but I still won't fill the out the damn things. I am with you and can't for the life of me understand why a guy, any guy would jump through that many hoops to pay to get laid.

As a very wise man once said, (well wise ass at least) "I will beg for pussy, and I will pay for pussy. I will not beg to pay for pussy"

I know all these indepently wealthy hookers who have guys lined up around the block to see them won't give a fuck, but to the rest of the ladies out there. If filling out a screening form is a prerequisite to even speaking with a prospective client, you will never, ever hear from me. It's your prerogative to run your business however you see fit, and I only have one vote to cast with my wallet, but I will never fill out one of those insipid screening forms. Just saying.... lol

My reputation is to good to even think about filling out those forms, if my handle and references aren't good enough its on to the next.

but MY time is worth much more to me than yours, and I refuse to fill out those forms for anyone, even you.

I bend over backwards to make it easy for people to do business with me, I don't jump through hoops to spend my money.

I can just imagine me telling one of my clients that because I charge XXX dollars per hour for my time that they need to jump through hoops for me before I will accept them as a client. Not likely, and yes I do make more per hour than any provider I know of, but I would never say that my time is more valuable than a prospective client, not if I really wanted that person as a client that is. lol

7. Please provide proof of prior illegal activities, along with contact information of those that you committed said crime with. lol

It's not a matter of security for me. Truth be told I don't give a fuck who knows I have sex with prostitutes. I just don't "jump through hoops" to become a customer.

Some, actually many providers use these forms because "their time is valuable", and that's the problem IMO. They have this attitude that their time is more valuable than mine which could not be further from the truth. If you want to jump through hoops for the privelege of giving money to some woman to fuck you, that's up to you, just don't expect me to join you.

I won't do either, I will however provide virtually any screening information a provider requests, but only after speaking to her and developing some type of feel for who I am dealing with.

As I said, I am divorced and the boss. I don't really care who knows that I frequent prostitutes. I refuse however to simply send out "screening information" to someone I have never spoken to. If a woman can't spend a minute or to speaking to me before I subject myself to screening because her time is "so valuable" , I don't have time to send her some silly email "applying" to be a customer.

The thread started below by SmallBizGuy prompted another question I'd like to ask and get both hobbyist/provider feedback.

It seems that the web forms on provider sites that request a lot of personal information has become more prevalent for screening purposes, and I'm very surprised at some of the questions often asked (circumcised Y/N?) but even more surprised that anyone would even fill these forms out.  I personally wouldn't even think of entering my personal information into one of those forms, and usually the provider will have alternative methods to screen, but not all providers are flexible, so I just move on. I've been told that some providers will actually just skip over any "applications" with incomplete forms, where the hobbyist has left some personal info out that he wasn't comfortable putting in the form, without so much as an explanation.

Providers, are these forms that important to your screening process and why the trend to this much less secure screening method?

Guys, why in the world would you enter your personal data, employment information, etc into this forms?  I can understand an unemployed, unmarried guy doing this, but.....

Fill out the Form or Email me the vitals needed.  The form and emails are ONLY seen by me and are deleted after our first appt. or automatically if they do not meet my criteria.  The Forms are secure and Safe, and those who fill them out save me alot of valuable time.  I do not ask if a gentleman is circumcised but I sure do prefer it if he is .

N0 company work info PERIOD! I did send a provider my photo some years and regret doing that!

When you fill in data and submit it, that information becomes a permanent record on the web.  With the right access and skill, nearly any data submitted like this can be obtained by those who want it.  So, for me, I'm not doing it.

You may think that just because you delete the form or an email, that is erased everywhere, but that is never the case.  That web form or email is stored on several ISP servers and will likely never go away.  So, in the unfortunate event that somebody wanted to see if there were forms or emails between you and whomever, they could easily do that if they had the system access and skill.  So, short story is that if somebody wanted to find proof of something, they could.  Ditto for text messages by the way.

Being discreet is the key!

Thank you for contacting me about your interest in my products.  In order to serve you better, please fill out the following.  Sorry, but I am unable to provide you with any merchandise unless the form is filled out completely.

1.  What type of illegal drugs would you like to purchase from me.

2.  What price do you wish to pay?

3.  Do you want to buy by the gram, ounce or pound?

4.  What is your name.  (First and last.)

5.  Employer and position with company.

6.  Work number.  (For verification purposes only.)

I promise, all information in this form will be deleted upon compeltion of the first successful transaction.  

Thank you for your business and for being a complete moron.

1.  I want some Mary Jane
2.  I can deliver you 100 roses
3.  I need an hours worth
4.  My ter name is "askingfortrouble"
5.  I'm self employed
6.  You have my number already in last email

LOL ....  For my privacy, please delete this email so I feel safe now.

