When it come to terms like GFE and PSE, the definitons can be varied and often vague. But in doing a bit of research traditionally the term PSE was a way to say "provides bbfs" without having to actually say it, and that PSE was actually no promise of "greek" or some other so called PSE characteristics.

Now is my research correct, or are my sources flawed in there thinking? I ,myself, think this might be accurate as often ladies who advertise PSE and GFE services charge upwards of double for the former.

As for ladies who provide BBFS and the gentleman who enjoy this service, the rumors are already out there, so no more hypocritical statements. Just go ahead and advertise/admit as much. Makes life so much easier for the entire community and would save those who are labeled inaccurately. And for those who "scorn" the BBFS community, all you do is push it deeper underground, and surround the situation with shame making any dangers even more serious. Adults are going to do as they chose and no safe sex lectures from you, I or any other experts will work unless they change their own minds.

Be Safe.

Kisses,
Vanica

I have always understood PSE as GFE plus greek.  I am not familiar with your definition of BBFS as PSE.  I would decline that offer if made (and it has happened a couple of times).

My .02

All such ads will be deleted. The term "PSE" is permitted, but it doesn't promise BBFS. Besides, what sane man or woman would want to participate in that risky behavior.

The lack of definition is an interesting aspect of the hobby.  For my part, when I read "PSE", I understand it to mean Greek and/or CIM.  I have never interpreted it to mean BBFS.

BBFS likely occurs, but open knowledge of it with respect to a given provider would likely serve to dive that provider's business down rather than serve as a rationale for charging double!

IMHO...

George

Vanica,
I don't think you found an accurate definition. From my understanding, PSE originally meant a session with a bonafide Porn Star.  No real requirements beyond that, but it would be reasonable to expect that their respective specialties on film would - at least in part - be on the table.  Some time later non-porn providers promised PSE, offering just that...the experience.  Offering the enthusiasm and vigor that you see on screen.

I agree with your Definition

my thoughts were always GFE plus Greek or CIM.  Not BBFS

to find out that there are some out there.  I have to admit that I was floored when I found out.  I had a lady admit it to me.  Why ?  I couldn't understand because she is very attractive and I'm sure any man would have been with her no matter what.  

I often refer clients to other ladies from a private group but at that point, I was not referring anybody to her.  Sorry if that sounds mean but so be it.  My choice, my service and my business just as it is hers.  

Also, if I find out that any gentlemen has engaged in this service, you won't be seeing me.  This is something I feel very strongly about and no amount of money is worth it to me.

As for the ladies that do, no harm intended toward you as a person.  We all have our own way of doing things and I think Vanica is right about bringing it out.  I think I would rather know.  

Only with best intentions,

Annabella    

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now you're really gonna get it !  * smile *  

Anyone expecting GFE to be part of PSE will most likely be dissapointed...unless your real-world girlfriends are porn stars.  They are two separate "experiences" entirely.

Also, those expecting either of experience to end with BBFS should re-assess their expectations.

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If everyone believed in truth-in-advertising maybe the definitions would mean something.  But the reality is, more times than not, providers will add acronyms so they can ask a higher rate...or, equally bad...without even knowing what they mean.

No disrespect meant to the good providers here...I'm not talking about you ladies...

PSE to me , means an off-the-hook sexual experience. Lots of extreme kissing and ripping each other's clothes off. Non-stop fucking in any position and making some new ones up. It means you talk dirty with each other. It means CIM is available, facials, DATY, rimming, DT, dildos and greek are all possibilities, but not necessities.
Wham, Bam, Thank you ma'am!

GFE is more of a sensual, emotional time. Kissing is softer. There may be cuddle time and talking. DATY, Massages, showering together, and building a GF type of relationship. (for an hour)
See you next time sweetie!

...and sometimes, if you're lucky, you run into a PSGFE...

I have to agree that George's definition is what I think makes a "PSE" experience. I don't ever think of it as BBFS. I even see pornstars using condoms in their full service scenes at times.

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You must remember, some guys are married and BB with their wife, others are single and go out and pick up girls and go BB, or have a GF or GFs, etc... personally, I may not refer a gentleman to the lady in question (or someone I think may have participated in BBFS), but I would not avoid seeing a guy who has seen her.  Same way I wouldn't avoid a guy who has seen a trans.  

Fact of the matter is, I doubt that any of the guys I see would participate in BBFS, and if they would, they have probably already done so without disclosing it.  On the one hand you are saying be open about it, on the other you are saying, I won't see guys who have seen her... a little contradicting - no?

xoxox
Anik

And yes , I say be open about it so I know or anybody for that matter.  If I know .. then I can choose to see them or not.

This is just my personal hangup.      

Look .... I'm not trying to open a can of worms here, we all know the risks.  But like I said, it's my choice and you have yours.  Doesn't mean anyone will stop seeing either one of us or that one is better than the other.  We all have our own reasons.  Mine are mine and if it sounds contradicting, I can't change it.  I think the gentlemen that have known me for the last three years know me well enough to know what I mean and where I'm coming from.  

No, I'm not being judgemental here and I wouldn't turn anybody away either because of their sexual preference.  Please, who are we to judge each other.  I just hope and wish for all of us to play it safe.  

Take care sweet lady.

Always,

Annabella











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Is not PSE, it is real PS. That means regular and frequent testing. "Our" community usually doesn't require, or even ask if you are carrying certification. BBFS is a "trust your life" adventure, or if your diseased- a "fuck the world too" situation. I would be quite hesitant of a provider who advertised BBFS and/or BB Greek.

Hmm, an acurate means to detect it instantly would work for most and prevent the spread. But I'm also for the cure-all.

Just pointing out that many will not disclose this information because there will be judgements from both sides... c'est la vie.  Personally, I don't want to know other peoples stuff... I will focus on what I do, and being the best I can be at it!

xoxox
Anik

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The terminology seems to mean so many things that it means very little.  I stick to the reviews to anticipate the level of service I'll receive (my plug for VIP), a provider recommended by another escort I have seen, and some times the reputation of an agency.

Vanica, I've only been seeing you lovely ladies for a little while.  Ever since I took the plunge PSE has only ever meant specific acts or attitude, but your thinking may be correct - I am just not certain of the history.

Yeah!
I think PSE means a 'romp' with wanton abandonment.  Gloves off...anything on the table...anything is a possibility...'gird your loins' SEX!
GFE...has loose boundaries and has been defined.
PSE really needs no definition.
I guess this agrees with Balto's thoughts.

...what are we talking about? Does it involve a bucket?