to be on the same ship with everyone else in a more expensive cabin.  Folks who never went to the fee added restaurant because they were perfectly happy with the main dining room that served everyone no matter what stateroom they were in.  Its all about whether you perceive added value, and does the lady effectively convey to you, in whatever way, why her time is worth her listed rate.  (And no, dear ladies I've met or whom I would love to meet, I don't think of you as ships where lots of people get on board.)

So why does an indy charge her rate?  Other than a simplistic "they charge the higher rate because they can", you really have to look at the overall pricing within the market, for us here in Atlanta, there is an issue of some rates creeping up but compared to some other leading cities we have somewhat lower rates.  When a lady goes indy she had expenses--hotel rooms, or if she gets/share an incall apartment, a web page, whatever the ad pricing is at various online sites, all the waters, beers, wines they offer us, the unscented body wash and other bathroom stuff, decorating the place to provide a nice setting if they aren't going the hotel route, etc.  Then they try to figure what is their $ goal, how busy do they want to be (4 guys a day?  only 1 per day?  5 days a week?  3 days a week? I'm not doing anything new here).  Do the math.

But I think the intangible is marketing/  where does each lady see herself relative to the other ladies in the marketplace?  what do they charge?  who does she want to see?  A couple years back I visited a couple times with a fabulously well reviewed local young lady who is now retired and she at various times was simultaneously seeing indy clients and agency bookings.  left her bookings at the agency at her old agency rate.  and admitted she determined she attracted somewhat different clients at the different price points.  if i recall, she went indy exclusively, marginally higher rate, before retiring altogether.

what do you "get" for the higher rate?  "fuck you better?"  for one thing, the client who books her when she is two years into providing and has three pages of reviews "gets" some measure of assurance of what he is getting himself into.  when you are the young lady's third review, there is more of an unknown, and we're generally less willing to pay a premium for that.  has she learned something along the way?  one would hope.  a hot girl who loves to fuck and is willing to suck sounds great.  now take that situation, make her a bit more relaxed as her schedule is of her own making and she may very well not have anyone else to see that day, so the exactness of start and finish time is at her discretion.  now let her be confident in starting things, taking the pressure off you--hey, this can make anyone, even a captain of industry/millionaire nervous. yes, perhaps some more individual email or text experience might add to the relationship, but i can recall a well reviewed provider, whom i've enjoyed seeing multiple times both as indy and when she was agency, who said on my second agency visit "oh, that review was you?  i didn't know who i was seeing, i liked that review, i'm glad its you again".  When i walk through her indy door it is a date, with expectations, recollections of individual likes and her own messages leading up to and confirming the date reveal her own anticipation.  when an indy keeps me guessing as to where we'll meet, perhaps keeps me waiting, making me nervous to sit in a parking lot or lobby or by a gate to be buzzed in, i dont appreciate the stress and i generally dont go back a second time.

i have a friend who has a budget in mind, sticks to it, and is happy with the girls he meets.  most of the "other stuff" i've mentioned here is largely intangible.  he's happy to dispense with the intangibles.  i appreciate what i perceive to be the difference in the experience. when i know she'll be ready when she said she will be, when i know we are indeed more free and at ease with one another when she's her own boss and not in an agency apartment with another girl in the other bedroom, and once in a while i'm told, hey, you're fine, lets finish what we're in the middle of" i perceive the difference in experience.

and one lady i told for years should increase her rate relative to how great everything about her is, and she didn't, maybe just slightly, but never went to truly another level (like 300 to 400 to 500, nothing like that).  she told me she was happy with what she was bringing in financially and she enjoyed her clients.  

