Prediction + % confidence:
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1.) Fani and Wade will be disqualified from the case. 100%. The evidence of perjury is overwhelming.
2.) The case will be thrown out. 50%. It can be refiled after review by a new prosecution team.
3.) Fani and Wade will be disbarred. 25%.
4.) Fani and Wade will be prosecuted for perjury or other related crimes. 50%.
5.) Wade will drop Fani on her fanny since she is no longer useful to him. 100%.
Prediction + % confidence:
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1.) Fani and Wade will be disqualified from the case. 100%. The evidence of perjury is overwhelming.
2.) The case will be thrown out. 50%. It can be refiled after review by a new prosecution team.
3.) Fani and Wade will be disbarred. 25%.
4.) Fani and Wade will be prosecuted for perjury or other related crimes. 50%.
5.) Wade will drop Fani on her fanny since she is no longer useful to him. 100%.
2.) The case will be thrown out. 75%. It can be refiled after review by a new prosecution team.
3.) Fani and Wade will be disbarred. 50%.
4.) Fani and Wade will be prosecuted for perjury or other related crimes. 50%.
5.) Wade will drop Fani on her fanny since she is no longer useful to him. 100%. ---- THIS WILL HAPPEN!
They will at some point turn on each other 50%
Both will play the race card 100%
Both will Play the victim card 100%
Both will lie !000000000%
Fani already played the race and gender card a month ago.
The evidentiary hearing is HAPPENING!
will be President, what new prosecutor will want to take a career-ending case like this? The timeline starts over with the new case, so it would be almost impossible to get the case to trial before the election, at which time Trump could fire any Federal prosecutors still coming after him. The DOJ is under the control of the Executive Branch.
I'm going to have to retract the prediction that Wade will dump Fani. Turns out he already dumped her last year.
I'm going to have to retract the prediction that Wade will dump Fani. Turns out he already dumped her last year.
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄😂😂
This Fani thing is not a criminal trial. There is no "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard required. In a non-criminal case it is merely the preponderance of evidence. This case is even less stringent. The judge can disqualify merely on appearance. And that's what he will do.
...because you love to get your ass kicked on the boards.
To disqualify Fanl Willis, the indicted defendants have to prove an actual “conflict of interest,” not merely an “appearance of impropriety.” Thus far the defendants have not presented uncontroverted evidence that would support the existence of a conflict of interest.
I know why you're such a masochist on the boards. You're into domination/BDSM with hookers so you compensate on the boards by being a masochist:
"I'm into BDSM...many people wouldn't understand my domination BDSM kink."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/re-you-are-obsessed-with-what-others-do-with-their-money-1015349?page=
that the judge can disqualify Fani for the mere appearance of a conflict of interest
How do we know that- because that is what the judge said at the emergency hearing Monday. If he changed the standard after Monday, I did not see it. You are confusing a pretrial motion to disqualify with the standard for reversal of a criminal conviction for a conflict of interest. There an actual conflict is required.
Of more concern to me is - how did this woman get to be the DA? Leaving aside the appalling lack of judgment of sleeping with her lead prosecutor in this extraordinary high profile case and paying him back in cash, she seems to be clueless as to how to testify. You would think someone is her office would have prepped her to give short answers and never give meandering speeches like she did. The judge even warned her he would strike her testimony unless she behaved. And she had her dress on backwards! I have to count on this woman to convict Trump?
I don't think she had her dress on backward. There was too much boob room. They don't put extra material in the back of a dress for no reason. It would look like an empty potato sack. And you can't neatly pull the front material around to the back because it is constrained by the arm holes. That would cause the material around the arm holes to rotate up and that would cause folds radiating toward the center of the chest.
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That said, her demeanor on the stand was terrible. Juries/judges can take into account defensiveness etc when attempting to determine truthfulness. Juries/judges are always attempting to decide who is being honest on the stand. Because people lie all the time. It is one of the intangibles juries/judges face every day.
that the judge can disqualify Fani for the mere appearance of a conflict of interest
How do we know that- because that is what the judge said at the emergency hearing Monday. If he changed the standard after Monday, I did not see it. You are confusing a pretrial motion to disqualify with the standard for reversal of a criminal conviction for a conflict of interest. There an actual conflict is required.