What good is being discrete, when you've left irrefutable evidence behind.  Do you think for one minute that a scorned spouse, LE, or the government can't gain a copy of all electronic communication from your computer, or your client's, if they want it?  I know these forms, emails, etc... are convenient for you and maybe even the client, but IMHO, leaving a trail like this is just plain careless, not to mention stupid.

... a web form or not.

The fact that you're using this service (TER) or other services (CL, CityVibe, etc. etc.), you're already tracked.

You don't think someone can connect the dots?

I work in online advertising... I can tell you, if you're using the same computer to do your TER searches, or whatever... we'll figure it out

I have a form. My website is hosted off shore...somewhat safer but not fool proof.

It's a list of questions.

I don't care how you get the answers to me (phone, email, form etc.)  just that you do.

Here's why...

I use a fixed incall that I cannot easily turn my back on and never use again like you can hotels.

If I am gonna be okay with giving someone my home address I'm gonna know who I'm giving to.

Plain and simple.

I am super cautious and will remain that way. Plus, I offer submissive S&M. If someone clears screening and an appointment gets out of hand and they really hurt me. I know who they are. SOOOO...I feel if someone has given me their real info I may be less of a target to be victimize than I would be if the client was anonymous.

(There was a provider killed in a high end hotel in Chicago this week...BTW)

There are many providers that I won't give my real name or address to just because...hell we all know what the reasons can be. Not everyone that wants your info is a safe person to give your info to.

I'm not out to hurt anyone personally or financially. I have a rather good life outside of this that I don't want to mess up so in turn I won't mess up yours.

I just want to have som SAFE dirty fun just like most of ya'll.

This is just my take on it. The safer I make myself the safer my visitors are.

Do what makes you feel secure or you won't have any fun.

I'm not greedy or desparate enough to put myself at risk.

Be safe and well

Stephanie

Hey Steph, I don't think anyone is arguing against certain screening.  The point is in the manner by which that info is communicated.  Doing it by way of the web, establishes evidence for eternity and personally, I don't consider that approach to be wise.  Providing some amount of info by voice over a telephone is a whole lot different than sending it through the web.

cheerio to you as well.

I don't really mean to come across as harsh, but remarks like "my time is valuable" coming from a seller of services, kind of rubs me the wrong way. It implies, intentionally or not, that your time is more valuable than mine, which is a definite put off for me.

That said, you look beautiful and I am sure you will do just fine without my patronage.

I was just letting people know I have a form, as many do, if someone expresses concern about it I try to accomodate them other ways. Just a different path to the same place.

If there is a provider that someone wants to see with out the form, contact them somehow and ask for options. Some will help you to do this some won't. If they won't find someone who will.

Thanks

Your email is tagged and stored at the incoming mail server. Tagged every intermediate server it goes through and finally tagged by the receivers email server before it is delivered.

Web Form is stored on SQL database and by law ISP MUST store emails for minimum 12 months, analyze it and keep a record of when it was destroyed.

Same for databases.

The only way only your eyes sees it for to string your own wires and that is not even possible since you will need a license

So I would send an email but I will not include personal information. I will give you necessary info over the phone. Web forms "NO WAY". If you ask if I am circumcised, or other personal questions, I am not interested, Thank You Very Much!

Lots of good points made,  Reasonable discussions.  Helpful to us all.  Shows that we are a community afterall.

OK.  Just to stir the pot a little.  I'm sure NO PROVIDER would EVER actually keep any completed forms in the event she got busted and needed some leverage to get some leniency. lol  Call me paranoid, but -- hell, yeah I'm paranoid!!

I am going to make it damn hard as I possibly can. No, I visit all the sites you mentioned but are not tracking me. Have disabled every single tracking cookies . Cookies are detected, sandboxes and delted.

Being discrete is tantamount in this business - that is a given.  However, no web form is safe, much less "bullet-proof" as another provider poster insinuated.  

I understand how important a provider's safety is, but her safety is no more important than that of her client.  I don't think anyone would argue with that, so it boggles my mind that ANYONE would provide (especially in a web form) their real last name, address, and employment information.  That is just stupid crazy in my opinion.  Do you think a Provider would give you her real name and address and other employment information to ensure a client's safety?  No, not if they have any sense at all, so why would a client be so stupid?

There have just been too many cases of Providers (in Atlanta, and recent) that have "outed" clients to their spouses or work or threatened to blacklist or expose real identities because they've been given a bad review or had their NCNS habits exposed.

I've met over 100 Atlanta ladies without giving my last name, much less my employment, and have been well screened.

Why do providers want to know the name of the client's employer? What will they do with that? If they end up having a disagreement is the provider going to call the employer to complain about the employee?

For that matter, why is it a concern if the client is employed or not? What if they are self-employed? What if they are a student? What if they are living off of a trust-fund (I wish I had that particular situation, but I still need to show up for work every day like most people).