(ladies, sorry for the following analogy--no, you're not pieces of meat to me any more than you are ships; even though i do love riding and eating...) Or think about how Longhorn and Mortons both serve a filet that many people, including myself, enjoy.  Sometimes I desire a meal at Morton, I want a Mortons experience and have expectations of something more than Longhorn, even though either place will bring me a filet, or a n.y. strip.  And some people are perfectly happy with a fine Longhorn steak and can't understand why anyone would pay premium steak house prices.  Neither one of them is wrong.  The issue lately with pricing here, to continue the strained analogy, appears to be a Longhorn with Mortons' prices on its menu.  All we can do is try to share thoughtful information here, and then do our homework and try to make informed decisions about what we are seeking, what is our budget, and do we perceive any added value.  There are many hot, horny, enthusiastic ladies at agencies in Atlanta, and I've been in very nice agency apartments.  Seek your own level, try a different price point once or twice and if you don't feel like you had a more pleasurable experience, then go back and stay where the prices meet your desires.

And here I thought with that name you were some disgruntled provider.  You aren't irrational -  just a normal guy.  We all have some girls that come through that just do it for us.  And I know you were joking, just saying.

Guys like you are who I want to be trading notes with.

I do agree with some of the comments. Some guys do have more income and are willing and able to pay more. I am guessing it may be some sort of ego thing.  I for one can afford 400 + hour providers but refuse to pay it. I have found plenty of great providers in the 200 to 300 range. I don't think more $ = better service. And I thought it was a fair question and didn't mind responding.

I decided a long time ago to ignore the greedy gals and their attitudes that morphe around.  You look at the majority of agencies that frequent this board and by and large, their rates are fair and one can recognize that they deliver good value and the rates are somewhat based on fixed expenses.  In other words, you don't feel like you've been taken advantage of.  But a funny thing happens.  Some of the girls they hire get too cocky for their own good.  They gain a following of schills from the TER community and their reputation builds until one day they seem to just say to themselves, I'm the shit and I deserve more money, and before you know it, off they go with their big indy announcements, their 300 to 600 rates.  Just to be brutily honest, as you requested, this scenario just plain pisses me off.  And I haven't spent one single dime on any of them once they flaunt their big deal indy status around the board.  Quite frankly, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if everyone of them just vanished.  I got no time for greed of the kind that floats around here in the past year or two.  I also believe that once a girl jumps her rates by double or more that TER should remove her past reviews.  There is big difference in a guys view of performance based on a 200 rate being paid than what he might say when the rate is suddenly double that.  A bj at 200 rate might be great, but if I'm paying 400, it damn well better be... well you understand.  As it is, you end up with the same or lessor service at double/triple the "old" rates.  I call bullshit.

What really bothers me even though it doesn't really impact me since I boycot the greedy gals, is that as a whole guys pay these damn rates.  I just find it fucking amazing that guys feed these greedy gals like they do when there are so darn many other gals who aren't so selfish.  So, while it pisses me off to see these girls doing this, I find it disgusting that guys are so dumb as to let it happen.

A chick starts off at an agency and realizes that she needs to fuck 5 strangers a day to earn a living.  She has no input as to who the guys are, so she takes all comers.  If she has a thing about black/white/fat/smelly, too bad.  Next!  So, she pays her dues and realizes that there's a different way.  It's time to jump out on her own and take on the additional responsibilities of screening, a location, paying for supplies, a website, photo shoots.  She realizes that the agency cut only covers so much and the way to drop volume is to increase rates.  Now, as a guy that's only concerned with wiggling his tiny dick in some hot chick, too fucking bad you lowlife whore.  To the guy that wants her to last in the business and not burn out by fucking 100 guys a month, he has to understand that it comes with a price.  That doesn't justify a huge increase, but as an independent business person, she markets herself as she sees fit.  As her client, you have a few choices.  You can recognize that she's trying to be selective and pay it, go back to the agency for the next flavor of the month, or haggle with her to keep her old rate because YOU'RE such a great customer.

I have a price limit.  There isn't a thing on earth that will make me budge from it.  There are a couple ladies that look really tempting, but they are on the wrong side of my line.  Bitching about it won't change a thing, except to make me look like a tool.  Trying to organize a john's union is equally as futile because some other guy is gonna pay a rate that you never would and be happy to assume that he's buying time with a lady that isn't fucking the entire city every month.