Of more concern to me is - how did this woman get to be the DA? Leaving aside the appalling lack of judgment of sleeping with her lead prosecutor in this extraordinary high profile case and paying him back in cash, she seems to be clueless as to how to testify. You would think someone is her office would have prepped her to give short answers and never give meandering speeches like she did. The judge even warned her he would strike her testimony unless she behaved. And she had her dress on backwards!
* I have to count on this woman to convict Trump? *
You guys scream “stalker” when someone directly confronts you on your bullshit (which, let’s face it is ALOT!) but then Jabba wastes hours digging through the search function looking for anything to attack someone with.
Jabba, tread mill, now! 👉👉👉
He also doesn't understand the difference between a sadist and a masochist.
Apparently Wade and Fani exchanged 2000 voice calls, 12,000 text messages in 2021, with location data showing 35 visits by Wade to Fani, some indicating an overnight visit. This was all before Wade was hired by Fani. This indicates evidence of perjury since they both swore to the court that the affair started after Fani hired Wade.
Trump's legal team asked Mittelstadt to focus on two specific dates—Sept. 11-12, 2021, and Nov. 29-30, 2021.
According to Mittelstadt's report, Wade's phone arrived at the Hapeville address at 10:45 p.m. on Sept. 11 and remained there until 3:28 a.m. The records indicated that he sent a text to Willis after arriving home at 4:20 a.m.
On Nov. 29, 2021, Wade received a call from Willis at 11:32 p.m. at his East Cobb home. His phone then pinged off the tower near her home at 12:43 a.m., remaining at that location until 4:55 a.m.
Trump's legal team asked Mittelstadt to focus on two specific dates—Sept. 11-12, 2021, and Nov. 29-30, 2021.
According to Mittelstadt's report, Wade's phone arrived at the Hapeville address at 10:45 p.m. on Sept. 11 and remained there until 3:28 a.m. The records indicated that he sent a text to Willis after arriving home at 4:20 a.m.
On Nov. 29, 2021, Wade received a call from Willis at 11:32 p.m. at his East Cobb home. His phone then pinged off the tower near her home at 12:43 a.m., remaining at that location until 4:55 a.m.
remember Trump invited porn star Stormy Daniels to his hotel room but didn't have sex with her he says. So can't we believe they were just talking about the Bulldogs until 4:55 a.m.?
Works for me.
Whether they had sex or not, it looks like both of them have committed perjury.
If the DA's office says cellphone data is unreliable, I bet a shitload of convicted felons are going to ask for new trials in which cellphone data was used for convictions.
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That DA's office has to have a collective IQ lower than room temperature.
SOURCE????? You have misrepresented the DA's objection. There are differences between NOT RELIABLE and NOT EXAMINED BY A DA EXPERT and NOT LEGALLY OBTAINED and NOT LEGALLY ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE.
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http://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/should-not-be-considered-fani-willis-says-trump-filing-citing-cellphone-data-between-her-and-rico-case-special-prosecutor-violates-court-order-and-might-be-illegal/
‘Should not be considered’: Fani Willis says Trump filing citing cellphone data between her and RICO case special prosecutor violates court order and might be illegal
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"... Later on Friday, Willis sought to rubbish that filing as in violation of the court’s standing order on how evidence will be admitted in the case, the Georgia rules of evidence, and U.S. Supreme Court precedent. ... “The Court’s Standing Case Management Order for Criminal cases was specifically intended to prevent parties from ambushing opposing counsel with purported expert evidence without allowing opposing counsel a meaningful opportunity to review the evidence, review the purported expert’s report and qualifications, and obtain its own expert in rebuttal,” the state’s objection reads. “The Court cannot now allow Defendant Trump to bypass this protective procedure when, in other cases, it has excluded expert evidence for a party’s failure to follow the Standing Case Management Order for Criminal Cases.” ..."
