that kind of behavior." If you actually read his posts carefully, he simply said such behavior exists. Your suggesting he defends it is total "reading in" on your part. Which makes it hilarious when YOU accuse HIM of "sloppy writing" when it's you who are AGAIN guilty of sloppy reading. Give it a rest.
For the first time I was denied seeing a someone. She told me cause the ladies I see are only 350-400 range that she was more elite then that. I was willing to pay her fees. That are a lot higher. I have references. Tons of them. I’m polite. And I always leave when my times up. I prob have 1 negative remark about me cause I left a negative review for the provider. Only thing I can think of but I felt it was weird. Like this provider think she’s that much better then anyone else and she’s a low volume girl. I mean. You have over 100 reviews on yourself. What’s low volume about that. Has anyone else ran into that issue and how does one go about convincing the lady to see you. And ladies. Do you do this? Is this normal
I was turned away by a 600/hr provider because "I see too many girls" Her most recent review was from a guy who wrote 6 reviews the previous month and had 60 reviews over two years. I would not be surprised if you are talking about the same girl. In the end I was grateful. I used the 600 for two great hours with two other girls.
I've had ladies get back to me AFTER I replied to their reference request and actually say, "oh sweetie I'm so sorry I wasted your time! I don't accept guys who see providers who ____________(do one-hour appts, are less than $$$, etc) ______) but I only just looked at your site. We follow each other on Twitter and I thought you were better than that!"
Seriously. I've gotten those types of passive-aggressive, whorearchy spewing messages multiple times.
I wouldn't say it's exactly "normal" but it's been happening with a greater frequency in the past year or two.
It is generally proof she is neither and is more likely an "entitled bitch." Consider yourself lucky.
Not give me a reference because I charge less then 6$$ a hour she said she would not verify anyone that charged so low.
and she just can't stand to be with someone who's grammar is so bad.
"...she just can't stand to be with someone whose grammar is so poor." :P
Life is good
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Although, I'm not above making value judgements on such matters.
According to the Oxford-English dict, the first citation of "bad" in the moral/value sense dates back to only 1325.
Bad in the sense of "not of the expected or requisite quality; poor, worthless; deficient, inferior; of a low standard, below par" dates back to 1276. This is cited throughout the centuries and into the present day. It has had a healthy existence throughout Modern English.
That is all to say, "bad" is a perfectly acceptable adjective here, even if "poor" kinda sounds better in usage. Just sayin'.
Your review scores run nearly the entire range of what TER allows, from 2 to 10. You have given a 3-2, a 5-2, a 5-5, 5-6 and so on. Your average seems to be about 7. Providers do not consider 7 a very good score, and they certainly don't want to take a chance that you will give them a 2, so its better in the long run to just pass on you. I have met several indies that will not see guys who give scores lower than 7, no matter what the reason. These girls rely on their TER review average to keep the customers coming, and a few low scores can bring that average down pretty quickly.
This happened to me about 5 years ago in Vegas. I was in town for two nights mid-week, and wanted to see a nice provider, someone who was toward the high end of my donation range. In the week before my trip I decided on a well-known tall, buxom, Vegas lady, and sent her an introductory email with references and whitelists. The next day she replied and said she checked my references and would love to see me, so we set up a 2 hour date at my suite at Palazzo. I was really looking forward to seeing her. I emailed her the day of to confirm. She replied at 6pm, 3 hours before the date 9:00 date, that she needed to cancel without giving any explanation. I was pissed because I had planned my day/evening around the date, and now 3 hours before the date I had nothing. I emailed my objections to her, and asked why she needed to cancel. She responded to my email stating that as she read my TER reviews she saw that I had given out a lot of 7s and 8s, and she was concerned that I was a "tough grader." I suggested that she focus on the Vegas ladies I had seen in her price range to whom I had given 9s consistently, and to the top-tier touring KGirls to whom I had given 9s as well. I suggested to her that I was an accurate rater, and that if she was as good as her reviews indicated she would get high scores from me just like they had. She then explained that she was a "TER Top 10" in Vegas, and she couldn't take the chance on getting a 7 or 8 because it might move her out of the Top 10. So, no date. I chalked it up to one her regulars wanting the time and I got dumped. I was really pissed.
Late that night she called me (first time we actually spoke on the phone; all prior communications were by email) and we discussed her situation. After a lengthy discussion she said I seemed like a nice guy and she offered that if I would agree in advance to give her 9s or better that she would see me either late that night or the next night. I refused, believing that it was unethical for her to demand certain scores in advance. She kept coming back to she couldn't risk falling out of the Top 10 because that drove her convention business. I told her I was uncomfortable with her demand for agreed scoring, and that I had other plans the next night, so I wished her well. She called me the next day and again wanted to schedule a date, but I was pissed that she had wasted my prior evening and I declined. I let her know I was really pissed that she waited until 3 hours before the date to tell me, and that I had no chance to find a top tier lady on such short notice.