When I worked for an agency I had to see 5 guys a day to make any money.  I now choose to only see one or two a day.  Throw in a hotel room, supplies, advertising and of course maintnance on my self: That equals A LOT!  I hated working for an agency!  I was like a machine.  Wham bam and hurry and get the hell out!  Now I can spend actual quality time with my client and don't have to worry about someone waiting to use the room.  You work for an agency to learn the biz!  Not to stay and lose 40 percent of your money.  Agencies are very high traffic and the NEIGHBORS and APARTMENT mangers always find out!  You take a huge risk going to those incalls.  I was always nervous with an Agency.  Also I do fuck better NOW! My name, reputation and my business are on the line so I am a lot better now to answer that question.  Your paying for a tighter pussy and better experience.  There you go!

I set my limits and those are between $200 and $300.  Once the girl crosses that threshold is goodbye and start looking for the next.  There are many beauties that I will admire from afar but economics will not let me go there.  I prefer to see somebody with certain regularity than seeing somebody paying a lot of money just to say that I have been with her.

An example is Krystal Kisses.  The first time I saw her was 200.  couple months later went back and was 250. Couple months after that she went up to 300 and that was the last time I saw her.  Last time I look she was charging 350.  I will admire from afar.  She is a lovely lady has a nice apartment but I prefer her old motel room and the lower rate.

If the lady can get away with it more power to her.

I pay it because I wish to see that particular lady and that is what she charges.  Who I see is more important than the rate.  I look at the meeting and our time together.  If she wishes to charge more and people don't pay, then she will have to relook at her approach, but it is entirely her call.  

I would put the reverse situation out there for discussion.  If a lady was not very good at an agency, but went out on her own and charged less, would I go see her?

.....I wouldn't take it in the chute for 50K so if a girl wants to charge more for the stuff she'll do then more power to her.

Here's a few reasons (some discussed earlier) for paying more for an indie.

1.  More flexibility with the time.  I've seen several independants who have let me stay over (sometimes, way over) my scheduled time simply because we enjoyed talking with one another.  You can't do that with an agency girl.

2.  Safety.  Let's face it, LE is going to be more likely to target an agency for a bust than an independent.  (Hope it doesn't happen.)

3.  Lower volume provider.  I like being with a woman knowing that she's not seeing five guys that day.

4.  Better service.  (Maybe).  Some indies really do give unbelievable service that I will pay for.  Some agency girls do too, of course, and fortunately I've found a few.

All in all I've been very happy with some agency girls.  If one of them went indpendant and jacked up her price a little, I'd probably pay it knowing that she would appreciate it and probably give me a little extra attention.  If she raised her price dramatically, I'd probably ask for a discount or move on to someone else.  Fortunately, there are some super girls in Atlanta in the mid-200s.

also -not all - but most -  indy providers will grandfather in at the initial rate u see them at to keep a base


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"Your paying for a tighter pussy and better experience.  There you go!"


Tiny Gini more fun  EOM

to the people who want to get better value --just hop on a plane and head to the Del Rey in Costa Rica and live it up 24/7 for cheap-cheap
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A pussy, just like anything else for sale, is worth what someone is willing to pay for it
Posted by GaGambler, 10/13/2011 3:16:08 AM
Lots of agency girls put in their time working for an agency at rather modest prices as a form of "paying their dues", once they get a reputation, and are backed up by a page or two of glowing reviews, they feel they are able to command a higher rate. This is just the American way of business, and who are we to tell them they are wrong? Just like any other good or service, the market will determine whether or not they are "overpriced". I don't worry much about what a woman charges, I have my own particular price "comfort zone" and I rarely pay more than $300 to see even the hottest of women, especially in a hottie rich city like Atlanta. That said, I don't believe in "sour grapes" that many of the cheapskates like to engage in. They can't afford the higher rates, so they bash the ladies charging more, thinking they can "force" them to lower their rates by criitcizing them. IMO, it's the sign of a pathetic loser to criticize  others for having a bit of success, I tip my hat to any lady who is able to command $500, $800 or even $1,000 for the priveledge of her company. I won't ever dream of paying that much myself, but my hat is still off to women who have guys lining up around the block to pay their rates. These guys must feel they are getting their money's worth, so who I am to cry foul?