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"... The investigator hired by Trump’s defense attorney also claims the data shows “specialized location data” for Wade’s cellphone number which puts him near Willis’ address on two days — during the early morning hours — in September and November 2021. ..." TWO DAYS!! Non-romantic booty calls? Visiting a Provider in the same vicinity?
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"... “Moreover, the State questions whether Defendant Trump legally obtained cell site location information, which is generally only obtainable after a finding of probable cause and issuance of a search warrant,” the district attorney’s office writes. ..." HOW DID "The investigator hired by Trump's defense atty" get the data???
If the DA's office says cellphone data is unreliable, I bet a shitload of convicted felons are going to ask for new trials in which cellphone data was used for convictions.
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That DA's office has to have a collective IQ lower than room temperature.
The DA has filed what we call a Daubert motion arguing and I think correctly that the Trump expert’s opinion testimony fails to meet the federal standards for admissibility that have been incorporated into Georgia law. They are not contending that cellphone data is per se unreliable but rather that this expert’s interpretation of the data is not sufficiently reliable to be admissible at trial. The problem of course is that this is a collateral proceeding rather than the type of proceeding on the merits where the judge has a gatekeeper role. On the other hand, a true Daubert treatment would take months and the judge wants to make his decision next week I suspect.
I think the last thing the judge wants is to get into a battle of the experts on the cell phone data, so I don’t think he will open this door. I think Fani and Wade should both resign and the governor should appoint Anna Cross to take over if he can do that. She has done most of the work anyway. We need to get this trial going. But the appearance of impropriety here just looks terrible.
1. What if the cell phone data was illegally obtained? (No warrant, etc.) Would it be admissable at all, with or w/o Daubert?
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2. I thought I read somewhere that if Willis is dismissed that the entire staff will also be dismissed from the case, effectively ending it. An entire replacement TEAM (with a new supervising DA replacement) would need many, many months to repeat a "clean" investigation, indictment, prosecution and probably not bother with it and just let it die.
The DA has filed what we call a Daubert motion arguing and I think correctly that the Trump expert’s opinion testimony fails to meet the federal standards for admissibility that have been incorporated into Georgia law. They are not contending that cellphone data is per se unreliable but rather that this expert’s interpretation of the data is not sufficiently reliable to be admissible at trial. The problem of course is that this is a collateral proceeding rather than the type of proceeding on the merits where the judge has a gatekeeper role. On the other hand, a true Daubert treatment would take months and the judge wants to make his decision next week I suspect.
I think the last thing the judge wants is to get into a battle of the experts on the cell phone data, so I don’t think he will open this door. I think Fani and Wade should both resign and the governor should appoint Anna Cross to take over if he can do that. She has done most of the work anyway. We need to get this trial going. But the appearance of impropriety here just looks terrible.
Wouldn’t that moot the motion to disqualify? Unless there is a statute somewhere that says if the DA resigns all prosecutions are paused until a DA from another county takes over who must decide to proceed, you would think the governor could simply appoint a temporary DA from her office. It makes no economic sense to force a DA from another county to suddenly double her workload. And I don’t see that the conflict of interest here would extend to Fani’s staff. But I certainly do not know.
If the cell phone data was obtained without a warrant – as surely must be true since neither the defense atty nor his expert is LE – I do not see that this matters. You do not need a warrant in civil cases to get cell phone data- you need a subpoena. The motion to disqualify is neither criminal or civil – kind of a little of both. So who the hell knows – I certainly do not.
The whole mess bolsters Trump’s assertion that this trial is nothing but a political witch hunt.
The stupid behavior of Willis is ZERO to do with the validity of the underlying charges. But you righty hacks love to obfuscate.
The stupid behavior of Willis is ZERO to do with the validity of the underlying charges. But you righty hacks love to obfuscate.
What is the underlying case against Trump based on?
Well wait… 🍿
PS there is actually an “US” in this situation.
But of course YOU will find this mob talk innocent. So how come rock-ribbed Republican Raffensberger didn't?
I'll just add this:
http://www.11alive.com/article/news/special-reports/ga-trump-investigation/georgia-2020-election-rico-case-who-has-taken-a-plea-deal/85-127cc78a-8dcf-483a-a188-46ee44c161ef
Who has taken a plea deal in the Georgia election RICO case so far?
