I noticed this part of your message:

"Her website lists her hourly rates....but for anything special or out of the norm, it instructs us to ask for details.  WELL.....I KEEP ASKING AND SHE WON"T ANSWER!!! (sorry...started to lose it.) I know she is waiting for a better, or even newer offer. Always looking to expand the client base."

Maybe what you are asking for is something she is not inclined to do.  It could be lots of things but speculation gets us nothing.  I agree, you should move on and find a new lady to see because obviously things are not working for you with this one.  This hobby is supposed to be about fun and relaxation and you seem to be about as stressed out as a person can be.  

Hope you find a new lady or a couple more to see.
Thanks

Let me apologize up front if this sounds like I'm going postal....close, but not yet!!  And let me please apologize in advance that I am not directing this at any lady here. From what I've seen, you all are truly this:  Absolute Ladies.   I'm posting this here in hope of actually receiving valued counsel....not flamethrowers.  So.....here we go..............

Just read the post on another board about the alleged "Aunt Flo" excuse. Some ladies can't be honest, and wind up using this excuse? Hasn't that happened to all of us.....I just think it's ironic that a month later that same lady is touring!!!!

Anyway, here's my rant.  

First let me say I have a favorite lady. Love her to pieces. If possible, I'd see her every week, and probably no one else. In a way, that may be as much of the problem as anything. If I was smart, I'd just say....next!!

But I'll try to schedule a date.....and never hear back. WTF!!!!!! At this moment I have 4 separate date requests for different times over the next couple of months. Not a yes. Not a no. Just.........???????

LADIES -- we understand it's about business. One would expect that being a consistent, reliable, "money in the bank" client would get you some degree of "best customer" treatment. However, although I don't like it, I now realize and understand that becoming a credible, reliable, repeat customer doesn't get you preferred treatment. It puts you into the category of being a Backup. Or even worse, those dreaded words.....Plan B.

I've been seeing this lady for 2 years. Once a month. But it f******kin' drives me crazy to ask for a date.......and then wait. And wait. And wait. And wait. Have to ask her over and over again. Won't reply. Won't confirm. Her website lists her hourly rates....but for anything special or out of the norm, it instructs us to ask for details.  WELL.....I KEEP ASKING AND SHE WON"T ANSWER!!! (sorry...started to lose it.) I know she is waiting for a better, or even newer offer. Always looking to expand the client base. And what the hey,  if there is not a better or newer offer, well, old reliable is always there. And stupid me, I am.

Ladies....I know this comes as a shock, but we have lives too!!!!!!  Most of us have an SO....which means we have to plan our dates. Often times sneak our hobby money out of the house a little at a time. And what about our work schedule?  Or the rare time we get to slip away overnight or for a weekend and want to take you with us. Like making hotel or plane reservations. If the guy has to pay, and I understand that's on us, I'd rather book a flight when the plane is 25%  booked than wait til it's 95% booked. Even giving deposits doesn't work.  I've tried to schedule several overnight trips, and it's always a last minute, holding my breath waiting to see if she'll go. It's almost like: I'll go with you if I don't get a better offer, and oh, while I'm at it, I'll put you off so long you can't schedule with anyone else. JUST SAY YES OR NO!!!!!

There are 3 answers you can give us: Yes, No, or......the worst possible.......Wait.   Wait for what?   You to get a better deal?   Yes...I know I should just say F**K IT and move on.  There's only one problem with that........it's always worth the crap I go thru.  But.....I'm getting close to saying I'd like to be the Plan A.  Especially reading reviews where new clients go on and on about how quick and responsive she was, and how easily screening and scheduling was.  Well......27 dates (and that works out to about $27,000) and I can't get a yes or a no.  And what's even worse....she's not a BP or CityVibe girl. She's a top 25 provider.  And yet......I wait.

Hope you don't bash me for putting up with this....but I'm getting close to not.  But can any of you explain whether this is the norm.....or I'm the biggest sucker in the hobby.

Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and it doesn't sound like you are. I have men who give me a whole lot less and I book them 10 days in advance or what ever works best for them. I understand how I value my time and would feel awful if I was played with the way you are.

Move on and look for a new lady. Start on the right foot and be sure what you allow is what you want. Once someone treats you with disrespect it's easy to repeat the actions so speak up the next time.

PS : I would forget any travel plans with someone who can't give you a definite yes well in advance

Kisses Haley

I wish.

I'm a one pop guy. Daty, CG, Mish, Doggie, BBBJ.  Low key, never rough. I'm about as safe and conservative and easy as you'll find. 10+ whitelists.

Thing is....she'll always say yes. It's just that I feel like a kid asking for a cookie too close to dinner.

with Haley and Fallon. Darlin, its time to move on. I know shes your ATF, but it sure doesnt seem like she wants to be! To me, it feels like shes being kinda passive/aggresive on this. She doesnt REALLY want to see you, but she doesnt want to come right out and say it. Maybe shes hoping you will take a hint?

On the other hand, if she DOES want to see you, believe me, after NOT hearing from you for awhile, SHE will contact YOU. The ball is in your court (so to speak lol) darlin! DONT let yourself be treated like this. Theres THOUSANDS of us out here that would love to be your ATF!

The number 1 rule of this Hobby is to HAVE FUN!! If its stressful or drama filled, What the Heck is the point? You can get that at home!! HUGS!!