Great points.

yep unlike hotels  - there is no Groupon, Hotwire and Priceline for to help monetize unsold companionship time during "slow" times in this industry  - the price is what it is and thankfully you have a TER to get some idea of value

OK, fair enough so based on your past agency experience, the minute you went indy, you got a 40% increase in take home if the rate you charge as indy was the same as the agency rate.  Not a bad raise to say the least, and while I won't bore the thread with the math, that 40% increase would easily cover most of your start up fees after a week or so.  Mostly smooth sailing after that.

If rates were left at that, I wouldn't complain, but what we see is that girls aren't satisfied with that, they gotta take that 40% raise and increase another 100% or so.  I still call BS and still label it just plain greed particularly toward the very people who made you famous in the first place.  Just a big slap in the face.  But hey, I still place the blame for this type of behavior more on the guys who are dumb enough to pay it.

she charges $400, not $500

Actually, I think those things are always included in the discussion because those are just normal business expenses.  The "greedy" girls seem to always want to cast those as separate so that they end up thinking gee, I'm supposed to make $xxx just because I have a pussy, and then I must also add to that amount, the $xxx to cover all those things you mentioned.

The argument doesn't even pass the smell test because if a doctor, lawyer, accountant, can sustain a business at 200 an hour, there is no bonafid reason that a provider can't do it either.

What rate would you charge for a random stranger to have their way with you?

I don't choose to be in that business so it's apples and oranges.  I don't choose to dig ditches either, so that too would be irrelevant.  But, when professionals who put in all the years of education etc... they need with all those expenses, can make it at 200 an hour, an honest person would easily conclude that providers should also be able to make it at those rates comfortably too.  But, the real point is that they build their fame at the reasonable rates, then slap all those who made that possible by schilling for them.  That's the real pisser to me.  Your posts suggest you are willing to pay whatever they ask and schill happily down the rosy path.... Good for you... I'm not in that camp.  Neither am I really interested much in persuading anyone to my way of thinking, but that won't stop me from speaking my mind.

1.  I don't know many professionals that can make a decent living at $200/hr.

2.  Professionals can work 40-50 hours a work (or more), four weeks a month.  Women can only work so many hours a week and need to take one week off every months.

3. Professionals can expect a 40 year career and raise their rates as they get more experience.  Women have a limited career life.  Then they've got to hope they've saved enough money to transition to something else.

4.  Remember, unless she uses a scheduler (which is an added cost), a woman's got to spend a LOT of time answering the phone, responding to texts and emails, and scheduling her appointments.

5.  Women get a lot of no-shows.  They can't rebook the time.  They just lose the potential income.

Not saying that women should charge us out the ying-yang, but I can understand why they need to charge more than $200/hr.

That's me exactly!  You can call me MISTER SHILL, to others Atl_Guy will suffice.  It is always good to have well thought out, logical and considerate posters, as well as you participating on the board.  

Are you the person posting on the board for the Rolling Stones demanding they honor their ticket prices from the 60's?

Fair enough all valid points that might cause me to moderate slightly, but not nearly to the levels we've all seen take place.  But again, not my intention to win any arguments.  To each their own, I'm still just dumb founded that guys are willing to pay some of the new rates we've seen.