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"... Chesebro, ... Ellis, ... Powell, ... (Scott) Hall ..."
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Are they all witches or is it two witches (Female) and two worlocks (Male)? If the case continues, I expect more witches and worlocks to plead out.
But of course YOU will find this mob talk innocent. So how come rock-ribbed Republican Raffensberger didn't?
After seeing these two fuck ups in action? I think going forward if the case isn’t dismissed outright, I actually want them to be the ones prosecuting this case. Yeah these two could fuck up a wet dream. Let ‘em at it! Trump will not be convicted with these two at the helm.
I'm kind of perplexed by the DA objection to obtaining call data records. Defense can issue subpoenas for such records, just like they can subpoena other relevant witnesses. It's not only the prosecution that can access data via subpoenas.
Wade's lawyer/friend must continue testimony in the proceeding to disqualify Willis. Testimony is to resume on Tuesday the 27th (I think it is this Tuesday and not next, not 100% sure.)
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Since he has already testified that he has no "personal knowledge" of the Wade/Willis affair it would be hard to imagine the judge having him come back to testify that he also had no "professional knowledge."
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And of course the fact that he already told the defense things about his knowledge of the Wade/Willis affair and so far the attorney client privilege claim was preventing it being entered as evidence..
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So the conclusion seems to be he will corroborate the other eye witness that the affair started in 2021 before Willis hired Wade, and therefore they both have committed perjury. At a minimum them, they are disqualified. Beyond that they might face personal legal repercussions. Ouch.
Turns out he developed complete amnesia. Couldn't remember anything. Couldn't remember if he lied. Couldn't recall why he "speculated" or what facts caused him to "speculate" in a certain way.
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So basically falling on the Sgt Schultz "I know nothing, I hear nothing, I see nothing!" excuse.
Lest we forget ...
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http://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-university-video-forgets-great-memory-boast_n_5f669400c5b6480e896ff8af
Trump Can't Recall Boasting He Has 'World's Best Memory' In Awkward Deposition Video
Infamous self-own captured on film during questioning over fraud accusations
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-family-takes-stand-angry-outbursts-memory-lapses-gotcha-moments-rcna124182
Trump family takes the stand: Angry outbursts, ****memory lapses**** and ‘gotcha’ moments from the civil fraud trial
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Did you see what I did there? "Lest we forget ...." about all of the Trump family lying in public and forgetting under oath.
Turns out he developed complete amnesia. Couldn't remember anything. Couldn't remember if he lied. Couldn't recall why he "speculated" or what facts caused him to "speculate" in a certain way.
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So basically falling on the Sgt Schultz "I know nothing, I hear nothing, I see nothing!" excuse.
In an interesting comment before final arguments, the judge says he may already have enough evidence to make a decision and is not sure he needs any more.
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To me, this indicates he either thinks there is no case against Willis, or he thinks the evidence is overwhelming against Willis. It seems to me it has to be the later. If he thought the defense hadn't produced enough evidence, he wouldn't preclude introducing more. On the other hand, if he already saw enough to disqualify Willis, he wouldn't need to pile on more.
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Also interesting is that prosecutor Anna Cross has disappeared from the case and they replaced her with Adam Abbate who was unimpressive today. Looks like Cross saw something in the DA case and decided it didn't pass the ethical smell test and she decided to bail. The whole DA office has their hands on defending Wade and Willis instead of defending the public's right to non-corrupt prosecutors. Anna Cross probably figured it out and resigned from the case.
Of course she may have had another trial or motion going on. Don't think you can jump to the conclusion she withdrew on ethical grounds.
A key issue here is whether an actual conflict of interest or the mere appearance is enough to disqualify. If the latter, I do not she how Fani survives. The State argued it must be an actual conflict of interest which implicitly concedes the appearance issue. To his credit, the judge recognized the distinction between post conviction motions to disqualify where an actual conflict is required and pre trial motions where it is not. If he changes his mind Trump has good grounds to appeal.