After our date I occasionally checked her reviews to see how she was doing, and I wasn't surprised that her scores began to badly decline with the narrative being that she had gained a lot of weight and her level of service was going downhill. Within 6 months she was out of the Vegas Top 10, and she's now very far down the list. In retrospect, it looks like she did me a favor.
If they would just concentrate on delivering a session worthy of a 9 or 10, they will get the scores they want. 95% of guys are consistent and honest in their scoring, but the other 5% can ruin a girl's average with extortionate demands (discounts, off-menu services, etc.) so they get gun-shy about guys that may have a few lower review scores without regard to the reviewers consistency and whether the few low scores may have been well-deserved. As you stated in your example, she eventually went down anyway, but it was her own fault. Its tough to blame weight-gain on a bad review. The guys here that see both Kgirls and indies know that Indies often don't have the stamina to deliver their A-game on most every session like most of the Kgirls do.
Not tough to blame weight gain on the looks score when a few reviewers mentioned her weight gain and how she didn't resemble her pictures.
Instead of waiting till hours before your date.
The answer as to why she cancelled is simple: She got a better deal. End of story.
I agree, especially since one of my references was one of the 9/9 Vegas ladies and I know she checked that reference.
Who was this LV woman?
In which case I have no option but to report you to Rocket who I guarantee is going to give you an earful. And then I am going to be forced to agree with him.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that you are just guilty of sloppy writing once again. I can't honestly believe that you can support this kind of behavior from these manipulative hookers that NO ONE should be patronizing in the first place.
BTW This is EXACTLY why we need to get rid of the "top lists" on TER. They are the leading cause of review manipulation IMO
that kind of behavior." If you actually read his posts carefully, he simply said such behavior exists. Your suggesting he defends it is total "reading in" on your part. Which makes it hilarious when YOU accuse HIM of "sloppy writing" when it's you who are AGAIN guilty of sloppy reading. Give it a rest.
of sloppy reading comprehension. All I did was explain how it can happen from the POV of the providers who are concerned about their scores, based on conversations I have had with some indies over the years. You'll have to show me specifically where I even suggested that I'm okay with this type of behavior, much less defending it. I'm just giving info, that's it. You're not supposed to condemn the messenger just because you don't like the message.
BTW, I don't ever consult the "top lists" when choosing a provider to see. There are too many on those lists that try to manipulate reviewers to say what THEY want rather than what the reviewer wants.
Not calling out this type of review manipulation by these women when you mention it is the same as condoning it.
YES, it is a fact, but NO, we should not just accept it as fact without calling it out. Otherwise we might as well go to a 7-10 rating scale like you do.
You don't need to put your new wokeness on display with me. All I was doing was describing it. It is what it is whether we talk about it or not. I thought the info would be appreciated. Maybe I should withhold stuff like this and just let mongers get burned. Is THAT acceptable in your woke world?
Maybe you should withhold that kind of "stuff" and instead encourage guys to be honest in their reviews and to shun hookers that are constantly trying to manipulate both the system and the guys they fuck.
Yes, that would be acceptable in my woke world. It beats the fuck out of steering guys towards going on the "CDL scale) where even the worst appearance and/or service still rates a seven.
Below average. The SoCal guys that read my reviews and see the girls I review know that a 7 is a DNS. 10 numbers is too many to be consistent, and that can be proven over and over reading reviews. Ask most reviewers what is the difference between a 4 and a 5, or a 5 and a 6, and they can't tell you anything that is quantifiable and can be applied consistently. I can. For me a girl is Average (8), Below Average (7) or Above Average (9) and therefore my first ten reviews are consistent with my last ten even though there is nearly a six year time span.
Its enough to say a girl is "below average." There is no need to beat her up with a 4, which is the way to say the same thing on the 1-10 scale. The problem with a 4 is it lowers a 10 to a 7, and therefore carries too much power for ONE review. My system is accurate and consistent. As long as guys know how to read it, its a lot more help than scores that are all over the place. Accordingly, besides accuracy and consistency, my reviews are honest, and there are many posts on TER about me supporting honesty in reviews. Since you know how to do a search, I'll let you check and see if there is a single one where my position was to write reviews that are not honest. You're getting desperate and digging a hole for yourself that you will not be able to climb out of.