Often ladies ask what makes an ATF. Usually scheduling is high on the list. I agree that waiting adds a lot of stress to what should be a fun hobby. Just the other day I asked to schedule an appt and she said she was avail at 5pm I replied an hr later that that would be fine and I would see her at 5pm, She finally got back to me 30 mins before our meet and said that she scheduled someone else. WTF. Yes waiting for an answer is a bummer. As a gent I follow through with my commitments. So I will not try to book more than one lady at the same time and see who replies first. Ladies don't you get it? You do not like flakes but if you do not reply you are creating the very situation you do not like.

Often I will ask are you avail at such and such a time and the will say no I am busy and I ask what their availability is and get no reply. I can not read minds and I do not know your schedule so if you are interested say what times work for you! If not just say no.

At one point I got so frustrated I dropped out of the hobby for some time. It was after I tried to book 5 different ladies when i was  out of town on a  business trip and got no replies. Sometimes I feel weird going down my provider almost in desperation list just to see who is available so I can get some. Calling, texting and waiting, the time goes by fast. and then there was none.

I have been trying to book an appt for 2 weeks now. I might get lucky Saturday if life does not get in the way!

however, I won't beg to pay for sex. Move on!!

She sounds like she has no respect for you. This may be the way she treats all her clients. I got the impression as I was reading that she simply doesn't have it together. See you, don't see you, today, tomorrow, whatever! It's also possible that she figures as long as you keep coming around there is no need to treat you any differently. There are many fine ladies in this business that do have it together and will treat you with respect. There is no need for you to have to deal with this. What you are experiencing is Not Fun. I advise you to go on your TER regional ad board and start looking for some new ladies that could be ATF's. To me she couldn't be an ATF if she treats you this badly.
I also agree with one of the earlier posters that said she may be passive/aggressive. Whatever her reasons she is not interested in letting you know what's up in hopes you will go away and she won't have to tell you not to call anymore.
But my take is she is simply one of those people that are irresponsible and everyday is an "oh well, whatever" day.
I have never experienced this with a provider but I've known many strippers like this. They will tell  you whatever for the moment but you never know if it will actually happen. Seems they like the idea of someone hangin' on everything they do. Might be a power thing. No way to really know.

Most important thing is. You are in control. Don't give it up to her. Have fun and it's up to you to do what's necessary to make it enjoyable. Your post sort of puts out there that the ladies need to just say Yes or No. Everyone of the ladies I have seen does that so just go out and find one that will do that for you. Then you will know what an ATF really is.  My two cents. xyz23

I've seen the attitude you are describing and it really upsets me. My regulars come first. You email me and believe me you are going to receive a response within a couple of hours if not right away. You have earned that respect.

Unfortunately she doesn't deserve your money if she treats you this way. Providers used to understand the importance of regulars but from alot that I read, many don't get it. There are enough quality providers available that you don't have to stand for this type of treatment nor should you.

Yes we have lives and busy schedules but you make time to answer emails.

This hobby takes a major investment in time and money.  Why do it if it is not enjoyable.  Move on to someone who will treat you better.  I have always thought that the rating system should have a third catagory for ease of appointment.  As far as I am concerned, nothing that happens after the door opens can adequately compensate for a miserable experience getting to the door.

To be honest.....I've been looking for months. If I could have found someone to make me feel like she does when we're together, I would have moved on long ago.  Short version.....the reason I'm there and put up with this crap, is that WHEN we are together, it's almost impossible to describe. Granted...she's on stage. But there is a level of intimacy that exists due to the history we have together.  If all I was looking for was sex...that's easy. It's the personal intimacy that separates her.

But there's still the feeling of being taken for granted. One of the earlier posts stated that there is a prevalent tendency among many young ladies to only look a day or two ahead. Planning and organization is not a strong suit. I hope that is the case here.

 And to be truthful, as the date requested draws nearer, her attitude changes and I become important. Again. But I go into a date in paradise....however, in the back of my mind, I'm thinking...."What about the other three dates I asked you about?"  I still can't understand how a $100 cleaning at my dentist can be set 6 months out...but a $2000 overnighter can't be confirmed next month.  

I guess what is most bothersome is realizing the cold hard facts of this business. You want to think that there's a history developed over time. Maybe even a professional friendship. The fact, though, is it's all about the envelope.

No Its not always about the envelope but most of the time. I have made a couple friendships and are still friends with them and see them from time to time. What I do in your situation. And I have been there. Is after I have made the plans with her. i always tell her I will reconfirm a day  before and give her an approximate time. if I try to contact her and can't and she doesn't get back wth me . Then I will call or text or both and tell her that if I don't hear from her by such and such a time I will assume she can't make it and I will make other plans. has worked for me a few times but you have to be willing and able to actually make other plans if she don't call back. Either that or bluff I guess. But if she really wants to make your appointment she will contact you back.

you received this type of treatment?  I doubt it--move on.

I was annoyed with a Fav lady...  we always booked by email...  her account got hacked & she could not get it back.  Try her by another means.  I learned to not believe something unless I talked to a live person.  Providers are at increased risk of this because most have their emails published in ads.  
I administer a non-hobby site & recently had my contact account hacked / password cracked.  Even though I write out the words some Nigerian targeted me.  I was fortumnate that I recovered mine.  

I gotta say I find it unwise to go exclusive with a provider.  I find it best to rotate among a small number of Favorites...  occasionally a potential new Fav...  

If she is getting your messages...  but not responding.  You have no choice but to move on.  she may be afraid you are getting too clingy / close to her...  or she might be getting feelings...  Respect her & move on.
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