If I am turning down more appt's than I am taking and am booked for up to 2 weeks than I think raising the rate is just.  4 star hotels, refreshments, nails, tanning, hair salon $$$$, nice car, nice apartment, clothes, lingerie... ect     The point of getting into this business is to make a lot of money!  This is not a long term career.   It's more than buying a box of condoms and lube and getting a room at an extended stay.  I provide an experience and like nice things.  You pay for what you get.  I'm not being greedy, I'm being SMART.

"I'm still just dumb founded that guys are willing to pay some of the new rates we've seen."

I agree.  I agree.  Don't people know we're in a recession?  Is there a real estate boom going on that I don't know about?  Maybe all those guys invested in gold a couple of years ago.  lol

Are you serious bro?  This is the business world we live in.  If they feel that they can get that amount of money, then so be it.  It is a matter of supply and demand.  Let's not get in an economics debate, but who wouldn't do the same thing?  I just signed back up to TER after a few years off, and this board has turned into a bunch of crybabies.  If you don't like their rates, then don't see them.  If they won't grandfather their old rates to you, then don't see them.  You are taking this thing way too personal.  In the end you are paying for a commodity.  Decide whether or not you want to pay for it and let the market take care of itself.

My response was to the alias (sorry was unclear).  This may me one of those times when Guysrdumabsses

Fact: Business is BOOMING!!! Most of my clients are travelling business men and as a provider above the 300 rate, multiple hours and overnight packages are also being utilized.  So recession or not: Men still like to treat themselves...

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You can't compare a providers job to a 9 to 5 job.  Remember this is an illegal activity.  It's always going to be expensive. Normal rates do not apply here.  I'm bored at the doctor's office, so I am going to do some funny math.

Let's say provider x charges $350/hr.  Sees about 30 clients a month.  That comes out to about 10,500 a month.  Expenses  
For an incall, supplies, advertising runs 20-25%.  Leaves roughly $7500 to $8000.  The provider does not have health insurance, 401k, workers comp, etc.  IE, benefits of working a normal job.  The reason I am pointing this out is the provider is seeing 30 different stangers to net maybe $6000  a month.  I say it's a hard way to make an easy living.  Also exposed to higher unknown dangers, std's, assault by client, robbery.   I would say that 30 is probably a low number for the average Indy when an agency girl sees 5 a day.

I remember discussing this with a provider( now retired) who worked at a well known agency.  She saw 7-8 clients a day to make $11000 a month.  That was one pussy that can take a pounding.  She eventually when Indy. Remember the agency girls make about $125 to $180 per client.  Also, a girl might have several calls a day or no calls.  Once again, can't compare this job to a regular job.  So to make $6000.00 she has to see 40 clients at  $150.

Quit counting other people's pocket.  This is a hobby.  Determine  what your CPI( cost per insertion) rate is whether it be 200, 300, 400, or 500 hr.  Most of the hobbyists on this board probably make a six figure income, otherwise we probably wouldn't be playing in this arena. Happy hunting.

Also thanks to all the ladies on this board.
 

But quit whining.

You assume guys always pay retail
You assume every session booked shows up
You assume volume stays constant.

I rarely cross the 300-350 line, but I have.

One of my all time favorites, retails in Dallas at 5, but I have never paid it.

I am comfortable enough to lay out my requirements for 2+ hour sessions, plus where i am willing to make concessions.  The smart ladies say yes or no.  Others get bitchy about it.  When my economics normalize, I willing accept revised rates.  But the real smart ones that find common ground with me, AND amaze me is session, usually find a nice annuity stream of revenue.

Finally, I will accept higher than agency rates from an indie ta can flex with my crazy schedule, and frequent inability to plan ahead, very late nite references, and occasional unexpected cancelations.

There are plenty of ladies in all price range, splurge once in a while, you may be surprised.  But enjoy those you schedule

$300 an hour?  I know that I haven't been in a strip club in quite a while, but DAYUM!!!!

you'll have a herd of pussies around you .... until you run out of bills....

Uhhh- no.
No, no, no, no!