The big question is, why do you even give a fuck when you don't write reviews yourself? Do you see the irony in criticizing another reviewer when you don't have the confidence to write a single one yourself in 15+ years? That sounds like someone who doesn't think they can be accurate, consistent, or honest.
...2,999,999 use TER's scoring system but only YOU use your own scoring system.
You say: "The SoCal guys that read my reviews and see the girls I review know..." How many "SoCal guys" are there?
500, 1000? Let's say there are 10,000. That means you are deceiving the other 2,990,000 hobbyists on TER. Your reviews are supposed to be for EVERYONE on TER, not just the "SoCal guys."
Hobbyists are supposed to have each others' backs. Their loyalties should be to each other. That's why TER was created. But it's obvious from your scoring system and your posts that your loyalties clearly are with the hookers and bookers. You once said this:
"I don't go below 7 unless its a rip-off... Its enough for me to say a girl is below average by giving her a 7...There is no need to beat her up even more with a 5 or a 6...That's all I need to say for readers to get my point. THIS ALSO ALLOWS ME TO KEEP THE BOOKERS HAPPY..."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/the-one-thing-you-will-learn-----17641?frmSearch=1#17641
You've said many times that you don't give low scores because you don't want to hurt the K-girls' business. And you said above that you want "to keep the bookers happy." Clearly, you don't give a shit about your fellow hobbyists.
AFAIC, you should be banned from TER. At the very least, all your reviews should be either taken down or the scores adjusted to comply with TER's scoring system...not YOURS.
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you to understand, then you are welcome to NOT rely on my reviews the next time you see a Kgirl. Oh wait, YOU have never seen a Kgirl, have you? So why do you have your panties in a bunch over this?
Your false narrative that members are going to be flying from all over the world to see LA Kgirls just shows the level of dishonesty you have sunk to. If you don't like my system, which was designed to accommodate accuracy, consistency and honesty, then don't use it. That's WHO I am. Who are you with your two reviews in over 15 years? Now GFY.
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Full of shit doesn't quite do him justice.
It if the girl is what and does what she promises I give great scores. But if you don’t look anything like your pic and are rude and there strictly for the money and make it known. I will give a shitty score. Don’t false advertisement and get a good score. Pretty simple.
Your review scores run nearly the entire range of what TER allows, from 2 to 10. You have given a 3-2, a 5-2, a 5-5, 5-6 and so on. Your average seems to be about 7. Providers do not consider 7 a very good score, and they certainly don't want to take a chance that you will give them a 2, so its better in the long run to just pass on you. I have met several indies that will not see guys who give scores lower than 7, no matter what the reason. These girls rely on their TER review average to keep the customers coming, and a few low scores can bring that average down pretty quickly.
I've known a few girls that "question" me about that. But once I explain my situation and my reasons they get it and I have always met up with them. I can say that I've never been turned down. But I've been lucky and my situation is unique.
I don't know if there's a reason why you're in that "lane", be it financial or?? But don't let it get you down. Just be real with your limitation. If they want to see you, great, if not move on...don't sweat it out and don't take it personally, really..
Not a money issue a all but I feel anyone who wants 760 a hour and 1500 for 2 hours is just high priced. I get it I run my own business an products quality of work all matters in price. But I don’t over charge people. Was thinking she was the one I would try that higher grade out with. I follow her on Twitter and all so I didn’t think it been a problem
I've known a few girls that "question" me about that. But once I explain my situation and my reasons they get it and I have always met up with them. I can say that I've never been turned down. But I've been lucky and my situation is unique.
I don't know if there's a reason why you're in that "lane", be it financial or?? But don't let it get you down. Just be real with your limitation. If they want to see you, great, if not move on...don't sweat it out and don't take it personally, really..
About 4 years ago when I was new to this I had a provider refuse to see me because she said I seemed like a "player". At the time I only had about 8 okays on P411 and that's how she judged me. Oh well.
A girl that says stuff like that is only going to bitch and complain about anything and everything during the date.
I had a provider once call me out on the 15 okays I had gotten on P411 over the course of 10 years as being “a lot”. Coincidentally, she had twice as many reviews here than the total number I’d ever posted and in roughly half the amount of time. I let her know all of this and thanked her for canceling last minute as I could tell that I would’ve regretted wasting my time and money.
Provider’s set their own rules, of course. But, to ever call a client a player or even call them out on the number of reviews or okays they have is so hypocritical. I don’t care how low volume they supposedly are, 99.99% have seen more penis than the average doctor. Whether or not they are simply using it as an excuse to get out of date, in the end, the ones who conduct themselves this way are doing us a favor by cancelling.
at your review scores and decided to past. Perhaps the references/price point was just an excuse.