I've read legal opinions (commentaries) from both sides. Righties seem to think that Willis will be gone and the prosecution will come to a complete end, case dismissed. Lefties seem to think that there isn't enough evidence to remove Willis and that there is also a "harm to the defendents" threshhold that isn't met.
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I want to see this case go to trial, preferably with Willis (for speed), or with a replacement DA (said to likely result in an end to the case with no refiling).
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To repeat myself, there have already been 4 guilty pleas from the original group of defendents. That really seems to support the notion that others are also guilty of some or all (and then some!) of the charges.
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Righties complain a lot about people being released without bail or otherwise being allowed to walk for shoplifting or other petty (but real) criminal charges. The crimes alleged here are NOT petty and far more impactful on society. These defendents should have their day IN COURT.
In an interesting comment before final arguments, the judge says he may already have enough evidence to make a decision and is not sure he needs any more.
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To me, this indicates he either thinks there is no case against Willis, or he thinks the evidence is overwhelming against Willis. It seems to me it has to be the later. If he thought the defense hadn't produced enough evidence, he wouldn't preclude introducing more. On the other hand, if he already saw enough to disqualify Willis, he wouldn't need to pile on more.
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Also interesting is that prosecutor Anna Cross has disappeared from the case and they replaced her with Adam Abbate who was unimpressive today. Looks like Cross saw something in the DA case and decided it didn't pass the ethical smell test and she decided to bail. The whole DA office has their hands on defending Wade and Willis instead of defending the public's right to non-corrupt prosecutors. Anna Cross probably figured it out and resigned from the case.
How many criminals are going to try to appeal their convictions by Fani Willis now 🤔 ???
Wow.... when the tables are turned she sure gets defensive. She sure had no problems spouting off her smart ass mouth to questioning. That's usually what people do when their caught. They try and make the other guy the bad guy. So you want predictions, here's one. Her days as a DA are pretty much over. They will uncover a whole history of unethical doings. Folks, this wasn't a one off deal. She's a professional liar. She's been taking advantage of Fulton County funds for years. That ain't nothing new.
Also hope they are investigated charged with and tried for perjury. Seems like it should be an easy conviction.
BTW I see you got the knife out of your back. Good to see you back posting.
Hey I sure did!
And straight outta of the gate, first thread I replied to lasted only a day or 2. Someone "questionable" replied, someone else replied because his reply was "eyebrow raising"
POOFFFF...... post removed. Strange huh.
I also see you are laboring under your old delusions. I guess you have learned nothing. Which is what I expected.
Someone will have to tell mr double trouble that (let me think of the perfect words here...) his "feeble attempt" to post a gif of Moe, Larry or Curley failed as miserably as his attempt to explain anything without yelling LIE and BUT TRUMP.
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Her troubles are growing.
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That call to Bradley witnessed by a different county DA sounds a lot like telling a potential witness to not talk to anyone. Classic obstruction of justice. Fani really could end up in prison.
Yep. She has really stepped off in it. As I stated before, this ain't her first rodeo with unethical behavior. She's about to be exposed like no other. Her days of being a DA are numbered. The problem will now be, she's really about to turn up the "I was targeted because I'm black" excuse.
The article attached contains 2 very similar pictures of 2 female attorneys but 2 very different ethical policies.
Ashleigh Merchant laid out a strategic and truthful time line of events. She proved unethical behavior by Wilis, she kept her cool and was extremely professional throughout the hearings.
Fani Willis proved by her tone, poor attitude, lies, and unprofessional answers that she is nothing more than a lying theif who has done nothing good for Fulton County and furthermore has stolen from taxpayers. She has no business being, or ever been a DA for Fulton County. Her days on this gravy train are over.
She is a FINE representative of the democratic party. You folks should be honored to have her on your side. 🙄
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Will Nathan Wade be forced to pay back all this money if he’s removed from the case?
Hmm, if Fani did something illegit to pay him, that's probably on her, not on him. Unless he lied about hours worked, but that would be hard to prove. Right now Fani and Wade are potentially looking at staying in the graybar hotel, but not in adjoining rooms.
"She has a world of trouble whether she stays on this case or not...."