As a guy that regularly actually goes to a club (well, two clubs) for fun (& I mean FUN), that price thrown out ($300- is that for the VIP room as it doesn't include sx) is just incredible (wait- gotta admit I do not go to Cheetah, so that $300 may be real for the same suckers that pay $900 for an hour with mid-level traveling porn stars).

and that is why I love going to my club regulars that provide me all the benefits for half the price of a full-time provider. And they look forward to my coming in (they get my discretionary $ LOL). and I get the skinny on the new ladies that might just be some fun in VIP too. Its a great world out there (the clubs).

and yep- I have dropped all of my "provider" cash on about four wonderful regulars (and the stop by my place with no "outcall" fee). Of course, we just talk.

Don't know where you go but one I frequent is $270 half hour in VIP. That doesn't include tip to waitress. That's most likely with no sex unless you get lucky and find the dancer that 1. will have sex and 2. won't ask for more $ to do it. (There are some now and then.) Most of the ones that will...want more $ for it. Since I started the hobby I don't do that any more. Now I occasionally go to watch and talk to a few dancers I've gotten to know. I rarely spend more than 100 in several hours now.
I now can spend an hour with an excellent provider in a really nice in call for less than that and have a much better time with sex included. I have no problem spending 300 to 350 for an hour with a provider though.

Not spending 500 /hr ever. Most I ever spent per hour was 400.

I am glad the rate thing is settled again. Whew....I thought it would turn into bitching about something you have no control over. What a relief!

Glad you noticed that.  I just asked the guys to answer a few questions.  And you see the result.

I have no idea where you worked but that doesnt sound like any of the Top agencys that I know of.. Having to see 5 a day to make money??? so what youre saying is that this agency say has 6 girls and yall are doing 5 a day.. thats 30 guys walking up to the door.. First thats a load of hooey cuz taint No One doin that kinda buisness in this city! Unless it was one of those lovely BP Pimp agencys fulla 100 dollah ho's? Theyre doing that. Is that where you come from?
Do not paint is all with the same brush.. OK.. You had a rotten experience.. too bad if you had found me instead....?
Agencys certainly are not for eveyone.. And We Are All Not Alike!

tyvm,P.T.

I will answer in 1, 2, 3, fashion. Don't know if it will help as I don't pay those upped rates.

1. Why pay that premium?  I don't. The increase was only 50. (made the rate 325) To me that wasn't much.
2. extra time or e-mailing with the girls? - I did not get this with one of the ladies that I saw after she went indie. Though the end of the session and leaving was a bit more relaxed as there was no one to account to about being over more than a few minutes. We only e-mailed to set up appointment and to confirm. Her "new" rate was only 50 more than what I had paid before. She has increased again since then. I haven't seen her. It's now out of my budget.
With one other I did get more time and we did e-mail about things other than just setting appointments. Her increase was also only 50 but she grandfathered my rate which leads to #3 below.
3. Many will grandfather rates so the increase is a none issue for established clients. (Previous posts/posters on this subject have stated that eventually they begin to pay the higher rate or move on when they can't or decide they won't.)
4. Actually some providers I have seen did get better with time and experience so that argument could be made. ( Not the two mentioned in #2 above. They were excellent to begin with.) I can see that a session with a provider that has learned and improved from experience would be worth more. How much more? Well that's what this is about, isn't it?

I like some previous posters have an amount I won't go over no matter what. If a provider increases to the point she is over that amount I won't see her even if I've seen her before.  
Your asking why and guessing at reasons will get you many answers. But like everything in the hobby the answer is...everyone is different and what works for one won't work for another. None of it will make sense to those that have opposing views.  I won't pay 400/500 or more. I can't. Wouldn't if I could but those that do and will...it's ok by me, I don't understand but I don't have to. Yes, I do shake my head sometimes when I see rates like that but I figure more power to both since she can get that much and he can afford it.
Just my two cents. For what's it's worth because as I said I don't pay the rates you quote.
(Full disclosure... I did pay 400 once. No regrets.)

and you gave him a straight forward, well thought out, and (I assume) honest answer. Well that just not the way we do things around here. Haven't you been paying attention? lmao

You have several ways of telling with this since it upsets you so bad.