Not all of them are bad but there is enough low scoring there.
There are some ladies who will not provide references if you are not the same price point as them.
This is one of the reasons I prefer to screen gents other ways besides references because it is just getting to be too much drama.
Don't give me wrong there are some great ladies who provide references and some who do not.
When there is a pattern of low scores some ladies are not going to risk their business by seeing a guy with those kind of scores.
I don't do this I provide a reference to any lady who is reputable.
But I have now started to look at guy's reviews again especially if a guy gets PSE services more than likely he is not going to like me who is GFE. I wish I had I could've avoided a headache of a client who has no discretion recently who decided to write a not so good review for me.
Just my .02
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Nice to see you back on the boards. We need more providers to comment or post.
I just want to comment that a 5 or 6 score would be considered average. I got a score of 4/9 once. And I will admit I was kinda having an ugly moment but he could have as easily have given me a 5. A 4 is only if your drunk and a 5 is average. But that one little point goes from saying I was average to being insulting. And for someone who had such a great time I don't know why he would do that. He did call me again and I said "are you drunk?". Needless to say I don't want to see someone who is cruel. And it's not being dishonest. What's the difference between a 4 and 5 ?
I'm writing this because I know I am not a 4 or 5. I would say a 7 unless you are all about tits and that would pump it up to 9. But my performance is almost at the max of what TER allows me to get which is an 8. Or maybe it's 9.
And I do believe the guys on here rate looks hard. I have heard many act like a 7 is sum ugly gal. Granted you are paying money and deserve to see who you want but the looks rating is suppose to be realistic and not based on dreams.
You had me at tits........
Kidding, kind of. Looks are a very subjective thing. One man's beauty is another man's .....well you get my meaning.
It is my hope that many who participate can consider beauty as something beyond looks. Attitude, personality, good hygiene, good judgement help make a lady beautiful.
I have been with a few "beauties" who were hot on the outside, like Greenland on the inside.
I would be more likely to tell her go fuck herself.
You dodged a bullet. Consider yourself lucky. Spend your money on someone who is happy to see you.
How many times do we see posts and reviews bemoaning the sessions where the guy seems to have been willfully ignored all the signs saying it was likely not ending like he imaged the sessions or provider to be.
Who was it? PM me if you can.
a lady mentioning she will not give references if the other provider is not on her similar rate structure.
I had never heard of that before but I guess some do feel like that.
So OP it could very well be that who you reviewed/references rates are too low for her.
This is a new one for me I thought as long as a lady is reputable you provided a reference if you are ref friendly.
Guess times have changed. At least you were not charged for asking a lady to use her as a reference.
I recall a lady who used to live in Vegas implemented that policy. While her choice i thought it was pretty shitty to charge for a ref.
She wouldn't see one of my clients because he's seen me (I was 450hr at the time), client informed me of this.
Luckily I only know of one provider who does this.
My psychoanalysis: she was either
A) an outcast in high school, swanned up and is trying to make up for lost time.
OR
B) she was one of the popular/mean girls in high school, and now her adult life is dull and she's desperately trying to revive her glory days (because most adults don't find mean girls to be cool).
The only times I won't accept references is if the girl is retired or "under the radar" (little to no online presence), as long as I can verify she's a real provider I'll accept her reference.
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She believes that by declining, this increases the allure of her demand, and maybe at some point the gentleman would crave spending time with her more.....to the point he would pay more. If she pulled that crap with me, I would let her know in no uncertain terms that the supply greatly outweighs the demand.....Next!
that it is her body and she can do what she wants with it. She doesn't need to explain herself.
That sounds like an excuse to turn you down nicely or maybe you've used someone as a reference that is known to be a community risk ☹️
I feel like I'm constantly hearing something new that just seems so... perplexing.
Although there are other possibilities as to why the provider didn't see you, this seems to be a more regular occurrence and I can't seem to fathom why. Understandably so, references are not a full-proof way to vet a client. A client can treat providers differently (i.e.: bad behavior with one and not the others) but references are a valid form of harm reduction. And while I have seen a trend of some providers no longer accepting references as a part of screening, we have to acknowledge that not everyone has the capability and/or privilege to make that business decision.
Albeit unfortunate, I'd chalk it up to "their business, their rules". And while I can understand the desire and the urge to want to "convince" them to see you, it begs the rhetorical question: why would you want to see someone and spend your hard earned money on someone who doesn't want to see you and/or thinks lesser of you and the providers you see?
Maybe she didn’t like your classy choice of a screen name