I do understand why they might want to see some form of ID for the first meeting, but employer information seems to be too intrusive.

my guess is he's trying to find a way to get comfortable with it himself and he's hoping someone will give him a reason

maybe he wants to see you ....

My Business is not hurting.... cheerio

Sorry: He hit the enter key.  I can be contacted email, p411, datecheck or here on TER with your name, age and references.  ---Don't really see how that is intusive.  The 15 Pm's I just got proves why I can never do phones.  Goodnight my sexy Gents...

I dont want a gents personal info. I have invested a lot of time getting to know the ladies so I can get references with no problem (I also love the ladies I know,, they are the best friends anyone could ask for) I have gotten to know enough ladies across the country and know how to research the ones I dont know so I DONT have to get a gents personal info PLUS all his work stuff doesnt tell me if he is crazy, a drug user, or a killer. Provider refs do.  Also if something were to happen what do I know if I only know who you and who you have seen and what you like? Not much. So I definitely do require refs from reputable ladies but I dont want all that personal info. Guys seem more at ease with me when they know I cant cause them harm and we can have more fun knowing thats all we know about each other, WE JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN and we are safe. Besides LE can get what the fuck ever info they need as far as work stuff is concerned however they cant fake refs from several reputable and well established ladies.
Hugs and kisses
TL

Hey u only live once so in Richard Pyror motto if worried about ramifications lie lie and lie some more to SO or Uncle LEO. I really care we are here to have fun and pound the mound so to speak.

Your a reputable TER member.  I get about 10 emails a day: with no name and a just "are you available?"   My reply back is always: " I have no idea who you are?, and I don't just see ANYBODY"  You men have the right to be choosy with your women so I prefer to Choose my Men.  I'm a single woman and my own Boss.  I do not like to talk on the phone and check my personal voicemail about once a week b/c anybody that knows me, knows I'm not a phone person. It's not being lazy, it's just my preference.

I think a fart in a diver's helmet is pretty damn funny, but then I am not exactly the mature type. lol

How refreshing to finally see a provider response that makes sense, doesn't sound arrogant, and doesn't put her personal time/safety on a pedestal above her clients.  Oh, and I didn't even have to hear about the five appointments a day that you refuse, the lines of clients stacked up at your door, and you didn't even mention the "fuck you" if you don't like it rhetoric.... How refreshing.... Thank you.

After reading this thread and the pros and cons of filling out information, I am never filling out a provider form again!

I'm very caring and down to Earth.  I said "filling out my  forms saves me alot of valuable time"   I don't half ass anything and put 110% into my dates.  I value and respect my clients and their time.  I gave my 2 cents just to give some reasoning of WHY being E-mail only and forms are neccesary.  Throwing out numbers is just my way of giving some insight of whats it like for a busy provider.  If your offering very little product and have high demand then thats just simple economics.  Having to take phone calls would not work for ME.  If you haven't spent real time with someone then there is no reason to be rude here.  I will not be on TER this weekend, so email me directly

Now all we have to do is...... well lets just say Im horny lol
Hugs and kisses
TL

What amazes me is why would someone need my employment info anyhow...since knowing where I work doesn't make me a good or bad client and as for safety, since we aren't allowed to know any personal info about the ladies (and over the years I've met some real bad ones) that's why many of us use TER. The ladies will say "you can learn all you want about me from my reviews so don't ask any revealing questions"...Well, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".
I can understand some sort of screening for guys with no or few reviews but at some point the fact that I haven't seen a provider in a long time shouldn't matter. I've got 30 reviews here and 17 OK's on another sight...as far as I'm concerned those 2 numbers are sufficient screening from my point of view.

I have a background in IT Security and the data center industry; and data handling is what I do, day in and day out.

The bottom line is that email and these web forms may as well be post cards, period. It is up to the individuals using these means of communication if they want to worry about it or not. Chances are, since there are far more dangerous freaks than ya'll (shocker, I know... ), that no one will pay much attention to the emails or web forms; unless the provider or customer is being looked at for anything.

By the time the data (be it web form/email) makes it to the provider, like someone said earlier, it is absolutely tagged and logged so many times; it would shock you. The final time it gets tagged is when it goes into whatever data center is hosting the website or email server. They have to cover their asses from an acceptable usage stand point; and prove on a very regular basis that they aren't hosting kiddie porn in their facilities. Tagging the data that comes into their facilities is a CYA against the FBI coming in and literally taking the servers away. I mean that literally.

So rest assured, there is NO security in the web forms and email, period, full stop. At a minimum, whatever hosting company directs that data, and the data center company providing space to that hosting company, is paying VERY close attention to those web forms and emails.

Like I said, you just need to decide if its worth the risk.