1) set up ur own tent in Piedmont and" occupy Atlanta"
2) continue to take a strong stance and prove the depth of your conviction by using an Alias? Wait, that might not do it.
3) move to a country with socialism
4) move on with your life and worry about things you can control
5) keeps complaining and just prove you are a fool

Getting in you words" mad as he'll" because someone can charge more than you are willing to pay is a waste of emotion.  Everyone has their own view of" value".  

You did pull me out and cause me to post more in one post than I have in almost a year.

1. Why do I pay the premium.
I don't if it exceeds my limits. My philosophy is and always has been that I won't pay more to get laid than I pay my lawyer and he has been fucking me for 30 years and not in a good way.
From day one in this hobby I gave myself a monthly allowance. If I spend it all in one or two weeks then I'm frustrated as hell for the rest of the month. If I'm not getting it weekly I'm  meaner than a rattle snake.
In this economy the allowance has changed but so has my time to hobby. Priorities change and most people I know are having to work longer and harder to make less than 3 years ago.

2. For several years now I have done more of the sugar baby thing and not hobbied as much.  When I do I tend to do the agency thing because it's usually last minute and can usually get in and out quickly which accommodates my schedule better. When I have seen independent ladies I do see a slight difference in attitude as far as clock is concerned. But for me it doesn't make a difference that much because I'm the one usually more on the clock than the lady. I do have some close provider friends in the business that I talk, text or email regularly but that has nothing to do with the business and more with friendship.
I have noticed that some Indy ladies will grandfather rates or extend time if they choose.  It is their decision to do that as they manage their time not the agency owner.

3. As for the experience, it is totally dependent on the lady. I've great experiences with agency ladies and Indies but they all reach a burn out at some level at some point in the business IMHO. Too much traffic, too much stress in their personal life etc. I can't say that one experience is really better than the other.
If you run into an agency lady that you really like at the current Atlanta rates hell book her for multiple hours and in some cases you can still save money. That is by no means a bad reflection on the ladies that charge 500 an hour.
It is what it is.  In this economy water will seek its own level.

Buffalo Heifers !

I do not doubt her. I know a girl that worked for a brazilian
House that had to turn up to eight in a day. Wore that thing
Out to the point she had to quit.

I can only add that water seeks its own level in any economy, but certainly the economy plays a major role in adjusting that level.

Xaviera Hollander, the Happy Hooker, wrote that when stocks go up so do cocks.  At least in her cathouse.

I totally agree!! They plain just get greedy. Us hobbyists should have a 'Occupy Wall Street' type of protest at all Atlanta agency 'headquarters' condos. Maybe the apartment complex would welcome our protests because we would effectively force the agency gals and greedy agency turned indy gals to go elsewhere?

I also agree that once their rates change , all previously posted reviews of the ladies that went from agency to indy staus , should be removed!!!

Points  welll made but THEY made that decision when they chose that lifestyle.....so they ARE fully aware of what they are getting into.

o you're just greedier than normal now , right ?

Back in the day... Yes I believe that too But, not anymore... nope no one is doing 30 clients a day..Guaranteed UNLESS theyre with the Pimps or Brazillians that run that way with low prices.. Theres a reason the Braziliaans were all booted out of SS and thats one of them.. Ya cant have that kind of traffic anymore people are too hip to the game now.. That girl you speak of.. how many years ago was that LOL?? a few Im sure..

tyvm,P.T.

nah..far from it.
Spinners...yes sir!
I can see u never get out to a real strip club LOL

What a brilliant plan, to "force" a woman to submit to your wishes for the purpose of your sexual gratification, rather than respecting her right to set her own boundaries.